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[Q] changing recovery type?

just a quick question...
if I change my recovery type, as an example if I change to clockwork using ROMmanager, will i still be able to use my previous nandroid back ups?
and while i know this might be somewhat subjective, recovery image preferences?
is there a "best" one? I am still using the one I originally used on initial rooting... RA-hero...

maybe...if not, its easy enough to flash the recovery back..

You can still use your old recovery images but you have to relocate them. Clockwork stores it's images in a different folder than RA did. However once you flash Clockwork you can just move your old ones to the folder that Clockwork uses and they will still function.

Just a mention, worked great once I moved my nandroids to the new folder. had to let it backup once to create the folder, but easy peasy.
and clockwork seems really nice Lots of features...
but one strange thing... when doing a datawipe for a fresh flash, it seemed to say it was wiping the ext part too? that was annoying, thank god I did a nandroid that included my ext part in the backup. :-\
the most annoying thing about that was when i flashed the Cyanogen rom, none of my apps on ext were there (obviously), so wondering, how the hell can i access the ext part for backing up apps before wiping?

Titanium backup is your friend. It'll back up your apps and their data. It might cause some issues if you are going to a different ROM when restoring the data though. You can try it at least. It's a fantastic little app.

that seems to be a fave 'round these parts, but i have heard of a few issues, like you mentioned...
usually I use Astro from app backup/restore. works, but kinda a PITA.
BUT! I just discovered something ****ing cool about clockwork...
since I did a nandroid that Included my ext part... when i went to install a new rom for SnG (****s n giggles), well the first time I had lost my ext part apps because clockwork wipes it, but then i poked around in the restore options, under advanced restore, it gives me the option of restoring a ext part from a previous nandroid, separately from the rest of that specific backup!
so, in short, what I am testing right now:
1) data wipe (inc ext part) with clockwork.
2) flash of Cyanogen RC1 (flashing a few fixes like VVM and kernel as well)
3) then "restoring" the ext part Only from a previous nandroid backup, hopefully restoring all of my apps...?
booting up right now, results in a few mins.

lol, just realized something obvious...
2.2 (cyanogen RC1) uses a Native a2sd method, not DTs method.... crap, lol.
so next thing is to flash that Darktremmor fix, then see if my apps show? or... anyone got an idea to transfer from ext part to the native method?
EDIT: well, that didnt work, stuck on bootscreen. fug.

OK, so I have decided I am Not a fan of Clockwork recovery... no, sir,.
Could someone point me to a "better" recovery? Like for DLing, perhaps a quick tut on flashing a new recovery image?
Please?

great "quick tut" on the Unlocker site, but I can't post links....
my fav. has been the "unofficial RA" Darch 1.7something, I renamed it "rad" for easy term. typing, so I can't remember the exact name, originally got it from link on Buufed thread.
currently using Darch's Godspeed, it's ok, agree about Clockwork, don't like it.
so what good is Rom Mngr if you don't use Clockwork? sure, it's a shortcut to recovery, but that's all, and I've got Quick Boot for that, any reason not to get rid of Rom Mngr?

i personally do not like clockwork at all.

Dft vs cwm

CWM doesnt seem to work for me. Why do more cooks just do DFT?

Because its easier, and works for 99% of people if you follow directions,and also wrong section for this post.

actually just to thorw my thoughts there. i perfer DTF. i find it kind of disappointing that theres alot of CWM but not of DFT going on.
DEV's please do DFT along with your CWM!!! thank you

And to add to the posts above mine, flashing via cwm is standard on Android phones....

Cwm is way better imo. You need to use selected partitions with each build type. I say make em all flashable through cwm.

