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Hi all,
Basically I would like to buy a second hand G1 seeing as the price has come down to a reasonable level recently. But I am very worried about being duped into buying a fake one, as the fake one - CECT G1, looks exactly like the real one even down to the box.
So let's say if I am buying from eBay, what should I look for to distinguish whether a particular G1 is real or fake?
Suggestions welcome.
Many thanks.
wywywywy said:
Hi all,
Basically I would like to buy a second hand G1 seeing as the price has come down to a reasonable level recently. But I am very worried about being duped into buying a fake one, as the fake one - CECT G1, looks exactly like the real one even down to the box.
So let's say if I am buying from eBay, what should I look for to distinguish whether a particular G1 is real or fake?
Suggestions welcome.
Many thanks.
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usually when you're buying from ebay you can trust a seller with good rep. if they say it's genuine, then 9.7 times out of 10 it is. Just make sure you ask if it's genuine and not the cect rip off one. If you some how get a fake and you have documentation that they verified it was real you can always dispute. I don't think there is any way to tell its fake if someone over ebay is really malicious and wants to sell you a fake as a real. you can't hold the device until you get it and they can tell you whatever you want. As for purchasing in person, I've never seen a fake G1 so who knows how close it is to the real deal. And as always, if the price is too good to be true, it usually is a fakey. just my 2 centavos.
Ive seen 1 CECT G1, it was a young gentleman in my tmobile store...
The first thing I noticed was the camera isnt under the shield inside the cover, its positioned right above it in the corner...
Also, NO SLIDING KEYBOARD.and the theme they use sucks...
Other than those obvious things...looked like a legit g1 until he showed me it couldnt slide....
I wonder if they are able to be rooted....and have roms put on them...I probably would buy one just to be able to Test roms with.
Oh wow, didn't know the fake one doesn't have a keyboard.
That would be a good tell-tale sign!
jaboswell said:
Ive seen 1 CECT G1, it was a young gentleman in my tmobile store...
The first thing I noticed was the camera isnt under the shield inside the cover, its positioned right above it in the corner...
Also, NO SLIDING KEYBOARD.and the theme they use sucks...
Other than those obvious things...looked like a legit g1 until he showed me it couldnt slide....
I wonder if they are able to be rooted....and have roms put on them...I probably would buy one just to be able to Test roms with.
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Oh well, sometimes the fake phones out of china are more advanced and developed..like those with the 2 sim card slots, Tv/FM radio, touch screen, (come with 2 batteries), GPS, WiFi, BT, full qwerty and also a slider, etc, etc...no clue what OS is on those though. But I wouldnt mind a bootleg G1 with dual Sim cards, dual Micro SDHC, a Digital tuner for HDTV, etc, etc if it could still use our Roms =) and had the slide out keyboard. Would probably have a more advanced processor too.
It is funny though that they would not add the full keyboard and just make it look like it. Seems like they went to more trouble than it was worth. They could have just Bootlegged the Magic or Sapphire and not worry about a keyboard at all.
Engadget did an article on this kirf phone. It isn't even running Android, so good luck putting ROMS on it.
Here is a link to a kirf phone that will supposedly have a genuine Android OS.
Here is the article talking about the fake G1 and fake Android OS
the fake android phones run an os called nucleus os which is basically a phone os for mtk processors that sells for $15,000 for unlimited licensing. cheap when you're making hundreds of thousands of handsets and putting the same os on all of them. the os is skinnable, and it's responsible for all your fake chinese ipod, iphone, android, and almost anything with a touchscreen coming from china.
One would ask, why fake android if android is open source? well, android is a fatty. while nucleus os might fit in a 32mb nand, you can't cram android (an usable one anyway) in anything less than 64mb nand. most of those phone's mtk processors come with built-in storage, and nucleus happens to fit in them, so the maker saves money by using less components (i've had a few of those phones, you open them, and there's hardly anything in those pcbs), really, those phones cost about 30 dollards to make (maybe less) and they sell them for 100-200, that's a profit right there.
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android /system requires at least 64 mb memory (and that's removing some apks), i forgot to mention you still need /boot, /data, and other folders, so anything less that 128mb nand wont do
jubeh said:
the fake android phones run an os called nucleus os which is basically a phone os for mtk processors that sells for $15,000 for unlimited licensing. cheap when you're making hundreds of thousands of handsets and putting the same os on all of them. the os is skinnable, and it's responsible for all your fake chinese ipod, iphone, android, and almost anything with a touchscreen coming from china.
One would ask, why fake android if android is open source? well, android is a fatty. while nucleus os might fit in a 32mb nand, you can't cram android (an usable one anyway) in anything less than 64mb nand. most of those phone's mtk processors come with built-in storage, and nucleus happens to fit in them, so the maker saves money by using less components (i've had a few of those phones, you open them, and there's hardly anything in those pcbs), really, those phones cost about 30 dollards to make (maybe less) and they sell them for 100-200, that's a profit right there.
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android /system requires at least 64 mb memory (and that's removing some apks), i forgot to mention you still need /boot, /data, and other folders, so anything less that 128mb nand wont do
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+1000 points to you, sir.
lol look through the specs
http://g1-clone-phone-review.com/
In terms of the screen, the G1 has a better screen resolution while the CECT G1 has a higher color depth. It even has an FM radio, stereo bluetooth as a standard and more... maybe the G1 could learn a few things from this look a like.
