Hey y'all S4 folks. So umm, yeah. To all the experts out there who own an S4, please do help me what S4 should I buy. I'm about to receive my blue's and threeheads(Philippine money that is. xD) Should I go for the Quadcore or the Octacore?
I'm the kind of guy who likes flashing ROM's and when I heard or rather saw the Octacore forum, it was like a ghost town. I mean, will the Octacore ever have any sort of AOSP's? Please do convince me why the <INSERT S4 VERSION HERE> is better than its counter part. Its really hard to choose between the two. If ever I choose the Quadcore, do I have to worry that maybe next year it'll loose its value. Futureproof I mean. Please please convince me. Thanks y'all!
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Get the Quad core. You won't get a fully stable ROM on the octa as Samsung won't release all the necessary drives for AOSP to work as well as it could
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from a fellow filipino,
Get the Qualcomm Snapdragon I9505
Why?
- Philippines has NO OFFICIAL OCTA-CORE RELEASED FIRMWARE (I9500)
- Samsung Philippines DOES NOT SERVICE/REPAIR DAMAGED I9500 MODELS (so you have to make sure you don't break your device)
- the Qualcomm (I9505) has more roms/mods/kernels than I9500 will ever ever have. Period
This device (I9505) is already considered "overkill" for the next 2 years.
Look at the SGS2, it's still faster than most latest mid-range devices out there, and it's almost 3 years old!
Same will go with the S4
I9505 hands down if you're into rom flashing. The platform is more open and it's what the Google Edition is based off. Octa core isn't as good as it's supposed to be and gsm arena tests show the Snapdragon actually has better battery life than the octal.
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I9505, with LTE also helping future proof it, I don't see why they didn't include it ina £500+ phone (i9500) love my i9505, even if it is in for repair for the well know 'button cracking' issue
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Jhayzt said:
Hey y'all S4 folks. So umm, yeah. To all the experts out there who own an S4, please do help me what S4 should I buy. I'm about to receive my blue's and threeheads(Philippine money that is. xD) Should I go for the Quadcore or the Octacore?
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First of all, you shall go to the Q&A thread with your QUESTION... anything else, I'm afraid, may be too complicated if you cannot place your question in the propoer thread....
I see everyone suggested the quad version. I think Samsung rushed the octa and for some reason they don't wanna release their drivers. Alright, time this seal this up. I'm going for the Quad core version. Expect me to be active in the forums! And again, thanks to everyone who posted!
Sir Deathnotice! "Salamat po!"
i9505 - hands down.
Pros:
LTE (!)
More dev-ROM friendly
Better battery life
Better support
Cons:
GPU isn't as good as i9500, but still amazing
The camera is a bit more "noisy" than i9500
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i9505 - hands down.
Pros:
LTE (!)
More dev-ROM friendly
Better battery life
Better support
Cons:
GPU isn't as good as i9500, but still amazing
The camera is a bit more "noisy" than i9500
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I agree with most of your points, though not the battery life.
I don't really understand GSMArena's test on that, because if you follow the battery life thread of both devices, you'll see the i9500 often lasts more than 5-6 hours screen time over a 24+ hours period, while the i9505 is closer to 4-5 hours screen time in average.
Of course, it depends a lot on what you do.
If you like to play heavy games a lot, then i9505 will clearly last longer, since the A15 CPU will be used, and that one loves eating battery
However, for most tasks (lighter tasks, or if you don't use your device that much - background tasks use the A7 CPU), the i9500 will last longer.
Also, the CPU is faster on the i9500 (the A15).
A good example is probably when you record slow motion videos.
The i9505 can record slow motion up to 1/8 at 15 FPS and 800x450 resolution.
The i9500 can record slow motion up to 1/8 at 15 FPS and 1280*720 resolution.
On another thread, people tried installing the camera software from the i9500 on the i9505 to see if they could also record in 720p.
It worked, but it also showed the reason why Samsung downgraded the resolution of slow motion videos on the i9505 : the video is a lot more choppy on the i9505 (barely useable).
And since it still worked (even if it's slow), I don't think this is due to the camera sensor difference between the variants.
Anyway, if you want to install AOSP roms, the i9505 is most likely the better choice.
I think we will get CM10.1 roms on i9500 too, but it can take a while, and they probably won't be perfect either.
I, for one, am still happy I got the i9500 (I had to import it), mostly because of the camera.
