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Vibrant for nexus?

Im thinking to trade brand new vibrant for mint condition nexus one with all orginal stuff that came with it? good deal? vibrants too buggy man?

The smaller screen and the not as good touch screen really makes the deal sour. I have both and the nexus is awesome for hacking and Rom dev. But this phone is.just so damn beautiful.
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Honestly, if you can wait a month (Or so they say) for froyo + driver fixes, vibrant will perform better in all ways.

nick_karstedt said:
Honestly, if you can wait a month (Or so they say) for froyo + driver fixes, vibrant will perform better in all ways.
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Agreed, patience will pay off.

Pm me. Have an N1. Had it since launch T-Mobile. Only one little mark on side. Pics if you want. All original box and everything it came w. Plus a gel case and black siedio slider case.

is it me or the keyboard rotates very slow like when u rotate it goes laggyish also sometimes its standing up and its on rotation as in sideways

I got a Vibrant on the release to replace my N1...
But it has been almost 2 weeks but I cannot do it any longer... I switched back to my N1 today.. My reasons were:
trackball-- I always miss type and the trackball is soo much easier than..
battery life-- same usage but the Samsung cannot make it all day..
2.2.. Main reason, love the built in teethering and speed.
N1 car kit-great for hands free.
online support-- lots of n1 roms.
cover-belt clip--both phones are HUGE and trying to find a belt clip to carry them sucks, I found one for the N1 I love and there are really none out there for the Vibrant..
So, I love the Samsung and think as soon as a 2.2 rom comes out I will switch back but for now I will continue using the N1...

bigg12x said:
is it me or the keyboard rotates very slow like when u rotate it goes laggyish also sometimes its standing up and its on rotation as in sideways
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Nothing is slow about this phone to me. Just wit for 2.2.. gonna make it way faster...

Trackball is ugly, and there is a D-Pad in Swype/Samsung keyboards.
Online support? Please.. I can bet you any amount of money that a majority of the "support" is not worth the time or frustration. I can never wrap my head around the people that act like their HTC devices have all of this great support when in fact it's really not very good at all.
Barnacle WiFi tether works great
Battery life is subjective but there is something that you weren't doing on the N1 that you we're doing on the Vibrant because it doesn't make sense for it to be any worse.

Ive had the N1 and to be honest where it failed for me was the reception wasnt that great where i lived, everything else was nice and i do miss my flash (for flashlight reasons) but IMO the vibrant is a lot better in many ways, screen, reception, and being able to play my emulators are 3 reasons, plus i really like the small things that samsung implemented here and there, like the wifi and gps in the notification bar.
The vibrant running 2.1 is just as good as the nexus running 2.2 so what you think is gonna happen when the vibrant gets 2.2? the stupid little issues here and there are things that can be fixed with a minor update,I actually fixed my GPS and slow market issues with a factory reset and its super fast IMO runs faster than the Nexus in many ways.

Honestly its really up to the person. Each person is going to like phones differently. Spec wise though I think the Vibrant has the N1 beat. Larger better screen, better CPU, more storage space, better camera. The N1 has a flash, track ball and 2.2. Of course it has more online support, its been out for 7 months. Give the Vibrant sometime and it will have a lot of support too.

People keep citing reasons for swapping that really aren't reasons at all - they just don't know which programs to use on the vibrant to enable functionality. They are just used to their n1, and seem stuck in a rut.
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I sold my N1 on Ebay and ordered a Vibrant. I love the Vibrant. The touch screen responsiveness is amazing compared to the N1. The screen is much better. But consider that I bought the N1 at release, one of the initial 20,000. I had none of the problems others had with it, but it is 6 mos later so there is bound to be a better phone out there. It is just trading up. I wanted TV out. I could sacrifice a trackball for that. Overall I think the N1 was an amazing and groundbreaking device, but 6 mos later, the Vibrant is the most powerful device on the market.

Gr8gorilla said:
I wanted TV out.
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The vibrant has tv out?
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to be honest i never had a nexus my cousin does and i seen it with him for 4 months os i play with it and no problems at all u know... so far with vibrant, laggy roatition, battery not accurate on top, signal bars not accurate, gps down, pop up fully charged alert, facebook sycn always down, thats about it so i was thinking of selling it nad gettin a mint condtion nexus for 375

not many ppl would trade i dont think

i mean i can sell it for $400 and get one u know

Are you happy with your x10? (YES/NO) And Why?

Please vote and post why you like your x10
And if you could have any phone right now other than x10 what would it be?

I own a Sensuous Black Xperia X10i and its one of the best phones out there. Though it has Android 1.6, it offers everything i want. It looks cool, works well, i get a good battery life. Am very satisfied with the phone

Yes,
Because I bought it! It has the design factor I am looking for, its android and its white and its Sony + its a perfect size, not too big like HD2 and not too small like iphone. It fits in hand really nicely. Since I like tech, I wished it had the most updated android as well but I will wait.

