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Theoretically if i knew specific specs of an iphone could i somehow port win mo to an iphone? One of the main reasons i would even bring this up is the ability of the multi-touch and the larger processor (i wanna say 720mHz)
YES I DO HATE APPLE
joel2009 said:
Theoretically if i knew specific specs of an iphone could i somehow port win mo to an iphone? One of the main reasons i would even bring this up is the ability of the multi-touch and the larger processor (i wanna say 720mHz)
YES I DO HATE APPLE
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LOL never heard it the other way around like that before
oh, and t answer your question: no
did u fall into the iphone trap?
joel2009 said:
Theoretically if i knew specific specs of an iphone could i somehow port win mo to an iphone? One of the main reasons i would even bring this up is the ability of the multi-touch and the larger processor (i wanna say 720mHz)
YES I DO HATE APPLE
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Well, theoretically you could build your own phone that's 50 times faster than an iPhone, with 10 times the resolution and 100 times the storage. And ran WinMacOSXubuntuDos, all with neural interfacing - no touch required.
Anything's possible theoretically.
snachez said:
Well, theoretically you could build your own phone that's 50 times faster than an iPhone, with 10 times the resolution and 100 times the storage. And ran WinMacOSXubuntuDos, all with neural interfacing - no touch required.
Anything's possible theoretically.
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LOL, didn't we have a whole thread about this? People started getting wild and started imagining all sorts of different things..like a nuclear powered phone that can double as a microwave..etc etc
Yes, but can it mow the lawn?
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Yes, but can it mow the lawn?
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You can use it to call someone to cut your grass for you though
hmm.. that makes me think if we might built our own customs... maybe sort of a pimp my phone customs?
kewl..
Seriously now, guys are having a hard ass time writing drivers for the video issues on the MSM7200 chipset devices. How do you realistically think porting the entire WM OS to a foreign device that you will have no device reference info to is possible. Theoretically yeah I guess, but realistically, well you know the rest of the sentence....
glad everyone is on the same page hahaha....... i must say though when i heard phones would be coming out with gHz chipsets now..... does anyone know exactly how the multi touch works, is it software or hardware that makes the difference. because the whole "finger only sensitive screen" isn't really that..... it responds to anything that is thicker as an input, so it probably has something to do with a lock on a certain range of size..... since all programs are input output and touch flow is now modifyable is there a way to write software or a driver for the multitouch?????
sorry to seem iintreged by the iphone, really i hate it and personally think the only real "new" thing it produced with the multi touch on a handheld devise. I mostly just don't like apple because they Ruin everything they create by being overprotective of there stuff..... thats my two cents for the day though......
Food for thought, is there an exchange rate on your thoughts or something cause people say a penny for your thoughts but i've always given my 2 cents
Joel
I have been told that multitouch requires a whole different type of screen.
I have aslo been told that there is a possibility that WM7 once released will be able to support multitouch; however, you will not be able to just put WM7 on any phone and have multitouch because our current screens cannot support it. There will have to be completely new devices.
I wonder if the HTC Touch HD will be able to support it though.
i imagine one day our ppc will replace a p4 desktop able to output xvid video quality to tv
able to dl large gb files over the air at t1 speed and watch local tv anywhere around the world.
iPhone has a capacitive screen as opposed to the resistive screens on HTC devices. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen
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iPhone has a capacitive screen as opposed to the resistive screens on HTC devices. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen
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good refrence hambola
i understands how the touch screens differ now, but if there is a way to program "actions" such as swiping a finger is there not also a way the write a piece of software that could then some how measure the size of the objet pressing on it? can we better control the "smartness" of our screens?
i no the type of screen our htc phone can only register one point because of the way it litterallly registers though the contact of two plates and just gets confused by a large object, but is there a way to assign an object to that confusion?
I think this should be off-topic....
yeah probably but i really have no idea how to move it... and itskinda development and hacking or atleast about it
mods are welcome to move it
Hi all,
Basically I would like to buy a second hand G1 seeing as the price has come down to a reasonable level recently. But I am very worried about being duped into buying a fake one, as the fake one - CECT G1, looks exactly like the real one even down to the box.
So let's say if I am buying from eBay, what should I look for to distinguish whether a particular G1 is real or fake?
Suggestions welcome.
Many thanks.
wywywywy said:
Hi all,
Basically I would like to buy a second hand G1 seeing as the price has come down to a reasonable level recently. But I am very worried about being duped into buying a fake one, as the fake one - CECT G1, looks exactly like the real one even down to the box.
So let's say if I am buying from eBay, what should I look for to distinguish whether a particular G1 is real or fake?
Suggestions welcome.
Many thanks.