You guys should look through this site...
http://www.china-mobile-phone.com/
Also, mods, I am not advertising nor endorse this site, in fact I encourage no one to purchase these kinds of phones. They are not certified and are potentially even dangerous. Please just look through it for your pleasure
I mean, seeing some of those phones even tempts me to buy them. They have Wi-Fi, bluetooth, FM radios, TV tuners, TV outs, actual cameras with optical zoom (Click on Zoomer lense on the side to see them, they are actually pretty cool looking.) However, if only it would be possible to put our own operating system on them. The current ones are well, very ugly and simple. Basically, the phones hardware has a lot of potential...
Also to add, my friend actually has one of these phones, it has a 3 inch touch screen, 3 MP camera, dual sim card, etc. It looked pretty cool, the screen was decent, resolution was bit low at 320x240, but that is because I have been spoiled by the screen on my G1. However, now everytime even if the phone is just dropped from a small height, it shuts off. So I guess you get what you pay for? They look cool without a doubt though... maybe for those people who are on a tight budget but still need a more than typical functioning device.
Some very interesting insight there Jubeh.
Do you work in this industry?
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Funny you say that SolemnWishing, because one of the reasons I didn't go for a G1 in the first place was the resolution. It is way too low compared to my Diamond and Diamond2 >__<
Yup I too have heard that the fakes have no Keyboaard so I made sure I took pics of Mine with the keyboard out when I listed it - If you are looking and want a rooted one, check my sig but only til Monday evening...
Dayzee xxx
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lol look through the specs
In terms of the screen, the G1 has a better screen resolution while the CECT G1 has a higher color depth. It even has an FM radio, stereo bluetooth as a standard and more... maybe the G1 could learn a few things from this look a like.
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Are you kidding me? That thickness for those specs is ridiculous. The extra thickness is in the KEYBOARD, if that's gone then it's not hard to put those features into the body. If you have to wire the keyboard in it suddenly gets much harder. 17.1mm and the large body is horrible. THE TOUCH PRO 2 has that thickness... AND it has a CURVED back in order to make it feel SMALLER in hand.
//Just trying to get my point across, no offense.
OP, the chances that you get scammed by a reputed seller is very little. I really don't think it is something to worry about so much. Also notice that the trackball on the CECT doesn't have the same texture as the original.
If there was a way to install APK's on this clone, I would absolutely buy one. I would use it to play around with and try to mod. I bought an ADP because I knew I would be too chicken **** to mod a $300 phone.
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Some very interesting insight there Jubeh.
Do you work in this industry?
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Funny you say that SolemnWishing, because one of the reasons I didn't go for a G1 in the first place was the resolution. It is way too low compared to my Diamond and Diamond2 >__<
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Well, the G1's resolution when scaled down to the size of the screen if very very average, and the color depth is just flat out disappointing. Look at the new Sidekick LX's with a screen with 850 x 480 pixel resolution, that just blows the G1 away. And one thing I have noticed about the screen on the G1, when looking at pictures, the colors just don't feel alive. They don't feel vivid or bright or saturated enough. I have a Sony Ericsson w580i, your basic slide phone, and the colors are way better looking on that.
i think the HD2 is an amazing piece of hardware and its clearly better than any other competing product in the coming few months. i do however hate a few things about it:
1-the lack of front camera for 3G video calls. while i may not care a lot about video calls i imagine that many will be missing it.
2-i see no point of releasing a separate delayed hardware revision for US market. especially when you consider that the rest of the world version lacks the front camera just like every other US phone. the Acer F1(another 1 GHZ 3G phone) has been available for a while and it supports US 3G bands on the same hardware and it even has the front camera.
3- considering that its the best multimedia phone made by HTC, its lacking the TV-out and the FM-Radio transmitter and better camera(all of which are supported by the N97)
4- the included 512MB ROM is a joke. i know that it can be expanded with SD card. but extra flash on the device is always useful. the 1.5 year old Omnia had 8/16/24BG+microSD why cant this have it. adding 8 or 16 GB flash costs HTC almost nothing to add
5-lack of stylus: HTC patented the capacitive stylus but they didnt use it. i know the the screen is big enough to be very finger friendly. but its still windows mobile and some applications work need stylus (for example Pocket artist).
6- lack of hardware buttons (especially camera). i wish the added 2 or 3 buttons on the empty sides. WM will always make use of the hardware buttons
7-despite the very high specs, its still less than the minimum Windows mobile7 specs (which requires Tegra level graphics performance acceleration and bigger than integrated storage ) which means that it will not be
upgradeable to wm7.
8-i dont understand the 320+128MB. the dedicated 128MB for the low performing graphics chip seems pointless to me. if they are going to put all this memory there why didnt they allocate it to program memory.
9- i really love how HTC managed to make the device reasonably small considering the huge 4.3" screen. i still think that its physically too big for many people. the HD was not very pocket friendly and this one is even bigger. i wish the screen was 4.0" or even 3.8". considering their recent improved and more efficient designs, im sure HTC would have been able to even make it friendly for one hand use with a smaller screen.
