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Can someone explain to me how memory in Vibrant or Android phones work please.

I'm new to alot of this stuff but one thing that caught my attention with this phone initially was its specs and the fact that it has 512mb. Now one thing I've noticed that has greatly hindered vibrant and android phone performance is memory. It's the achillies heal for droid users. Now my phone is rooted and I have auto memory manager and all is good for the most part. But my question is, if this phone has 512mb of ram, then why is 100-130 shown whenever I go into aam? Also will future phones that come with 1gb of ram really improve performance to the point where we users may not need a task or memory manager????..... just really curious because as much as I love droid and prefer it over the iphone, i don't give it to apples iphone for stability and smooth operating.
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It only shows like 300mb or less because the other 100mb is set aside for something.
The more apps you have opened at the same time the more ram will disappeare.
And not that 1gb will improve memory but will allow you to have more apps open without lagging
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Understood but let me ask this question. Now I personally am excited for the Galaxy S 2 with its specs. Those specs look promising for those like myself and many others looking for a very smooth operating phone. Gingerbread, 1gb of ram, 1.2 ghz dual core processor etc. Do you think a phone with those specs can promise an almost lag free experience for us droid users?
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It should but ... from my experience the rom creators here at xda make the phone smoother than the manufactors. Btw I don't use task killers and my phone is pretty damn smooth!
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using a task killer on anything 2.2 or higher is pointless. android does a fine job of managing open applications.

Memory on phone always low?

I've noticed that on my phone the available memory is usually somewhere around 90-110.. Is this normal?
Alot of other android phones with 512mb of ram seem to have like 200mb free all the time, why the difference?

Probably because the vibrant doesn't have 512mb of ram

You really don't have to worry about that, Android is built to take care of our RAM, multi-tasking.
So go ahead and uninstall that task killer.

Maybe your phone have the Auto Memory Manager software

I prefer to just have the task killer... every once i na while when it gets really slow I just pop it open and close everything out and it works wonderful.

Are you on CM7?
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Yes I amm...

FYI that is plenty of ram, and completely normal, i normally have less ram available for use around 60mb, problem with killing tasks is that it can end up eating battery life as certain programs auto restart and while they are in ram they arent using any processing power, but when you kill them and they come back you end up unnecessarily eating power.
if you do it only occasionally to kill off rogue apps that dont like to go away after you have exited that is fine, but do not set to auto kill.
the reason for your lower ram availability is that tho the vibrant does have 512 mb of ram a good portion of it is dedicated to system functions only leaving around 300-350 MB for the user. unless you are leaving multiple games open you shouldnt have any issues with ram as previously stated due to the built in ram maintenance in android

And ive heard that android works best when its ram ia being used up... strange huh?
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Task killers are the best I manage memory my self an battery is better with it
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younix258 said:
And ive heard that android works best when its ram ia being used up... strange huh?
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yes. free ram is wasted ram.

Id rather have free memory for expansion if need be. i think of it like this. Would my pc run well if it only had 60mb free out of 512? Hell no
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jwleonhart said:
Id rather have free memory for expansion if need be. i think of it like this. Would my pc run well if it only had 60mb free out of 512? Hell no
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yes, if you were running linux. which is what android is.

Granted free ram is wasted but not enough free ram is why dungeon defenders barely works, the developers suggest 256mb ram and as hard as I try I couldn't free up 200mb even. But the 339mb or whatever isn't all that much to begin with.
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degeneration said:
Granted free ram is wasted but not enough free ram is why dungeon defenders barely works, the developers suggest 256mb ram and as hard as I try I couldn't free up 200mb even. But the 339mb or whatever isn't all that much to begin with.
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Dungeon Defenders works good on our phone. I played it for months. But it lags on larger map because it is really for dual core phones.
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Dungeon Defenders is a dog on anything other than low graphics and single player. Start up multiplayer and the phone can't handle it for anything.
I really would like to be able to have more free memory. Right now i'm showing 32mb free and honestly to me that's just too little to have free at any one time.
Can someone remind me why our actual 512mb of ram is limited to 339mb? I thought our GPU also had independant memory or am I wrong? Out of everything samsung did.... a little bit more memory wouldn't have killed them.