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usually when you're buying from ebay you can trust a seller with good rep. if they say it's genuine, then 9.7 times out of 10 it is. Just make sure you ask if it's genuine and not the cect rip off one. If you some how get a fake and you have documentation that they verified it was real you can always dispute. I don't think there is any way to tell its fake if someone over ebay is really malicious and wants to sell you a fake as a real. you can't hold the device until you get it and they can tell you whatever you want. As for purchasing in person, I've never seen a fake G1 so who knows how close it is to the real deal. And as always, if the price is too good to be true, it usually is a fakey. just my 2 centavos.
Ive seen 1 CECT G1, it was a young gentleman in my tmobile store...
The first thing I noticed was the camera isnt under the shield inside the cover, its positioned right above it in the corner...
Also, NO SLIDING KEYBOARD.and the theme they use sucks...
Other than those obvious things...looked like a legit g1 until he showed me it couldnt slide....
I wonder if they are able to be rooted....and have roms put on them...I probably would buy one just to be able to Test roms with.
Oh wow, didn't know the fake one doesn't have a keyboard.
That would be a good tell-tale sign!
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Ive seen 1 CECT G1, it was a young gentleman in my tmobile store...
The first thing I noticed was the camera isnt under the shield inside the cover, its positioned right above it in the corner...
Also, NO SLIDING KEYBOARD.and the theme they use sucks...
Other than those obvious things...looked like a legit g1 until he showed me it couldnt slide....
I wonder if they are able to be rooted....and have roms put on them...I probably would buy one just to be able to Test roms with.
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Oh well, sometimes the fake phones out of china are more advanced and developed..like those with the 2 sim card slots, Tv/FM radio, touch screen, (come with 2 batteries), GPS, WiFi, BT, full qwerty and also a slider, etc, etc...no clue what OS is on those though. But I wouldnt mind a bootleg G1 with dual Sim cards, dual Micro SDHC, a Digital tuner for HDTV, etc, etc if it could still use our Roms =) and had the slide out keyboard. Would probably have a more advanced processor too.
It is funny though that they would not add the full keyboard and just make it look like it. Seems like they went to more trouble than it was worth. They could have just Bootlegged the Magic or Sapphire and not worry about a keyboard at all.
Engadget did an article on this kirf phone. It isn't even running Android, so good luck putting ROMS on it.
Here is a link to a kirf phone that will supposedly have a genuine Android OS.
Here is the article talking about the fake G1 and fake Android OS
the fake android phones run an os called nucleus os which is basically a phone os for mtk processors that sells for $15,000 for unlimited licensing. cheap when you're making hundreds of thousands of handsets and putting the same os on all of them. the os is skinnable, and it's responsible for all your fake chinese ipod, iphone, android, and almost anything with a touchscreen coming from china.
One would ask, why fake android if android is open source? well, android is a fatty. while nucleus os might fit in a 32mb nand, you can't cram android (an usable one anyway) in anything less than 64mb nand. most of those phone's mtk processors come with built-in storage, and nucleus happens to fit in them, so the maker saves money by using less components (i've had a few of those phones, you open them, and there's hardly anything in those pcbs), really, those phones cost about 30 dollards to make (maybe less) and they sell them for 100-200, that's a profit right there.
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android /system requires at least 64 mb memory (and that's removing some apks), i forgot to mention you still need /boot, /data, and other folders, so anything less that 128mb nand wont do
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the fake android phones run an os called nucleus os which is basically a phone os for mtk processors that sells for $15,000 for unlimited licensing. cheap when you're making hundreds of thousands of handsets and putting the same os on all of them. the os is skinnable, and it's responsible for all your fake chinese ipod, iphone, android, and almost anything with a touchscreen coming from china.
One would ask, why fake android if android is open source? well, android is a fatty. while nucleus os might fit in a 32mb nand, you can't cram android (an usable one anyway) in anything less than 64mb nand. most of those phone's mtk processors come with built-in storage, and nucleus happens to fit in them, so the maker saves money by using less components (i've had a few of those phones, you open them, and there's hardly anything in those pcbs), really, those phones cost about 30 dollards to make (maybe less) and they sell them for 100-200, that's a profit right there.
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android /system requires at least 64 mb memory (and that's removing some apks), i forgot to mention you still need /boot, /data, and other folders, so anything less that 128mb nand wont do
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+1000 points to you, sir.
lol look through the specs
http://g1-clone-phone-review.com/
In terms of the screen, the G1 has a better screen resolution while the CECT G1 has a higher color depth. It even has an FM radio, stereo bluetooth as a standard and more... maybe the G1 could learn a few things from this look a like.
You guys should look through this site...
http://www.china-mobile-phone.com/
Also, mods, I am not advertising nor endorse this site, in fact I encourage no one to purchase these kinds of phones. They are not certified and are potentially even dangerous. Please just look through it for your pleasure
I mean, seeing some of those phones even tempts me to buy them. They have Wi-Fi, bluetooth, FM radios, TV tuners, TV outs, actual cameras with optical zoom (Click on Zoomer lense on the side to see them, they are actually pretty cool looking.) However, if only it would be possible to put our own operating system on them. The current ones are well, very ugly and simple. Basically, the phones hardware has a lot of potential...
