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Smooth Scrolling?

Is there anything that will take care of that sudden jerk when you start to scroll in the browser? It's very annoying. It's been improved over the stock ROM using other ROMs, but it's still there. When you start to scroll...it snaps/jerks before getting smooth. Yeah, yeah...I know...we have a SNAPdragon processor... LOL...but hope you know what I mean. Seems to only be happening in the browser, stock/dolphin.

Mine seems very smooth in Dolphin, Im not sure what youre refering to exactly. Is there a video or anything that shows what you mean?

mines smooth as can be as well.
Mines smooth with no snap at first...

Agree with the above people. Can you post a video? Mine's just fine.

Only video camera I currently have is on the Nexus. Sorry. But, you really only notice it, I guess, when you do a slight scroll. It's very minute, but...ah...must just be an OCD of mine.

I think I know what you mean. You scroll and its late to react so it jumps ahead. This is something I only noticed after using another device ( that I wont address by name because it hurts peoples feelings around here )which scrolls a lot smoother. And its not just the browser its all scrolling. But again, if I hadn't used the "other" phone first I wouldn't even notice it.

If you are comparing to the iPhone, this is just because the Android browser isn't optimized as much. It has the GPU power to do it, but you can have a computer chiptset in there and it won't run smooth unless the software is further optimized which I'm sure Android is working on...or hope...

DMaverick50 said:
I think I know what you mean. You scroll and its late to react so it jumps ahead.
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Bingo!
Ruben1123 said:
If you are comparing to the iPhone, this is just because the Android browser isn't optimized as much. It has the GPU power to do it, but you can have a computer chiptset in there and it won't run smooth unless the software is further optimized which I'm sure Android is working on...or hope...
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Man...hope they get it done soon! Or, hope a dev is working on something to get it to 100% perfection...or at least 99%....I think it's at about 96-97 right now. LoL

Yep, the iPhone has much smoother scrolling(there, i said it.), i did a direct comparison in google maps between the n1 and my dad's old ipod touch. The touch movement is far smoother and feels more real, as real as a scrolling image on a screen can be i suppose.

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If you are comparing to the iPhone, this is just because the Android browser isn't optimized as much. It has the GPU power to do it, but you can have a computer chiptset in there and it won't run smooth unless the software is further optimized which I'm sure Android is working on...or hope...
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Yeah I agree, android is young but google will take care of the shortcomings. Just have to be patient

I can't believe anyone even noticed this!
I've had my nexus one for near 2 months now (and an iphone before that), and I've never noticed this 'problem' until I looked carefully after reading this thread!

GlenH said:
I can't believe anyone even noticed this!
I've had my nexus one for near 2 months now (and an iphone before that), and I've never noticed this 'problem' until I looked carefully after reading this thread!
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Oops...Sorry!

Odd thing about Nexus One Multi-touch

I downloaded the visualizer app (the one with the 2 dots and not the square)
and yea if I begin on the left side of the screen then touch the right and move around the points hang a bit when they cross and will hardly ever switch (unless u do complex rotating action with both points but then the switch is periodic at best)
but if I begin on the right side of the screen, the points ALWAYS switch...always...
Interesting...does that mean it's a software issue?
I already KNOW this is the wrong section but I feel this is something that could benefit from the most viewed sub forum.
edit: starting from the right side, the points fix themselves when I do the same complex rotating action that sometimes causes point switch starting from the left. I'd record it if I had a camera, but yea.

none of the 163 (at the time of this posting) viewers have anything to say?
not even a "WRONG SECTION NOOB" (Despite my non noobishness) post?
sheesh.

wrong section, noob.

wrong section noob.

hahahhaha LOVE IT.
another interesting update: The previous results were on a Cyanogen Mod...
Using Modaco Desire Alpha 14 I get the EXACT opposite results...
Starting with a finger on the left side of the screen then the right side point switch is guaranteed...whereas starting with a finger on the right then the left point switch is non-existent.
I think it is entirely a software fault...anyone who knows anything have anything to say about it?

then again, the overall finicky-ness of it is probably just a flaw period...though I think it can be fixed with a software update due to the different behavior between ROMs.
seems to switch points at random actually...on the desire ROM especially.

still wrong section noob. haha.