I don't get why some have issues with CWM. It's SO much simpler to use in long term operations or if you're a flashoholic. If you say it doesn't work for you, obviously you've done something wrong. Most of the time, it's all a question of having the right partition sizes. If you want ALL ROMs to be compatible, simply flash the 400Mb CWM partition layout and use App2SD+ if you have a leo. If you're a Gingerbread type of guy, flash the 150mb partition size and you're set! Personally what I do is 30mb cache, 120mb system and the rest for data.
Also, some people have issues with CWM because they most likely have issues with their flash. Easiest way to recover is to flash a stock WinMo ROM, restore SPL, format SD card and start all over again.
These forums have TONS of information on how to use CWM and get it up and running, so I don't get it...

yh I like CWM better. Just much neater I think.
Just my opinion

Plus you don't even need a computer. Also if your applying a theme and it messes up, you can just flash your recovery. Dft if you mess up you have to start over.

maybe the reason why i have not tried the CWM is beacuse of the partions stuff. i really dont get it.... and i have gotten fast at setting up ym phone. all my usefull apps are backed up on a box.net account just download and install. no problem. so yeah.
DFT all the way, until sooner or later all of them will be CWM and ill have to change over to it eventually... btu int he mean time DFT!

CWM..........it is!!

CWM is definatly easier. I will admit I was reluctant at first to switch from DFT. Old habits die hard I suppose. But now I can download a new rom and flash it from anywhere. And the backup is awesome to have!! Besides the roms are usually easier to put together for the dev's too. However, the one drawback, IMHO, is different roms require different partition sizes. If CWM were flashable from magldr, or a one size fits all standard were created this would eliminate the need for a pc connection all together.

Clockworkmod benefits=
1. You can make a FULL backup
2. You can make a FULL restore
3. You can wipe each individual part (data, system, sd-ext etc.)
4. You can flash other mods very easily
5. You can do EVERYTHING from your phone including download & flashing the ROM
6. You can wipe dalvik cache and normal cache to save space
7. You can format or partition your SD-card
8. You can store as many ROM's on your SD card to flash at a later time as you want
9. Which is most important!! you can update to a newer version of your favorite ROM without losing ONE THING!!
10. You can fix permissions and wipe battery stats
These are just 10 things I just thought of on the top of my head lol. I think most people don't like it because they haven't gave it long enough of a chance. If your coming from another Android device like me that had Clockworkmod then you couldn't live without it!! I can't think of ONE reason that MAGLDR builds are better than "flashable zips". This is just my opinion

@moto +1 - my man!

About partitions..... only thing u need to know about it is....
Look at the rom u want to flash. You need to know the size of it after it is unzipped. Think of your phone as a box. And your rom as what u want to get in the box. Your not going to fit a sense rom in a 150 mb. partition "box" because its just to big 200+mb. So get a bigger box. Use the 400mb box. If you have a non tmobile hd2 u will need more space to pack your apps and userdata into. Your rom is the first thing in the box and its already almost full, so once your phone starts packing your apps and userdata into the box it gets full really fast. This is where apps2sd and sdcard partitions come into play, think of it as strapping a smaller box ontop of your 400mb box and shipping for the same price. Basically make sure your box (partition) is big enough to fit all your **** in. Easy cheesy!!!!
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motoman234 said:
Clockworkmod benefits=
1. You can make a FULL backup
2. You can make a FULL restore
3. You can wipe each individual part (data, system, sd-ext etc.)
4. You can flash other mods very easily
5. You can do EVERYTHING from your phone including download & flashing the ROM
6. You can wipe dalvik cache and normal cache to save space
7. You can format or partition your SD-card
8. You can store as many ROM's on your SD card to flash at a later time as you want
9. Which is most important!! you can update to a newer version of your favorite ROM without losing ONE THING!!
10. You can fix permissions and wipe battery stats
These are just 10 things I just thought of on the top of my head lol. I think most people don't like it because they haven't gave it long enough of a chance. If your coming from another Android device like me that had Clockworkmod then you couldn't live without it!! I can't think of ONE reason that MAGLDR builds are better than "flashable zips". This is just my opinion
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+1 Best explanation about CWM, DFT is good to start form scratch. Go with CWM and you never look back.

