So I'm really considering taking advantage of the Spirit BOGO and upgrading my wife and my Epic 4G to this S4. The big holdback is we both prefer a slide out keyboard to the Swype method, but I Swype a lot more than she does (or have more practice at it).
However, on the Epic, when I use the stock email app for my work (exchange server) the Swype keyboard does not erase words correctly and I have to use the physical keyboard to erase the messed up words.
I really need to be able to use this new phone for work and engage email is paramount.
So coming from an Epic 4G, do you guys think we'll have problems adjusting and will the stock email app work properly with the S4 keyboard?
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So I'm really considering taking advantage of the Spirit BOGO and upgrading my wife and my Epic 4G to this S4. The big holdback is we both prefer a slide out keyboard to the Swype method, but I Swype a lot more than she does (or have more practice at it).
However, on the Epic, when I use the stock email app for my work (exchange server) the Swype keyboard does not erase words correctly and I have to use the physical keyboard to erase the messed up words.
I really need to be able to use this new phone for work and engage email is paramount.
So coming from an Epic 4G, do you guys think we'll have problems adjusting and will the stock email app work properly with the S4 keyboard?
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Unfortunately I have no real insight to offer you on the email issue but I can tell you I was a die-hard physical keyboard person forever before finally getting the E4GT and realized the transition was easier than I thought. (I'd tried no keyboard before with OG EVO and gave up too soon). Also, I much prefer swiftkey to swype and swiftkey now has a swype function built into it. The beauty of Android is that there are so many keyboards you can try them out until you find one that fits you.
I can tell you, in ever other aspect of phone comparison, you will not regret moving both your wife and yourself over to the S4, especially with this great deal going on.
Good luck! I hope someone with more information on the email/swype issue can help you out.
Going from physical keyboard to on screen is like taking the training wheels off your phone. You've gotten so used to the safety net being there that anything else is scary. No top end phones have keyboards anymore. You either have to get used to that fact or continue to get mid and low range phones because you absolutely must have a keyboard.
I went from the epic to the sgs4. With the bigger screen and more sensitive touch screen it works a bit better then it did on the epic. You also have the option of the Samsung keyboard, kind of a mix of a stock keyboard and Swype. If you through it in to screen rotate the keyboard is huge but limits how much of the text you can see at once. If you're going for a new contract I believe you have the 2 week trial period to change your mind. I have loved the sgs4, works like the epic just way faster and an even nicer screen! With the higher resolution the pentile screen looks great without as much of the draw backs of pentile on the sgs1. I did have a issue with the first phone I got, wouldn't read my cheap sd card, an had an issue where the power bar wouldn't read correctly, always said 100%. My second phone has been solid and I don't regret the upgrade.
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I went from the epic to the sgs4. With the bigger screen and more sensitive touch screen it works a bit better then it did on the epic. You also have the option of the Samsung keyboard, kind of a mix of a stock keyboard and Swype. If you through it in to screen rotate the keyboard is huge but limits how much of the text you can see at once. If you're going for a new contract I believe you have the 2 week trial period to change your mind. I have loved the sgs4, works like the epic just way faster and an even nicer screen! With the higher resolution the pentile screen looks great without as much of the draw backs of pentile on the sgs1. I did have a issue with the first phone I got, wouldn't read my cheap sd card, an had an issue where the power bar wouldn't read correctly, always said 100%. My second phone has been solid and I don't regret the upgrade.
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I am thinking I am sold on the S4. I am curious if anyone has had any problems with the stock e-mail app and using the SWYPE/SWIFT/Samsung keyboard with autocorrect and whether they have had problems deleted words in the app?
All I can say is do it. My wife had to have a keyboard too. Well after 2 days she loves this phone and keypad.
I dont have experience with the email, but if it helps I also came fron the Epic 4g. At first I thought it would be weird to not have a physical keyboard but due to the screen size it was a quick transition.
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TexasAggie97 said:
So I'm really considering taking advantage of the Spirit BOGO and upgrading my wife and my Epic 4G to this S4. The big holdback is we both prefer a slide out keyboard to the Swype method, but I Swype a lot more than she does (or have more practice at it).
However, on the Epic, when I use the stock email app for my work (exchange server) the Swype keyboard does not erase words correctly and I have to use the physical keyboard to erase the messed up words.
I really need to be able to use this new phone for work and engage email is paramount.
So coming from an Epic 4G, do you guys think we'll have problems adjusting and will the stock email app work properly with the S4 keyboard?
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I upgraded to the S4 a week ago from the Epic 4g Touch, so not a big of a gap as you'd make, but this phone is amazing. I don't use stock email though, only Gmail. You do always have the 14 day window though, if you hate it exchange it for something else.
How is the signal quality after switching? Just curious how much better it'll be. My gf is still on the epic 4g,but will probably switch to the gs4.
Sprint 3g has been so terrible for her.. Usually 150kbps,and this is in San Jose. I'm thinking it's gotta be due to the poor radio in the e4g.
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In terms of call reception, data signal quality, and especially GPS, the S4 totally blows the E4GT out of the water for me. It's superior in every single way. I still kept around my E4GT as a backup smartphone and use it once in a while and the differences are so great.
My wife used to own the epic 4g. The transition from physical keyboard to the s4 is a lot easier then you think. As far as signal reception. Its hella lot better but it all depends on where you live
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How is the signal quality after switching? Just curious how much better it'll be. My gf is still on the epic 4g,but will probably switch to the gs4.