VERY happy with my X10!!! I sold my Nexus One running 2.2 for it. Never once did I look back and say "damn, why did I do that". Although the X10 is only running 1.6 it does a damn good job at it. The phone is sexy as hell, far better looking than alot of others out there imo anyway...and when 2.1 hits its gonna be SWEET!!!!
ps. I was all hyped about 2.2 when I had my nexus, when I got it ota I was very disapointed! all the hype for absolutly NO difference in my opinion....a couple extra useless options and did not notice any speed difference...so with the X10 just dropping 2.1 im totally cool with it.

No I am not happy with the Xperia x10 (I have the black one)
It looks cool as all hell, and has a nice display, but these problems are quite upsetting:
1. So sign of multi touch ever (Its important to me, dont care is anyone else cares or not)
2. I can hear people fine, though a bit quiet, but other can't hear me sometimes.
3. Typing on it is hard.
4. Screen collects fingerprints and does not have an oil resistant coating.
I find the phone runs fast, smooth. And I love the camera, but I can't put up with these issues.
Hope that someone accepts my offer to trade me either an iphone 3gs or 4

gunstar3035 said:
No I am not happy with the Xperia x10 (I have the black one)
3. Typing on it is hard.
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Typing on any touchscreen is a bit of a challenge with a full QWERTY keyboard - but withAndroid (even 1.6 ) you can install a plethora of other input options (ie. Swype, which is faster and easiter than anything ever.)
Oh, yeah, and I love my x10.

Mr Patchy Patch said:
VERY happy with my X10!!! I sold my Nexus One running 2.2 for it. Never once did I look back and say "damn, why did I do that". Although the X10 is only running 1.6 it does a damn good job at it. The phone is sexy as hell, far better looking than alot of others out there imo anyway...and when 2.1 hits its gonna be SWEET!!!!
ps. I was all hyped about 2.2 when I had my nexus, when I got it ota I was very disapointed! all the hype for absolutly NO difference in my opinion....a couple extra useless options and did not notice any speed difference...so with the X10 just dropping 2.1 im totally cool with it.
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Yup was totally disappointed with the N1 the X10 is much better IMO. All the hype with 2.2 is overblown. On the N1 I didn't see the dramatic speed improvements. I don't even know what Google was thinking releasing Activesync support in the half broken state they did, at least in terms of corp. email support. I am curious to see how much faster the X10 will be with 2.1 on it.

k1sr said:
Typing on any touchscreen is a bit of a challenge with a full QWERTY keyboard - but withAndroid (even 1.6 ) you can install a plethora of other input options (ie. Swype, which is faster and easiter than anything ever.)
Oh, yeah, and I love my x10.
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Yeah I installed the HTC keyboard and it was better. I honestly think that the lack of MT is causing me issues. I can type with my wives iphone 3GS no problem and I think its because I am a very fast texter, hell I text faster than I type! I think I end up hitting multiple keys with the x10 causing the errors.

phoneguy 4567 said:
Yup was totally disappointed with the N1 the X10 is much better IMO. All the hype with 2.2 is overblown. On the N1 I didn't see the dramatic speed improvements. I don't even know what Google was thinking releasing Activesync support in the half broken state they did, at least in terms of corp. email support. I am curious to see how much faster the X10 will be with 2.1 on it.
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I can't say I was disappointed with the N1...but I sure was unhappy about froyo. While the N1 is without a doubt an awesome phone I love my X10 that much more. I can honestly say I don't want any other phone out there right now.
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No.
Bought it when the multi-touch announcement came about, was on the fence until that. Was later greeted by the fact that it lacks it from a hardware standpoint, after spending my $600. Thought it was alright, could live without it. Grew more and more annoyed with laggy software, and then the straw that broke the camel's back was that I started having random restarts.
My phone is now un-usable if there is a sim card inside (will restart on boot), and is waiting to be shipped out to SE for repair.
What phone would I get if I had the option? Probably the EVO 4G or the Iphone 4.

NO
i got SE X10 white
i admit its sexy as hell
but
1- in call volume is very low , i barely can hear people when im walkin in the streets
2- lack of MT
3- low amount of RAM unlinke nexus
4- it lags alot of times

YES.
I bought the phone the day it came out and it set me back bought 700$. Coming from an iPhone that wasn't jailbroken before ios having an x10 was a whole new view on freedom. It was first laggy at first, but after debrand, rooting, new software, etc. I'm starting to like this phone a lot. Only lags on lock screen.
Browsing is great on the huge screen and typing on the horizontal keyboard isn't awkward like the iPhone. Tactile feedback is great too. The only thing ill probably ***** about is no multitouch. Can't play fps games like on iPhone. But its only games.
Writing reports on the phone in documents to go is great too.
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Like the phone so much. I learn something new everyday. White has a killer looks. One guy who owns a 3GS told me after playing with my phone for your few minutes and after I shown him the demo movie that was on the phone, that he's going to buy one. Android Market is great, whatever you want your phone to do, there's an application in the Market that will make it happen...