It has been covered by pretty much all tech blogs on the 'net already.
Some think it is a hardware bug, and others think it's software. Who knows.
I don't think it will matter for most people, although I consider it a serious flaw if it is not possible to fix it with software.
And yeah, this might be the wrong section, but it could also turn into a dev issue. "wrong section, noob" was funny the first time.

yea that's why I put it here in the first place, I shoulda added [Think Tank] and then squeezed my statements there...def belongs in General though...any Mod please move there without any Snarky comments prior.

i 'll move it but with snarky comment : use edit button when you want to replay to yourself instead of creating two posts

I just tried that Multitouch Visible Test, and it does not always switch the dots. It is a little bit strange though, because it seems like the dots are just put on the wrong intersect of the red and blue lines. If it is a hardware malfunction it is a very weird one. Some kind of random mirror function.

Maybe its a problem with the app itself and nothing with phones.... comon now, I don't have a problem with multitouch and I think that app is horrible to determine a bad phone..
No offence people, but these issues everyone brings up on this phone isn't a issue at all... the 3g issue is network not phone, the wonky screen is from the wrap around effect, the multitouch issue is retarded.....
The only valid one imo is the dust...... everything else seems irrelevant

temperbad said:
Maybe its a problem with the app itself and nothing with phones.... comon now, I don't have a problem with multitouch and I think that app is horrible to determine a bad phone..
No offence people, but these issues everyone brings up on this phone isn't a issue at all... the 3g issue is network not phone, the wonky screen is from the wrap around effect, the multitouch issue is retarded.....
The only valid one imo is the dust...... everything else seems irrelevant
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The multitouch issue is not app based, otherwise it'd be present on the Droid as well (where it isn't, infact Droid's multitouch is damn near flawless looking at that video and having owned one) Though it's not going to be an issue for anything I and many others current use the phone for (Browsing, Maps, Gallery, anything else that uses pinch to zoom) it will become an issue and may already be for multitouch games...From what I saw it seemed like it is likely software based due to the fact that on the Cyan ROM one thing happened in one order and on the Desire ROM same thing happened (and a bit more buggy) in another order.
But yea, about the 3G issue..I never had that either...in fact my 3G with my N1 is better than the 3G i had with my G1.

AbsoluteDesignz said:
The multitouch issue is not app based, otherwise it'd be present on the Droid as well (where it isn't, infact Droid's multitouch is damn near flawless looking at that video and having owned one) Though it's not going to be an issue for anything I and many others current use the phone for (Browsing, Maps, Gallery, anything else that uses pinch to zoom) it will become an issue and may already be for multitouch games...From what I saw it seemed like it is likely software based due to the fact that on the Cyan ROM one thing happened in one order and on the Desire ROM same thing happened (and a bit more buggy) in another order.
But yea, about the 3G issue..I never had that either...in fact my 3G with my N1 is better than the 3G i had with my G1.
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It may be just that There is different hardware/software in one vs the other.....
I still don't believe it will be a issue, I mean that app your sliding both fingers at the same time, and it only happens some of the time..... I don't believe there will be many games where your performing that kind of action, and even if so it don't happent all the time and may act completely differently in a game than it does in the app..... I mean, if it was a big deal we would notice it in the other pinch to zoom apps, I've tried on pinch to zoom to get it to do anything weird and it don't..... just saying, I don't think this video/app proves much....
Then again, who the hell am I.. lol I don't know shat like anyone....