Sprint 3g has been so terrible for her.. Usually 150kbps,and this is in San Jose. I'm thinking it's gotta be due to the poor radio in the e4g.
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Everything is better! I am way out in the country and the S4 absolutely destroys the E4GT, call quality, signal, ect. I used to get a lot of dropped calls with the E4GT and I haven't had any with the S4. My 3g was terrible on it's best day on the E4GT and it is soooo much faster on this phone. I wanted to wait for the Note 3. They gave me a killer deal at BestBuy though and I paid less than a hundred bucks. They even gave me 90 for my E4GT and the usb port was dead and would't charge the phone anymore. Can't go wrong though, this phone is a beast!
do it, do it
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Unless you are planning to use a keyboard for terminal related purposes, the switch is not too difficult. I recently switched from the Epic 4G to the S4. I loved the keyboard on the Epic, and still have the urge to rotate my phone to type occasionally, but overall the boost in specs makes up for it. It is an overall better experience, and I managed to get used to the soft keyboard quickly.
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In terms of call reception, data signal quality, and especially GPS, the S4 totally blows the E4GT out of the water for me. It's superior in every single way. I still kept around my E4GT as a backup smartphone and use it once in a while and the differences are so great.
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This is kind of off on a tangent, but all this talk about keyboards made me think of Anandtech's review of the original iPhone from back in 2007. It seems almost quaint to read about Anand's struggles to type on a screen.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2265/6
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This is kind of off on a tangent, but all this talk about keyboards made me think of Anandtech's review of the original iPhone from back in 2007. It seems almost quaint to read about Anand's struggles to type on a screen.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2265/6
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Honestly, all that does is remind me how little iphones have changed over the past 6 years...
But back on topic, I had moved from an original Droid to the EVO 3D without a second thought. Leaving behind the physical keyboard was an easy choice when you have an actually good modern touch screen like the 3D did at the time, and that the S4 has now. I have no experience with the stock email app, but with the sheer number of keyboard apps available, you're bound to find something that will work. Not to mention the stock email app is much improved in the S4 over the Epic.
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Honestly, all that does is remind me how little iphones have changed over the past 6 years...
But back on topic, I had moved from an original Droid to the EVO 3D without a second thought. Leaving behind the physical keyboard was an easy choice when you have an actually good modern touch screen like the 3D did at the time, and that the S4 has now. I have no experience with the stock email app, but with the sheer number of keyboard apps available, you're bound to find something that will work. Not to mention the stock email app is much improved in the S4 over the Epic.
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The OG Droid had such a terrible keyboard. Even on that phone, I still used the onscreen keyboard probably about 80% of the time.
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Well, I've been "practicing" my SWYPE and onscreen keyboard skills in anticipation for the big jump! Thanks for all the feedback. I feel a lot better, even though for people like me, it's a shame that sliders are going out of style....
I had an Epic, Evo, Evo lte, E4GT, Gnexus, Nexus S4G, Note2, GS2 & 3 and my GS4 runs Aosp better than all of the devices I've owned that aren't Nexus! Love this thing and have had no problems! Happy with my phone!!:thumbup:
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since the nexus one is a faster device. will i be happpy with the my touch 3g slide? i went to att and got the new iphone4, i am not too impressed and att service sucks where i live, i have 30 days to cancel, i have the hd2 but i am selling it, i cant take winmo any longer,
what do you all think as far as speed, and screen...will i be happy switching? or will i notice a big speed diffrence?
Thanks
I think the slide is fast as hell. Its feels like a snapdragon processer plus once you root and put froyo on it its crfazy fast. And the keyboard is one of the best ever! And the screen isn't as high res but still looks good and it doesn't eat as much battery.
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I think the slide is fast as hell. Its feels like a snapdragon processer plus once you root and put froyo on it its crfazy fast. And the keyboard is one of the best ever! And the screen isn't as high res but still looks good and it doesn't eat as much battery.
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Ditto. U shouldn't notice the speed difference. I love my slide but if ur coming from the nexus u might want to check into the vibrant too. Basically mirror of the specs. Just keep ur options open. Good Luck.
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dvigue said:
since the nexus one is a faster device. will i be happpy with the my touch 3g slide? i went to att and got the new iphone4, i am not too impressed and att service sucks where i live, i have 30 days to cancel, i have the hd2 but i am selling it, i cant take winmo any longer,
what do you all think as far as speed, and screen...will i be happy switching? or will i notice a big speed diffrence?
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In one word.... NO. The Slide IMO is a entry level Android 2.1 (sometime to be 2.2) device.
The Nexus One has everything the slide does (except swype which can be DLed and a physical keybored that you will never use)
The Nexus one already has 2.2 (supported)
And the iPhone 4 is 100x better then both phones. The screen on the iPhone 4 is EXTREAMLY good. The app store for iPhone is twice as big. And the things the iPhone can do is still much higher then the Android platform.
How the f can you even say the iphone us better than these phones your sadly mistaken
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In one word.... NO. The Slide IMO is a entry level Android 2.1 (sometime to be 2.2) device.