10- im not too big on the new standard micro-USB connector. they should have at lest included the hard to find mini-USB to micro-USB adapter with it. everybody already has several mini-USB cables/chargers but ive never actually seen a micro USB yet.
11- they increased up the specs (and power usage i would assume) significantly from the first HD but they reduced the battery size from 1350 to 1250mah!!!. luckily the early reports are suggesting "acceptable" battery life
Only thing missing for me on the device is a decent camera. I don't mean HTC standard... I mean the best of Nokia, Samsung & Sony Ericsson. The original HD took terrible pictures and videos. I don't think there is much improvement in this area from previews and videos.
TV-Out would of been great but sadly missing.
I don't care about front camera because I hardly ever use video call.
It's probably more of a business centric device but with such a large screen it could have so easily been the ultimate work and pleasure phone.
I'm leaning towards the Nokia N900 (Linux) but still undecided.
Just some thoughts for your annoyances! (I currently own an Omnia too)
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1-the lack of front camera for 3G video calls. while i may not care a lot about video calls i imagine that many will be missing it.
3G has been around for a while with a front video camera, but I can truly say that I don't know a single person that actually uses it. It's a gimmick IMO.
2-i see no point of releasing a separate delayed hardware revision for US market. especially when you consider that the rest of the world version lacks the front camera just like every other US phone. the Acer F1(another 1 GHZ 3G phone) has been available for a while and it supports US 3G bands on the same hardware and it even has the front camera.
I don't see the point either - bit silly if you ask me.
3- considering that its the best multimedia phone made by HTC, its lacking the TV-out and the FM-Radio transmitter and better camera(all of which are supported by the N97)
FM what? It still bedazzles me that people listen to FM radio these days. Surely most people have unlimited internet now and like I just use internet radio. More stations! As for the TV-out, again, I don't see the point really. Personally I use my netbook/laptop/pc for plugging into a tv since they can play HD. I supposed it would be nice if you want to show off photos to friends but then we all have facebook these days anyway For me, not a sore exclusion.
4- the included 512MB ROM is a joke. i know that it can be expanded with SD card. but extra flash on the device is always useful. the 1.5 year old Omnia had 8/16/24BG+microSD why cant this have it. adding 8 or 16 GB flash costs HTC almost nothing to add
I love the additional 8GB of the Omnia, but I guess they have to keep costs down somewhere. I have a 16GB micro SD, but when are 24/32 going to be available? Anyone know?
5-lack of stylus: HTC patented the capacitive stylus but they didnt use it. i know the the screen is big enough to be very finger friendly. but its still windows mobile and some applications work need stylus (for example Pocket artist).
I think you can still use a stylus but you have to set it up to do so (I saw it in another post on here).
6- lack of hardware buttons (especially camera). i wish the added 2 or 3 buttons on the empty sides. WM will always make use of the hardware buttons
There is no excuse for extra buttons down the side, although it makes it a bit more sleek I guess. But it's not like it doesn't take photos, it's just a useablitly thing.
7-despite the very high specs, its still less than the minimum Windows mobile7 specs (which requires Tegra level graphics performance acceleration) which means that it will not be
upgradeable to wm7.
I'm not sure that's right is it? In that original Leo thread in the main board, wasn't it confirmed that it will be upgradable? I think it's remains a bit of an unknown at the moment. That said, will wm7 be complete in 12 months? Given M$'s history of keeping to their planned dates, I doubt it. I think cookers will make it happen anyway and if not, in 12 months it will be upgrade time. Did someone say HD3?!
8-i dont understand the 320+128MB. the dedicated 128MB for the low performing graphics chip seems pointless to me. if they are going to put all this memory there why didnt they allocate it to program memory.
This one I have no idea about. Maybe they have something clever up their sleeves?
9- i really love how HTC managed to make the device reasonably small considering the huge 4.3" screen. i still think that its physically too big for many people. the HD was not very pocket friendly and this one is even bigger. i wish the screen was 4.0" or even 3.8". considering their recent improved and more efficient designs, im sure HTC would have been able to even make it friendly for one hand use with a smaller screen.
Well lets look at the iPhone. It's a huge seller. The HD2 is only a couple of mm's wider and taller so I don't see anyone is going to see it as an issue when they put it in their hands.
10- im not too big on the micro-USB connector. they should have at lest included the hard to find mini-USB adapter with it. everybody already has several mini-USB cables/chargers but ive never actually seen a micro USB yet.
I totally disagree here. It's the new universal format. You won't have seen many yet because devices are JUST beginning to emerge with it (ie Omnia 2). Already it's working because Samsung usually have their own proprietary connector so to see them go universal is a fantastic step in the right direction. It would be blind of HTC not to follow. So yes, bin those old Mini-USB
11- they increased up the specs (and power usage i would assume) significantly from the first HD but they reduced the battery size from 1350 to 1250mah!!!. luckily the early reports are suggesting "acceptable" battery life
I really hope it can last at least one full day of decent usage without the requirement of a charge. Surely they wouldn't make this wonderful device then shoot themselves in the foot??
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Anyway some good points there!