I have the Sensuous Black too, and love it!
It's a Sony Ericsson, it's touch-screen, it's Android & it's a beautiful piece of equipment, and even if it wasn't getting an O.S upgrade would have still bought it. 1.6 gives me everything I need, so the upgrade is going to be nothing more than a bonus for me.

Yup, love mine with exception of bluetooth not working with my car kit. 9/10
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I'm not voting because I don't even know if I'm happy with my x10. Being my first Android phone, I can say that I'm having fun playing around with it, and its non-iPhone-like looks allows it to stand out from the crowd. Somehow, I'm having regrets on buying it, but I think I would probably still feel some regrets if I had gotten a Nexus One or Galaxy S (btw Galaxy S was available to me at $0, as was the X10). I guess I'm just not ready for the Android platform, as I still feel that it's much easier to make phone calls on a Symbian(Nokia) phone. Also, the lack of Ovi Maps and PuTTy on my new phone leaves much to be desired. Connectbot just doesn't cut it, as lots of page switching is required when using it with Full Keyboard. Not exactly the kind of hassle a VIM user would expect.
My other gripes with the X10 are probably the common ones mentioned throughout the X10 community, like the outdated OS, MT, yada yada. Still, I'd give anything to own an Android phone which doesn't look like the iPhone.
Edit: Hah, this is funny. About 30 minutes after I posted this message, I received an update notification about Connectbot. Turns out the new update allows me to send Ctrl and Esc without having to use Full Keyboard, so I'm all good with VIM now

i voted no because i got the phone the first month it was relased. so i just used it for one month and the phone died :'( from april till now trying to find a solution :'( wish it comes back to life some day... now im really thinking about getting an x10min pro and move on with my life right now just using the crazy wild x1

Hells yeah.
Absolutely no problems with the phone. Tons of great features!
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kkarnaout said:
i voted no because i got the phone the first month it was relased. so i just used it for one month and the phone died
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Where did you get it from?
EDIT: Just bumped one of your posts.

Maybe.
Why?
Because at the moment I don't have Wi Fi or a data plan, so I don't know the full features of the phone. I'm in a new country before school has started, so no contacts because I haven't made friends yet. So really, there is not much use for me except listening to a few songs and watching podcasts.
I personally like Apple's iTunes store to get applications and to easily transfer media to your device. There is no such online store for Android. It makes my life harder because you are forced to use an internet connection on your phone to get apps.
It also sucks that you can't make your computer internet connection (wired) into a wireless one for your phone to use. You can do the reverse, tethering, but no reverse-tethering.
Plus the battery life is concerning me. I'm forced to uninstall applications that I may use later on for a better battery life. My iPod touch has better battery life than the SE Xperia X10.
I'll just have to see after I get my Wi Fi working. At the moment I rarely even use my phone. Hopefully it turns into a miracle.

All i need is a little convincing...

Hey guys. Im new to the forum, I've been over at M3 with my Motorola Cliq. I have a full upgrade available to me, and right now im considering the Vibrant since my fiance just got the captivate and its pretty sexy.
The only problem is, I dont know anyone with a vibrant, so instead of googling for bonehead reviews, i figured id post here and get opinions from people who are actually involved with their phones (and i will most likely root it). So my main question is, why should I get this phone instead of waiting for the G2 or the MyTouch HD? What are its main downfalls? Also, how is root on this phone? Hows the tethering, overclocking/underclocking? It looks like theres plenty of ROM support. Also, after briefly skimming through these forums, I'm seeing a lot of stuff on a "lag fix". What lag are you referring to?
So I welcome your personal opinions, good or bad, i appreciate it. Thanks.
PS - Cosmetically I must admit I'm not impressed. The IPhone-like body repelled me at first, and it really does feel like it may be TOO light. But if the good outweighs the bad, im sure i can get used to these things.

best screen on the market
hummingbird processor is superior to snapdragons
it's thin and light, barely noticeable in your pocket
super easy to root, super easy to tether without apps (instructions for OSX)
major downfalls include waiting on samsung's lackluster support and some users are experiencing GPS issues
i personally thought my vibrant was still more responsive on 2.1 than an EVO i was playing around with on 2.2. i can't wait until this phone gets froyo, it should fly!

lolcopter said:
best screen on the market
hummingbird processor is superior to snapdragons
it's thin and light, barely noticeable in your pocket
super easy to root, super easy to tether without apps (instructions for OSX)
major downfalls include waiting on samsung's lackluster support and some users are experiencing GPS issues
i personally thought my vibrant was still more responsive on 2.1 than an EVO i was playing around with on 2.2. i can't wait until this phone gets froyo, it should fly!
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Thanks for your input. Well, I'm pretty used to horrible customer loyalty, having had to deal with Motorola for the past 10 months.
Thin and light: I must say, it feels like a toddler could snap it in half. That is one of my main concerns.

Hardware is cool firmware blows. If gps worked i would buy again

98classic said:
Hardware is cool firmware blows. If gps worked i would buy again
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Firmware may blow, but arent there ROMs out there that improve it?

Vibrant all the way!!!!! one of the best phone's out there!!!!!!!!

