I've noticed that on my phone the available memory is usually somewhere around 90-110.. Is this normal?
Alot of other android phones with 512mb of ram seem to have like 200mb free all the time, why the difference?
Probably because the vibrant doesn't have 512mb of ram
You really don't have to worry about that, Android is built to take care of our RAM, multi-tasking.
So go ahead and uninstall that task killer.
Maybe your phone have the Auto Memory Manager software
I prefer to just have the task killer... every once i na while when it gets really slow I just pop it open and close everything out and it works wonderful.
Are you on CM7?
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FYI that is plenty of ram, and completely normal, i normally have less ram available for use around 60mb, problem with killing tasks is that it can end up eating battery life as certain programs auto restart and while they are in ram they arent using any processing power, but when you kill them and they come back you end up unnecessarily eating power.
if you do it only occasionally to kill off rogue apps that dont like to go away after you have exited that is fine, but do not set to auto kill.
the reason for your lower ram availability is that tho the vibrant does have 512 mb of ram a good portion of it is dedicated to system functions only leaving around 300-350 MB for the user. unless you are leaving multiple games open you shouldnt have any issues with ram as previously stated due to the built in ram maintenance in android
And ive heard that android works best when its ram ia being used up... strange huh?
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And ive heard that android works best when its ram ia being used up... strange huh?
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yes. free ram is wasted ram.
Id rather have free memory for expansion if need be. i think of it like this. Would my pc run well if it only had 60mb free out of 512? Hell no
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Id rather have free memory for expansion if need be. i think of it like this. Would my pc run well if it only had 60mb free out of 512? Hell no
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yes, if you were running linux. which is what android is.
Granted free ram is wasted but not enough free ram is why dungeon defenders barely works, the developers suggest 256mb ram and as hard as I try I couldn't free up 200mb even. But the 339mb or whatever isn't all that much to begin with.
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Granted free ram is wasted but not enough free ram is why dungeon defenders barely works, the developers suggest 256mb ram and as hard as I try I couldn't free up 200mb even. But the 339mb or whatever isn't all that much to begin with.
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Dungeon Defenders works good on our phone. I played it for months. But it lags on larger map because it is really for dual core phones.
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Dungeon Defenders is a dog on anything other than low graphics and single player. Start up multiplayer and the phone can't handle it for anything.
I really would like to be able to have more free memory. Right now i'm showing 32mb free and honestly to me that's just too little to have free at any one time.
Can someone remind me why our actual 512mb of ram is limited to 339mb? I thought our GPU also had independant memory or am I wrong? Out of everything samsung did.... a little bit more memory wouldn't have killed them.
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Dungeon Defenders is a dog on anything other than low graphics and single player. Start up multiplayer and the phone can't handle it for anything.
I really would like to be able to have more free memory. Right now i'm showing 32mb free and honestly to me that's just too little to have free at any one time.
Can someone remind me why our actual 512mb of ram is limited to 339mb? I thought our GPU also had independant memory or am I wrong? Out of everything samsung did.... a little bit more memory wouldn't have killed them.
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Are you having trouble with multitasking?
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Dungeon Defenders is a dog on anything other than low graphics and single player. Start up multiplayer and the phone can't handle it for anything.
I really would like to be able to have more free memory. Right now i'm showing 32mb free and honestly to me that's just too little to have free at any one time.
Can someone remind me why our actual 512mb of ram is limited to 339mb? I thought our GPU also had independant memory or am I wrong? Out of everything samsung did.... a little bit more memory wouldn't have killed them.
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We do have 512 but the system requirements uses a good portion of it that's why you see 339.It automatically frees up more ram when it needs to.I wouldn't worry about it.I shortcuted "running services " on my home screen and sometimes kill of unnecessary apps.
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Id rather have free memory for expansion if need be. i think of it like this. Would my pc run well if it only had 60mb free out of 512? Hell no
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Ive had to explain this a million times...android is not windows! You cant even compare how your phone works with how your pc works. Android is highly optimized for small footprint systems. It handles memory management far more efficiently than your desktop which almost doesnt need it due to large amounts of ram. A PC programer doesnt even need to take into account how much ram their process uses anymore (well, to a degree, unless it fills it all, which isnt good and usually doesnt happen) Dungeon Defenders also will easily run on our phone, when it opens, android will free the memory it needs for the app. Task killers are also a waste now since by android standards we have more than enough memory.
So to sum it all up
Android built to manage memory well, and for small footprint systems with lower amounts of ram
Desktop OS will use more ram as it has TONS of it and doesn't need to conserve battery, so it can have all kinds of processor and memory eating stuff running as it wants.
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Guys, how can I get my samsung vibrant to recognize all the 512mb of ram. I thought froyo has all the software and kernels and stuff to recognize the full 512mb of my phone not just 308mb. Do I need to flash a new kernel or something. I have the nero v3 rom on my phone, with voodoo enabled. So how do we fix this?