temperbad said:
It may be just that There is different hardware/software in one vs the other.....
I still don't believe it will be a issue, I mean that app your sliding both fingers at the same time, and it only happens some of the time..... I don't believe there will be many games where your performing that kind of action, and even if so it don't happent all the time and may act completely differently in a game than it does in the app..... I mean, if it was a big deal we would notice it in the other pinch to zoom apps, I've tried on pinch to zoom to get it to do anything weird and it don't..... just saying, I don't think this video/app proves much....
Then again, who the hell am I.. lol I don't know shat like anyone....
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In fact, N1 has only pinch and zoom multitouch whereas droid has native multitouch...
temperbad there are a lot multitouch app in the market which state that Nexus One is not supported due to its multitouch misfunction..
ping pong multitouch is one of these applications..
Propably it is a hardware issue.

temperbad said:
Maybe its a problem with the app itself and nothing with phones.... comon now, I don't have a problem with multitouch and I think that app is horrible to determine a bad phone..
No offence people, but these issues everyone brings up on this phone isn't a issue at all... the 3g issue is network not phone, the wonky screen is from the wrap around effect, the multitouch issue is retarded.....
The only valid one imo is the dust...... everything else seems irrelevant
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Try it in the browser. Pinch zoom out, then rotate your fingers in a circle and continue pinch zooming out. Instead of zooming out, it zooms in.

jerhoyet said:
Try it in the browser. Pinch zoom out, then rotate your fingers in a circle and continue pinch zooming out. Instead of zooming out, it zooms in.
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I have. No issues

temperbad said:
I have. No issues
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It's not all the time, but it happens. It's caused my axis flipping.

maedox said:
It has been covered by pretty much all tech blogs on the 'net already.
Some think it is a hardware bug, and others think it's software. Who knows.
I don't think it will matter for most people, although I consider it a serious flaw if it is not possible to fix it with software.
And yeah, this might be the wrong section, but it could also turn into a dev issue. "wrong section, noob" was funny the first time.
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Its supposed to a software bug.. The same thing produces two different results with two different ROMs....so its not a hardware issue....
AbsoluteDesignz said:
another interesting update: The previous results were on a Cyanogen Mod...
Using Modaco Desire Alpha 14 I get the EXACT opposite results...
Starting with a finger on the left side of the screen then the right side point switch is guaranteed...whereas starting with a finger on the right then the left point switch is non-existent.
I think it is entirely a software fault...anyone who knows anything have anything to say about it?
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temperbad said:
I have. No issues
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I too have absolutely 0 issues with pinch to zoom and rotating, getting my fingers really close together, etc. 0 issues whatsoever.
I'm on the Desire rom though.
Anyway, you have to remember this has absolutely NO importance whatsoever unless you play a lot of games.
If you don't, like me (I have a 360, so I couldn't care less), you'll never really have an issue with this.

potrait in 3.2!

i just found that launcher in 3.2 is now as smooth s butter when running at potrait mode. browser speed is also increased slightly. great news to xoom owners

Yeap, in portrait is working really smooth now, I did not use the browser jet... hahahaha
Just one thing, when you change from portrait to landscape or otherwise it still takes some time to adapt, a few seconds but after that... it goes really smooth....
I did tried some mkv files, but they did not work fine for me... I have seen other users that tried them and work fine for them.. I do not know why...

What about upside down? It used to lag badly upside down.
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thats weird my xoom doesn't lag when upside down...I do it often took....well only when I'm charging and am using a dock

binglut9 said:
thats weird my xoom doesn't lag when upside down...I do it often took....well only when I'm charging and am using a dock
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Its typically on desktop during screen rotation. I know I'm not the only one whose experienced it, I've seen it mentioned a few times before. Its really odd because being upside down should be no different, at least I assume.
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sirius b said:
Its typically on desktop during screen rotation. I know I'm not the only one whose experienced it, I've seen it mentioned a few times before. Its really odd because being upside down should be no different, at least I assume.
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You're definitely not the only one. It was a known issue. Happy to say it's fixed now. Though there's a part of me that still wonders how an issue like that ever made it into a major release in the first place.

i think it turns ALOT faster now. Like, I dont mind turning it because it barely takes time anymore.