"Vibrant" screen, memory, speed, processor, thin phone, NO SLIDing KEYWORK, trackpad and touchscreen don't make senses to me... So vibrant all the way. For rooting i used "one click rooting" and lag fix i used Ryan's Lag fix, and to fix the GPS i used "vibrant-JI2-GPS.zip" (room manager needed)

TopShelf10 said:
Firmware may blow, but aren't there ROMs out there that improve it?
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Yes. I'm using Bionix's mods & he's got the GPS & all that other stuff fixed in his ROM. As long as you use a custom ROM it's all good.

I was disappointed with the stock firmware, and had started regretting my purchase. Then I rooted the phone and applied the bionix ROM, and now I'm loving my phone.
The thing is, Samsung takes a long while to support upgrades to Android, so if that's a problem, you may want to go HTC G2. Personally, I don't like the slideout keyboard, because they invariably feel more flimsy and prone to break than the candybar style of phone.
The GPS has been a problem for many people, myself included. Samsung has acknowledged the problem and is reportedly working on a fix. I can tell you that the bionix rom, like several others, incorporates a fix that has made it workable for me.
Another issue for many of us is the lack of a front-facing camera. Another poster has found the hardware for it online for $17 US, and I hear that one of the developers may be working on the software.
Overall the phone, once a custom rom is in place, is snappy and a good performer. After flashing the rom, my only real complaint has been the poor T-Mobile coverage, especially in my home. There is a recent rumor that T-Mobile is going to enable UMA (cell phone calls over wifi) for recent Android phones. That would pretty much finish off any of my complaints...
Hope this helps

I have not owned any other smart phones before I purchased this Vibrant. That being said, I absolutely love this phone. The only issues I have had with it is the GPS problem (takes forever to lock on and loses signal randomly than can't find a lock again for quite some time) and the "Lag". For clarification, the "Lag" is a very minor issue that affects only some phones, and is only noticed by the picky users IMO. Basically, you click on something and the phone "lags" out every now and than for maybe 1 second.
Now it needs to be stated that not all Vibrants are experiencing these issues. My wife has a Vibrant as well and has not noticed any major issues with her GPS, while I have on mine.
However, if you have no qualms with modding your device, the two major issues this phone has can easily be fixed. Rooting couldn't be simpler with the One Click Root (You install it on your computer, attach your phone, and click a button, than follow 3 easy steps on your phone). There are One Click Lag fixes that are just as easy (Which can be downloaded from the market). I have used it and it without issue. The GPS can be fixed by either flashing one of the multiple fixes out there, or simply installing a custom ROM from Bionix, or Eugene. (I am currently using Eugenes Frankin-Twiz and my GPS locks on in about 20 seconds, and hasn't lost signal once.)
That being said, I have heard that a JI5 update for our device is being rolled out pretty much as I speak via KIES. Don't know what that update fixes, but from what little I have read, people that had GPS issues are no longer having them after updating. I just backed up my current ROM and will likely be flashing the update shortly to test it out.
Hope this helps in your decision.

IDtheTarget said:
Another issue for many of us is the lack of a front-facing camera. Another poster has found the hardware for it online for $17 US, and I hear that one of the developers may be working on the software.
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WHAT??? i though it was impossible... do u have a link of this thread, i been looking for this bad not luck. Thanks

Dragoth12 said:
For clarification, the "Lag" is a very minor issue that affects only some phones, and is only noticed by the picky users IMO. Basically, you click on something and the phone "lags" out every now and than for maybe 1 second.
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You wouldn't say that if you used an app that hits the database hard.
Newsrob for example, an excellent google reader app. It's SLOW on a stock vibrant. Apply any of the lag fixes, and it FLIES.
For many apps, I would actually agree that it's nit-picky. However, Samsung F-ed up by trying to force their stupid proprietary filesystem on all of us when standard ones perform significantly better. There's no good reason to cripple this excellent hardware with crap software when free, open source software that is already in the Linux kernel Android is based on is so much better.

Thanks guys. Im surprised these threads dont have a "thank" button

i do regret jumping the gun on getting the vibrant, because i'm a huge fan of physical keyboards, and the g2 looks to have a pretty decent one. with that said, that is the only advantage the g2 has.
vibrant's pros-
display. i really don't think we'll see another phone that can match this phone's screen for a good while.
tv out. loading movies up on my phone and plugging them into the tv is fantastic!
gpu. everytime i check out some market games, the general comment concensus shows that the galaxy s phones never really have an issue running any games. the ps1 emulator running flawless is pretty much all the proof you need.
dev support. coming from the g1 with cyanogenmod, i was kinda worried that we wouldn't have any decent devs working on this thing, but my worries were unfounded. the user sombionix has made a ROM on his own (as far as i know) that has made this phone into the powerhouse it should be. the battery life is worlds better, it runs like i expected it to run when i first got it, and the list goes on. there's also a handful of other users whipping up some pretty decent themes and mods for us.
that's all i can think of at the moment. my personal cons with the phone are no led notification, no keyboard, and certain elements of touchwiz. i really wanna like tw, but there are some features that should be able to be changed or completely disabled.
so it's really up to you. just know (as i learned) that once you buy a phone you really want, there's gonna be 5 more just around the corner that you'll really want too. so just do some research, weigh the pros and cons, and go from there. luckily for us consumers, we've reached the point where there's nothing but good **** coming out, so let's reap the benefits.