308 MB you phone is showing you is the correct amount, your phone does have 512 MB of RAM total. However, part of that is used by the phone and android system to supply your phone's graphics card and other functions such as a RAM disk if I remembered correctly. In addition, You don't want your phone to run out of memory because you are running a game and missed that all important call right? well part of the RAM is reserved to keep the "phone" portion of the Android working.
It is a common misconception that Froyo will "unlock" this hidden RAM, but in reality we are already using all the RAM that came with the phone. The reason some HTC phone shows 512 MB of RAM is either because the phone is reading the "TotaL" amount of RAM or in the case of G2 the phone actually came with more than 512 MB of ram but advertised as 512 MB (the extra RAM is used in the same way as the Vibrant, GPU/Ram disk/Android, etc).
What about the iphone, my cousin always gets 300t mb of free memory on his iphone 4. Android can't be that much of a ram hog. By the way doesn't the power vr gpu have dedicated ram for it self, I man come on, its a high end phone. Samsung is really messing up on there phones.
My question is *why* do you need more free RAM? Are you really running out, ever? Don't think of it like a PC where you need free RAM as overhead when apps start utilizing more and more. Android will free up more RAM as necessary by killing apps that are preloaded in the background. I've never run into a situation where I've run out of memory, couldn't even tell you what happens when you do. I don't use task-killers, run a ton of widgets, and I've never seen it dip below 60-70mb free.
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My question is *why* do you need more free RAM? Are you really running out, ever? Don't think of it like a PC where you need free RAM as overhead when apps start utilizing more and more. Android will free up more RAM as necessary by killing apps that are preloaded in the background. I've never run into a situation where I've run out of memory, couldn't even tell you what happens when you do. I don't use task-killers, run a ton of widgets, and I've never seen it dip below 60-70mb free.[/QUOTE
Yes I do run out of ram. Every time I watch a flash video and while leaving no heavy ram using apps to be multitasked, after I finish my vigo and go back to my other apps I finder them killed. It gets on my nerves. I expected more out of 512mb. I also spent too much money for my phone for it to perform under shar what it's specified.
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I run autokiller and always have 150ish.free. even if I didn't run it I would never run out id ram even when I had my g1
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So much for multitasking, right?
Phone has 384 app accessible ram. Typically runs with ~100ish free after a fresh boot with a stock ROM. The browser can take ~30mb, so that doesn't leave much to multitasking with. When ur phone starts auto killing performance decreases. They should have h put the aeverised ram in the phone, instead of playing the semantics game. Even Verizon updated their fascinate specs to change that to 384.
I'll make sure to check this before I buy my next phone in a couple weeks tho (soooo excited!!!).
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So much for multitasking, right?
Phone has 384 apparently accessible ram. Even Verizon updated their fascinate specs to change that.
Galaxy tab uses the same social and its alwaysvshowing 400+ MB ram on everyone I checked.
I'll make sure to check this before I buy my next phone in a couple weeks tho (soooo excited!!!).
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This means that this is a software issue, not hardware because the tab has the same processor found in the vibrant. 400t is allot better than just 300, not only but the tab also requires more resources with it's 720p screen.
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This means that this is a software issue, not hardware because the tab has the same processor found in the vibrant. 400t is allot better than just 300, not only but the tab also requires more resources with it's 720p screen.
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It's not a software issue.
And yes, 100MB RAM in a smartphone is a lot.
It's like getting a computer with 4GB RAM and ripping a 2GB RAM stick out out of it.
There's 128 MB RAM that isn't accessible to the system The OS itself probably uses abut 100+ MB RAM, and once you start installing applications/services that start eating up resources.
Some say the 128 is dedicated graphics ram (fast graphics RAM to allow the Hummingbird to achieve it's faster GPU performance). What a waste. I'll make sure my next phone isn't built like a game console.
They should have at least added another 64MB RAM the way HTC did in the HD2/HD7.
The phone has as much App RAM as a mid-range Android device (think HTC Aria). It's factorable, especially if you want to multitask. Running multiple applications on this phone, I basically have to manage my apps they way I did on Windows Mobile (i.e. open task manager to FC the browser, etc.) because you don't want to be playing a game or doing anything somewhat important when the phone starts trying to auto-close background tasks to recover RAM (and some services will simply restart themselves immediately).
Good phone, bad execution in the software, and they should not have advertised it as having 512 RAM, because to anyone that isn't an idiot Graphics RAM is not synonymous with Application RAM, and 128 less RAM is quite a big chunk to be missing.
...Graphics RAM is not synonymous with Application RAM, and 128 less RAM is quite a big chunk to be missing.