Also to add, my friend actually has one of these phones, it has a 3 inch touch screen, 3 MP camera, dual sim card, etc. It looked pretty cool, the screen was decent, resolution was bit low at 320x240, but that is because I have been spoiled by the screen on my G1. However, now everytime even if the phone is just dropped from a small height, it shuts off. So I guess you get what you pay for? They look cool without a doubt though... maybe for those people who are on a tight budget but still need a more than typical functioning device.
Some very interesting insight there Jubeh.
Do you work in this industry?
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Funny you say that SolemnWishing, because one of the reasons I didn't go for a G1 in the first place was the resolution. It is way too low compared to my Diamond and Diamond2 >__<
Yup I too have heard that the fakes have no Keyboaard so I made sure I took pics of Mine with the keyboard out when I listed it - If you are looking and want a rooted one, check my sig but only til Monday evening...
Dayzee xxx
SolemnWishing said:
lol look through the specs
In terms of the screen, the G1 has a better screen resolution while the CECT G1 has a higher color depth. It even has an FM radio, stereo bluetooth as a standard and more... maybe the G1 could learn a few things from this look a like.
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Are you kidding me? That thickness for those specs is ridiculous. The extra thickness is in the KEYBOARD, if that's gone then it's not hard to put those features into the body. If you have to wire the keyboard in it suddenly gets much harder. 17.1mm and the large body is horrible. THE TOUCH PRO 2 has that thickness... AND it has a CURVED back in order to make it feel SMALLER in hand.
//Just trying to get my point across, no offense.
OP, the chances that you get scammed by a reputed seller is very little. I really don't think it is something to worry about so much. Also notice that the trackball on the CECT doesn't have the same texture as the original.
If there was a way to install APK's on this clone, I would absolutely buy one. I would use it to play around with and try to mod. I bought an ADP because I knew I would be too chicken **** to mod a $300 phone.
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Some very interesting insight there Jubeh.
Do you work in this industry?
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Funny you say that SolemnWishing, because one of the reasons I didn't go for a G1 in the first place was the resolution. It is way too low compared to my Diamond and Diamond2 >__<
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Well, the G1's resolution when scaled down to the size of the screen if very very average, and the color depth is just flat out disappointing. Look at the new Sidekick LX's with a screen with 850 x 480 pixel resolution, that just blows the G1 away. And one thing I have noticed about the screen on the G1, when looking at pictures, the colors just don't feel alive. They don't feel vivid or bright or saturated enough. I have a Sony Ericsson w580i, your basic slide phone, and the colors are way better looking on that.
i think the HD2 is an amazing piece of hardware and its clearly better than any other competing product in the coming few months. i do however hate a few things about it:
1-the lack of front camera for 3G video calls. while i may not care a lot about video calls i imagine that many will be missing it.
2-i see no point of releasing a separate delayed hardware revision for US market. especially when you consider that the rest of the world version lacks the front camera just like every other US phone. the Acer F1(another 1 GHZ 3G phone) has been available for a while and it supports US 3G bands on the same hardware and it even has the front camera.
3- considering that its the best multimedia phone made by HTC, its lacking the TV-out and the FM-Radio transmitter and better camera(all of which are supported by the N97)
4- the included 512MB ROM is a joke. i know that it can be expanded with SD card. but extra flash on the device is always useful. the 1.5 year old Omnia had 8/16/24BG+microSD why cant this have it. adding 8 or 16 GB flash costs HTC almost nothing to add
5-lack of stylus: HTC patented the capacitive stylus but they didnt use it. i know the the screen is big enough to be very finger friendly. but its still windows mobile and some applications work need stylus (for example Pocket artist).
6- lack of hardware buttons (especially camera). i wish the added 2 or 3 buttons on the empty sides. WM will always make use of the hardware buttons
7-despite the very high specs, its still less than the minimum Windows mobile7 specs (which requires Tegra level graphics performance acceleration and bigger than integrated storage ) which means that it will not be
upgradeable to wm7.
8-i dont understand the 320+128MB. the dedicated 128MB for the low performing graphics chip seems pointless to me. if they are going to put all this memory there why didnt they allocate it to program memory.
9- i really love how HTC managed to make the device reasonably small considering the huge 4.3" screen. i still think that its physically too big for many people. the HD was not very pocket friendly and this one is even bigger. i wish the screen was 4.0" or even 3.8". considering their recent improved and more efficient designs, im sure HTC would have been able to even make it friendly for one hand use with a smaller screen.
10- im not too big on the new standard micro-USB connector. they should have at lest included the hard to find mini-USB to micro-USB adapter with it. everybody already has several mini-USB cables/chargers but ive never actually seen a micro USB yet.