jwleonhart said:
Dungeon Defenders is a dog on anything other than low graphics and single player. Start up multiplayer and the phone can't handle it for anything.
I really would like to be able to have more free memory. Right now i'm showing 32mb free and honestly to me that's just too little to have free at any one time.
Can someone remind me why our actual 512mb of ram is limited to 339mb? I thought our GPU also had independant memory or am I wrong? Out of everything samsung did.... a little bit more memory wouldn't have killed them.
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Are you having trouble with multitasking?
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jwleonhart said:
Dungeon Defenders is a dog on anything other than low graphics and single player. Start up multiplayer and the phone can't handle it for anything.
I really would like to be able to have more free memory. Right now i'm showing 32mb free and honestly to me that's just too little to have free at any one time.
Can someone remind me why our actual 512mb of ram is limited to 339mb? I thought our GPU also had independant memory or am I wrong? Out of everything samsung did.... a little bit more memory wouldn't have killed them.
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We do have 512 but the system requirements uses a good portion of it that's why you see 339.It automatically frees up more ram when it needs to.I wouldn't worry about it.I shortcuted "running services " on my home screen and sometimes kill of unnecessary apps.

jwleonhart said:
Id rather have free memory for expansion if need be. i think of it like this. Would my pc run well if it only had 60mb free out of 512? Hell no
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Ive had to explain this a million times...android is not windows! You cant even compare how your phone works with how your pc works. Android is highly optimized for small footprint systems. It handles memory management far more efficiently than your desktop which almost doesnt need it due to large amounts of ram. A PC programer doesnt even need to take into account how much ram their process uses anymore (well, to a degree, unless it fills it all, which isnt good and usually doesnt happen) Dungeon Defenders also will easily run on our phone, when it opens, android will free the memory it needs for the app. Task killers are also a waste now since by android standards we have more than enough memory.
So to sum it all up
Android built to manage memory well, and for small footprint systems with lower amounts of ram
Desktop OS will use more ram as it has TONS of it and doesn't need to conserve battery, so it can have all kinds of processor and memory eating stuff running as it wants.
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Plz Explain Android Mutitasking

Can anybody explain how android handle multitasking.How such a famous OS is poor at mutitasking?For example when iam using stock browser with stock music player running in background,iam not able to use other apps like webster dictionary or xda app.Everytime one of the task gets automatically closed..So kindly explain how android os closes apps without permission from user? or before closing why dont android warn user to manually close the task according to piority.I think even symbian can do better multitasking than android.
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No expert to comment????
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It's due to low RAM.
When there's low amount of free RAM, android will kill some running apps to free up some.
I don't really know more details, but you can tweak this behavior using RAM scripts or your own lowmemorykiller values.
I think ~1GB of RAM (like SGS2) will be really good for multitasking, but SGS1 RAM is a bit low.

Here you go
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html

mammenj said:
Here you go
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html
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Thanks mammenj
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theos0o said:
It's due to low RAM.
When there's low amount of free RAM, android will kill some running apps to free up some.
I don't really know more details, but you can tweak this behavior using RAM scripts or your own lowmemorykiller values.
I think ~1GB of RAM (like SGS2) will be really good for multitasking, but SGS1 RAM is a bit low.
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As much as I want to get a SGS2, the battery life on my SGS with a 1650mah battery is too good to pass up right now.
Plus the SGS2 is too big of a form factor for my liking.
Honestly if the SGS released the exact same identical form factor successor with 1gb on board, I would buy it in a heartbeat.
I also have a Motorola Atrix, but I ****ing HATE Qhd! Sure the ram makes this phone much snappier, but the small text is a PITA that is almost a deal breaker for me...
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ccrows said:
As much as I want to get a SGS2, the battery life on my SGS with a 1650mah battery is too good to pass up right now.
Plus the SGS2 is too big of a form factor for my liking.
Honestly if the SGS released the exact same identical form factor successor with 1gb on board, I would buy it in a heartbeat.
I also have a Motorola Atrix, but I ****ing HATE Qhd! Sure the ram makes this phone much snappier, but the small text is a PITA that is almost a deal breaker for me...
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Doesn't the SGS 2 provide a better battery life than SGS without considering the extra battery?
For the Motorola Atrix, can't you try changing the LCD density or even the font size?