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Virtually every computer on the shelf at Wally-World and Best Buy do exactly this - the motherboard graphics chip uses system RAM to operate. Admittedly does not directly correlate to a phone, and they should make a disclosure, but there is ample precedent in the general marketplace.
I don't understand why some of you attribute a free RAM amount (or lack thereof) as a memory hog?
If RAM is used instead of slower disk I/O it translates to a better user experience, the OS is good on keeping the taps on the memory and clean the thrash by itself, but nothing can prevent poor coding and a single rouge app can become the memory hog independent of how much RAM your system has, it might eat all of it.
The real problem is that the phone has only about 150mb of free ram and that'd on boot up. If the phone does have some ram dedicated to the gpu from the system ram (known as shared ram) then why
Don't other android devices do that too, and the iphone has more free ram on boot up then what is user acsesable to me. I thought the gloriose sgx540 had it's own high end dedicated ram for graphics?
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So much for multitasking, right?
Phone has 384 app accessible ram. Typically runs with ~100ish free after a fresh boot with a stock ROM. The browser can take ~30mb, so that doesn't leave much to multitasking with. When ur phone starts auto killing performance decreases. They should have h put the aeverised ram in the phone, instead of playing the semantics game. Even Verizon updated their fascinate specs to change that to 384.
I'll make sure to check this before I buy my next phone in a couple weeks tho (soooo excited!!!).
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If you hate your vibrant so much why do you spend so much time on the forums? Dont seem to contribute much so just go get a new phone and leave us alone.
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If you hate your vibrant so much why do you spend so much time on the forums? Dont seem to contribute much so just go get a new phone and leave us alone.
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The real problem is that the phone has only about 150mb of free ram and that'd on boot up. If the phone does have some ram dedicated to the gpu from the system ram (known as shared ram) then why
Don't other android devices do that too, and the iphone has more free ram on boot up then what is user acsesable to me. I thought the gloriose sgx540 had it's own high end dedicated ram for graphics?
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And how is that a problem?
Do you have an immediate need for something that requires 150+ MB after the boot?
Here's an absolutely healthy linux system with 2GB of RAM:
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free
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 2049868 1982076 67792 0 146988 840748
-/+ buffers/cache: 994340 1055528
Swap: 6008824 820 6008004
I will be worried if my swap is being used a lot, but using my memory on the system is good.
I agree with this. 512 advertised, 308 seen, 150 Available after a boot....my phone keeps running out of memory so often its sad. It can never run my music player and my gps software at the same time. When I switch between the 2 apps, it closes the other one and its really really sad to see. ****ty job samsung, ****ty job. I hope the galaxy s mod gets ported for the ram which opens 338mb. At least its something.
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It can never run my music player and my gps software at the same time.
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I just went on a 700+ mile car trip with the music player and gps navigation software running the entire time. No problem. Was even able to simultaneously play games while my wife was driving.
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I agree with this. 512 advertised, 308 seen, 150 Available after a boot....my phone keeps running out of memory so often its sad. It can never run my music player and my gps software at the same time. When I switch between the 2 apps, it closes the other one and its really really sad to see. ****ty job samsung, ****ty job. I hope the galaxy s mod gets ported for the ram which opens 338mb. At least its something.
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you have a rouge app/apps running that memory hog your phone, getting 30MB of more available RAM will not save it. You need to find what is hogging your phone, I am yet to see a message that my phone is low on memory, sometimes I do a lot of browsing, txt, mytracks and playing music with Pandora or stock player at the same time and it never complained that it was low on memory to run these.
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If you hate your vibrant so much why do you spend so much time on the forums? Dont seem to contribute much so just go get a new phone and leave us alone.
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Who said that I hate my phone.I'm only truong to find out shar mashes it not recognize all it's ram. In this era, ram is a huge factor to run apps and most importantly newer os updates like ginger bread and honey comb. Don't wanna run out of ram right when you boot up your phone don't you? And if the tab can recognize more ram than this then this means it does gave something to do with software. I guess we have to wait for samsung to release froyo, because im sure that they will gave all threw tweaks that will boost this phone very high, bedside from shar I've noticed, all the,roms out thete dont really boost this phone allot. How do I know,i gave nero v3 and that only boosted me to 1137 on quadrant from 2.1 and with voodo enabled I get 1500 max on quadrant. Oclf the same thing too. so all I'm saying is that it's definitely a software issue. Pretty sure android does not hog 400mbt. And no sgx has its own ram for sure.
I still don't get how you're running out of RAM. Right now I've got Winamp streaming through BT and have started streaming a Flash video. Also running are XDA and Maps. No hiccups.
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am getting a bit concerned, only got 250mb, of ram left, and have only installed a few apps. Am just worried what will happen, when i download more apps, since most apps, despite being able to save them on the memory card willl still have to use the ram.?