hatworthy said:
You're definitely not the only one. It was a known issue. Happy to say it's fixed now. Though there's a part of me that still wonders how an issue like that ever made it into a major release in the first place.
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Good to hear, and you and me both wonder that, not only an official release but multiples, from 3.0 through 3.1.
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Thanks for reporting this. It was the only thing I was scanning all the 3.2 posts for, and no one else had chimed in on the matter quite yet.

hatworthy said:
You're definitely not the only one. It was a known issue. Happy to say it's fixed now. Though there's a part of me that still wonders how an issue like that ever made it into a major release in the first place.
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It was explained at Google I/O I think. Basically Tegra 2 couldn't handle rotation, so they were forced to do it in software. They've probably come up with some clever tricks to optimize things since then, thus the boost in performance.

i still get lag in launcher at portrait mode. not as bad as before, but still lagging.
On the other hand, its very smooth upside down.
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yeah now that I've installed 3.2 I don't see much of a difference at all. Still too laggy for me.

how about trying few times of reboot? cause mine really as smooth as butter now.. removed adw too

3rd Update removed the Lock effect

Haven't totally verified it, but it looks like Samsung took away the Lock effect, watercolor, which gives the nice water sound and lets you splash around the colors on the opening lock screen. Will find out more tomorrow, anyone else experiencing this same option missing ?

another guy in the other ota update thread mentioned the same thing.

I can confirm that it did in fact remove the effect on the lockscreen... What in the world... That was a nice feature. Mind you it lagged beastly for such a powerful device. (Specs sheet wise)
PS: I can definitely see a noticeable difference in speed. It might be just for the time been. But i'll keep you guys posted.

There is something about that water effect that causes more lag than it should. I noticed on my first generation Note 10.1 that disabling it improved speed on the homescreen and even typing. It shouldn't, but it did. When I noticed this I asked two other guys and they were having issues with lag. I told them to disable the water effect. Both also agreed that it improve the speed of the device as a whole.
Doesn't make any sense. I was, however, glad to see the ripple effect gone. It is beautiful though (less the lag)

Why do they take it away...regardless...
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There is something about that water effect that causes more lag than it should. I noticed on my first generation Note 10.1 that disabling it improved speed on the homescreen and even typing. It shouldn't, but it did. When I noticed this I asked two other guys and they were having issues with lag. I told them to disable the water effect. Both also agreed that it improve the speed of the device as a whole.
Doesn't make any sense. I was, however, glad to see the ripple effect gone. It is beautiful though (less the lag)
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If indeed it cause lagged, why not just give the option of the three effects on the lock screen and add, an off feature and let the user of the tablet decide if they want it off or not. They also, have bugs in the high end graphics games crapping out. They also have cause the S-voice to crash when you ask certain questions, they also have contacts created with action memo failing to keep first and last names apart. I will do a video on all this nonsense and post it on youtube. Hopefully, Samsung will see it and respond with some sort of fix for all this stuff, and maybe just maybe they will put back the ripple effect and let us chose if we want it or not. And by the way Samsung if your reading this, your tablet still is laggy at times even with this ripple effect turned off.

abacus0101 said:
Haven't totally verified it, but it looks like Samsung took away the Lock effect, watercolor, which gives the nice water sound and lets you splash around the colors on the opening lock screen. Will find out more tomorrow, anyone else experiencing this same option missing ?
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Yes, the feature seems to be gone along with the option in settings to enable it.
Mark

markn455 said:
Yes, the feature seems to be gone along with the option in settings to enable it.
Mark
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almost ready to return tablet ...cant take samsung and the way they do the updates. total disregard for the user, not fixing the real bugs instead taking away a feature that I found to be quite soothing and liked very much. just frustrating company. I will do a video tomorrow and lets see how samsung responds to my doozy of a video.