I've noticed alot of Devs are moving towards the Vibrant, that says it all. Yes there are minor issues but fixes are already present and official fixes are on the way. Plus when we get Froyo, this baby will be on steroids. Get it! I hear that Walmart is selling it for $99. That should seal the deal for you.

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I would actually agree that it's nit-picky.
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Im actually one of those picky users that you guys are referring to ....processor speed is number one on my list of things that i want out of a smartphonee, thats why i was concerned about this issue, but i hear nothing but positive results from these "lag fixes" so i dont think its enough to affect my decision. heres my list, in order, of important things in a phone for me:
1. Processor - 1gh hummingbird, which can be overclocked/underclocked....+1
2. Storage/Memory - this phone has pllllenty....+2
3. RAM - from what i gather, this phone is up to par, no more no less than the average Android smartphone....0
4. Modding abilities - The developer support for this phone seems very good, with a decent amount of ROMs to choose from that offer your basic root features, and software improvements +1
5. Display - no need to explain....+2
6. Keyboard - Lacks physical keyboard....-1
7. Design - IPhone look is too unoriginal and basic (not looking foward to people asking "derr, is that an iphone??"), phone seems way too prone to damage with being as light as a feather....-2
8. Firmware - I can't grade it, cause it's not something you can judge on paper, but its last on the list because ROMs usually address any issues....0
Well, based on my horrible, makeshift, totally irrelevant grading system...as a non-user, this phone gets a +3.
The only reason im dissecting and trying to pick all of your brains is because, 2yrs is a long time to commit to a phone, and like christpuncher said it will most likely be behind the pack within 6months, and i really want to make sure this phone will put up the longest fight possible.
Android 3.0 should be released around the New Year, whats the likelihood the Vibrant will see that?

huasamaya said:
WHAT??? i though it was impossible... do u have a link of this thread, i been looking for this bad not luck. Thanks
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Here ya go ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=770854

More important then specs and what everyone else thinks in a biased Vibrant forum is what do you want and need. I've owned the MyTouch (1rst Gen) HTC G1 and iPhone (jailbroken), HTC Touch Pro II and Vibrant on T-Mobile. And have used the MyTouch Slide for a few days. I don't think you can compare these phones apples to apples.
At least in my expeirence and view, the MyTouch phones are more along the lines of messaging/social phone. It's outta your way when your not using it (small) and feels more like an on the go phone. In contrast my Vibrant feels more like a premier and capable phone. It's more of a multimedia targeted phone and boasts a stronger cpu and better display. The G2 will have a hardware keyboard and if you've used the Touch Pro II's keyboard (best in market IMO) then you'll have an idea how great HTC's hardware keyboards can be. I miss that keyboard but have grown to live without it on my Vibrant. The G2 from what I've read wont carry the huge specs (800mhz cpu?) of the Vibrant but then again it's not targeted at the same market. I see the G1 and G2 as the do everything good phone.
My best advice is to wait till the G2 comes out and head down to a Tmobile store and play with them. I was set on buying the MyTouch Slide when I headed down to the store and check out the Vibrant b/c of the rave reviews. After holding it in my hands and playing with it, I was amazed but still was going to get the MyTouch Slide. Then I compared price, specs, and features and the Vibrant in my case was a steal after I headed to Walmart where I got it for $150. The MyTouch Slide was selling for $179 at Tmobile.
Anyhow, I would personally purchase the Vibrant again over the MyTouch and I would only want the G2 because it adheres to Android rules more so then Samsung does (filesystem and stock apps).

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Here ya go ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=770854
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PLOP!!! i can't believe it!!! i hope they can make it work!!

TopShelf10 said:
Android 3.0 should be released around the New Year, whats the likelihood the Vibrant will see that?
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If I had to take a shot in the dark I'd say the Vibrant will NOT be seeing 3.0, but that is 100% speculation on my part. I'd imagine the G2 will get 3.0 and probably some updates further than that. That said, the dev support for the Vibrant is outstanding. At the moment I'm rockin' Eugene373's Frankin Twiz and Voodoo lagfix. I'd be willing to bet even if we don't get an "official" 3.0 update that we'll still see it on our Vibrants in due time.

All Evo Shift 4G owners please read and respond

I am looking at purchasing a Shift 4G for my mom to upgrade her from her POS blackberry. I currently have the Big Brother to the Shift (the Supersonic), and absolutely love it, I won't give it up for anything, but my mom would be more suited to an iPhone, however sprint doesn't have the iPhone, and I get a 23% discount through my job.
Could several people respond about the Shift please:
1. Average battery life (moderate usage)
2. Size and Feel of the phone for day to day use
3. How does the keyboard feel for texting
4. How smooth does this redesigned Sense OS feel
5. How well does the camera operate
6. Does the screen size feel ok if you use the touchscreen instead of the slideout KB.
I would prefer non-rooted people to respond to these since I won't be rooting her phone. I want to hear all responses both good, and bad.