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am getting a bit concerned, only got 250mb, of ram left, and have only installed a few apps. Am just worried what will happen, when i download more apps, since most apps, despite being able to save them on the memory card willl still have to use the ram.?
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I have 7 screens in the main menu full of games now on my Xperia Play. And have 149MB free space. Use the SD card for apps, thats why it came with a 16GB card. If you need to move your apps to make space go to "settings" then "applications" then "manage applications" then on the top "On SD card". Any that are not ticked can be moved to SD card to make room.
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I have 7 screens in the main menu full of games now on my Xperia Play. And have 149MB free space. Use the SD card for apps, thats why it came with a 16GB card. If you need to move your apps to make space go to "settings" then "applications" then "manage applications" then on the top "On SD card". Any that are not ticked can be moved to SD card to make room.
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Thanks but this is what i mean you are already left with 150 mb so really this should be bad news. How many games have you got if you please don't do not mind me asking?.
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I have 7 screens in the main menu full of games now on my Xperia Play. And have 149MB free space. Use the SD card for apps, thats why it came with a 16GB card. If you need to move your apps to make space go to "settings" then "applications" then "manage applications" then on the top "On SD card". Any that are not ticked can be moved to SD card to make room.
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how do you add/remove homescreens? i am only using one at the moment and really want to get rid of the blank ones!!
39 games on my xperia play. You think this is low then you should know it was allot lower on my other phones especially my nexus one. This things a god send. Also bare in mine I have tango installed which takes 50mb almost.
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You unfortunately can't. But it takes no processes extra so don't worry. You can remove on some custom roms but they haven't started on them yet, although CM will be on it me thinks maybe when this thing gets rooted.
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Ahh I see, thanks.
100 mb of ram is even enough, don't see why you need more?
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100 mb of ram is even enough, don't see why you need more?
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Must admit this is very true.
Thanks for the replies was just worried cause I kinda prefer loading a lot of Apps and games andand two months down the line i don't want to find out i have loads of memory on my memory card but unable to add any more apps or games.
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Thanks for the replies was just worried cause I kinda prefer loading a lot of Apps and games andand two months down the line i don't want to find out i have loads of memory on my memory card but unable to add any more apps or games.
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Hmm, when you say "loading a lot of apps and games" do you mean running two games at once?
Downloading doesn't have to do with Ram availability. You can download everything as long as you have free space in your memory card .... But running them all is not a good idea even if you have 1gb free ram
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this isn't windows mobile you guys... windows mobile stored applications in ram, and most winmo devices need a hud battery (hold-up battery) to maintain that application store when the main battery died. ANYWAY...
ram does not equal app storeage on android. Your apps can be downloaded to nand or sd card...
the xperia play has like 1GB nand/flash for the OS and data partition, plus apps2sd gives you virtually limitless app storeage. That is in the addition to the 400mb of RAM. Remember RAM and NAND/FLASH are 2 completely separate things. Volitile and non-volitile. RAM needs constant flow of power to retain information, NAND does not.
the 400mb of ram is useable at all times regardless of the quanity of applications installed, it's only effected by current running apps, and even with only 100-200mb free ram... that's plenty of any program you want to run, the memory management in android will assure that the active running app will have adaquate resources to run the app you are wanting to run, it silently closes inactive apps in the background to make most efficent use of that 400mb
sorry for breaking it down like barney, but it appears it was needed from the question and the responces that some people maybe didn't understand the question or situation exactly.
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this isn't windows mobile you guys... windows mobile stored applications in ram, and most winmo devices need a hud battery (hold-up battery) to maintain that application store when the main battery died. ANYWAY...
ram does not equal app storeage on android. Your apps can be downloaded to nand or sd card...
the xperia play has like 1GB nand/flash for the OS and data partition, plus apps2sd gives you virtually limitless app storeage. That is in the addition to the 400mb of RAM. Remember RAM and NAND/FLASH are 2 completely separate things. Volitile and non-volitile. RAM needs constant flow of power to retain information, NAND does not.
the 400mb of ram is useable at all times regardless of the quanity of applications installed, it's only effected by current running apps, and even with only 100-200mb free ram... that's plenty of any program you want to run, the memory management in android will assure that the active running app will have adaquate resources to run the app you are wanting to run, it silently closes inactive apps in the background to make most efficent use of that 400mb
sorry for breaking it down like barney, but it appears it was needed from the question and the responces that some people maybe didn't understand the question or situation exactly.