I just CAN'T believe it!!! People keep asking the same question everyday....
How disappointing...
Anyone left with working brain cells??
LOL

bigdookie said:
CWM doesnt seem to work for me. Why do more cooks just do DFT?
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It's all a conspiracy, the devs all got togehter and said if they only build CWM builds then bigdookie won't be able to flash any of the builds LOL
Seriously though, CWM is so easy to use (besides the benefits pointed out by motoman) - especially if you're on magldr 1.13 - just decide what partition size you need for your zip rom (usually specified in the rom thread) and flash it - you even get to use DAF to flash the partition, so you shouldn't have any problem
To access CWM, in magldr menu go to AD Recovery and you are in Recovery mode.

I just started using CWM and love it,my main question is this. if i try a rom i like, get it all set up and working, and then make a backup in cwm, do i need to keep the copy of the zipped rom on my card, or is the backup enough?
along those same lines, if i try a second rom, and then get it set up and do a backup, can i just restore from the previous roms cmw backup file, or do i have to reflash the previous rom and then do the restore?
just curious, cuz i like trying different roms, but i want to keep a "safety" restore point no matter what rom i switch to.
I hope this makes sense?
Thanks in advance.

dezaras6 said:
I just started using CWM and love it,my main question is this. if i try a rom i like, get it all set up and working, and then make a backup in cwm, do i need to keep the copy of the zipped rom on my card, or is the backup enough?
along those same lines, if i try a second rom, and then get it set up and do a backup, can i just restore from the previous roms cmw backup file, or do i have to reflash the previous rom and then do the restore?
just curious, cuz i like trying different roms, but i want to keep a "safety" restore point no matter what rom i switch to.
I hope this makes sense?
Thanks in advance.
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The backup will contain everything you need to do a full restore. You can trash the zip of the rom. If you need it again for some reason just download it again. You can have as many different backups as your sdcard can hold. They are saved in the clockwork folder by date and time. By the way your sdcard will fill up fast doing 4 or 5 backups so don't be alarmed when it is suddenly full, just go delete old ones. Or do like me and tape another 16gb sdcard under your battery cover(fits perfectly on top of the sim card with a lil hanging out over the battery). Flash away. Also...... we are all posting in a thread that is in the wrong section
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Okay, so you all CWM fans jsut might have agained a new member to the fan club. But i got a question. I have a US HD2. which partion should be best for me?

Question, How To Flash Second Time Around???

Hello everyone,
I tried search the answer but only found something in a different phone section and it was not clear.
My question...I have already flashed with the Ice rom and it works fine...when I decide to change roms and flash a NEW one...what are the steps I must do for it to work correctly?
Thanks in advance for any help,
Brian K

If you're staying with the same rom (i.e. upgrading to a newer version of the same rom) - back up, wipe cache/dalvik cache, then flash
If you're changing rom but staying with Sense-based roms - do the same and see if you have any issues. If you do run into issues - wipe data/cache/dalvik cache, reboot.
If you're going from AOSP to Sense or Sense to AOSP - back up, wipe data/cache/dalvik cache, flash.

Its just do the same thing you did the first time. Make sure to do a full wipe and flash
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dnguyen1988 said:
Its just do the same thing you did the first time. Make sure to do a full wipe and flash
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Might be a lil off topic but I think it might be related.....you said 'do the same thing you did the first time'....so i'm guessing first time means the first time i flash a custom rom?? And if so, does that mean for the first time i flash a custom rom should i do a full wipe???
Thanks!

Paso876 said:
Might be a lil off topic but I think it might be related.....you said 'do the same thing you did the first time'....so i'm guessing first time means the first time i flash a custom rom?? And if so, does that mean for the first time i flash a custom rom should i do a full wipe???
Thanks!
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Yes you are correct. The post above mine is way more detailed. You should also do a nandroid backup of the rom you're on now in case you wanna go back.
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The best way to move between ROMs is to make a nandroid + Titanium backup. Fully wipe. Flash your new ROM. Carefully re-import settings from Titanium if all seems to be working well. In the event of a failure, roll back to your nandroid copy.