So you want us to do the research for you?
^ Shift Faced

Lol yup. Go to the store and play with one. Read the reviews online.

I have my phone rooted but nothing major done to it..even rooting it was easy under the right posts and take from here and there and waa laa it worked great, however; i love this phone..a lot..my first android was a G1 and second a Hero(CDMA) and now this..I have been trying to find something more like the G1..The hero felt like a downgrade and now this phone excites me about the new frontier of android. I OC'd my hero with no avail and to be out performed by phones like the droid and ah whatever..it seems to me this phone is the benchmark of performance and as for your questions:
1. I feel as though I get about 12 hours..when I use it to play games and stuff maybe 6-8
2. I enjoy the keyboard..both physical KB and onscreen..I use both cause I came from a hero with no physical kb but i really like both
3. both KB's work great on texting..i prefer the physical for when I have longer messages to write because its faster IMO, even so the virtual has no lag either.
4. Compared to the Sense UI from the Hero this phone is a HUGE improvement..when I first got my phone I was really impressed with the improvements to the UI because it seemed HTC logged on XDA and got all of our gripes then fixed them
5. I finally used the camera this weekend to take pictures for making invitations to my son's birthday party and I was impressed with the facial recognition. Its 5MP so its no Cannon or Sony but it still does a great job with facial recognition and all
6. As I said earlier I use both and the I have no problem with the screen size interfering with the kb..

The phone feels perfect in your hand. Almost like your holding something other than a phone. The sense UI is great, very smooth and fast. The camera also is great. The still picture quality could be improved if you want to be nit picky, however 720p recording is so amazing. The hardware keyboard is very nice and fast as well. I like it better than my blackberry tour. I would recommend this phone to anyone, anyplace, anytime.

I also have evo, and also was considering picking up a shift for my mom (she has a Samsung moment that is barely functional), I went into sprint store and was able to play with one just a little bit. Was not that impressed, sadly (and I'm a big HTC fan).
Mostly, I felt the HW keyboard was almost unusable (I kept mashing multiple buttons at the same time), yet the HW keyboard is what I thought was supposed to be the attraction to otherwise would-be evo buyers.
As for OP 'wanting others to do his research for him', that's not the case at all, he wants to hear from people who have had more than just a few moments with the shift. Give the guy a break.
***maybe I just can't type well- yet I have no issues typing on my evo ****
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I ordered the Shift ready to exchange it for an Evo at the drop of a hat if I didn't like it, but after a while I'm really happy with this phone. It really doesn't get enough credit for how good it is.
The battery life is good enough that I can use it for moderate-heavy use of texting and internet and still have 1/4 of the battery left at the end of the day. I haven't ever used the 4G though, and I imagine that would change things up.
I came a from a Hero, and the Shift is slightly thicker and taller. It feels pretty sturdy, similar to a Droid. If you're looking for iPhone aesthetic you might be disappointed here.
Not a big fan of the keyboard, or keyboards in general really, so I can't really judge this. I find myself using the on-screen KB most of the time, and it works great. If you're curious, the sliding mechanism is the same used in the Droid and not like the G2's snap out hinge. Definitely prefer this, as the keyboard usually stays shut.
As it happens I don't really like Sense either, but it seems to operate the same as it did on the Hero (and probably the Evo.) It's fast and the widgets are cool, so if you like Sense then I guess you'll really dig it. Myself, I'll take Launcher Pro any day.
The camera is really excellent for a phone. Pictures are taken as fast as an iPhone and saved to your SD before you know it. Image quality isn't amazing and the flash function is sorta just there, but this is to be expected.
I'm really happy with this phone. While I would have preferred a Shift without a keyboard, I'm not at all bothered.

I don't have the time to give a lot of info, but I was really surprised last night.
My phone had been unplugged for almost 24 hours, with average (working most of the day) not heavy as normal usage, and i still had 40% battery left.
Coming from the Moment, this phone is so amazing. And even after seeing how my girlfriend's rooted Evo works, it's still pretty amazing.

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Lol yup. Go to the store and play with one. Read the reviews online.
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I have gone to the store and played with it, I have had my mom check it out as well, she said it seemed ok, I thought it felt like crap, the slider was stiff, the screen didnt rotate to adjust for the keyboard being kicked out. I had these issues with it on 3 different display models at 2 different stores (one sprint store, one best buy), Which is why I asked the new shift community to chime in, if it was left up to my impression at the store, i would say the phone is a piece of **** that shouldn't be sold to consumers. However I doubt that is the case, and I wanted feedback from people who already own one.