The Nexus One has everything the slide does (except swype which can be DLed and a physical keybored that you will never use)
The Nexus one already has 2.2 (supported)
And the iPhone 4 is 100x better then both phones. The screen on the iPhone 4 is EXTREAMLY good. The app store for iPhone is twice as big. And the things the iPhone can do is still much higher then the Android platform.
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I think you're on crack. The physical keyboard is so much nicer than a on screen keyboard. Even with swype, the OSK sucks compared to a physical keyboard.
I really don't think the slide is entry level at either its at least as fast if not faster than the iphone.and yes I've used them both.
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In one word.... NO. The Slide IMO is a entry level Android 2.1 (sometime to be 2.2) device.
The Nexus One has everything the slide does (except swype which can be DLed and a physical keybored that you will never use)
The Nexus one already has 2.2 (supported)
And the iPhone 4 is 100x better then both phones. The screen on the iPhone 4 is EXTREAMLY good. The app store for iPhone is twice as big. And the things the iPhone can do is still much higher then the Android platform.
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Please leave this forum and never come back.
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Words words words...
And the iPhone 4 is 100x better then both phones. The screen on the iPhone 4 is EXTREAMLY good. The app store for iPhone is twice as big. And the things the iPhone can do is still much higher then the Android platform.
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Oh, you misspelled your username! The K and the T are nowhere near each other!
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Oh, you misspelled your username! The K and the T are nowhere near each other!
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LoL... Took me a min to get that!
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Please leave this forum and never come back.
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Lol! You guys crack me up! The nerve of that guy! Why is he even here?! Does he have an HTC and has buyers remorse. Personally, I thought the first iPhone was great. It lead the way for many advancements from HTC, WM, and Android. So even though I hate Apple, I have to admit that but... the iphone4 is crap. Adding a front facing camera, is an old idea and has been used outside the US for many years. Most US carriers haven't been able to provide a network that handles the data capabilities that are needed to run video calling until the past couple years. I blame the US carriers for that blunder. But leave it up to Apple and at&t to steal old ideas... plus, wow a higher res screen that the human eye can't even differentiate that many pixels. Screw that... and a antenna that forces users to hold their phone a certain way to get proper reception so they don't drop a call that at&t is notorious of doing because of their crappy glued together 2G and 3G that are on 4 different frequencies. Lol! What a joke! The iPhone is garbage. The nexus is a fine, quality phone but the lack of a QWERTY keyboard is a real turn off. The MTS is just as good without the battery drain and just as fast because of the high RAM amount and superior GPU. Plus the vibrant is nice and has a large internal memory space for ROM and apps, but I have had bad experiences with Samsung in the past. But who knows... may be you'll have a good one but the point is ... the MTS is a better replacement for the nexus and vibrant is a good option too. Good luck!
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Lol! You guys crack me up! The nerve of that guy! Why is he even here?! Does he have an HTC and has buyers remorse. Personally, I thought the first iPhone was great. It lead the way for many advancements from HTC, WM, and Android. So even though I hate Apple, I have to admit that but... the iphone4 is crap. Adding a front facing camera, is an old idea and has been used outside the US for many years. Most US carriers haven't been able to provide a network that handles the data capabilities that are needed to run video calling until the past couple years. I blame the US carriers for that blunder. But leave it up to Apple and at&t to steal old ideas... plus, wow a higher res screen that the human eye can't even differentiate that many pixels. Screw that... and a antenna that forces users to hold their phone a certain way to get proper reception so they don't drop a call that at&t is notorious of doing because of their crappy glued together 2G and 3G that are on 4 different frequencies. Lol! What a joke! The iPhone is garbage. The nexus is a fine, quality phone but the lack of a QWERTY keyboard is a real turn off. The MTS is just as good without the battery drain and just as fast because of the high RAM amount and superior GPU. Plus the vibrant is nice and has a large internal memory space for ROM and apps, but I have had bad experiences with Samsung in the past. But who knows... may be you'll have a good one but the point is ... the MTS is a better replacement for the nexus and vibrant is a good option too. Good luck!
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thank you!!!
I currently have a T-Mobile G1 and I have been thinking of an upgrade.
Have any of the current Vibrant owners come from a G1?
If so, are you happy with your new phone/glad you switched?
If you aren't a past G1 owner, I still value your input.
Thanks for any/all opinions.
I lost my G1 a little over a week ago, and got a Vibrant as a replacement. So far I'm pretty happy. There are a few things to know though. First of all, no matter what anyone says to the contrary, the software keyboard is a poor substitution for a real hardware keyboard, and not a day goes by that I don't miss the keyboard on my G1. That said, I have found alternatives that work for me, but might not for everyone. I was a longtime Palm user, so the addition of a capacitive stylus and Graffiti for Android went a long way toward easing my lost keyboard anxiety. Also, the speech to text on the phone is surprisingly good, and once I found a program that optimized the speech to text workflow (Ultra Keyboard), that got me set so that between those two, I can get by without a hardware keyboard.
You should also know that the compass on the Vibrant is complete garbage compared to the G1. It is slow to update, inaccurate, and sometimes just freaks out and points in a direction that has absolutely nothing to do with where the phone is pointing. Some people also report poor GPS performance, though I haven't had this problem.
The bad stuff out of the way, it is SO MUCH faster than the G1! That, and I actually like some of the additions Samsung made to Android. I don't like how the whole thing looks so iPhoney, but it all works really well, and given the choice I wouldn't go back to a G1 from the Vibrant.