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Lol, it's not a good idea to generalize your post like that, it's really insulting to talk to us like we don't know the difference between a Ram and Nand/Flash Rom
My understanding of the question as is 400mb Ram enough or not? Hence my answer is yes, having 100 mb free ram space is more than enough
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Lol, it's not a good idea to generalize your post like that, it's really insulting to talk to us like we don't know the difference between a Ram and Nand/Flash Rom
My understanding of the question as is 400mb Ram enough or not? Hence my answer is yes, having 100 mb free ram space is more than enough
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I wasn't meaning it to be insulting and it's hard to tell where people are at on the technical level, but as a first time android person, and in sometimes first time smartphone person things can be a little confusing.
I just wanted to make sure the foundation was good in case there was any confusion.
Like I said I didn't mean it to be insulting, I'm honestly trying to help.
is'nt it really 512mb ram? but i think the system holds off a certain amount to run the OS or something so we're kinda left with 400mb. that said i think the real thing here is WE are'nt left with anything as WE dont do anything with the 400mb, the OS uses as it pleases depending on how many apps are running, surely? but i think johnsongrantr put it well....
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is'nt it really 512mb ram? but i think the system holds off a certain amount to run the OS or something so we're kinda left with 400mb. that said i think the real thing here is WE are'nt left with anything as WE dont do anything with the 400mb, the OS uses as it pleases depending on how many apps are running, surely? but i think johnsongrantr put it well....
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yea I have no idea how they got 400, base 2 doesn't land on 400. Maybe 256 + 128 chips and they rounded to 400? No clue, I'd be curious to find that out myself.
I bet that ~112mb is probably shared video memory or something stupid like that. Everywhere I read has said 400mb though.
EDIT: it's 512, with 112 reserved for something that is not identified. Check the first couple paragraphs.
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2011/04/01/xperia™-play-hits-the-stores/
A lot of people here seem a little confused on what the Xperia Play has in terms of memory. I'll do my best to explain this without insulting anyones intelligence.
So the Xperia Play has 1GB of app storage which is basically the equivalent of hard drive space that a PC would have. This is used in conjunction with the SD card to store apps. It's also the same memory used for the OS. So it has 1gb of this memory, but ONLY 400mb is usable because most of it is used by the OS and bloatware.
So where the Xperia Play had 1gb, the DroidX has 8gbs. So really the Play has crap for storage.
Then on top of that the Xperia Play has 512mb of Ram. Everyone knows what that is, so I wont explain that. But this really isn't different from most high end Android phones.
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@tornlogic- The Xperia play has dual channel RAM which is first in class and provides 2x performance boost to normal ram. Its the quality that matters, not the quantity.
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@tornlogic- The Xperia play has dual channel RAM which is first in class and provides 2x performance boost to normal ram. Its the quality that matters, not the quantity.
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This is where people are confused. I said that the Xperia Play has 512mb of Ram which is what most highend Android phones have. And that's great! I mean the Bionic will have a gig, but who cares? So why would you tell me quality matters not quantity when I said that 512mb is fine and dandy?
Its the 400mb of user storage, which is NOT dual channel I have a problem with.
Think of the 400mb storage as the phone's hard drive. You can throw the sd card in the trash, and the phone will work just fine. You can still dl apps, save photo, documents and whatever your little heart desires without an SD card. Its all stored on the 400mb of space Sony thinks is a lot, but actually isn't.
Again, my DX has 8gb of storage. The Sony has 400mb. Both phones have 512mb of RAM, with the Sony having dual channel RAM, NOT dual channel storage. Clear?
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Lol, see now I was the one confused, I have seen the 400mb number quoted as the ram on many websites, I think even engadget. But that makes much more sense now that it's 400mb free NAND after the system image. Something wasn't matching up right with the numbers.
Thanks for the info about the dual channel ram, I didnt know that either.
I've read that 1 of the 2gb of RAM is used for the touchwiz so you effectively only have 1gb. If you install a custom rom, ie. cyanogenmod, do you get to use the full 2gb then?
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I've read that 1 of the 2gb of RAM is used for the touchwiz so you effectively only have 1gb. If you install a custom rom, ie. cyanogenmod, do you get to use the full 2gb then?
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Pretty sure its ICS that takes up the space and its not a full GB. I don't have the phone but a friend has around 1.6 - 1.7 Gigs free at max.
I don't think that would work out, considering the international GS3 has 1GB of RAM and runs TouchWiz.
So much confusion, let's spell this out. First of all our phones have 2gb ram, period. The GPU requires about 0.38gb of the system's 2gb because it doesn't have its own onboard memory. So no matter what software you run, you'll be starting out around 1.62 available.
Different operating systems, frameworks, skins, and applications will have different memory footprints. Touchwiz is probably a bit heavier than AOSP (CM/AOKP), so after a clean boot you'll probably have more free ram running an AOSP variant.
Honestly its all kind of moot at this point however, because I doubt in either situation most people get anywhere near using the all remaining RAM with current ROM offerings. Key lime pie may be another story.