7-despite the very high specs, its still less than the minimum Windows mobile7 specs (which requires Tegra level graphics performance acceleration) which means that it will not be
upgradeable to wm7
I'm not sure that's right is it? In that original Leo thread in the main board, wasn't it confirmed that it will be upgradable? I think it's remains a bit of an unknown at the moment. That said, will wm7 be complete in 12 months? Given M$'s history of keeping to their planned dates, I doubt it. I think cookers will make it happen anyway and if not, in 12 months it will be upgrade time. Did someone say HD3?!
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It is very likely WM7 will be out by mid to late next year. WM8 is already being discussed as I understand it and WM6 and 6.5 have been universally panned (and quite rightly).
So if you purchase the HD2 assuming it will be out of date in less than 10 months then all well but I suspect many will not be happy (including me). I don't mind spending extra bucks now to avoid doubling my investment by having to purchase two devices in the space of 10 months!
Do you have the link to the original "in the original Leo thread in the main board, wasn't it confirmed that it will be upgradable? "
add this to the list:
1. lack of full-fledged graphics drivers (3D)
2. lack of d-pad; or trackball like blackberrys
1) Front Camera - most people don't use them so not a big deal
2) Buy the Acer if you like it (have fun)
3) it has got an FM Radio onboard I believe
4) Memory could be better but its got an SD card so just by a 16gb card.
5) The point is you don't need a stylus - am I missing something. If you wannt a Stylus get an Omnia 2
6) The camera button could have been useful - but nobody knows if one of the front buttons cannot be used. Shall we wait till its been reviewed fully before we slag it off.
7) Its been clearly stated that the specs do not say "Tegra" only. Thats just not true. Makes me laugh that a phone with great 3d potential and dedicated memory like the HD2 is being slagged off for no reason.
8) The screen size is the best part of the phone - it can be used to watch video, surf the net, etc. So it has to be big to fit the screen - not an issue.
9) Micro-USB!! - You mean the defacto standard now.
10) Nobody knows about battery life yet so lets hold fire.
Why are you interested in the phone if non of its main selling points you like?
because despite its "limitations" its still a lot better than the rest now.
take a chill pill dude and try to tone-down the fanboiasm. our nitpicking will make it very easy for HTC to make the HD3 a better device. also by highlighting them so early in its life, it will make easy easy for its users to deal with its potential issues
Teneka_Khan said:
1) Front Camera - most people don't use them so not a big deal
2) Buy the Acer if you like it (have fun)
3) it has got an FM Radio onboard I believe
4) Memory could be better but its got an SD card so just by a 16gb card.
5) The point is you don't need a stylus - am I missing something. If you wannt a Stylus get an Omnia 2
6) The camera button could have been useful - but nobody knows if one of the front buttons cannot be used. Shall we wait till its been reviewed fully before we slag it off.
7) Its been clearly stated that the specs do not say "Tegra" only. Thats just not true. Makes me laugh that a phone with great 3d potential and dedicated memory like the HD2 is being slagged off for no reason.
8) The screen size is the best part of the phone - it can be used to watch video, surf the net, etc. So it has to be big to fit the screen - not an issue.
9) Micro-USB!! - You mean the defacto standard now.
10) Nobody knows about battery life yet so lets hold fire.
Why are you interested in the phone if non of its main selling points you like?
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I haved discovered that it does support WM7http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7528 states
(QCOM 8k, Nvidia “Tegra” AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Qualcomm 8k = Snapdragon's QSD8xxx-series chips = Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250 (which is in the Leo).. so the processor should meet WM7 chassis 1 requirement.
To answer the FM radio question - the answer is YES
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_hd2-2957.php
I agree with the comments above. There is no such thing as a perfect device but you have got to congratulate HTC on the HD2 being one of the closest to it.
alecs said:
I haved discovered that it does support WM7http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7528 states
(QCOM 8k, Nvidia “Tegra” AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Qualcomm 8k = Snapdragon's QSD8xxx-series chips = Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250 (which is in the Leo).. so the processor should meet WM7 chassis 1 requirement.
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The processor does, but the Chassis 1 spec also specifies at least 1GB of flash (and at least 512mb fast flash).
The HD2 only comes with 512mb internal memory.
Sc4Freak said:
The processor does, but the Chassis 1 spec also specifies at least 1GB of flash (and at least 512mb fast flash).
The HD2 only comes with 512mb internal memory.
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By 1GB of flash I believe that means available storage i.e. an SD card
Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)
I am not sure what fast flash means but these are minumum specs and doesn't mean the device can't run WM7, it may just lag in certain spots though somehow I doubt this thing will lag even on WM7
Is the specified 65k for the screen a hardware or software limitation? I know Windows Mobile 6.5 only supports 65k effective colors, but when WM 7 launches would the device be able to display more colors?
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Is the specified 65k for the screen a hardware or software limitation? I know Windows Mobile 6.5 only supports 65k effective colors, but when WM 7 launches would the device be able to display more colors?
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sure it does . they dont make "65K color display" !
Most mobile phone LCD screens are 262K colours (18-bit). (This includes many of the displays used on phones that are advertised as supporting 24-bit colour.)
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sure it does . they dont make "65K color display" !
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But does anyone know the actual maximum bit-depth of the display?