The compass and gps suck. There are various settings that help the gps, but we really need a driver update from samsung. Hopefully they will get on that soon and not make us wait for 2.2.
As for the keyboard, I like swype almost as much as a real keyboard. The voice input works good as well, but swype doesn't have the button for it for some reason. Hopefully they will add it soon.
Overall, it's a great phone and the speed and screen will blue you away coming from a g1.
I came from a G1. The phone is incredible, but the hardware/drivers have their rough edges, no doubt. I might have waited a little longer in hopes of the manufacturing becoming more consistent had I known of the issues before I bought, but when all is said and done I'm quite happy. Just not as happy as I could be.
I am really picky when it comes to this kinda stuff. Loved my g1 and thought twice about getting this phone for several reasons lyk 5mp camera when others offer more, not keyboard, forward facing camera and screen size but overall i gotta say i love this phone and wouldnt think twice about it. This phone performs amazingly and the screen is beautiful the battery is great for me atleast the gps is good no issues here and lastly the speed on the phone itself and online is crazy i love it. I couldnt be happier and it fills in the g1's shoes very nicely. I loved my g1 but i think i like this phone alot more.
Yes, I like this phone more than the G1. It was time for me to ditch the qwerty keyboard anyways and I don't like how it adds bulk to any type of phone. Plus, there are already plenty of accessories for the phone already since T-Mobile was smart enough to have the dimensions very similar to the original Galaxy S.
Many of us came from the G1 (contract about up, y'all?).
With Swype, I'm not at a huge loss for the hardware kb - the slide mechanism on the G1 was always a little scary to me, so I'm glad to be rid of that. hat being said, if the option was available, I'd've taken the SGS w/the kb.
I also dislike the iPhone rip-off part of Samsungs UI, but there are many benefits, too. The notification buttons are great & save homescreen space. Many other small things.
The biggest gripe is the GPS. IT IS TERRIBLE! It will literally lock up my phone after not locking onto the 12 satellites it can see. Buncha bull****.
But, all-in-all, the G1 was getting tired, so I'm glade to move on.
-bZj
I was very hesitant about getting a phone with no physical keyboard. About a month before I bought my vibrant, I used just the virtual keyboard on the G1. I have to say, Swype is the best thing since slice bread for keyboard technology. I can actually "type" faster with Swype than I did with my G1. Like others, my only gripe about the vibrant is the gps issues. I don't use it daily but if Samsung doesn't fix this, they will never get my business again with ANY product. That said, I'm pretty sure they will fix this, it would be a PR disaster otherwise.
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no matter what anyone says to the contrary, the software keyboard is a poor substitution for a real hardware keyboard, and not a day goes by that I don't miss the keyboard on my G1.
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That is my BIGGEST fear....
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The bad stuff out of the way, it is SO MUCH faster than the G1!
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That is what I'm looking forward to...
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I was very hesitant about getting a phone with no physical keyboard. About a month before I bought my vibrant, I used just the virtual keyboard on the G1.
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Great idea...
Thank you so much for your opinions.
I'm running CM6 Froyo on my G1 and it can get very laggy.
I also don't want to go back to Sprint just to get an EVO...
My T-Mobile experience in Milwaukee has been a dream compared
to my Sprint experience...
Go to a store and play with one... you will immediately buy it. I cherish my G1 and refuse to sell it, but it is so... so... dwarfed by the Vibrant it is laughable.
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Go to a store and play with one... you will immediately buy it. I cherish my G1 and refuse to sell it, but it is so... so... dwarfed by the Vibrant it is laughable.
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The G1 is a plastic brick...
That's definitely a reason I decided to abandon the physical keyboard--it just adds so much bulk.
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Go to a store and play with one... you will immediately buy it. I cherish my G1 and refuse to sell it, but it is so... so... dwarfed by the Vibrant it is laughable.
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I think I will be purchasing one..
I would never sell my G1 either!
I will use it as a mini-netbook until it dies of natural causes (I still won't get rid of it).
It has a full keyboard, wifi, I paid for Docs2Go, so I have an office suite,
it has a camera, mp3 player, full web, etc...
My biggest fear was the loss of the keyboard as well. I do miss it at times (mainly games), but swype is very fast and it took all of a fe messages to start swyping as fast or faster than the keyboard. Its not the same thing, but it does a great job.
Gpa and compass... Well, you know by now. I'm confident it'll be fixed soon.
The screen is amazing, even in bright sunlight. Movies on the phone rock. And the speed is unbelievable. It's so worth the upgrade!
One other bonus... With the galaxy s being on every carrier, it had the best chance of many mods and released quickly once things get going.
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Bought it and love it!!!
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You can't compare the two...not only different ballparks...different sports altogether. But even with that in mind, I STILL have my trusty G1 for when I'm feeling nostalgic . If you can, go for it. You'll like it.
Cons and pros
Evo
pros
LCD I could go either way on
Big screen
Great community support
Sense
Cons
Hard to type
LCD
No keyboard
Epic
Pros
Super amoled
Keyboard
just the right size
Superior processor
Battery life
Cons
Bad com support
People say it feels cheaper
Touch wiz
Obviously I'm leaning towards epic but can anyone just tell me how much better it is? O and does epic have cm and snap?