Khilbron said:
I am looking at purchasing a Shift 4G for my mom to upgrade her from her POS blackberry. I currently have the Big Brother to the Shift (the Supersonic), and absolutely love it, I won't give it up for anything, but my mom would be more suited to an iPhone, however sprint doesn't have the iPhone, and I get a 23% discount through my job.
Could several people respond about the Shift please:
1. Average battery life (moderate usage)
2. Size and Feel of the phone for day to day use
3. How does the keyboard feel for texting
4. How smooth does this redesigned Sense OS feel
5. How well does the camera operate
6. Does the screen size feel ok if you use the touchscreen instead of the slideout KB.
I would prefer non-rooted people to respond to these since I won't be rooting her phone. I want to hear all responses both good, and bad.
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have you read anything in these forums at all? wtf

Khilbron said:
I have gone to the store and played with it, I have had my mom check it out as well, she said it seemed ok, I thought it felt like crap, the slider was stiff, the screen didnt rotate to adjust for the keyboard being kicked out. I had these issues with it on 3 different display models at 2 different stores (one sprint store, one best buy), Which is why I asked the new shift community to chime in, if it was left up to my impression at the store, i would say the phone is a piece of **** that shouldn't be sold to consumers. However I doubt that is the case, and I wanted feedback from people who already own one.
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the slider is stiff in the store probably due to the protective plastic still being around the keyboard. Otherwise it's very nice (except mine, which is really loose).
The screen rotates just fine when the keyboard is opened. It takes a half-second, but it rotates on all screens, except perhaps the facebook app.
I would actually say this phone is similar build quality to the evo, if not better. It's also the smaller form, which many people like. Not to mention the fact that it has more potential to be OC'd and if the dev's can figure it out, the potential to be a major powerhouse.

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have you read anything in these forums at all? wtf
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*sarcasm* No of course I haven't *sarcasm*, however I don't think you have, the first 7 pages of this 11 page subforum are filled with people complaining about broken hinges, bad sliders, charging problems, ect... which is why I put this thread up, I want to see the positive feedback, I want a reason to buy this phone as a gift for my mother. Generally the praise is left out of the forums, and the help me this is Borked takes over. I Love HTC phones, and as I am sitting I don't have a good reason to select this phone for her or go el cheapo and get her an optimus or an intercept.

First off, I think the EVO is a solid device...one of the few on Sprint.
I really like the EVO Shift better. It has a 2nd generation processor in it so it's slightly faster than the regular EVO w/being on a stock rom. I have not done it but heard it's a beast running the modified over clocked kernel.
Keyboard does get some getting used to, and I find myself using the on-screen keyboard for short text messages and the hardware keyboard on longer emails. HTC is know for durability and extended life (compared to other *cough* Kyocera) so I'm not too worried about the keyboard being extended.
I love to hate Sense UI...there are some features that are amazing and other's that just...well, yack.
The volume key's are always getting in my way, but I just have to "de-program" myself and get used to it. I've only had the Shift for a couple days, so I'll let my body catch up.
Did I mention how fast this device is? That is...even running stock!
I haven't heard it mentioned but I think the battery cover is a nuisance and feels cheap. If I had to do a sliding scale scoring on this device, without any industry experience, I would give it a 8/10 - from a consumer review

Mom, grandma, aunt, female cousin, sister, daughter, niece...when will the madness end? Boys and men, start buying these phones for yourselves!

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have you read anything in these forums at all? wtf
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Exactly what I was thinking. Do some research for yourself.
powered by the tears of a million orphaned alpacas...

I've said it before and I will say it again. A decent android phone that wont break the bank or make you pay the extra ten bucks a month and for someone that isn't a power user is the LG optimus.
Yeah going from a moment to a shift is, form factor wise, about the same so there wouldn't be much to adjust to operating differently besides no cursor button.
Knowing what I do now, if I couldn't afford a top tier phone and monthly bill, I'd go with the little LG. People are giving it very good ratings on sprint's site.
With the screen not going landscape, maybe in screen settings it was turned off. Plus people probably install all kinds of crap on the display phones it bogs it down and lags terribly.

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I've said it before and I will say it again. A decent android phone that wont break the bank or make you pay the extra ten bucks a month and for someone that isn't a power user is the LG optimus
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All new smartphone activations will have the $10 fee now, you might as well get a 4G phone.
Sent from my HTC Evo Shift 4G using the XDA app.

wardfan220 said:
All new smartphone activations will have the $10 fee now, you might as well get a 4G phone.
Sent from my HTC Evo Shift 4G using the XDA app.
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So regardless if the phone is 4g or not, they are gonna charge an extra ten bucks a month?