In this world of patents and sue sue it's harder to implement new ideas in anything even if it cam from youe own mind you will still have to check it first that is there anyone who has this idea before. i am hoping android will do great in future when pc quality hardware will come into these tiny devices, 2gb of ram quad core processors

Try talon kernel. It uses zram which is compressed virtual ram. You can have a half dozen apps open at once at the cost of brief lags swapping between them. I have listened to music, downloaded a 100mb file and Web surfed without any aap killing!
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dadyal said:
In this world of patents and sue sue it's harder to implement new ideas in anything even if it cam from youe own mind you will still have to check it first that is there anyone who has this idea before. i am hoping android will do great in future when pc quality hardware will come into these tiny devices, 2gb of ram quad core processors
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leaked specs of the Samsung Galaxy S3 say it will allegedly pack a 2GHz quad core into its 9mm metal and glass frame.
I'm getting me one of those when they are out.

Note 2 JB VS S3 JB. My observation

-Overall, it's smooth but S3 is smooth too. No one can differentiate.
-The extra ripple effect when you release your hand while in the lockscreen is not present. This means that, that ripple effect that users have accustomed to in ICS will not be present in JB rom. Damn you Samsung!
-2GB of Ram equals extreme multitasking. No need to uninstall bloatwares.
-Smart rotation. a feature that can be easily enabled in S3 JB rom.
-Quick glance. while the phone's screen is turned off, user can put their hand in front of the top of the phone to summon notification for missed calls, and messages. I think this is useless.
-Multi Window. This is really a useful feature. Samfirmware tweeted that S3 will get it as well, but I'm not holding my breath. Samsung could say that S3 screen is not optimized for this feature or other ridiculous reason.
-There is no widget for "direct call, smart stay, voice cmd and S beam". this is really weird because S3 have it
So far, after trying Note 2 for a few minutes, I still love my S3. The reason is really simple, Note 2 is too large to be used as a phone. S3 is already pushing the limit, at least for me.

stfudude said:
-Overall, it's smooth but S3 is smooth too. No one can differentiate.
-The extra ripple effect when you release your hand while in the lockscreen is not present. This means that, that ripple effect that users have accustomed to in ICS will not be present in JB rom. Damn you Samsung!
-2GB of Ram equals extreme multitasking. No need to uninstall bloatwares.
-Smart rotation. a feature that can be easily enabled in S3 JB rom.
-Quick glance. while the phone's screen is turned off, user can put their hand in front of the top of the phone to summon notification for missed calls, and messages. I think this is useless.
-Multi Window. This is really a useful feature. Samfirmware tweeted that S3 will get it as well, but I'm not holding my breath. Samsung could say that S3 screen is not optimized for this feature or other ridiculous reason.
-There is no widget for "direct call, smart stay, voice cmd and S beam". this is really weird because S3 have it
So far, after trying Note 2 for a few minutes, I still love my S3. The reason is really simple, Note 2 is too large to be used as a phone. S3 is already pushing the limit, at least for me.
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2Gb of ram is definitely equivalent to extreme multitasking. All those people who said "unused ram is wasted ram" despite my many attempts to explain how processors work, irrespective of the linux kernel, can't say anything about this now.
Anyway, multi-window is the only feature that I really want, but I doubt we'll get it.