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i just switched from evo to epic friday. i like the epic, the colors are better, the keyboard is awesome. youll notice the screen size diff at first but then itsfine. no CM or snap yet, just really like 3 roms out right now. but itll get better. in my opinion its ab tter switch, but ive always needed the keyboard. if youre fine without a keyboard then its not that great of a diff.
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i just switched from evo to epic friday. i like the epic, the colors are better, the keyboard is awesome. youll notice the screen size diff at first but then itsfine. no CM or snap yet, just really like 3 roms out right now. but itll get better. in my opinion its ab tter switch, but ive always needed the keyboard. if youre fine without a keyboard then its not that great of a diff.
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Yeah I figured. I really hope it gets better
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Oh nd hows the battery life? Thats my main concern
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The community support is not bad...we actually have quite a bit..its just the device has not been out as long and a lot of people are not used to HTC, most of the development now is being done by people who did development on other Samsung devices such as the Moment. The developers who came from HTC are doing things but not as quickly as they are not used to it.
That said, I usually used custom roms before but for my Epic I'm pretty happy with Stock and Root for backup and Tethering.
What do you mean by cm and snap? if cm is Cyanogen then its coming...
The battery life is OK, better if you configure Juice Defender or use energy saving Kernal and maybe kill mediahub..but stock vs stock Epic has a bit better battery then Evo
Yeah I meant cyanogen and what bout set CPU
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Yeah I meant cyanogen and what bout set CPU
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pretty sure theres a kernal thatssets it to overclock when needed. better batter life with that kernal too. ive only tried one so far so cant say bout the other one(s)
i like my epic a lot, i havent gotten a chance to experience the EVO in full yet, but i know from having the mts that htc makes some of the best quality phones. Samsung did ok on this one, as far as physical build and keyboard ill give it a 7/10. 4 inch S-AMOLED screen is crazy.. but i cant wait til sprint/htc does a similar to the epic, because that will be truly epic
I was deciding between Evo and Epic too before finally getting an Epic. To me software is something that can be improved upon but hardware is what it is and cannot be changed. Samsung's support is not on par with HTC but they've pushed 2 updates out already in the last month, so maybe there's hope. And with simple tweaks I've got GPS working nicely as well as fairly good battery life (airplan mode and disable drm). So far I've been happy with the phone and I think it'll be amazing once Froyo is out.
I'm staying with evo.. epics got problems
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I took my evo back to the store a few weeks ago and traded for an epic. I was not impressed with the hardware of the evo. I would much rather have the cpu and gpu of the epic for future games etc..
Run the ocean waves live wallpaper on the evo and see for yourself, it starts chugging and epic runs it flawless...
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I'm staying with evo.. epics got problems
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Evo has problems too..it boils down to which problems you prefer Evo problems or Epic problems (no pun intended lol)
For me personally I have no problems yet on my Epic :/
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Evo has problems too..it boils down to which problems you prefer Evo problems or Epic problems (no pun intended lol)
For me personally I have no problems yet on my Epic :/
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What problems does the EVO have these days?
From my understanding, the light leakage has been address, 30 fps caps been lifted and wifi fixed. Is there anything else?
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I'm staying with evo.. epics got problems
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iv been running my epic problem free for over a month
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What problems does the EVO have these days?
From my understanding, the light leakage has been address, 30 fps caps been lifted and wifi fixed. Is there anything else?
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Video capture is still horrible, audio doesn't sync with video at times, taking pictures with low light has not improved. If the EVO fixed that i'd still be on it. Camera sucks on the EVO.
Well, if you're still wavering... the Epic's keyboard looks nice, but IMHO it was compromised into uselessness thanks to the flat keys with almost no space in between. The problem is that I can't use my thumbs to effortlessly type on it, because I keep hitting two or more keys. Had they compromised its appearance a bit by using keys that were 2/3 as wide and long (with the same center pitch), or significantly raised the keycap centers, it would be fine. Unfortunately, they didn't, so it's not. By the same token, holding it with my left hand and using my right index finger gets tiring quickly, and the phone wobbles due to the screen's weight if I try to type on the keyboard while the phone is laying on a table.
The keyboard design of the Epic just has me shaking my head wondering whether they even bothered to test its usability with real people before committing to the design, or whether they told their designers, "make it look pretty in pictures, and keep the profile low" and decided that actual usability didn't matter.
Sigh. I can't wait for 3D printers to become cheap enough to enable things like aftermarket retrofit parts for things like the Epic that come from the factory "not quite right" by design, but could probably be hacked into comfy usability if there were a cost-effective way to make custom plastic parts in small quantities. Then someone could just make a kit that let you disassemble the lower half of a stock Epic, then reassemble the circuit board in a new bottom enclosure that made the keyboard nicer to use, and maybe added a slide-latch to lock the slider closed for added solidity when it's stowed...
I owned an evo up till the epic came out. I switched because I worked on the processor inside the epic and wanted to own something that I helped to make.
I had a lot of reservations about switching. Chief among them was the support that Samsung would give the phone. I read the horror stories about the moment, but decided to jump in.
Well two updates in I'm gonna go ahead and say that the epic is already at a point where I am as happy with it as I was with my evo. It took 5 months to get my evo to a point where the battery life was acceptable and the phone was running smooth. As of yesterday, I've resolved my battery issues (clean install of the latest update and no restoration of original settings). All this while running 2.1. I'm giddy with excitement over what 2.2 could bring.