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So regardless if the phone is 4g or not, they are gonna charge an extra ten bucks a month?
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Yup. There is a post here about it somewhere. I'm in my phone so I don't have a link atm.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/18/sprint-data-plan-fees_n_810279.html
^ Shift Faced

So many 'goodbye' threads.... ;( Heres one more :(

I'll miss my Epic Basically my screen was foobared, so I could of either paid 100$ for an insurance replacement for a 3 generation old phone, or pay nothing and use my 'upgrade' I've had for like approx forever because I kept getting insurance replacements and eventually free upgrades due to not having the old phone in stock. I'll be adding a line anyways to consolidate cell phone plans with my girlfriend, so the new 2 year contract is basically unavoidable, so whatever.
I'll miss my Epic though, and the community I wasn't ready for to move on to a new phone, she still had plenty of life in her. But, I didn't really want to spend 100 bucks on a 3 gen old phone either. That, and I didn't have the 100$ to spend today, and I needed a new phone today,MOD EDITrofanity removed and I have to have my phone (for work). So, I went with the Moto Photon Q.... I'm sorry, the "Motorola Photon Q 4G LTE" stupid long name. It's not like its the phone I researched extensively like normal and every other phone I've ever had ever.. and just decided I HAD TO HAVE after EXTENSIVE research... it was simply the only half-way decent keyboard phone available... and a keyboard is an absolute must. So there we have it, I'm now on a Motorola.. even though I loved my Sammy... It's pretty and its obviously more powerful, but the community just does not seem to be up to the og epic standards... and that's a sad sad day for me. I always verify the community is decent before getting a phone... but I just didn't have a choice.
So, everyone here, go get the Photon Q 4G, especially all the developers, so we can move this entire community over to my phone, so that way I don't notice any difference. ktnx.

I just moved on as well, mainly due to needing a phone compatible with my new Pioneer 8500BHS head-unit. I really struggled with the decision, finally picking the S4 as it was known compatible and has decent support in the community. The Photon was never in contention due to it not having a swappable battery.
The lack of a physical keyboard is the biggest issue for me, for even as I get used to swype, it just is not satisfying for me to input text, compared to the tactile feel of the Epic's keyboard. The bigger screen makes swype a lot more usable. I know now there is NO way I could have a 4" screen phone without a physical keyboard.
I will continue to use my Epic as an interface with Torque, that I can keep in my car, so it will still be in daily use, long into the future.

Sad to see you go. Will miss you guys.

VaderSS said:
I just moved on as well, mainly due to needing a phone compatible with my new Pioneer 8500BHS head-unit. I really struggled with the decision, finally picking the S4 as it was known compatible and has decent support in the community. The Photon was never in contention due to it not having a swappable battery.
The lack of a physical keyboard is the biggest issue for me, for even as I get used to swype, it just is not satisfying for me to input text, compared to the tactile feel of the Epic's keyboard. The bigger screen makes swype a lot more usable. I know now there is NO way I could have a 4" screen phone without a physical keyboard.
I will continue to use my Epic as an interface with Torque, that I can keep in my car, so it will still be in daily use, long into the future.
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I really, unlike any other time in the past, didn't do much research for buying it, I got it because it was the option I had available if I wanted to have a hardware keyboard and stick with Sprint. Even willing to give up Sprint (while I hate their network where I am at, it would just cost a lot more going somewhere else, because I insist on unlimited data as well), there weren't very many options any better. I didn't even realize it didn't have a removable battery until after I was already getting it! That was a huge disappointment. I had like 5 batteries for my Epic. At least it stays charged better so its slightly less of an issue, but not having a battery I can swap on a whim and instantly have 100% charge is a huge disappointment.
But again, it wasn't 'the phone I just had to have', it was simply the only reasonable option I had if I wanted to have a keyboard. And a keyboard is a deal breaker for me. A keyboard, and unlimited data, both deal breakers. That means I got stuck with this phone.
Now I'm not disappointed in it.. I loved my Epic, but this one is definitely obviously way quicker and snappier, but I got a long list of disappointments... but none that keep me from enjoying using it basically.
And theres no way I could go without a hardware keyboard. I remotely connect to computers with my phone so using an onscreen keyboard just doesn't cut it. If I was inputting only real worlds for text messages etc, I could maybe handle an on-screen keyboard.. but I'm not. So I can't.

joshts0 said:
And theres no way I could go without a hardware keyboard. I remotely connect to computers with my phone so using an onscreen keyboard just doesn't cut it. If I was inputting only real worlds for text messages etc, I could maybe handle an on-screen keyboard.. but I'm not. So I can't.
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I fully understand that.
I came real close to switching to T-Mobile and getting a Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G, but It has virtually no community following it. I've been spoiled with the Epic having such strong support. When I switched to the S4, I went from 4.2.2 on my Epic to 4.2.2 on my brand new S4, so it was nowhere near the jump it would have been if I had only been running Samsung supported ROMs.
It really is nice no longer worrying about RAM though.

Not to revive a mostly dead thread, but I got my S4 the other day and it's great although I do miss the community and the physical keyboard some
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Just ordered my Note 3 today! Should be here in a couple of days. Gosh I'm gonna miss this community This phone has been incredible! And the Dev support is second to none. Gonna hang on to the Epic for the kids so I'll still be lurking, but I'm sure most of my focus will be on my new toy So long, you've been a great group!
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If you get a chance, please drop a line on the Note 3 and if you think it was worth it.
I am going to get either the Note 3 or S5, and wonder how much I will miss the stylus.