Im really sorry but I still dont understand...I mean I kinda do but dont want to mess up and because of that, I'm trying to have a clear pic in my head.
Example...when you flash for the first time you have to:
flash recovery
wipe data/cach/etc
drop the rom onto the sd card
select the rom from sd card
reboot phone
Do you have to do ALL the same steps again, if you want to try a NEW rom...or no?
If no...what steps do you do differently?
Also...as for the Nandroid backup...do you do this everytime also, or just once?
Again, Im really sorry to be such a newb...but I am trying...I have just about every guide...its just that most guide are not for newbs and alot of times they are outdate. Dont get me wrong I appreciate the guides...I TRULY Do, I just dont want to mess this phone up.
Thanks in advance for any help
Brian K

Repeat everything as you listed it except for flashing a new recovery (unless moving to/from a Froyo/Gingerbread; as recovery differs between Froyo and GB). I usually only make nandroid backups once I have found a ROM that I like and have it working well. It's a system restore! Then if I want to tinker with the "shiny new ROM" that just came out I can load it up and play with it. If it doesn't work well or at all, just roll back to your faithful fully working nandroid copy you made.

Kline said:
Repeat everything as you listed it except for flashing a new recovery (unless moving to/from a Froyo/Gingerbread; as recovery differs between Froyo and GB). I usually only make nandroid backups once I have found a ROM that I like and have it working well. It's a system restore! Then if I want to tinker with the "shiny new ROM" that just came out I can load it up and play with it. If it doesn't work well or at all, just roll back to your faithful fully working nandroid copy you made.
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Actually switching between Froyo and GB has been made even easier by the new ClockWorkMod Recovery... TrueBlue's method works amazingly... Find it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=944681... Flash it like you would a ROM via CWM... His zip also INCLUDES the STOCK RECOVERY so if you ever want to recalibrate the battery you can do so by going into Rom Manager and selecting 2.5.1.4 as your recovery, when done just switch back by selecting 3.0.0.5 and that will load up 3.0.0.6..
To answer OP's Question...
Step 1) NANDroid backup (Backup and Restore > Backup > press trackball)
Step 2) wipe data/cache/dalvik (I always do each of them twice for safe measures); Like someone here already said, if upgrading to a new version of THE SAME ROM BUT ITS BEEN UPDATED, just wipe CACHE AND DALVIK. Otherwise, wipe all 3.
Step 3) Install zip from sdcard > choose zip from sdcard > select the ROM you want to install.
P.S. FYI I WOULD DO THIS FIRST!!!!! For flashing TrueBlue's 3.0.0.6 to be able to flash both froyo and gingerbread roms without changing the recovery each time (which is a pain in the ass btw) FOLLOW STEP 3 EXACTLY. The only difference is you will choose GlacierRecovery_to_RomManager.zip instead of whatever Rom you want. Reboot, go into RomManager, scroll to the bottom and select All ClockWorkMod Recoveries, choose 3.0.0.5 and it should say successfully flashed. Reboot into recovery and make sure at the bottom it says CWM 3.0.0.6. If it does, congrats, if not, reboot and reflash it, and continue to do this until you see CWM 3.0.0.6 at the bottom of the recovery screen.
PM me if you can't get it to work and want some more help with anything!

Hello,
I want to say it again, that the people in the Android forums are so much more helpful then back when I had a iphone and needed help. The people over in the iphone forums would sometomes help, but most of all, they would be rude.
Android forum techs are the BEST!
As for the Nandroid backup...this part also is a bit confusing, cause a few guides/videos show them doing the nandroid after they do the 3 wipes. However, I thought it made sense to do it first like you said.
Last night at around 4am I flashed CM7 with no problem and it is truly amazing. I am started to make sense just a little bit of all this but right now...I still cant wrap my head around the whole flashing recovery process.
Please understand I.m not just asking for answers, I am also reading as much as possible...I am making an effort.
Thanks so much everyone,
Brian K