In my opinion, people that list touchwiz as a negative simply havent experienced it for themselves. I never liked HTC sense and always preferred ASOP. That said, once you replace the touchwiz launcher (which really is pretty crappy), you're left with things that touchwiz, in my opinion, does better than sense. For one, there are the shortcuts that allow you to toggle wifi, 4g, gps and bluetooth in the dropdown notification menu. This allows you to toggle these settings in any app without exiting to the home screen. Then theres the brightness slider on the notification bar that I use more times than I can count. When you get down to it, the only thing sense has going for it are the widgets. And the widgets can all be had, at a small cost, on the epic 4g via launcherpro plus and beautiful widgets.
The screen is amazing, the keyboard is more useful than I thought it would be. As is the hardware camera button. The only glaring defects are the GPS and the capacitive buttons. Now dont get me wrong, these two are pretty serious and potentially dealbreaking problems. But I have faith that the GPS can be fixed. And as far as the capacitive buttons go, I'm slowly getting used to them...
Thats my take, for what its worth. Good luck w/ your decision.
I searched through the forums quite a bit and even good but have yet to find anything specific. I'm not sure which phone to get since I can not find a rooted comparison.
Please read about my HTC Hero and my original thoughts here:
jpklink.blogspot.com
Main Points:
Weight and size are not an issue: Glass screen is a +
Price is not an issue.
Standard Mini USB charging is a +
Battery life is not so important.
Texting Speed is 100% most important item - my hero can not keep up with my fingers and it is beyond frustrating.
I know this is the Epic forum so I can't say I don't expect you to be bias, but it would be nice to hear anything at all. Just wanted to hear how the phones compare as BOTH rooted devices with all speed benefits.
As of now the epic has an issue where it will miss keys on the physical keyboard every so often. Txlexting speed is also very important to me (I have an epic) and I have been dissappinted with the physical keyboard to say the least. That being said, the evo does not even have a physical keyboard and you could use any keyboard from the evo on the epic. The app "Smart keyboard" is the best of all that I have tried. The screen on the epic is also substantially better than the evo. The evo gets updates before the epic because it is an htc phone so that is always something to consider. Good luck.
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If you fancy yourself with modding then an Evo is a clear cut winner. There are much more Roms, Mods, and source codes are always released first for HTC phones. Samsung has a history of not really supporting their devices. Epic is no exception. And if you look at the news today in the Android world, signs point to Samsung focusing on supporting Windows 7 phones in 2011 while Android will slowly move to the back seat. http: //phandroid.com/2010/11/22/samsung-focusing-more-on-windows-7-in-2011-but-will-it-matter/
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And if you look at the news today in the Android world, signs point to Samsung focusing on supporting Windows 7 phones in 2011 while Android will slowly move to the back seat. http: //phandroid.com/2010/11/22/samsung-focusing-more-on-windows-7-in-2011-but-will-it-matter/
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Damn
Samusung needs to give up on smartphones because they have no clue what their doing.
They have great screens & top notch processor but missing the most important factors. QC & SUPPORT!!!
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Damn
Samusung needs to give up on smartphones because they have no clue what their doing.
They have great screens & top notch processor but missing the most important factors. QC & SUPPORT!!!
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Yeah you can tell how tarded they are by them having the hottest phone on the planet and neglecting it.
MLHickey:
Actually, I completely forgot to mention, I don't know that I would use the keyboard much anyway. I guess if it was there, I may start to use it, but I like the touch screen keyboard, I'm quite fast with them. In fact I still use T9 a LOT, especially while I'm driving. So as far as the keyboard goes, not a huge pro/con for me. When I mention texting speeds, I just want the phone to be able to keep up with me. My experience with the HTC hero is bad in the sense that I'll be waiting every few words for the phone to catch up so I can check for errors before continuing to type.
imwillzillla:
Those are some really good points! So if I root the Evo with a custom rom, the speeds will be comparable to a rooted epic? And how come HTC stuff comes out first/sooner? Just because the phone has been out longer?
Windows 7... ew. Those are definitely some good points. Do HTC updates and that matter much if I'm installing a custom ROM?
Thanks guys.
Note: I heard the Evo now comes stocked with something that prevents it from being rooted and still today they've yet to break it. Any truth to this?
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MLHickey:
Note: I heard the Evo now comes stocked with something that prevents it from being rooted and still today they've yet to break it. Any truth to this?
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My Evo is a week old and UnrEVOked worked fine for me.
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My Evo is a week old and UnrEVOked worked fine for me.
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Great news. I've been leaning towards the evo... looks like it's decided. Thanks again MLHickey.
Last note is, should I wait for early 2011 in case HTC releases something crazy. I mean, I can live on my HTC hero a few more months if I need to.
Just thought as an epic owner Im obligated to reply. The choice is a hard one, but the epic is faster, a better screen (even if slightly smaller) and since its basically stock android doesnt need roms like cynagen to be super fast and its only slightly thicker then the evo. You also get better battery life on the epic.
As for the keyboard, its really not that bad, and a keyboard is better then nothing at times when touch typing just isnt working out as planned.