stfudude said:
So far, after trying Note 2 for a few minutes, I still love my S3. The reason is really simple, Note 2 is too large to be used as a phone. S3 is already pushing the limit, at least for me.
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Which is why the I9305 is perfect in my opinion.

disclaimernotice said:
2Gb of ram is definitely equivalent to extreme multitasking. All those people who said "unused ram is wasted ram" despite my many attempts to explain how processors work, irrespective of the linux kernel, can't say anything about this now.
Anyway, multi-window is the only feature that I really want, but I doubt we'll get it.
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Unused ram IS wasted ram.
Nobody said that more ram isn't better, but empty ram is useless to you.
Ram uses the same amount of power whether it is full or empty.
Having full ram means more programs loaded and ready to go, less clock cycles, more efficient system.
you could have 1TB of ram, but if there is only 600mb of stuff in it, its a waste.
So, unused ram is wasted ram.
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Unused ram IS wasted ram.
Nobody said that more ram isn't better, but empty ram is useless to you.
Ram uses the same amount of power whether it is full or empty.
Having full ram means more programs loaded and ready to go, less clock cycles, more efficient system.
you could have 1TB of ram, but if there is only 600mb of stuff in it, its a waste.
So, unused ram is wasted ram.
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Flipside of that is that most of us never argued that unused ram is wasted ram as to power cosumption, but that it should be our ram to waste and that i9300 is seriously lacking in multitasking department when stock, because of lack of free ram not even rivaling sgs2.
Or how easy it is to load slim rom, posting screenshots of freshly reset firmware without third party apps, or screen of ram usage before all the services are loaded, or screen of freshly cleared ram, none of which are representative of real world usage.
As I recall the original thread, that mantra has always been spoken in a way strongly hinting like we got plenty and don't need more, now just adding "we never said more is not better".
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Idan73 said:
Flipside of that is that most of us never argued that unused ram is wasted ram as to power cosumption, but that it should be our ram to waste and that i9300 is seriously lacking in multitasking department when stock, because of lack of free ram not even rivaling sgs2.
As I recall the original thread, that mantra has always been spoken in a way strongly hinting like we got plenty and don't need more, now just adding "we never said more is not better".
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Nobody ever said less ram is better than more, at least not that I know of.
If they did they were talking sh*t.
I'm speaking from a factual point of view, not a butthurt, trying to defend my purchase point of view.
I would love if the i9300 got 2gb of ram.
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Which is why the I9305 is perfect in my opinion.
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If only I9305 get as much support as I9300..

I am not targeting specifically you, as I know from your posts you're pretty even handed and factual person.
Referring to the whole discussion at the time of release of the phone when we found out nam versions are coming with 2gb of ram.
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If only I9305 get as much support as I9300..
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Never gonna happen.
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Idan73 said:
I am not targeting specifically you, as I know from your posts you're pretty even handed and factual person.
Referring to the whole discussion at the time of release of the phone when we found out nam versions are coming with 2gb of ram.
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Ya we got a raw deal when it came to ram.
But that's touchwizs fault, my nexus 7 has 'only' 1gb of ram and it multitasks like a boss.
Samsung screwed the pooch when they put tw on a phone with 1gb of ram.
The S3 isn't the phone it should have been, it should have had an exynos 5 CPU and 2gb of ram.
From now on I won't buy anything Samsung because vanilla android just runs so much better than skinned versions and it isn't ugly anymore.
Plus the 4.1.1 update hasn't dropped for everyone yet and my gnex and N7 are on 4.1.2 for over a week.
With 4.2 probably being announced on the 29th I think the S3 won't ever see it.
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totally agree
me yesterday go play note 2 (officially release in my country)
everything is same, play until boring

nodstuff said:
Unused ram IS wasted ram.
Nobody said that more ram isn't better, but empty ram is useless to you.
Ram uses the same amount of power whether it is full or empty.
Having full ram means more programs loaded and ready to go, less clock cycles, more efficient system.
you could have 1TB of ram, but if there is only 600mb of stuff in it, its a waste.
So, unused ram is wasted ram.
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Not exactly. If you have less than 100mb of free ram, when you start an app, the processor has to close several background processes in order for the app to start and work properly. This causes a momentary lag. Similarly, if you minimise an graphics intensive game to read your messages, the game is closed to obtain more ram.