11- they increased up the specs (and power usage i would assume) significantly from the first HD but they reduced the battery size from 1350 to 1250mah!!!. luckily the early reports are suggesting "acceptable" battery life
Only thing missing for me on the device is a decent camera. I don't mean HTC standard... I mean the best of Nokia, Samsung & Sony Ericsson. The original HD took terrible pictures and videos. I don't think there is much improvement in this area from previews and videos.
TV-Out would of been great but sadly missing.
I don't care about front camera because I hardly ever use video call.
It's probably more of a business centric device but with such a large screen it could have so easily been the ultimate work and pleasure phone.
I'm leaning towards the Nokia N900 (Linux) but still undecided.
Just some thoughts for your annoyances! (I currently own an Omnia too)
THE GRIZZ said:
1-the lack of front camera for 3G video calls. while i may not care a lot about video calls i imagine that many will be missing it.
3G has been around for a while with a front video camera, but I can truly say that I don't know a single person that actually uses it. It's a gimmick IMO.
2-i see no point of releasing a separate delayed hardware revision for US market. especially when you consider that the rest of the world version lacks the front camera just like every other US phone. the Acer F1(another 1 GHZ 3G phone) has been available for a while and it supports US 3G bands on the same hardware and it even has the front camera.
I don't see the point either - bit silly if you ask me.
3- considering that its the best multimedia phone made by HTC, its lacking the TV-out and the FM-Radio transmitter and better camera(all of which are supported by the N97)
FM what? It still bedazzles me that people listen to FM radio these days. Surely most people have unlimited internet now and like I just use internet radio. More stations! As for the TV-out, again, I don't see the point really. Personally I use my netbook/laptop/pc for plugging into a tv since they can play HD. I supposed it would be nice if you want to show off photos to friends but then we all have facebook these days anyway For me, not a sore exclusion.
4- the included 512MB ROM is a joke. i know that it can be expanded with SD card. but extra flash on the device is always useful. the 1.5 year old Omnia had 8/16/24BG+microSD why cant this have it. adding 8 or 16 GB flash costs HTC almost nothing to add
I love the additional 8GB of the Omnia, but I guess they have to keep costs down somewhere. I have a 16GB micro SD, but when are 24/32 going to be available? Anyone know?
5-lack of stylus: HTC patented the capacitive stylus but they didnt use it. i know the the screen is big enough to be very finger friendly. but its still windows mobile and some applications work need stylus (for example Pocket artist).
I think you can still use a stylus but you have to set it up to do so (I saw it in another post on here).
6- lack of hardware buttons (especially camera). i wish the added 2 or 3 buttons on the empty sides. WM will always make use of the hardware buttons
There is no excuse for extra buttons down the side, although it makes it a bit more sleek I guess. But it's not like it doesn't take photos, it's just a useablitly thing.
7-despite the very high specs, its still less than the minimum Windows mobile7 specs (which requires Tegra level graphics performance acceleration) which means that it will not be
upgradeable to wm7.
I'm not sure that's right is it? In that original Leo thread in the main board, wasn't it confirmed that it will be upgradable? I think it's remains a bit of an unknown at the moment. That said, will wm7 be complete in 12 months? Given M$'s history of keeping to their planned dates, I doubt it. I think cookers will make it happen anyway and if not, in 12 months it will be upgrade time. Did someone say HD3?!
8-i dont understand the 320+128MB. the dedicated 128MB for the low performing graphics chip seems pointless to me. if they are going to put all this memory there why didnt they allocate it to program memory.
This one I have no idea about. Maybe they have something clever up their sleeves?
9- i really love how HTC managed to make the device reasonably small considering the huge 4.3" screen. i still think that its physically too big for many people. the HD was not very pocket friendly and this one is even bigger. i wish the screen was 4.0" or even 3.8". considering their recent improved and more efficient designs, im sure HTC would have been able to even make it friendly for one hand use with a smaller screen.
Well lets look at the iPhone. It's a huge seller. The HD2 is only a couple of mm's wider and taller so I don't see anyone is going to see it as an issue when they put it in their hands.
10- im not too big on the micro-USB connector. they should have at lest included the hard to find mini-USB adapter with it. everybody already has several mini-USB cables/chargers but ive never actually seen a micro USB yet.
I totally disagree here. It's the new universal format. You won't have seen many yet because devices are JUST beginning to emerge with it (ie Omnia 2). Already it's working because Samsung usually have their own proprietary connector so to see them go universal is a fantastic step in the right direction. It would be blind of HTC not to follow. So yes, bin those old Mini-USB
11- they increased up the specs (and power usage i would assume) significantly from the first HD but they reduced the battery size from 1350 to 1250mah!!!. luckily the early reports are suggesting "acceptable" battery life
I really hope it can last at least one full day of decent usage without the requirement of a charge. Surely they wouldn't make this wonderful device then shoot themselves in the foot??
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Anyway some good points there!