I had the same hard decesion and luckily when I was visiting home a few weeks ago I got to play with my parents evo. Don't let the benchmarks fool you, the epic is much faster, plus that screen, you get size shock from the evo, but color and contrast shock from the epic. Plus you can install htcs awesome on screen keyboard on the epic. Its the best of all worlds in my book. The evo will have faster updates though, but really.. updates are almost superficial because by time android 2.2 is unsupported should they stop there you will likely be getting a new phone. Gps might or might not work better on the evo, some epics are fine, others aren't.
Just my 2 cents.
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Just thought as an epic owner Im obligated to reply. The choice is a hard one, but the epic is faster, a better screen (even if slightly smaller) and since its basically stock android doesnt need roms like cynagen to be super fast and its only slightly thicker then the evo. You also get better battery life on the epic.
As for the keyboard, its really not that bad, and a keyboard is better then nothing at times when touch typing just isnt working out as planned.
I had the same hard decesion and luckily when I was visiting home a few weeks ago I got to play with my parents evo. Don't let the benchmarks fool you, the epic is much faster, plus that screen, you get size shock from the evo, but color and contrast shock from the epic. Plus you can install htcs awesome on screen keyboard on the epic. Its the best of all worlds in my book. The evo will have faster updates though, but really.. updates are almost superficial because by time android 2.2 is unsupported should they stop there you will likely be getting a new phone. Gps might or might not work better on the evo, some epics are fine, others aren't.
Just my 2 cents.
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But what about Epic's ugly azz cool color temperature?! Whites look grey on it, screen has blue tint... sorry, photographer coming out in me, but Evo's colors are much more accurate.
quote: "especially while I'm driving. " i dont care what phone you have, this is dangerous and very stupid. please refrain from texting while driving.
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Just thought as an epic owner Im obligated to reply. The choice is a hard one, but the epic is faster, a better screen (even if slightly smaller) and since its basically stock android doesnt need roms like cynagen to be super fast and its only slightly thicker then the evo. You also get better battery life on the epic.
As for the keyboard, its really not that bad, and a keyboard is better then nothing at times when touch typing just isnt working out as planned.
I had the same hard decesion and luckily when I was visiting home a few weeks ago I got to play with my parents evo. Don't let the benchmarks fool you, the epic is much faster, plus that screen, you get size shock from the evo, but color and contrast shock from the epic. Plus you can install htcs awesome on screen keyboard on the epic. Its the best of all worlds in my book. The evo will have faster updates though, but really.. updates are almost superficial because by time android 2.2 is unsupported should they stop there you will likely be getting a new phone. Gps might or might not work better on the evo, some epics are fine, others aren't.
Just my 2 cents.
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Is your two cents from owning both? My battery lasts way longer than my girls epic
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Is your two cents from owning both? My battery lasts way longer than my girls epic
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I'm not tryna sound biased but u gotta be kidding me.. maybe ur gf's usage is much higher.. honestly 4 of my friends have evo's and whenever we're chilling on either of our houses, they fight over the charger.. although my epic is rooted and has custom rom+kernel and their evo doesn't but even b4 i rooted mine i had much better battery life..
The keyboard on this thing is not great, but it beats having none. WPM will not be high with this keyboard, although accuracy is not bad. Still, coming from a Hero, I really like having a keyboard now.
The main gripe is Samsung's poor support, small ROM, and the gps on this thing.
If you text a lot, this should still be your choice as it is faster than virtual keyboards.
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Is your two cents from owning both? My battery lasts way longer than my girls epic
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Lets be a smarta$$ about it.
Anyways.
No. I have asked about the Evo's battery life and I quite frequently hear it hardly makes it through the day from people who DO own them. I've had mine unplugged with moderate use and plenty of calls since 7am and its at 40% right now at 11PM. Now to be fair.. my Epic is rooted with the battery sucking processes from Sprint/Samsung cut out, the Evo's i've heard about are stock. If both were rooted you'd probably cut similar results.
They both have 1500MAH batteries, they will both be roughly the same if you cut the fat out of each I imagine.
As for the screen, yeah the colors are not as accurate, but you're not going to notice, they have a cooler look to them which bothers the heck out of graphics designers and the like heh heh but really.. it's still stunning in comparison to the evo, but thats just MY opinion.
You really need to go into the Sprint store and play with both as much as you can.... you really can't go wrong with either of them and their pro's and con's split pretty evenly.
1) for the keyboard issue..try disabling Swype and use the hardware kb.
2) Epic even with the custom roms we have is doing fairly well...I mean take all the custom roms on the EVO and the Epic and you'll notice there isn't too much difference...most of the advantages EVO had was gotten from the Nexus One which hopefully we will get from the Nexus S.
3) You can do a bunch with custom roms on the EVO to make it run smoother but It'll never run as smooth as the epic.
4) The colors can't be more accurate on the EVO because its only 64k colors..if anything Droid X has probably the most accurate colors...but since EVO is only 64k colors it won't be accurate...the Super AMOLED tends to be mroe blue because the blue dies out the fastest...over time it balances itself out...on my device though if I set it to 100% brightness its white as I lower the brightness it turns grayish..but thats what lowering brightness is suppose to do...
5) Yeah.. texting while driving is bad...
6) Battery life varies by your usage..overall though if you configure it best you can on both devices Epic will win.
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Lets be a smarta$$ about it.
Anyways.
No. I have asked about the Evo's battery life and I quite frequently hear it hardly makes it through the day from people who DO own them. I've had mine unplugged with moderate use and plenty of calls since 7am and its at 40% right now at 11PM. Now to be fair.. my Epic is rooted with the battery sucking processes from Sprint/Samsung cut out, the Evo's i've heard about are stock. If both were rooted you'd probably cut similar results.