The GRIZZ said:
3- considering that its the best multimedia phone made by HTC, its lacking the TV-out and the FM-Radio transmitter and better camera(all of which are supported by the N97)
FM what? It still bedazzles me that people listen to FM radio these days. Surely most people have unlimited internet now and like I just use internet radio. More stations! As for the TV-out, again, I don't see the point really. Personally I use my netbook/laptop/pc for plugging into a tv since they can play HD. I supposed it would be nice if you want to show off photos to friends but then we all have facebook these days anyway For me, not a sore exclusion.
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Dude theres a difference between FM Receiver and FM Transmitter. A FM Transmitter is important for those who own a car. The FM Transmitter can be used to transmit Music at a certain frequency which can be tuned to in the car using the Cars FM Radio!
The HD2 already has a FM Receiver. It might also support FM Transmission capabilities but that depends on which chip its using.
Video Out is certainly a welcome addon. Showing off Photos on a LCD is way better than telling them to login to Facebook! I for one will surely miss the TV Out.
Inspite of that, I consider these two features to be of very less importance when compared to the other feature set. This is the THE KILLER phone everyone was waiting for!
Prefer Touch HD over HD2
I agree with Grizzly on almost every point he's been making so far. Before I catch the flames too I shall start with a story...
My HP iPAQ was stolen from a payphone booth within one minute where I forgot it at an airport a year ago. This was my first real PDA and I was extraordinarily disappointed. I had racked up a lot of apps on it and and had even made the home screen sexy and easy to use with a few mods. Going from interfacing my custom cycles with the PCR machine (lab work) to playing old favourites like SimCity 2000 in lectures was great!
The next thing I obviously wanted was a PDA PHONE, so I didn't have to use a payphone booth again... so I got the Touch HD when it just came out in Oz from Telstra (who still sell it for $1500 - 215% markup). And it was absolutely perfect. Did everything, well supported by the community, and using it as a phone and an organizer that synced with outlook it worked a charm. Then last month getting a taxi back from the pub, I was left at a busway because the taxi driver who was fresh from India could not find my home as it wasn't on the GPS. Calling another taxi I got mugged for it while I was using it, snatched it from my hand. So now I was faced with having to get a new phone.
I have bought a Touch HD again. You see, the HD2 as fantastic as it is, is half way between being a traditional WM phone and an Android phone. Without the use of a stylus, how can you hand write down meeting notes? How can I use all my legacy games and applications? What's the point of having something a little zippier when the new manilla (which is a bit too busy) is going to be hacked onto the Touch HD anyway and it doesn't have the Tegra for true gaming pwnage or audiophile quality audio or a true camera replacement camera? Also the lack of 3G camera ticks me off too. I can't video call my parents in NZ which although is horrendously expensive, I enjoy doing on birthdays and so on - on special occasions we're often away from our computers.
What I am going to do is stick with my tried and tested HD and see if the HD2 has any advantage over the Dragon before I upgrade. Or even other non-HTC devices (god forbid) should they provide Audio/Graphics advantages. Because really the point of this thing is to replace the need to carry around other devices. Otherwise just get something that is only a phone, right?
I just found this vid, shows the games on it and well there is only 1 teeter! How could they cut solitaire and bubble breaker! What am i gonna waste time with now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntZQ0iXzyvc&feature=player_embedded
Its @ about 2:45
THE GRIZZ said:
our nitpicking will make it very easy for HTC to make the HD3 a better device.
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Very much so. HTC an enormous international company dedicated to producing a whole range of phones and mobile devices needs listen to random forum posters who can't even get their facts straight.
I'd like to take the opportunity to thank you for helping make the HD3 into the perfect device, derailing HTC's initial plans of improving the phone by removing the screen entirely and replacing it with a bar of soap. Your factual inaccuracies are making the mobile world a better place.
Since there is no dedicated off/on hardware ringer switch, is there a way to silence the phone while it is locked?
the volume rocker is normally used for something like that
mr_Ray said:
Very much so. HTC an enormous international company dedicated to producing a whole range of phones and mobile devices needs listen to random forum posters who can't even get their facts straight.
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Please spare us your fan-boyish drivel. What I mentioned in the OP are all valid concerns
Andy Rubin said Honeycomb has onscreen buttons.
Do you think we will quit using the capacitive buttons once updated? Will they stop illuminating?
We would save battery from them not lighting and the lack of haptic feedback.
Thoughts?
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AndroidZ28 said:
Andy Rubin said Honeycomb has onscreen buttons.
Do you think we will quit using the capacitive buttons once updated? Will they stop illuminating?
We would save battery from them not lighting and the lack of haptic feedback.
Thoughts?
Sent from my Nexus S
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It all depends on how it is implemented, and haptic feedback will never go away, haptic feedback isnt just for capacitive buttons.
and the LEDs from the buttons dont even use much power
I thought that Andy Rubin said that was only implying for tablets since they have more space for a dedicated taskbar.
I know all haptic would not go away, I meant just for the keys. Taking away some vibrations and leds would help battery some...
Also there are some people who have capacitive button issues but don't want to exchange the phone because nothing else is wrong - they wouldn't have to!