Yeah to his point about not using the RAM is just stupid, unused ram is wasted ram meaning you have it for nothing, for example on stock cm9 you got 1.2 gb free most of the time, 500-600mb free, touchwiz manage ram better but still leaves a lot behind, look up what ram does and you will understand why unused ram is useless
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Yeah to his point about not using the RAM is just stupid, unused ram is wasted ram meaning you have it for nothing, for example on stock cm9 you got 1.2 gb free most of the time, 500-600mb free, touchwiz manage ram better but still leaves a lot behind, look up what ram does and you will understand why unused ram is useless
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Isn't it ideal to have unused RAM so that when you open apps and multitask, you the memory to keep them alive? Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but if we never had unused Ram then we would never be able to multitask, right?
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Isn't it ideal to have unused RAM so that when you open apps and multitask, you the memory to keep them alive? Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but if we never had unused Ram then we would never be able to multitask, right?
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To a certain extent, I for one think there's no reason to try and utilize all of it for nothing. And it's pointless to complain about having extra
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This is quote from something I read in pc mag
" This has to do with extremes. Remember that every so many cycles (don't remember on current ram), your memory has to completely refresh its contents. If you have an extra 16GB that you never use, then you waste time refreshing all of that ram. Also on this note, higher densities, and larger quantities are harder on your controller. For maximum speed and stability, use ram appropriate for your usage pattern"
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jgalan14 said:
This is quote from something I read in pc mag
" This has to do with extremes. Remember that every so many cycles (don't remember on current ram), your memory has to completely refresh its contents. If you have an extra 16GB that you never use, then you waste time refreshing all of that ram. Also on this note, higher densities, and larger quantities are harder on your controller. For maximum speed and stability, use ram appropriate for your usage pattern"
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While that is true, ram come in discrete chunks and 2 gb is noticeably better than 1. At a certain threshold the memory manager kills off old apps to free up ram. More ram means more recently used apps remain loaded and available sooner plus i have no issues with many pages open in a browser. I typically run with around 600 mb free. Only my dell streak i would often be under 100 and unless i manually closed apps it really bogged down.
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1gb of ram is not for TW and the rest for apps....its 2gb total...in reality like 15mb total
-Overall, it's smooth but S3 is smooth too. No one can differentiate.
-The extra ripple effect when you release your hand while in the lockscreen is not present. This means that, that ripple effect that users have accustomed to in ICS will not be present in JB rom. Damn you Samsung!
-2GB of Ram equals extreme multitasking. No need to uninstall bloatwares.
-Smart rotation. a feature that can be easily enabled in S3 JB rom.
-Quick glance. while the phone's screen is turned off, user can put their hand in front of the top of the phone to summon notification for missed calls, and messages. I think this is useless.
-Multi Window. This is really a useful feature. Samfirmware tweeted that S3 will get it as well, but I'm not holding my breath. Samsung could say that S3 screen is not optimized for this feature or other ridiculous reason.
-There is no widget for "direct call, smart stay, voice cmd and S beam". this is really weird because S3 have it
So far, after trying Note 2 for a few minutes, I still love my S3. The reason is really simple, Note 2 is too large to be used as a phone. S3 is already pushing the limit, at least for me.
stfudude said:
-Overall, it's smooth but S3 is smooth too. No one can differentiate.
-The extra ripple effect when you release your hand while in the lockscreen is not present. This means that, that ripple effect that users have accustomed to in ICS will not be present in JB rom. Damn you Samsung!
-2GB of Ram equals extreme multitasking. No need to uninstall bloatwares.
-Smart rotation. a feature that can be easily enabled in S3 JB rom.
-Quick glance. while the phone's screen is turned off, user can put their hand in front of the top of the phone to summon notification for missed calls, and messages. I think this is useless.
-Multi Window. This is really a useful feature. Samfirmware tweeted that S3 will get it as well, but I'm not holding my breath. Samsung could say that S3 screen is not optimized for this feature or other ridiculous reason.
-There is no widget for "direct call, smart stay, voice cmd and S beam". this is really weird because S3 have it
So far, after trying Note 2 for a few minutes, I still love my S3. The reason is really simple, Note 2 is too large to be used as a phone. S3 is already pushing the limit, at least for me.
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2Gb of ram is definitely equivalent to extreme multitasking. All those people who said "unused ram is wasted ram" despite my many attempts to explain how processors work, irrespective of the linux kernel, can't say anything about this now.
Anyway, multi-window is the only feature that I really want, but I doubt we'll get it.
stfudude said:
So far, after trying Note 2 for a few minutes, I still love my S3. The reason is really simple, Note 2 is too large to be used as a phone. S3 is already pushing the limit, at least for me.
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Which is why the I9305 is perfect in my opinion.
disclaimernotice said:
2Gb of ram is definitely equivalent to extreme multitasking. All those people who said "unused ram is wasted ram" despite my many attempts to explain how processors work, irrespective of the linux kernel, can't say anything about this now.