The Exmor RS is really amazing.
I also have a DSLR, but most of the pictures I take are with my phone, since I got a 9 months daughter, and she won't really wait for me to grab my Nikon to capture what she's doing
EDIT : forgot there's also a difference in the sound chip : i9500 uses a new Wolfson chip
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I agree with most of your points, though not the battery life.
I don't really understand GSMArena's test on that, because if you follow the battery life thread of both devices, you'll see the i9500 often lasts more than 5-6 hours screen time over a 24+ hours period, while the i9505 is closer to 4-5 hours screen time in average.
Of course, it depends a lot on what you do.
If you like to play heavy games a lot, then i9505 will clearly last longer, since the A15 CPU will be used, and that one loves eating battery
However, for most tasks (lighter tasks, or if you don't use your device that much - background tasks use the A7 CPU), the i9500 will last longer.
Also, the CPU is faster on the i9500 (the A15).
A good example is probably when you record slow motion videos.
The i9505 can record slow motion up to 1/8 at 15 FPS and 800x450 resolution.
The i9500 can record slow motion up to 1/8 at 15 FPS and 1280*720 resolution.
On another thread, people tried installing the camera software from the i9500 on the i9505 to see if they could also record in 720p.
It worked, but it also showed the reason why Samsung downgraded the resolution of slow motion videos on the i9505 : the video is a lot more choppy on the i9505 (barely useable).
And since it still worked (even if it's slow), I don't think this is due to the camera sensor difference between the variants.
Anyway, if you want to install AOSP roms, the i9505 is most likely the better choice.
I think we will get CM10.1 roms on i9500 too, but it can take a while, and they probably won't be perfect either.
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I didn't know that about the battery, interesting
About the slow-mo... I'm pretty sure it's related to the camera sensor. Sounds more logical to me that this is the bottleneck and not the CPU. I read here somewhere that it's possible to record in 60FPS in real time as well on the i9509, and that wasn't possible on stock ROM
The snapdragon one. I won't touch another exynos with a ten foot pole.
The i9505 has LTE, a dev friendly SoC, a an overall more active developer community, both aosp wise and stock wise.
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I have to admit, I really do want the Octa but, no LTE(Why o why Samsung?!), and almost no custom ROM's(besides the stock-customed ones) is a deal breaker for me. It was almost perfect but Sammy didn't pinch enough salt for the Octa version. If they could had stayed with 1 variant then maybe I can consider the Octa. The Quad is seriously getting love by the devs while the octa, facepalm. I think I'll have to give my blues to my sis, bet it all out and see what she picks up. xD Just kidding.
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I didn't know that about the battery, interesting
About the slow-mo... I'm pretty sure it's related to the camera sensor. Sounds more logical to me that this is the bottleneck and not the CPU. I read here somewhere that it's possible to record in 60FPS in real time as well on the i9509, and that wasn't possible on stock ROM
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You might be right about the camera sensor, although I would have thought it wouldn't record slow motion in 720p at all if it was the sensor.
Where have you seen the possibility of recording in 60FPS on the i9505? I'm interested.. especially since this would prove it might also be done on the i9500 at some point
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Jhayzt said:
I have to admit, I really do want the Octa but, no LTE(Why o why Samsung?!), and almost no custom ROM's(besides the stock-customed ones) is a deal breaker for me. It was almost perfect but Sammy didn't pinch enough salt for the Octa version. If they could had stayed with 1 variant then maybe I can consider the Octa. The Quad is seriously getting love by the devs while the octa, facepalm. I think I'll have to give my blues to my sis, bet it all out and see what she picks up. xD Just kidding.
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For LTE, it really depends on where you live.
In Belgium, it'll be almost useless for another year or 2 (it's only available in 8 cities, and costs a bit more now).
The i9500 doesn't have LTE, but has 42Mbit HSDPA, which is already very fast, especially since I don't download that much from my phone, given the 1Gb/month limit with my subscription (I can got over, but it'll cost extra then).
For the Roms though, it's a bit sad indeed that Samsung doesn't release the sources for the Exynos...
If you really want AOSP roms, it's kind of a deal breaker.
I still got that one because on my S3, I had dual boot Paranoid Android + very modded TouchWiz, and I used the TW rom most of the time (the camera software is one of the reasons).
The Exynos has tiny bit better performance but vastly inferior battery life than the Snapdragon S4. Also, no LTE on the i9500.