7-despite the very high specs, its still less than the minimum Windows mobile7 specs (which requires Tegra level graphics performance acceleration) which means that it will not be
upgradeable to wm7
I'm not sure that's right is it? In that original Leo thread in the main board, wasn't it confirmed that it will be upgradable? I think it's remains a bit of an unknown at the moment. That said, will wm7 be complete in 12 months? Given M$'s history of keeping to their planned dates, I doubt it. I think cookers will make it happen anyway and if not, in 12 months it will be upgrade time. Did someone say HD3?!
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It is very likely WM7 will be out by mid to late next year. WM8 is already being discussed as I understand it and WM6 and 6.5 have been universally panned (and quite rightly).
So if you purchase the HD2 assuming it will be out of date in less than 10 months then all well but I suspect many will not be happy (including me). I don't mind spending extra bucks now to avoid doubling my investment by having to purchase two devices in the space of 10 months!
Do you have the link to the original "in the original Leo thread in the main board, wasn't it confirmed that it will be upgradable? "
add this to the list:
1. lack of full-fledged graphics drivers (3D)
2. lack of d-pad; or trackball like blackberrys
1) Front Camera - most people don't use them so not a big deal
2) Buy the Acer if you like it (have fun)
3) it has got an FM Radio onboard I believe
4) Memory could be better but its got an SD card so just by a 16gb card.
5) The point is you don't need a stylus - am I missing something. If you wannt a Stylus get an Omnia 2
6) The camera button could have been useful - but nobody knows if one of the front buttons cannot be used. Shall we wait till its been reviewed fully before we slag it off.
7) Its been clearly stated that the specs do not say "Tegra" only. Thats just not true. Makes me laugh that a phone with great 3d potential and dedicated memory like the HD2 is being slagged off for no reason.
8) The screen size is the best part of the phone - it can be used to watch video, surf the net, etc. So it has to be big to fit the screen - not an issue.
9) Micro-USB!! - You mean the defacto standard now.
10) Nobody knows about battery life yet so lets hold fire.
Why are you interested in the phone if non of its main selling points you like?
because despite its "limitations" its still a lot better than the rest now.
take a chill pill dude and try to tone-down the fanboiasm. our nitpicking will make it very easy for HTC to make the HD3 a better device. also by highlighting them so early in its life, it will make easy easy for its users to deal with its potential issues
Teneka_Khan said:
1) Front Camera - most people don't use them so not a big deal
2) Buy the Acer if you like it (have fun)
3) it has got an FM Radio onboard I believe
4) Memory could be better but its got an SD card so just by a 16gb card.
5) The point is you don't need a stylus - am I missing something. If you wannt a Stylus get an Omnia 2
6) The camera button could have been useful - but nobody knows if one of the front buttons cannot be used. Shall we wait till its been reviewed fully before we slag it off.
7) Its been clearly stated that the specs do not say "Tegra" only. Thats just not true. Makes me laugh that a phone with great 3d potential and dedicated memory like the HD2 is being slagged off for no reason.
8) The screen size is the best part of the phone - it can be used to watch video, surf the net, etc. So it has to be big to fit the screen - not an issue.
9) Micro-USB!! - You mean the defacto standard now.
10) Nobody knows about battery life yet so lets hold fire.
Why are you interested in the phone if non of its main selling points you like?
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I haved discovered that it does support WM7http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7528 states
(QCOM 8k, Nvidia “Tegra” AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Qualcomm 8k = Snapdragon's QSD8xxx-series chips = Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250 (which is in the Leo).. so the processor should meet WM7 chassis 1 requirement.
To answer the FM radio question - the answer is YES
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_hd2-2957.php
I agree with the comments above. There is no such thing as a perfect device but you have got to congratulate HTC on the HD2 being one of the closest to it.
alecs said:
I haved discovered that it does support WM7http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7528 states
(QCOM 8k, Nvidia “Tegra” AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Qualcomm 8k = Snapdragon's QSD8xxx-series chips = Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250 (which is in the Leo).. so the processor should meet WM7 chassis 1 requirement.
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The processor does, but the Chassis 1 spec also specifies at least 1GB of flash (and at least 512mb fast flash).
The HD2 only comes with 512mb internal memory.
Sc4Freak said:
The processor does, but the Chassis 1 spec also specifies at least 1GB of flash (and at least 512mb fast flash).
The HD2 only comes with 512mb internal memory.
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By 1GB of flash I believe that means available storage i.e. an SD card
Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)
I am not sure what fast flash means but these are minumum specs and doesn't mean the device can't run WM7, it may just lag in certain spots though somehow I doubt this thing will lag even on WM7
Is the specified 65k for the screen a hardware or software limitation? I know Windows Mobile 6.5 only supports 65k effective colors, but when WM 7 launches would the device be able to display more colors?
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Is the specified 65k for the screen a hardware or software limitation? I know Windows Mobile 6.5 only supports 65k effective colors, but when WM 7 launches would the device be able to display more colors?
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sure it does . they dont make "65K color display" !