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I personally doubt that many would quit, especially on mobiles. Tablets, yes (for instance if the Galaxy Tab recieved Honeycomb), but due to the relative small size of mobile displays, I imagine having the capacitive buttons would be useful. And I doubt it would save much battery, but then again I don't know how much they use in the first place.
Maybe the onscreen buttons will only be for tablets? Who knows...
I think the Nexus would look good with nothing lit up at the bottom.
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honeycomb has on screen buttons for the tablets only. There are two variations of honeycomb, one for phones and one for tablets.
The tablet version has a black bar on the bottom that has all the buttons that the phones normally have, and more. It moves around depending on the orientation of the screen, this was done so that no matter what way you hold the device you always have easy access to the buttons.
On the phones thats useless since all phones have the buttons on them, not to mention it would take up a good amount of screen space and lead to possible burn in issues if the buttons are always there.
Anyone see this news about Honeycomb - requires Dual Core?
Hi - Just came across 2 articles (PhoneDog and original source PCMag), that Honeycomb requires dual core - if so, won't this hurt us NS owners (or any single core Android phones)?
I get that these articles are talking about tablets, but just wondered of Google was planning to create a light (lack of a better term) version for phones? Sorry, don't know much about how this all works, so I wasn't sure if the same OS on tablets, would also be the same one we get on phones.
PhoneDog:
http://www.phonedog.com/2011/01/03/rumor-honeycomb-requires-a-dual-core-processor-high-res-display/
PCMag:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2375016,00.asp
Lies! ... all lies
They start these rumors every single time about a future OS coming out...
PCMAG:
Google's new Android Honeycomb tablet OS will require a dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 processor to run properly, said Bobby Cha, managing director of Korean consumer electronics firm Enspert.
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They're just rumors.. I highly doubt that this is true. There are no evidence to back this up, it is just some "analyst" who think he knows what he's talking about.
That's like saying the next Windows will drop support for Dual Core CPUs and only support Quad and above. It isn't realistic.
Obviously not true, that isn't Google's way of working.
remember the whole gingerbread requiring 1ghz processor..yea, that was BS
Whew! Thank you guys - now I don't have to return my baby!
Every article/rumor is saying "Honeycomb tablet OS." Nothing about the phone version. So it could be true for tablets, but I highly doubt it'll be true for phones. Not yet anyways.
oke,here is some logical sense
honeycomb is getting optimized for tablet's 'Hmm?
all the new Tablet's in the future are already getting nvidia dual core chip thingy. 'hmm?
a tablet has a bigger screen.
if you put a 30 inch screen on a windows xp single core machine and play games on it. 'Hmm?
what happens?
yes. it will run slower :3
so i am guessing.
because of the big screens on tablets,the tablets need dual core.
so assume we mobile phone users dont requir a dual core.
ghost010 said:
oke,here is some logical sense
honeycomb is getting optimized for tablet's 'Hmm?
all the new Tablet's in the future are already getting nvidia dual core chip thingy. 'hmm?
a tablet has a bigger screen.
if you put a 30 inch screen on a windows xp single core machine and play games on it. 'Hmm?
what happens?
yes. it will run slower :3
so i am guessing.
because of the big screens on tablets,the tablets need dual core.
so assume we mobile phone users dont requir a dual core.
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.....that logic is so faulty imho, 1ghz single core is more than enough power for an average tablet
Everyone is missing the verbatim quote:
Google's new Android Honeycomb tablet OS will require a dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 processor to run properly,
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This is the same line that was touted during froyo/gingerbread. The OS will run properly on target hardware, that does not mean it's a requirement.
Since the very beginning andy rubin has stated the android ecosystem is similar to windows ecosystem in terms of upgrades. Meaning, that as technology moves forward so do the possibilities.
With the tablet form factor and layouts you will have views inside views, something that NEEDS more power to do. This DOES NOT MEAN phones cannot run the base OS. A phone will NEVER require to have a view within a view, because lets face it it's a 4" screen.
Just like the NFC/bluetooth/wifi/ffc apis are hardware dependent so will the "tablet API" be dependent on actual hardware that performs better.
This will probably mean a get out jail free card for samsung so they never have to update the TAB, but something tells me it's be an encore presenation of the LG fiasco with the Optimus line.
Expect to see honeycomb on phones from modder commmunity (CM and co). They'll probably hack in the tablet API just for the hell of it, even if it's useless on a handset screen.
this is nothing official, just someone's opinion. however we did all see the video of the motorola prototype at allthingsd site, and he flat out said "we take new hardware, new screen, etc" and it was running the dual core tegra cpu. that right there should give an indication of where they want tablets to go. sure it might not be REQUIRED. but i mean, the proof is right there, it was running a dual core.
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this is nothing official, just someone's opinion. however we did all see the video of the motorola prototype at allthingsd site, and he flat out said "we take new hardware, new screen, etc" and it was running the dual core tegra cpu. that right there should give an indication of where they want tablets to go. sure it might not be REQUIRED. but i mean, the proof is right there, it was running a dual core.
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I honestly dont see any next generation tablets with a single core processor, same thing with phones too. is dual core needed for the every day user..oh hell no. but does it sound good and is it going to sell product, hell f'ng yes
I have no fear that the NS will get honeycomb.