disclaimernotice said:
Not exactly. If you have less than 100mb of free ram, when you start an app, the processor has to close several background processes in order for the app to start and work properly. This causes a momentary lag. Similarly, if you minimise an graphics intensive game to read your messages, the game is closed to obtain more ram.
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That applies if you have too little ram, and I agree too little ram is not good.
My point is if you have ram and it isn't being used then it is wasted ram.
Ram is supposed to be utilised.
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If only I9305 get as much support as I9300..
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Well Even with the Mods and tweaks available right now, It is more smooth and fluid then my BEST setup I had with the I9300. So I think about it like this. Everyone is trying to find the rom which makes there phone run beautifully. Well I already have the setup . And anything that comes now is going to be a bonus. It really has only been a few weeks since a few of the devs got there hands on the devices, and I think we are moving quite nicely. Soon we will have enough dev support to make us all happy. Soon as someone starts porting roms or Creating thats when the fun really begins. We already have 3 Roms which are Basic but its still a start And I can wait as the way my phone feels right now Is absolute butterness < if thats even a word

Note2 jb no lag but think maybe due to 2gm ram

nodstuff said:
That applies if you have too little ram, and I agree too little ram is not good.
My point is if you have ram and it isn't being used then it is wasted ram.
Ram is supposed to be utilised.
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If you have free ram then it will be reserved for more apps to be loaded which means more rams you have then more apps can be run smoothly so I wouldn't say its wasted ram. More rams you have then More apps can be loaded and stay on background and process smoothly by users input.
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In my opinion more ram is more good for our devices because yes ram does run the applications and removes a lot of lag.....I have i9300 but I am very angry that why Samsung just releases their s3 new version and broke the trust of old s3 users.....
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mustang2012 said:
If you have free ram then it will be reserved for more apps to be loaded which means more rams you have then more apps can be run smoothly so I wouldn't say its wasted ram. More rams you have then More apps can be loaded and stay on background and process smoothly by users input.
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Can you not read what I said?
You are basically saying what I said, more ram is better.
Un-utilised ram, is wasted.
What is so hard to understand about this concept.
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nodstuff said:
Can you not read what I said?
You are basically saying what I said, more ram is better.
Un-utilised ram, is wasted.
What is so hard to understand about this concept.
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Yes I read it already but if there is more ram the more apps u can open at a single time example when ever u open ur dailer first time it takes 3 seconds to open which feels so much annoying at some times but if u have More ram then the dailer would be covered by extra ram until u use a lot of apps together...
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nodstuff said:
Unused ram IS wasted ram.
Nobody said that more ram isn't better, but empty ram is useless to you.
Ram uses the same amount of power whether it is full or empty.
Having full ram means more programs loaded and ready to go, less clock cycles, more efficient system.
you could have 1TB of ram, but if there is only 600mb of stuff in it, its a waste.
So, unused ram is wasted ram.
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In my experience, keeping the ram free is better. Your phone/tablet is smoother and faster. And there is a logical explanation for that. The OS is loading in background data from applications. If you use one of those applications, yes, it will launch faster. But if not, room has to be made, so in fact you have to wait more then.
You don't save anything by letting the apps load to full ram. In fact, you consume more resources like this, because you can have loaded apps that you don't really need/use any time soon.
It's just a gimmick. Let's load some apps, when the phone is idle, based on what ever criteria so when the user is actually launching that app, he will have the impression that the phone is faster. But your are depending on the accuracy of that criteria.
Limiting the number of background processes works wonders for me. Maybe not so much for my S3, but for other lesser devices it's very obvious.