No problem. If you have any questions I'd be glad to answer them for you or direct you in the direction for your answer. Just pm me like I said.
Just continue to read read read.. That's why I did and this is the first phone I've rooted or done anything with and I've become knowledgeable with some of the easier concepts and I'm trying to learn more complicated concepts as I go along.. Everyone had to start somewhere, and most of us here on xda realize this which is why we are so happy to help as long as these questions aren't asked and answered 4000 times.
P.S. Where ever you read/watched to wipe before NANDroiding I would advise to not go back to that because that is COMPLETELY the wrong thing to do!!
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No prob Brian I know I wasn't as detailed as other ppl who helped but if you have any questions just pm me.
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I know I keep saying this but so far everyone here is sooo freakn helpful. Im shocked cause when I had a iphone and did the whole jailbreak thing...the people over there where very rude.
dont worry dnguyen1988...u were nice enough to help out and I promise to take you up on the offer for help
Amac1222...just to be clear...your saying to do a Nandroid backup before wiping ANYTHING...yes?
Thanks again for everything,
Brian

Yes, even when updating your rom, you can always move the nandroid off your sd to an external hd. Or you can delete them as you move up updates, (i.e. Build 41 to 42 to 43 delete 41 once you know 42 is good to backup to if needed). When I flash kernels I tend to not nandroid each time although I should. As a super noob I would and I used to until you are comfortable.
The basic thing is you always want something to fall back on in case you get stick in a boot loop or stuck on the mytouch screen.
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For Those Just Getting Root!!

Here's what you need to do!!
First, make a NANDROID BACKUP of your stock, rooted setup.
TRUST ME on this, you'll use it to do things like GPS fixes, PRL updates etc.
Use Amon Ra. DON'T use ROM Manger. Backup everything except Cache.
On that Nandroid you'll want Titanium Back Up, GPS Status and updated Maps installed.
For ROMS, if it were me, and I knew what I did now, I would start with the Sense ROMS, since you're used to that, just to see what a GOOD Sense ROM feels like.
Always wipe everything in Amon Ra, except the SD Card itself (Although people will argue with me that it's not necessary). Trust me on this, too, ok?? Just do a full wipe and erase any doubts when you have issues that it was wipe related.
Then, once you realize that Sense is boring, give CM 7 a shot, or better yet, MIUI!
AND READ READ READ READ READ as much as you can before you do dumb things.
And conratz!! It's about time!

Exactly what i was looking for, thanks! :]

Thanks! I was looking for this as well, in the process of creating a complete backup with amon ra. Was kinda wondering what I should flash tho, sense bores me

I've had them all, and I'm locked in MIUI now

So you're saying backup the following?
Boot
System
Data
Recovery
Wimax
Sd-ext
.andriod-secure
that's everything but cache - why not cache?
Also, what's a good rom if Battery life is most important... one that undervolts?

Cache is just temp files. You don't need them, but everything else, yes.

You only need boot data system and Wimax. I reccomend using a format all zip between rom flashes.
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What do you recommend for backing up SMS?

I entered my beta key and I'm stuck at zerging root....
its been around 5 minutes.

gab2012 said:
I entered my beta key and I'm stuck at zerging root....
its been around 5 minutes.
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This thread isn't the place for help rooting. Plenty of others, or post in Q&A.
Key thing is to backup, at least, your WIMAX. It's almost impossible to lose your WIMAX partition anymore, but better be safe than sorry.
You could nandroid everything.. but it's kind of pointless. There are RUUs out to flash back to stock, and zips you can flash too. Mainly just ease of use since the nandroid will already be on your SDcard.
Also as hipkat says, do yourself a favor and don't use ROM Manager. Don't use CWM recovery either (well, it's up to you but it's pretty old now). Amon_RA is the mature stable recovery, and the TeamWin recovery is the new kid on the block... functional but not as robust yet.

Sorry about that lad, and yeah I will backup everything if I can get the damn thing to work

It looks like quite a few people are having issues. Just hang tight and see if there is a fix.
Also check the guide over in the development section to make sure you got the step %100.