I want to start a thread for hardware mods because of two compelling ideas that have arisen:
1) Swapping in the Super LCD of the HD7S into the HD2. Would it be possible to swap this improved screen into an HD2? I love the fact that I can dual boot android and WP7 in HD2 but that device really NEEDS a better screen. From what I can tell, the previous gen HD7 used the same hardware design as the HD2 including the exact same screen, so the HD7S seems like they just swapped in a better display. There are some guides on youtube that show how to replace the HD2 screen, so a modification like this isn't impossible but pretty difficult. Any comments?
2) NFC into the HD2. This didn't seem like a neccessary feature at first, but a post on engadget about using wireless NFC for android devices seems like a compelling option. I am not too sure about this mod though, don't know how hard it would be. I know somebody successfully created a wireless charging system for the Evo (I think) but an NFC system is a completely different ball game.
Post any thoughts or comments on these mods and propose your own mods as well. For the sake of intelligence try not to post mods without having some backup in terms of feasibility of the modification. What I mean is don't say stuff like "Lets put in a slide out keyboard, an SLR camera on the device and add playstation control buttons". Unless of course you legitimately found a way to do such a monstrous mod!!!! =P.
Well what you propose with the changing of the screen would be awesome, I have to say it would be one hell of an accomplishment. But you not only would have the actual physical hardware to contend with, but you have to ask is all other needed components in the HD2 compatible to work with the proposed adopted screen. Another thing will the actual size of the screen and digitizer for the HD7S as far as the thickness of them together. The questions and obstacles would no doubt be numerous if not to many to overcome or to large to overcome.
Then you have the fact that even if you did succeed in getting the screen installed you would have to modify the IPL of the bootloader to even be abale to use it. Plus probably a whole slew of other software related things would have to be modded. But this is XDA after all
Cheers
really cant see the point, the HD2 screen is already very good, well mine is anyway. That being said though I had a new screen fitted by HTC about a month ago and I am sure it is better than the original one.
hmm.
it won't be necessary to build the native NFC to HD2... they are coming with NFC SD cards, it will be pretty easy for us
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it won't be necessary to build the native NFC to HD2... they are coming with NFC SD cards, it will be pretty easy for us
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and nfc sims
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/16/nfc_sim_again/
Well about screen..
U may have measured the width and height. And may be same. But what about depth? And what about position of the flux cable?
Thats a hardware thing.what about software? And the display driver section? More/ less volts to backlight leds, display ram and the display itself? Any way give a try..
About nfc.. yap we got the software in every android os for it. Coz all or most of them are ports from phones having nfc( i think so)
But from the hardwre view.. its about making a radio module whith accelerometer support.. and its should be tiniy enough to put into the phone.. so its a realy hard thing..
The wireless charging dock is a simple one.. connecting both through the old technology.. mutual induction. Old wine in new bottle.+ unwanted losses too.+ dustortion to sensitive devices. Well that might be helpfull if u hav a 100% sealed device( water,dust... etc. Proof) and with out connectors which opens the inside world to the outside world!!! For charging a device like dat u can use wireless electricity. Or what else it may be usefull? Its a pure analog circuit. Every dude with a little electronics knowledge can rip a normal stepdown transformer and can make it.
But nfc is not that.. u may get the point..
send from my hd2 @ miui 1.12.2
With Android 4.0 release today. Im raising the question. Is there any future and posibility of Droid 4.0 on HTC HD2 - Is Hardware of HD2 even capable of handle this system ?
I've been wondering about the same thing myself. After playing with the Samsung Galaxy S2 I decided that it's nice, but the advantages are not great enough for me to justify the expense. Looks like the hardware of the new Nexus phone will be a slightly upgraded S2, so at the end of the day it is all down to software.
Right now it's probably a bit early to say, but I'd expect the OS itself should run on the HD2 hardware. Experience might be smoother on higher end phones though. Then again, new high end devices will start getting 720p displays and compared to the decent, but dated by now, 800x480 display that will be a big increase when it comes to pixels rendered. So you will be getting faster hardware, but the beautiful display will probably eat into that processing power a bit.
If tytung and others can port stock ICS to the HD2 then I can probably make it last long enough until they release the S3 or whatever equivalent HTC superphone (though considering HTC's track record over the past few months they really need to get their act together, but that's a separate conversation).
Then again, we've seen very little of the stuff that ICS can do. I have no clue how much of an improvement it will be over 2.3.5. I hope it will be awesome, but I guess I'll find out in approximately 90 minutes
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With Android 4.0 release today. Im raising the question. Is there any future and posibility of Droid 4.0 on HTC HD2 - Is Hardware of HD2 even capable of handle this system ?
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Are you kidding? lol Our superphone has been able to run pretty much anything including the kitchen sink.
It's just a matter of time for the rom to be ported to the HD2
The geniuses we have cooking here can do anything but solve third world poverty and debt.
I reckon the big question should be How soon do you reckon there will be a development thread with ICS rom as the title.
Just finished watching the liveblog and I'm reading through updates on engadget and thisismynext.
Phone itself looks pretty sweet, but I guess that is off topic... so ICS.