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In my experience, keeping the ram free is better. Your phone/tablet is smoother and faster. And there is a logical explanation for that. The OS is loading in background data from applications. If you use one of those applications, yes, it will launch faster. But if not, room has to be made, so in fact you have to wait more then.
You don't save anything by letting the apps load to full ram. In fact, you consume more resources like this, because you can have loaded apps that you don't really need/use any time soon.
It's just a gimmick. Let's load some apps, when the phone is idle, based on what ever criteria so when the user is actually launching that app, he will have the impression that the phone is faster. But your are depending on the accuracy of that criteria.
Limiting the number of background processes works wonders for me. Maybe not so much for my S3, but for other lesser devices it's very obvious.
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Nonsense.
Ask anybody that knows anything about computer systems and they will tell you it is better to have a program in ram waiting to be used.
It DOES load faster, it is the basis of all os's today.
It gives the impression that it loads faster because it does load faster.
No you don't consume more resources like that, by keeping apps open in ram you cut down on clock cycles associated with opening that app every time you want to use it, yes sometimes apps are dumped out of ram but that is because the system needs more ram for a bigger app and bumps out whatever it seems necessary because of oom settings.
Limiting background processes beyond a certain point means you are losing efficiency, battery and performance.
Fact.
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Last breaths of Galaxy S (Games that's unsupported for us.)

I see device unsupported text on market for most of new gameloft, glu mobile games and even on arcane legends..
But I downloaded apk's of them from another sites. Most of them works fine.
Are devs stop supporting galaxy s because of low hardware? Or is it a temp thing? Because I'm sure my phone can handle these games.
What you think?
I will make a list of them and post apk's here to download. (only free ones)
Maybe we can survive a bit more like that.
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I got myself a sgs while my hox is on repair, i must say this phone is more than capable to run good games, most of the games (except thd) work just fine, be it 2d or 3d. So i hope this is is just something temp
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burakgon said:
I see device unsupported text on market for most of new gameloft, glu mobile games and even on arcane legends..
But I downloaded apk's of them from another sites. Most of them works fine.
Are devs stop supporting galaxy s because of low hardware? Or is it a temp thing? Because I'm sure my phone can handle these games.
What you think?
I will make a list of them and post apk's here to download. (only free ones)
Maybe we can survive a bit more like that.
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This may sound stupid, but I've always wondered since the SGS shares the same gpu (albeit downclocked) as the Gnexus, despite having a considerably worse CPU, it shouldn't be too hard to run games, and the SGS has to render less resolution than the Gnexus does it not?
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ballsofsteel said:
This may sound stupid, but I've always wondered since the SGS shares the same gpu (albeit downclocked) as the Gnexus, despite having a considerably worse CPU, it shouldn't be too hard to run games, and the SGS has to render less resolution than the Gnexus does it not?
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The bottleneck of this phone is lack of RAM (and to some extent storage speed, especially the older units). If it had 768 MB it would be chugging along much better in the newer games and 4.x ROMs.

Nothing changed still legend,old but good :thumbup:
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One game it's said to be unsuportted is Need for Speed The Most wanted. I tried to install the apk, and it runs quite well. Actvating swap even seem to be faster without lagging. The low memory is in fact very limiting to use this games, but some of them can be quite playable.

Ya, low RAM does pose some serious issues.
In Value Pack with Semaphore 2.74 , we have 366MB RAM , out of which about 240MB is always consumed.
When I run Dead Trigger , it consumes 180MB RAM on high settings and eventually crashes.
Also , NFS MW freezes when RAM is low.
These problems are almost gone in CM10 based ROM , if we use a kernel with 391MB RAM, where we get about 180MB free RAM on idle. But CM camera does not support Scene Modes , which is a major let down for me, forcing me to stay with GB..