Anyway, multi-window is the only feature that I really want, but I doubt we'll get it.
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Unused ram IS wasted ram.
Nobody said that more ram isn't better, but empty ram is useless to you.
Ram uses the same amount of power whether it is full or empty.
Having full ram means more programs loaded and ready to go, less clock cycles, more efficient system.
you could have 1TB of ram, but if there is only 600mb of stuff in it, its a waste.
So, unused ram is wasted ram.
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Unused ram IS wasted ram.
Nobody said that more ram isn't better, but empty ram is useless to you.
Ram uses the same amount of power whether it is full or empty.
Having full ram means more programs loaded and ready to go, less clock cycles, more efficient system.
you could have 1TB of ram, but if there is only 600mb of stuff in it, its a waste.
So, unused ram is wasted ram.
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Flipside of that is that most of us never argued that unused ram is wasted ram as to power cosumption, but that it should be our ram to waste and that i9300 is seriously lacking in multitasking department when stock, because of lack of free ram not even rivaling sgs2.
Or how easy it is to load slim rom, posting screenshots of freshly reset firmware without third party apps, or screen of ram usage before all the services are loaded, or screen of freshly cleared ram, none of which are representative of real world usage.
As I recall the original thread, that mantra has always been spoken in a way strongly hinting like we got plenty and don't need more, now just adding "we never said more is not better".
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Idan73 said:
Flipside of that is that most of us never argued that unused ram is wasted ram as to power cosumption, but that it should be our ram to waste and that i9300 is seriously lacking in multitasking department when stock, because of lack of free ram not even rivaling sgs2.
As I recall the original thread, that mantra has always been spoken in a way strongly hinting like we got plenty and don't need more, now just adding "we never said more is not better".
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Nobody ever said less ram is better than more, at least not that I know of.
If they did they were talking sh*t.
I'm speaking from a factual point of view, not a butthurt, trying to defend my purchase point of view.
I would love if the i9300 got 2gb of ram.
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Which is why the I9305 is perfect in my opinion.
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If only I9305 get as much support as I9300..
I am not targeting specifically you, as I know from your posts you're pretty even handed and factual person.
Referring to the whole discussion at the time of release of the phone when we found out nam versions are coming with 2gb of ram.
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stfudude said:
If only I9305 get as much support as I9300..
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Never gonna happen.
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Idan73 said:
I am not targeting specifically you, as I know from your posts you're pretty even handed and factual person.
Referring to the whole discussion at the time of release of the phone when we found out nam versions are coming with 2gb of ram.
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Ya we got a raw deal when it came to ram.
But that's touchwizs fault, my nexus 7 has 'only' 1gb of ram and it multitasks like a boss.
Samsung screwed the pooch when they put tw on a phone with 1gb of ram.
The S3 isn't the phone it should have been, it should have had an exynos 5 CPU and 2gb of ram.
From now on I won't buy anything Samsung because vanilla android just runs so much better than skinned versions and it isn't ugly anymore.
Plus the 4.1.1 update hasn't dropped for everyone yet and my gnex and N7 are on 4.1.2 for over a week.
With 4.2 probably being announced on the 29th I think the S3 won't ever see it.
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totally agree
me yesterday go play note 2 (officially release in my country)
everything is same, play until boring
nodstuff said:
Unused ram IS wasted ram.
Nobody said that more ram isn't better, but empty ram is useless to you.
Ram uses the same amount of power whether it is full or empty.
Having full ram means more programs loaded and ready to go, less clock cycles, more efficient system.
you could have 1TB of ram, but if there is only 600mb of stuff in it, its a waste.
So, unused ram is wasted ram.
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Not exactly. If you have less than 100mb of free ram, when you start an app, the processor has to close several background processes in order for the app to start and work properly. This causes a momentary lag. Similarly, if you minimise an graphics intensive game to read your messages, the game is closed to obtain more ram.
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Not exactly. If you have less than 100mb of free ram, when you start an app, the processor has to close several background processes in order for the app to start and work properly. This causes a momentary lag. Similarly, if you minimise an graphics intensive game to read your messages, the game is closed to obtain more ram.
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That applies if you have too little ram, and I agree too little ram is not good.
My point is if you have ram and it isn't being used then it is wasted ram.
Ram is supposed to be utilised.
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stfudude said:
If only I9305 get as much support as I9300..