Most mobile phone LCD screens are 262K colours (18-bit). (This includes many of the displays used on phones that are advertised as supporting 24-bit colour.)
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sure it does . they dont make "65K color display" !
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But does anyone know the actual maximum bit-depth of the display?
The GRIZZ said:
3- considering that its the best multimedia phone made by HTC, its lacking the TV-out and the FM-Radio transmitter and better camera(all of which are supported by the N97)
FM what? It still bedazzles me that people listen to FM radio these days. Surely most people have unlimited internet now and like I just use internet radio. More stations! As for the TV-out, again, I don't see the point really. Personally I use my netbook/laptop/pc for plugging into a tv since they can play HD. I supposed it would be nice if you want to show off photos to friends but then we all have facebook these days anyway For me, not a sore exclusion.
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Dude theres a difference between FM Receiver and FM Transmitter. A FM Transmitter is important for those who own a car. The FM Transmitter can be used to transmit Music at a certain frequency which can be tuned to in the car using the Cars FM Radio!
The HD2 already has a FM Receiver. It might also support FM Transmission capabilities but that depends on which chip its using.
Video Out is certainly a welcome addon. Showing off Photos on a LCD is way better than telling them to login to Facebook! I for one will surely miss the TV Out.
Inspite of that, I consider these two features to be of very less importance when compared to the other feature set. This is the THE KILLER phone everyone was waiting for!
Prefer Touch HD over HD2
I agree with Grizzly on almost every point he's been making so far. Before I catch the flames too I shall start with a story...
My HP iPAQ was stolen from a payphone booth within one minute where I forgot it at an airport a year ago. This was my first real PDA and I was extraordinarily disappointed. I had racked up a lot of apps on it and and had even made the home screen sexy and easy to use with a few mods. Going from interfacing my custom cycles with the PCR machine (lab work) to playing old favourites like SimCity 2000 in lectures was great!
The next thing I obviously wanted was a PDA PHONE, so I didn't have to use a payphone booth again... so I got the Touch HD when it just came out in Oz from Telstra (who still sell it for $1500 - 215% markup). And it was absolutely perfect. Did everything, well supported by the community, and using it as a phone and an organizer that synced with outlook it worked a charm. Then last month getting a taxi back from the pub, I was left at a busway because the taxi driver who was fresh from India could not find my home as it wasn't on the GPS. Calling another taxi I got mugged for it while I was using it, snatched it from my hand. So now I was faced with having to get a new phone.
I have bought a Touch HD again. You see, the HD2 as fantastic as it is, is half way between being a traditional WM phone and an Android phone. Without the use of a stylus, how can you hand write down meeting notes? How can I use all my legacy games and applications? What's the point of having something a little zippier when the new manilla (which is a bit too busy) is going to be hacked onto the Touch HD anyway and it doesn't have the Tegra for true gaming pwnage or audiophile quality audio or a true camera replacement camera? Also the lack of 3G camera ticks me off too. I can't video call my parents in NZ which although is horrendously expensive, I enjoy doing on birthdays and so on - on special occasions we're often away from our computers.
What I am going to do is stick with my tried and tested HD and see if the HD2 has any advantage over the Dragon before I upgrade. Or even other non-HTC devices (god forbid) should they provide Audio/Graphics advantages. Because really the point of this thing is to replace the need to carry around other devices. Otherwise just get something that is only a phone, right?
I just found this vid, shows the games on it and well there is only 1 teeter! How could they cut solitaire and bubble breaker! What am i gonna waste time with now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntZQ0iXzyvc&feature=player_embedded
Its @ about 2:45
THE GRIZZ said:
our nitpicking will make it very easy for HTC to make the HD3 a better device.
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Very much so. HTC an enormous international company dedicated to producing a whole range of phones and mobile devices needs listen to random forum posters who can't even get their facts straight.
I'd like to take the opportunity to thank you for helping make the HD3 into the perfect device, derailing HTC's initial plans of improving the phone by removing the screen entirely and replacing it with a bar of soap. Your factual inaccuracies are making the mobile world a better place.
Since there is no dedicated off/on hardware ringer switch, is there a way to silence the phone while it is locked?
the volume rocker is normally used for something like that
mr_Ray said:
Very much so. HTC an enormous international company dedicated to producing a whole range of phones and mobile devices needs listen to random forum posters who can't even get their facts straight.
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Please spare us your fan-boyish drivel. What I mentioned in the OP are all valid concerns
I am not sure that this is the most suitable forum to discuss my issue, but I do think that it doesn't really matter.
The HTC HD mini is indeed a new phone - BUT SHOULD GET ATTENTION AS THE OTHER SMARTPHONES.
There are no applications/games/whatever that are suitable to this small great phone.
The problem (according to my non-professional view) is the small screen.
I am sure that an easy application would addapt the screen to all WM6.5/HD2 applications.
Can someone take an action?
Please - all other HD mini users - say your thing!!!
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Maybe if there's enough users, sort "critical mass", then developments will fire up.