First impression really good, though I have to wait to see some more hands on to form a more informed opinion. Though from an HD2 stand point there are a few things I am worried about:
1) face recognition unlock, personally I think it's a gimmick and I am almost 100% sure this can be disabled; the demo failure was pretty bad as well; but I wonder whether Google will include a new set of hardware requirements in the same way that Windows Phone 7 does; and if they do, to what extent can they be bypassed
2) no word on compatibility or updates with older devices; this was an event held to push the new OS and new Samsung made phone so naturally they would focus on this, but still I am a bit worried that Google might decide that they will only allow the OS to exist on new hardware and will somehow put restrictions that will be very hard to ignore. Then again I am writing this 10 minutes after the keynote has finished, while I'm waiting for the first hands-on updates so possibly this might not even be an issue 10 minutes from now I guess they were talking about integrating the software and hardware so tightly (and some of the new features look like they really take the advantage of 720p res) that I'm worried that the OS running on a single core 800x480 device will look a bit rubbish. Ah, and they mentioned 720p as the native res for ICS. I'm guessing other resolutions will be available since it's impossible google will just assume that even lower end smartphones will have 720p screen, but I'm a bit worried how the UI elements will interact with a lower res display.
Oh well. Time will tell.
Overall I'm pretty chuffed. As usual there are a few new/polished features which I don't care about (face unlock, dictating texts, most of the camera improvements since I'm not that much into photo taking) and some stuff which they are missing. The big one being facebook. They said that any social network can use their API so hopefully that means some tighter integration at OS level, but time will tell. They are trying to push g+ obviously and I like it way more than fb, especially when it comes to mobile, but at the end of the day I'll always end up where most of my non-geek friends are. One other trend which has being gaining traction is the proliferation of profile photos, qhich can be very nice and make the UI come to life. But in my experience, quite often people won't have profile pics, because they haven't posted one or the contact exists just as a gmail address/phone number and isn't linked to any social network. That and most people put profile pics which are rubbish thumbnails that will look like a turd once you blow them up on a 4.3-4.65 screen which will suddenly look much less cool.
Anyway. These are VERY early impressions and are mostly positive. I hope there won't be many problems with porting this to the HD2. And if there are then I guess 2-2.5 years of valiant service is not a bad run.
We should be getting it. http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/19/google-confirms-nexus-s-will-get-ice-cream-sandwich-for-real/
Theoretically it should run on any Android 2.3 device.
Direct from Engadget :-
<We've just heard straight from Google's Gabe Cohen that the Nexus S will definitely be getting ICS. In fact, both he and Matias Duarte think most Gingerbread devices will see an upgrade, saying: Currently in the process for releasing Ice Cream Sandwich for Nexus S. Theoretically should work for any 2.3 device.>
So it should be fine
Hell Yes!! I guess there is still a difference between "run" and "run well" - iOS4 on iPhone 3G anyone? - but I'm really looking forward to it. This is awesome news. If they are rolling out ICS to the Nexus S then we might even see a usable ROM before the Galaxy Nexus hits retail.
Honestly, I don't think Google would release an OS that would run only on dual core devices, while they are still far from being top sellers. There are way more single-core devices out there...
Beside, while dual core devices are obviously faster (I have a Tab 10.1 myself)...that's pretty much it ! Games will run smoother but not the OS itself. You don't feel the dual core is fully used.
I guess that things will get trickier for our HD2 at the end of 2012 when dual core will be more implemented.
So sit back and wait for AOSP/CM9.
Looks like the SDK and the G-Nex system dump are both out...
Hope we see a ROM for the HD2 soon!
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With Android 4.0 release today. Im raising the question. Is there any future and posibility of Droid 4.0 on HTC HD2 - Is Hardware of HD2 even capable of handle this system ?
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ICS has no new hardware requirements so doesnt matter how old the device is, if it was capable to run gingerbread than your good for ICS
Carriers won’t have to use nasty schemes to make people buy a new phone either, i wonder what their marketing trick for devices with ICS will be.
That Google wouldnt release an OS that would run only on dual core devices is also true, and dual core support doesnt even mean your device will run better, it just handles multitasking better.
(My old 3.2ghz dual core laptop runs faster than my new 2.0ghz quad core )
Just see and hope
hope i can try!
hope that cooming soon, how about NexusHD2-Ice Cream Sandwich rom by tytung ^^ lol
i hope ics can be ported for our hd2
The only thing that most certainly will not work is the face unlock feature. Although even then they might make it use the back camera .
Add to that the 1080p recording and those are the only things I don't see ever working on our beloved hd2.
Fortunately, it's android 4.0 and they still didn't iron out our phone. ICS will be possible on hd2. Hope it sees even 5.0 and onwards.
youtube.com/watch?v=5QHhFR-puEo Android 4.0 in HD2? YEAA
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youtube.com/watch?v=5QHhFR-puEo Android 4.0 in HD2? YEAA
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE93OdYnkrA (tutorial on how to do it?)
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The only thing that most certainly will not work is the face unlock feature. Although even then they might make it use the back camera .
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I'm fairly sure CM9 will come up with a back camera work around...
I have to admit i was wondering myself if ICS would run on our HD2 after hearing that the coding in ICS was built for dual core.. but the devs here and the hd2 can conquer anything.. even android Jello, kitkat, licorise, and muffin lol jk