For me, i9505 every time.
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Mithrandir007 said:
You might be right about the camera sensor, although I would have thought it wouldn't record slow motion in 720p at all if it was the sensor.
Where have you seen the possibility of recording in 60FPS on the i9505? I'm interested.. especially since this would prove it might also be done on the i9500 at some point
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For LTE, it really depends on where you live.
In Belgium, it'll be almost useless for another year or 2 (it's only available in 8 cities, and costs a bit more now).
The i9500 doesn't have LTE, but has 42Mbit HSDPA, which is already very fast, especially since I don't download that much from my phone, given the 1Gb/month limit with my subscription (I can got over, but it'll cost extra then).
For the Roms though, it's a bit sad indeed that Samsung doesn't release the sources for the Exynos...
If you really want AOSP roms, it's kind of a deal breaker.
I still got that one because on my S3, I had dual boot Paranoid Android + very modded TouchWiz, and I used the TW rom most of the time (the camera software is one of the reasons).
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I'm actually here in the Philippines and to be honest, only a few areas here are covered with LTE. You do have a point. The LTE kicks at 50mbps while the 3G+ is at 42. If you were to compare, its not really a big deal. My friend uses an S3 and I asked him why doesn't he use AOSP/CM ROM's. His main reason was he wanted to stay stockish as possible due to the features of the phone. If I were to ask you sir @Mithrandir007, if ever you own an I9505, would you go custom too? if not, why?
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I'm actually here in the Philippines and to be honest, only a few areas here are covered with LTE. You do have a point. The LTE kicks at 50mbps while the 3G+ is at 42. If you were to compare, its not really a big deal. My friend uses an S3 and I asked him why doesn't he use AOSP/CM ROM's. His main reason was he wanted to stay stockish as possible due to the features of the phone. If I were to ask you sir @Mithrandir007, if ever you own an I9505, would you go custom too? if not, why?
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I always install custom Roms, but still modded TouchWiz.
I'm guessing your question was if I would go AOSP, then I'd probably only use AOSP if I can dual boot, so I still have the possibility of going back to TouchWiz.
There are a lot of features on TouchWiz, some of which are gimmicks (although gimmicks for some can be very useful to others, and the other way around as well), but others are hard to let go
On the S4, those are the TouchWiz features I use most :
- Quickglance (wave your hand above the handset to display quick information (date-time, notifications, ...) for a few seconds)
- Airview : for me this is both a gimmick in some places though still fun to use (gallery, lockscreen) and very useful in others : preview when hovering your finger above the "progress" bar while playing a video, or see full sms text when hovering over a sms in the list, see full appointment when hovering over it in S Planner, ...
- Turn phone face down to mute (or put hand on the face of the phone)
- Put the phone to your ear while looking at messages or contacts to call automatically
- Smart alert : phone vibrates when you pick it up from the table or pockets when there are notifications (missed call, sms, ...)
- MultiWindow : handy when typing a mail when you need to copy/paste or read content from a webpage for example.
There are others I use sometimes, but not as much.
Besides the features, there are also Samsung apps that are great, like the camera and S Planner.
Most of the others I use can be replaced though.
I do like AOSP roms like Paranoid Android for example, but I would really miss some TouchWiz features if I just replaced TW with AOSP (no dual boot).
Flashaholic = i9505
I'm facing a similar situation except- I don't have a problem with TW....
I posted here a for some help with my decision
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=43412201
Still on the fence here...
Mithrandir007 said:
I always install custom Roms, but still modded TouchWiz.
I'm guessing your question was if I would go AOSP, then I'd probably only use AOSP if I can dual boot, so I still have the possibility of going back to TouchWiz.
There are a lot of features on TouchWiz, some of which are gimmicks (although gimmicks for some can be very useful to others, and the other way around as well), but others are hard to let go
On the S4, those are the TouchWiz features I use most :
- Quickglance (wave your hand above the handset to display quick information (date-time, notifications, ...) for a few seconds)
- Airview : for me this is both a gimmick in some places though still fun to use (gallery, lockscreen) and very useful in others : preview when hovering your finger above the "progress" bar while playing a video, or see full sms text when hovering over a sms in the list, see full appointment when hovering over it in S Planner, ...
- Turn phone face down to mute (or put hand on the face of the phone)
- Put the phone to your ear while looking at messages or contacts to call automatically
- Smart alert : phone vibrates when you pick it up from the table or pockets when there are notifications (missed call, sms, ...)