They both have 1500MAH batteries, they will both be roughly the same if you cut the fat out of each I imagine.
As for the screen, yeah the colors are not as accurate, but you're not going to notice, they have a cooler look to them which bothers the heck out of graphics designers and the like heh heh but really.. it's still stunning in comparison to the evo, but thats just MY opinion.
You really need to go into the Sprint store and play with both as much as you can.... you really can't go wrong with either of them and their pro's and con's split pretty evenly.
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i had to read that twice, he wasnt talkin about you only having two cents... he was referring to owning both phones... just kinda seemed like u took that the wrong way...
Personally, I never got to actually play around with an evo but I will say these things about my epic:
The keyboard, though sometimes annoying, is a great bonus to have for those who text/email/im/fb/whatever a lot. And you can bring the htc keyboard over to the epic as well.
The battery life on custom roms/kernels seems to be better when compared to most evo scenarios (I don't have an evo so don't quote me)
The color temps can be fixed using voodoo color.
The phone DEFINITELY responds better to user input than the evo, hands down (probably due to the evo having so much bloat, and also due to the better built cortex processor)
Updates on the evo happen more quickly, this is very true. But our devs have done a great job fixing MOST of our major issues.
This is a big one that people seem to be failing to mention. The new froyo modems seem to FIX gps PERMANENTLY. I've been running wifi on my epic for days without a reboot and gps is on hot start (not using the cold start workaround) and every time I get a full lock within seconds (using gps status).
All in all, I love my epic and the way it runs thanks to our community, but if you want a more reliable manufacturer (and a community that isn't chock full of spoiled brats who's parents bought them the phone), go with the evo.
If you can deal with the slower updates and the forum nonsense, go with the epic.
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Lol!
I think more kids end up with an epic over an evo just because of the keyboard. Look son it has a keyboard so you can type fast! "OMG L33T AHH! SWEET!" lol..
I wonder how many kids actually are on these forums when I was 12 I wasn't looking for ways to hack my cell phone... then again when I was 12 I think that Motorola "flip" phone that looked like something outta star trek was the most popular one for being so "portable". lol
uhm no, thats why there are sidekicks.. i doubt u will c a kid with an epic or evo..
Im currently on a Vibrant running the mighty Bionix after taking my phone on a rom marathon all the way to 2.3.5 and back.
Ive realized touch screen keyboards annoy the crap out of me and I rather use a qwerty keyboard... Samsung will soon be releasing the Galaxy M Pro and Motorola will release the Pro+ - both qwerty Android phones... Which one would you choose? Ive never owned a Motorola smartphone so I dont know how they are in terms of build quality and xda ROM development.
Just get a blackberry. Android qwerty phones are pretty terrible tbh. The new os7 blackberries are battery smooth... Tried them yesterday, and was a bit shocked bh...
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I agree with N8ter. If you must have a qwerty keyboard, get a BB.
BB OS is way tooo primitive for me, hence why the Android qwertys are appealing to me.. perhaps the new ones coming out may be better? What makes the older ones terrible?
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BB OS is way tooo primitive for me, hence why the Android qwertys are appealing to me.. perhaps the new ones coming out may be better? What makes the older ones terrible?
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Spoken like someone who hasn't uses a bb7 device, or even a bb6 device.
Enjoy those terrible keyboards android phones. Rim has patented their keyboards so the chances of getting one as good on an android phone is slime to none.
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i had a motorola droid and i it was a great phone. the build quality and feel of the droid was so much better than the vibrant. i havent tried a newer motorola, but i wish tmobile would get a powerful motorola phone. oh yeah, the gps worked perfectly on the droid.
Landscape keyboards are kinda bad. Plus its impossible to get a consistently high typing speed on them (4 me). So much reach needed so often.
Problem I had with the droid ii keyboard was how stiff the keys were. It was really incredible feeling like I had just left the gym after typing on one of those...
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I had a my touch slide 3g and loved it and could type faster on that than I can on the Vibrant. Maybe check out the new slide and see what you think. And I have to agree with others here if you want a portrait keyboard get a blackberry.
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Love touchscreen keyboard,
but is Motorola have a better sound quality based on its crystaltalk?
I own 2 AT&T Fuzes (HTC Touch Pro). Bought 1 on 11/8/208. The day it was released in the U.S.
I owned an AT&T Tilt 2 (HTC Touch Pro2) for a little more than a year.
and now I own an LG Quantum.
With all 3 devices, the slide out keyboards worked well and it's easy to get to all the keys. Just use your left thumb for the left side of the keyboard, and your right thumb for the right side of the keyboard. Doing that will avoid any reach issues. Take some time to get used to and learn any odd key placements and you should be able to pump out text at a more rapid rate than with an on screen keyboards where there is no real tactile feel aside from a vibration.
With the suggested words list in Windows Phone 7, I am finding that I use the slide out keyboard much less than with the other devices. With it, I am entering text as fast as I used to with swype.
You might also want to wait until Tuesday when the masses get Mango. It's supposed to have speach to text for text messaging and will read them to you as well. Much better and safer when driving. In most or many states it's illegal to text and drive, not that the law has stopped anyone from doing it though.