Who cares about the water color effect

mywingtophone said:
Who cares about the water color effect
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Seriously. Normally I wouldn't comment on something like this, but if that's what makes you bring the tablet back....smh
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The newest update definitely made the tablet smoother. I am impressed that they put out 3 updates in one month to make the tablet better.
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nrage23 said:
The newest update definitely made the tablet smoother. I am impressed that they put out 3 updates in one month to make the tablet better.
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Ok, well Im wondering what lag you guys are referring to. My point was that all samsung had to do was give an option to turn off, the effect, for those that wanted to, and they could have stated it makes the tablet slightly if any faster. Anyway, Believe it or not, I was able to add it back in for those who like to use it and guess what the lag issues are still fixed. The app is called galaxy locker here is the link and it works like a charm.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lockscreen.galaxy

I wonder if part of the reason for turning it off was for the multiuser cause they needed to make the lock screen more like AOSP?

I thought I was going insane when I turned my tablet on and the watercolor effect was gone. I am hoping they bring it back or at least replace it with something better-looking than the current Tab 3 lock screen.

Do you guys have a slight delay when you press the home button on the note until it lights up to the lockscreen? Mine is smooth are silk once I pass the lock screen but I still have that slightly delay
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redstar299 said:
Do you guys have a slight delay when you press the home button on the note until it lights up to the lockscreen? Mine is smooth are silk once I pass the lock screen but I still have that slightly delay
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My has about a 1 second delay. That is a little improved with the last update. I'm all for them taking out the eye candy like that lockscreen effect and focusing on the basic speed and quality of the apps.

GeorgeP said:
My has about a 1 second delay. That is a little improved with the last update. I'm all for them taking out the eye candy like that lockscreen effect and focusing on the basic speed and quality of the apps.
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Yep at this point it is the only delay I notice,
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Every samsung device I've ever used has this home button delay. Even though the hardware has gotten exponentially faster and the OS has become more and more optimized. At this point it's not a delay anymore, it's a feature.

Lol.. ok cool I was just checking. It's not a big deal. Once you're in I'd say it's definitely snappier since third update
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if you want it back that bad, and still want the fast speed (faster speed IMO), stick with th MJ6 firmware:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47171388&posted=1#post47171388

SS2006 said:
if you want it back that bad, and still want the fast speed (faster speed IMO), stick with th MJ6 firmware:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47171388&posted=1#post47171388
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I've got it back, guess you didn't read the link i posted, which is an app thats downloadable from the play store. Im not rooting this yet. I like the samsung bloat.

Frame Drops like hell

Can anyone please report if they are seeing lots of crazy frame drops on this phone? I'm running rooted Xxx No Limits, but have observed the same on Elemental OS too. When you turn on 'Profile GPU Rendering' in the Developer Settings to 'On screen bars', I see a crazy amount of frame drops every where. I bought this phone because it is suppose to offer the best smoothness and performance rivaling only the Pixel, specially after the fantastic 3T. Attached are some images showing the frame drops on even mundane tasks like scrolling Settings menu. Is anyone else seeing this behavior?
I use Action Launcher, but can anyone report if they see this on their stock launcher or other launchers?
PS: The phone 'seems' smooth and fast when doing these tasks. It doesn't seem to slow down and drop frames like crazy like an S8 or G6, which can be seen with the naked eye. It's only when I turn on GPU profiling that I can detect these frame drops. Is the GPU profiling reporting 'broken' and incorrectly reporting lots of frame drops? I'm confused.

Hey, I just checked and I got the exact same results, maybe even a bit more drops than you do. I'm using the stock launcher. Phone is absolutely smooth aside from that. I'm not sure, but this may be in correspondence with the jelly-scrolling issue? I'm not sure if I'm affected though, if yes, the jelly effect is minimal.
Are you affected by the jelly scrolling?

Chaphasilor said:
Hey, I just checked and I got the exact same results, maybe even a bit more drops than you do. I'm using the stock launcher. Phone is absolutely smooth aside from that. I'm not sure, but this may be in correspondence with the jelly-scrolling issue? I'm not sure if I'm affected though, if yes, the jelly effect is minimal.
Are you affected by the jelly scrolling?
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I don't see the jelly scrolling effect on my phone. I'm not sure if this frame drop issue and the jelly scrolling effect are related. Its interesting to know that you see a lot more frame drops in the rendering.

i agreed with you, for this phone having the latest 835 which is suppose to give a straight line of performance (no frame drops) yet i see a lot of those

what the hell is going on with this phone ...

i dont know if its the phone or the softwere but im so returning, the only reason i bought was because of the 835 and because its was the latest and will give you continues performance, its all a lie

Probably because the screen is upside down!