- MultiWindow : handy when typing a mail when you need to copy/paste or read content from a webpage for example.
There are others I use sometimes, but not as much.
Besides the features, there are also Samsung apps that are great, like the camera and S Planner.
Most of the others I use can be replaced though.
I do like AOSP roms like Paranoid Android for example, but I would really miss some TouchWiz features if I just replaced TW with AOSP (no dual boot).
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Hmm. Those are pretty darn features. I do tell myself that if ever I'm going for the Octa, I need to convince myself to stay stockish as ever and forget AOSP/CM/AOKP ROM's. By the way, I do love me some hardcore 3D games. How's the GPU on both devices? I heard that the Octa swarms through benchmarks. Hayahaiihaii. The dilemma of choosing between stock-customed(I9500) vs the pure-customizable(I9505). :silly:
Jhayzt said:
Hmm. Those are pretty darn features. I do tell myself that if ever I'm going for the Octa, I need to convince myself to stay stockish as ever and forget AOSP/CM/AOKP ROM's. By the way, I do love me some hardcore 3D games. How's the GPU on both devices? I heard that the Octa swarms through benchmarks. Hayahaiihaii. The dilemma of choosing between stock-customed(I9500) vs the pure-customizable(I9505). :silly:
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For hardcore 3D games I've tried, they all run perfectly smooth, from what I've read, they are smoother on the i9500 than the i9505 but I've read that early after the release of the S4, so the firmware updates might have changed things for the i9505.
At least, I can confirm the i9500 has no trouble at all.
But, one thing you should know is that while the i9500 will have a better battery in most cases (most things don't need to use the A15 CPU), if you play heavy 3D games for a long time, the battery will probably not last as long as the i9505 would while gaming, since the A15 CPU will be in use, and that one uses a lot more battery than the A7, and also more than the Snapdragon 600.
The i9500 will probably have AOSP roms in the future (some are working on it), but they probably won't be as perfect as those on the i9505, at least not for a while (like what happened on the S3, some features didn't work for a long time in AOSP).
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Guys I need your help. I'm not sure what I should do but the galaxy nexus looks really good to me. Now I know the Galaxy s 2 that we have is pure BEAST, in fact as far as the internal go it's better than the galaxy nexus. But i do like the 720p screen on the nexus, the no capacitive buttons and the bigger screen and of course Ice Cream Sandwich bare naked. So should I get the nexus or should I wait for ICS on the S2 and get the s3 later?
Wait for those A15 cores.
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The 720p screen is Pentile. While it has a lesser effect at higher pixel densities (I have seen the Galaxy Note and it's way better than my friend's SGS1), it's still noticeable. Like the guy above said, wait for the A15-equipped phones.
I would love to buy a pure Google phone but they always seem to be six months behind Samsung's Touchwiz devices. It seems that in order to stay bleeding edge you have to make do with Touchwiz. The Galaxy Nexus isn't of BAD spec; but the pentile screen tech and camera and lack of expandable memory makes it a no-go for me. The Galaxy S3 will completely destroy it. I just hope for a more solid construction that doesn't scuff and scratch so easily and that Touchwiz is redesigned to be more sexy than it currently is. I want Samsung to move away from their current garish design ethos and make something a bit more smart.
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I would love to buy a pure Google phone but they always seem to be six months behind Samsung's Touchwiz devices. It seems that in order to stay bleeding edge you have to make do with Touchwiz. The Galaxy Nexus isn't of BAD spec; but the pentile screen tech and camera and lack of expandable memory makes it a no-go for me. The Galaxy S3 will completely destroy it. I just hope for a more solid construction that doesn't scuff and scratch so easily and that Touchwiz is redesigned to be more sexy than it currently is. I want Samsung to move away from their current garish design ethos and make something a bit more smart.
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What I'll like to see from SGS3:
Non-Pentile 720P SuperAMOLED
Camera with 1080p 60fps recording
Dual or quad core A15
Fully open source. That includes driver so that Team Hacksung can work their magic.
I just sold my GS2 and my Nexus is on its way. I did my research, I know that the GS2 has slightly better internals, but the Nexus phones were never about having bleeding edge hardware. The Nexus phones are about bleeding edge software... and when it comes down to it, you can have all the hardware in the world, but stay stuck with crappy software.