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Well Even with the Mods and tweaks available right now, It is more smooth and fluid then my BEST setup I had with the I9300. So I think about it like this. Everyone is trying to find the rom which makes there phone run beautifully. Well I already have the setup . And anything that comes now is going to be a bonus. It really has only been a few weeks since a few of the devs got there hands on the devices, and I think we are moving quite nicely. Soon we will have enough dev support to make us all happy. Soon as someone starts porting roms or Creating thats when the fun really begins. We already have 3 Roms which are Basic but its still a start And I can wait as the way my phone feels right now Is absolute butterness < if thats even a word
Note2 jb no lag but think maybe due to 2gm ram
nodstuff said:
That applies if you have too little ram, and I agree too little ram is not good.
My point is if you have ram and it isn't being used then it is wasted ram.
Ram is supposed to be utilised.
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If you have free ram then it will be reserved for more apps to be loaded which means more rams you have then more apps can be run smoothly so I wouldn't say its wasted ram. More rams you have then More apps can be loaded and stay on background and process smoothly by users input.
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In my opinion more ram is more good for our devices because yes ram does run the applications and removes a lot of lag.....I have i9300 but I am very angry that why Samsung just releases their s3 new version and broke the trust of old s3 users.....
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mustang2012 said:
If you have free ram then it will be reserved for more apps to be loaded which means more rams you have then more apps can be run smoothly so I wouldn't say its wasted ram. More rams you have then More apps can be loaded and stay on background and process smoothly by users input.
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Can you not read what I said?
You are basically saying what I said, more ram is better.
Un-utilised ram, is wasted.
What is so hard to understand about this concept.
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nodstuff said:
Can you not read what I said?
You are basically saying what I said, more ram is better.
Un-utilised ram, is wasted.
What is so hard to understand about this concept.
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Yes I read it already but if there is more ram the more apps u can open at a single time example when ever u open ur dailer first time it takes 3 seconds to open which feels so much annoying at some times but if u have More ram then the dailer would be covered by extra ram until u use a lot of apps together...
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nodstuff said:
Unused ram IS wasted ram.
Nobody said that more ram isn't better, but empty ram is useless to you.
Ram uses the same amount of power whether it is full or empty.
Having full ram means more programs loaded and ready to go, less clock cycles, more efficient system.
you could have 1TB of ram, but if there is only 600mb of stuff in it, its a waste.
So, unused ram is wasted ram.
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In my experience, keeping the ram free is better. Your phone/tablet is smoother and faster. And there is a logical explanation for that. The OS is loading in background data from applications. If you use one of those applications, yes, it will launch faster. But if not, room has to be made, so in fact you have to wait more then.
You don't save anything by letting the apps load to full ram. In fact, you consume more resources like this, because you can have loaded apps that you don't really need/use any time soon.
It's just a gimmick. Let's load some apps, when the phone is idle, based on what ever criteria so when the user is actually launching that app, he will have the impression that the phone is faster. But your are depending on the accuracy of that criteria.
Limiting the number of background processes works wonders for me. Maybe not so much for my S3, but for other lesser devices it's very obvious.
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In my experience, keeping the ram free is better. Your phone/tablet is smoother and faster. And there is a logical explanation for that. The OS is loading in background data from applications. If you use one of those applications, yes, it will launch faster. But if not, room has to be made, so in fact you have to wait more then.
You don't save anything by letting the apps load to full ram. In fact, you consume more resources like this, because you can have loaded apps that you don't really need/use any time soon.
It's just a gimmick. Let's load some apps, when the phone is idle, based on what ever criteria so when the user is actually launching that app, he will have the impression that the phone is faster. But your are depending on the accuracy of that criteria.
Limiting the number of background processes works wonders for me. Maybe not so much for my S3, but for other lesser devices it's very obvious.
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Nonsense.
Ask anybody that knows anything about computer systems and they will tell you it is better to have a program in ram waiting to be used.
It DOES load faster, it is the basis of all os's today.
It gives the impression that it loads faster because it does load faster.
No you don't consume more resources like that, by keeping apps open in ram you cut down on clock cycles associated with opening that app every time you want to use it, yes sometimes apps are dumped out of ram but that is because the system needs more ram for a bigger app and bumps out whatever it seems necessary because of oom settings.
Limiting background processes beyond a certain point means you are losing efficiency, battery and performance.
Fact.
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Hi guys.
I've been quite bothered by the fact that 4gb ram phones coming up, so I decided that I would do a test on how my LG phone handles the ram. I hope some experienced android users can clarify this for me because the only other android device I've had is a android tablet which I've played quite a bit with on my own.
I thought I wanted to do a stress test to see of the device would lag after having used all available ram. Problem is just I wasn't able to use all ram even with over a dozen open apps and so on. While I now have clarified that more than 2gb of ram really isn't needed ATM I would really love an explanation of why I wasn't able to get below 400 Mb free ram. When using the device normally I occasionally see only 300 Mb of free ram. Anyway the device was still working smoothly without lags and stutter
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just the way android ram works really. Its different then windows, where no free ram means performance issues. Like no free disk space on Iphones.
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