B3501 said:
Probably because the screen is upside down!
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ha! True!
Its a cheap chinese knock off phone

worldsoutro said:
ha! True!
Its a cheap chinese knock off phone
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100%

Just tested on a Galaxy S8 and that graph looks even worst!!!!
What's happening?!?! Snap 835 is the culprit?
But I've seen a review with the HTC U11 and it doesn't do this.

Yeah mine is far from smooth as well, dunno,it just does not scroll smooth, my Nexus 5 on MIUI is soooo much smoother, way less frame drops.. I suppose theissue will vanish with the right ROM / Optmization, perhaps changing to a different CPU governor could help already..

Is this really a big deal if you can't see it until you run this log that shows you its happening?

atistang said:
Is this really a big deal if you can't see it until you run this log that shows you its happening?
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People are like: "I didn't know I had a problem until I ran this app now I'm like O..M..G!". These people can't be for real. They should try standing on there heads, looking in a mirror, with the phone upside down.. see how it scores.

zone23 said:
People are like: "I didn't know I had a problem until I ran this app now I'm like O..M..G!". These people can't be for real. They should try standing on there heads, looking in a mirror, with the phone upside down.. see how it scores.
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Its like the Jelly scrolling thing. I bet 85% of the people *****ing about it haven't even held a OP5. I watched those videos and then paid close attention to my 6P, guess what? It does the same damn thing!
About the only real issues I have seen are the WiFi and autobrightness issues, and camera performance. The WiFi seems to have been fixed and the camera could and most likely will be improved... I hope.
And from what I have seen out of the camera isn't bad, but it is very average for a phone bought 2 years ago. I just believe the hardware is much more capable of better results.

atistang said:
Its like the Jelly scrolling thing. I bet 85% of the people *****ing about it haven't even held a OP5. I watched those videos and then paid close attention to my 6P, guess what? It does the same damn thing!
About the only real issues I have seen are the WiFi and autobrightness issues, and camera performance. The WiFi seems to have been fixed and the camera could and most likely will be improved... I hope.
And from what I have seen out of the camera isn't bad, but it is very average for a phone bought 2 years ago. I just believe the hardware is much more capable of better results.
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I'm right there with you brother.. The auto brightness has been a "real" issue for me. I have not had the jelly thing but then again I didn't go looking for it. The camera? Well I took what I though were some really nice looking photos over the 4th.

atistang said:
Is this really a big deal if you can't see it until you run this log that shows you its happening?
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zone23 said:
People are like: "I didn't know I had a problem until I ran this app now I'm like O..M..G!". These people can't be for real. They should try standing on there heads, looking in a mirror, with the phone upside down.. see how it scores.
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Thank god I am not the only one, reading through some of the threads I am starting to feel like I am the crazy here. People are like "The phone is smooth but this tool is showing frame drops, **** Oneplus, I am returning this phone."

So they will return a 500€ flagship which runs smooth and they dont notice lags without a tool? They expect that the CPU is the cause of frame drops?
Seriously, this must be a joke. Its just looking for a problem when you dont have one.
I do notice the jelly scrolling, but its minimal, so its kinda cool, like a subtle animation.
Camera could be better but nobody can say its bad, they just overhyped it and didn't meet expectation.
Battery life is like out of this world, I got 8h of SoT, good luck on other phones with that.
No other issues were encountered in the meantime. Perfect phone.

I get drops with the launcher, inc app drawer but it's not significant. I'm currently using a custom kernel as well.
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stebsgb1 said:
I get drops with the launcher, inc app drawer but it's not significant. I'm currently using a custom kernel as well.
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The screenshot you have posted doesn't show any frame drops. Can you let e know what kernel you are using?

Here are my rom and kernel details. No governor settings changes etc, I'm just using the kernel out-the-box.