It's like the treo pros and i780s. They were quite popular when they came out. But soon, very soon, better phones came quickly. Thus for the low number of SQVGA apps and themes. It's the same for the HD mini. Why get a HD mini when you can get a HD2? The HD mini is probably going to be forgotten soon.
firetiger you are totaly wrong.
The HD2 has about the same properties as the mini. The mini is (!!) just smaller. It is the only smartphone (with touchscreen) that feets to your pocket!
Again, I am sure that there is a simple way to re-define the screen of the mini to make it work like his bigger brother.
I think bart3385 is right - like I said - HTC mini owners should rise their voice.
Or maybe HTC should work on it.....
The HD mini has an odd screen resolution (in fact it seems to be the only phone with that screen size... HVGA is a stupid res between QVGA and VGA)... This alone makes it a poor device. Every informed user should have known it was a bad product before they bought it.
I have a Samsung Omnia (WQVGA... was kind of popular in France if I got my facts right) and in the beginning I found that despite the screen being similar to regular QVGA (with just an extra 80px in height) a few apps didn't work (WVGAFIX came to the rescue later). Of course with the HD mini it's much worse... Its screen size is just a dumb move (HTC should have gone with a more standard res like VGA but once again they left the users to pay for their poor judgement).
Many (if not most) WinMo apps are designed for specific resolutions and don't dynamically scale... That's why so little apps work in your device. Seeing the ever decreasing popularity of the OS, the verge of WP7, the fact that this is the only phone with this screen res and the not so high popularity of the device I'd say there's not much hope... It's like asking for every app to be rewritten for the sake of one phone in a phasing-out OS... Sorry pal.
I don't think that a WVGAFIX approach would be as easy for this phone but it could be the best option (scaling your screen to WQVGA or QVGA...). I seriously don't believe that HTC will provide such a solution (so your only hope is once again xda)... But for the foreseeable future it seems like your limited to whatever comes in the phone and the few 3rd party apps that work.
HD mini has a better size, while maintaining a good enough screen size. And it's easier on the pocket, both physically and price-wise. It's got a very good, clean and simple physical design and back cover. The back cover material is ideal; add to it the exposed screws for an attractive industrial design. Its capacitive touch keys should last longer than the mechanical keys of HD2.
It would have been nice to give a VGA resolution to HD mini. But i guess the main point of a lower HVGA resolution is to allow the miserly 600mHz processor to keep up. For today's generation of smartphones, 600mHz is quite anemic. I'm guessing it could have a hard time if paired to higher resolutions.
For me, HVGA is not bad for this size of phone. Most apps will do fine. But I'm certainly not satisfied with the broken and severely restricted Sense UI that comes with it.
If we want restricted phones, we can easily go to Apple Store for an iPhone. The main point, or should i say, the love of sticking to WinMo is exactly its unrestricted flexibility OS. HTC missed this concept.
HTC, please fix your broken Sense. Make this phone what we all expected it to be.
So your reasoning is that the HD mini is a good phone because it's pretty and has a sensible size? I most agree with the latter (most new devices are gargantuan). Also real hw buttons is something not to be dissed. HTC phones were a lot better when they had their older circle/dpad button (at least they were a lot more functional... g-sensor and multitouch fall short as appropriate game control methods... not to mention HTC should have implemented a g-sensor d-pad emulator to increase usability of older apps).
The problem is not that the phone has a new screen size per se... It's the fact that having a non standard screen size introduces new problems and incompatibilities. As always the priorities were in the wrong place. VGA should have worked quite fine in a 600mhz cpu (older models worked fine in slower cpus).
If companies coded better they wouldn't need 1+Ghz cpus... Sense is a senseless waste of any phones resources for the sake of look n feel. By far not worth the resources it consumes. If it were a well coded C++ shell it'd be a good interface but since companies work in a cost effective manner they always prefer the easy and fast approach. That's how we end up with this sort of crapware (really a shell in Lua? that sucks even in the PSP homebrew scene!). Sensible resource usage trumps looks anyday in my book (hence why I already consider Windows Phone 7 a major fail... .NET and Silverlight... and it's not even pretty! Microsoft what the hell were you thinking!?).
My opinion is that it has good sensible size. But not necessarily good in every aspect. Like you, i have an axe to grind about the Sense UI. It's mostly broken, not thoroughly tested, not properly coded, and prioritizes eye-candy over real functionality. I'm also not happy about how HTC removed some of WM's core functions and replace them with their own broken software. HTC placed a lot of restrictions on this phone that is really pissing me off.
Hardware manuals/how to vids
Does anyone know where I can find a hardware manual or a "how to" vid on how to change the digitiser (zer for all you americans) on a HTC HD mini T5555?
I have the new parts and the tri-wing tool, just want to make sure I'm not breaking anything when going into it.
Cheers
My Core Question:
WHY do no Android tablets have video INPUTS on them, so they could also be used as portable HD screens?