Well, I just got it!, uninstalled HTC sync and drivers, reinstalled the HTC drivers and ran the .exe zerging root passed!
Said no to Clockwork and installed Amon RA from fastboot, then flashed SU and now I'm ready to backup

dsotm82 said:
What do you recommend for backing up SMS?
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I use SMS Backup and Restore by Ritesh Sahu from the market. Haven't had any problems so far.

HipKat said:
Here's what you need to do!!
First, make a NANDROID BACKUP of your stock, rooted setup.
TRUST ME on this, you'll use it to do things like GPS fixes, PRL updates etc.
Use Amon Ra. DON'T use ROM Manger. Backup everything except Cache.
On that Nandroid you'll want Titanium Back Up, GPS Status and updated Maps installed.
For ROMS, if it were me, and I knew what I did now, I would start with the Sense ROMS, since you're used to that, just to see what a GOOD Sense ROM feels like.
Always wipe everything in Amon Ra, except the SD Card itself (Although people will argue with me that it's not necessary). Trust me on this, too, ok?? Just do a full wipe and erase any doubts when you have issues that it was wipe related.
Then, once you realize that Sense is boring, give CM 7 a shot, or better yet, MIUI!
AND READ READ READ READ READ as much as you can before you do dumb things.
And conratz!! It's about time!
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+1 - I would recommend getting Root Explorer and flashing a kernel to help extend the battery. You may also look into WIFI Tether

Thanks for this defiantly useful...time to start flashing

Thanks for the reminder, I am new to rooting this phone. (Not new to rooting, had HTC phones from G1 and MT3G, in those I am GTG.) Installed CM7 latest one. But I am interested in MIUI ones and the videos looks awesome!!!

MIUI has come a long way form when I tried it a few months ago...

Sick. Thanks for the heads up. Also, I appreciate the To-Do List. This is my first venture into rooting, so as you can imagine, it all seems a bit overwhelming at first.
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Rvinfinite said:
Sick. Thanks for the heads up. Also, I appreciate the To-Do List. This is my first venture into rooting, so as you can imagine, it all seems a bit overwhelming at first.
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NP! That's why I'm here!

[Q] Backup Question...

I'm wondering if there is any way to basically copy the entire phone.. os and all... and make a rom out of it? I just thought life would be so much simpler if I could do a fresh install of 4.4.2, root, recovery, do all the tweaks/settings and removal of bloatware I don't like and then install all my standard apps *minus games of course* and make it into a rom, I could save myself tons of time by not having to keep rinsing and repeating this long procedure whenever I run into major issues.

If you make a proper backup...then have to restore it, it will restore exactly how you had it at the moment you made the backup.
So....you can
If you say "Please" be sure and hit "Thanks"!!!

btoddweber said:
If you make a proper backup...then have to restore it, it will restore exactly how you had it at the moment you made the backup.
So....you can
If you say "Please" be sure and hit "Thanks"!!!
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I used CWM and made a nandroid but it must not back "everything" up, because I had some issues after replacing numerous files and when I ran restore and it rebooted... had window after window popping up telling me "this stopped working and that stopped working"... nonstop... ended up having to do a complete wipe and reinstall.
Thats why I thought there might be a better method like making a rom as I mentioned in my original post.

Then you made your nandroid incorrectly.
Either you didn't select all the partitions (inclusing media) and the SE context.
OR the recovery you used is the issue.
I've created hundreds, if not thousands of nandroids and flash between ROMs/Builds all the time. [well not lately been working 15+hour days]
Take some time and read through the OPs and follow up discussions for the recoveries and ROMs and you'll find the right combo of recover/ROM.
I always make sure my nandroids restore before moving on to another ROM or build. IF they don't then I can rebuild current ROM (since I know exactly what is involved), try another recovery and see if it restores after complete double/triple wipe and install of another ROM base. If that works I'll note the recovery/ROM combo and then move on.
Just my two cents.