(or better yet as portable HD, multi-touch screens)
Basic Idea: I want an Android Tablet that can ALSO do what the GeChic on-lap 1002 can do (even if that didn't include touch). The on-lap 1002 is a highly portable 10" 10-point touchscreen that plays video from any HDMI source (or vga with included adapter). It is powered by USB plugged into either a usb-charger style wall adapter or directly into a PC. The best part is that if it is plugged into a PC, it not only draws power there but also sends touch commands to the PC through the USB at the same time. Great for portable gaming or a second screen BUT they are about $250 for the 10" and about $400 for the 15.6" and they have no OS, or stand-alone capabilities at all. I want a tablet that is always useful as a stand-alone, but when the situation calls for it, can also do the on-lap's job! (If on-lap still isn't clear to you then here is a video of it's big brother the 15.6" version).
I realize that adding a feature can increase the price and/or size of a tablet, but MOST of the parts that they both use overlap, so I don't think that the increase in either would be all that big. An HD 10-point capacitive touch screen has to be the biggest part and single cost in both (so making one screen do both functions only makes sense for size and cost) and the same USB components could be used, same body, bezel, buttons, etc. Admittedly, some components would probably have to be modified like the screen control board. That might cost a bit more/be a little bigger as a combo item, but still shouldn't be anywhere near double sized or double cost... so go ahead and add a little bit of cost or a few millimeters of thickness if that's what it takes! I would gladly pay an extra $50-100 (and probably willingly pay a fair bit more) for a tablet to add this feature and that certainly SEEMS attainable.
I have done literally days worth of Googling and have read MANY threads (some in this forum) with people asking IF there are any tablets with an HDMI input. At this point I am 99.999% convinced there are NONE (but I would be VERY HAPPY to be proven wrong). In order to be 100% sure and let my brain rest... I just have to have some idea WHY doesn't it exist? I am hoping that some of the hardware experts and creative-minded modders that frequent this forum can help me understand what I'm missing or better yet help make it happen. THANKS IN ADVANCE TO ALL!!!
Some Clarification:
1.) I just want to re-enforce that I am asking about INPUTs, not outputs. You wouldn't believe how much confusion there was about the difference in a few of the threads I read on some DSLR sites
2.) HDMI seems like the logical choice, so I may use it in examples, but my question is really about ANY video input regardless of port-type.
3.) I know that video ports only serve as EITHER a video input or output, not both from the same port (Some day a single port that did both would be nice, but for now) couldn't a tab easily have 2 ports, one in and one out or am i missing something simple?
4.) There is one answer I DO NOT BUY. Which is that 'there is not enough demand for anyone to bother adding an input to a tablet'. I have read several threads that have asked if it exists since 2011 for everything from DSLR photographers, gamers, car-PC builders, RaspberryPi fanatics, techs that want a portable workstation to connect to servers etc etc etc. Whole product lines or even companies (like GeChic) are based on portable screens, so I don't accept the premise that there is no demand. Besides, even if there WERE small demand, that would explain why they DON'T ALL have it, not why NONE have it. All I can conclude is that I am missing something and it must be a much bigger hardware challenge than I realize.
That'd be SWEET!
duckdodger24th said:
I want an Android Tablet that can ALSO do what the GeChic on-lap 1002 can do
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Well thanks... I want that Too... NOW! haha.
In fact, I might actually buy one of the "on-lap"s you talked about for traveling (thanks for culling me into them!). But it would be awesome if my Nexus could just do it! Or better yet, if they would put some droid guts and a battery in that 10inch on-lap (I have decided too late that I like 10" tabs way more than 7s)
Unfortunately, I don't have the chops to answer your question. In fact, I'm with you that it seems awesome and yet reasonable. But there are some brilliant modsters on here, so I hope you get some help because it's a great idea. Good Luck!
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DigMyDroid said:
thanks for culling me into them!
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Your Welcome... Assuming that was meant to say "clueing" you in
I am thinking about doing an in-dash car install of a table. But I would LOVE it if it doubled as a monitor that I could also use for a more elaborate windows7 car-PC for a possible later project. That is what made me first want it. I think I have some work-around ideas to fit those specific needs... but once I thought about it I couldn't help but think of how versatile it would be and a whole laundry list of potential uses!
duckdodger24th said:
Your Welcome... Assuming that was meant to say "clueing" you in
I am thinking about doing an in-dash car install of a table. But I would LOVE it if it doubled as a monitor that I could also use for a more elaborate windows7 car-PC...
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HAHA yes! that WAS meant to saying "clueing"... But... Ya know... typos happen... Unless, of course, you actually ARE planning to install a "table" into your car's dash, rather than a "tablet"!
DigMyDroid said:
HAHA yes! that WAS meant to saying "clueing"... But... Ya know... typos happen... Unless, of course, you actually ARE planning to install a "table" into your car's dash, rather than a "tablet"!
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Touché Sir!