The only thing, IMO, that keeps the S2 going is Cyanogenmod. I have immense respect for their work, but when the developers have to hack around closed-source, ****ty code from Samsung, things mostly work. Emphasis on mostly. I'm sick and tired of being constrained by Samsung's unwillingness to cater to the Android dev community, and I decided to break free from their chains.
Is the Galaxy S2's GPU slightly better? Yes. Is the S2's camera slightly better? Yes. Does the S2 have a SD Card slot? Yes. But the GPU in the Nexus is better than the GPU in the iPhone 4, and that thing is super smooth & capable. The camera in the Nexus does what its supposed to - take good quality photos for Facebook, G+ etc. I've always had SD cards in my phones, and have never used them.
Go look at the Nexus's development forum... its like a beehive in there, and the honey looks crazy sweet
So yes, the S3 will probably destroy the Nexus in terms of hardware... but its simply not what counts - look at all the N1 users who are only upgrading now, because only now their phone feels like it needs upgrading. Software is where its at.
ppl should get a nexus and compare. I got both at the moment.
Hands down a better experience.
like soulcro said, the development there is amazing!!
doubt me, check these - all this over 2 weeks.
http://www.evernote.com/shard/s18/s...12690192d279/402eb97e626011c2b2a8d828ab90144c
http://www.evernote.com/shard/s18/s...24b19efbe36e/8aac1540cbe655c3c4199885ea92b509
http://www.evernote.com/shard/s18/s...470f65bbda91/b9945d9911d7c3934950bbd34776d1d4
ALL OPEN SOURCE! WINZIP KANG WARRIORS GETS SHUT DOWN IN < 8 HOURS
Does the Galaxy Nexus have a MicroSD card slot? No
'nuff said.
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Gs2 has muuuch better GPU not only slightly, try 1080p on Nexus...
Nexus has no MicroSD slot, which means constantly moving files from ur phone to pc to free up space ( unless you dont make oics and videos at all, or dont watch any movies on it)
On Nexus u cant even watch 720p on youtube it's lagging like hell!!!! (Talking about flash from any browser)
Cant transfer bluetooth files TO Nexus! The only way is to ZIP them and then send them ( not rly convenient. Has no problems from Nexus to any device
The camera...oh god, pics not bad with lots of light, but indoors in low light, noisy as hell!!! Video recording is not even close to the quality of GS2!!!
Nexus doesnt have DLNA app u have to download thirdparty one, the best is Skifta,but on ICS it drains the battery like hell!
Nexus doesnt have wifi direct, it's just API for developers
Battery is the same, but Nexus manages the processes better. No wakelock etc. no tweaks are needed to get good battery life )
Nexus has pathetic speaker!!! Almost unusable on loudspeaker unless it's really quiet around you!
Nexus is sooo much more expensive than GS2!
a good point is the Screen of Nexus it's really good!! Cant even tell it's pentile. it is so much easier to read anything with HD screen
Those observation are from about 1 month testing
I think I have said enough to make ones mind into bying any of the two hope it helps
Guess which One I'm gonna keep, but still everyone has different needs
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I ran out of memory on both my internal and external card (8gb) so had to buy a 32gb which is now half full. Nexus is useless to me.
Anyway, this question is a bit like asking on a BMW forum whether I should buy a Mercedes.
Why not go ask on the Nexus forum??
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I think i would be better to wait for the sgs3...
Samsung made a really great job with the original sgs and the sgs2...
sxi200 said:
I ran out of memory on both my internal and external card (8gb) so had to buy a 32gb which is now half full. Nexus is useless to me.
Anyway, this question is a bit like asking on a BMW forum whether I should buy a Mercedes.
Why not go ask on the Nexus forum??
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It helps to judge it properly by having both devices. Don't think I will ever buy a non-nexus again.
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It helps to judge it properly by having both devices. Don't think I will ever buy a non-nexus again.
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True. But where do I fit the more than 20gb of data I already have on my S2.
Like I said, its useless to me. A bit like buying a fantastic 2 seater car for a family of 5. Doesn't serve the buyers purpose.
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not worth it
i was at the same situation and stay'd with my SGS2.
the Gnex not offering real upgrade over the SGS2
* CPU - the TI OMAP 4460 CPU is good for lower Power consumption but is no match for the sammy's 4120.
* GPU - the Gnex GPU is SGX540 clocked at 400mhz while the SGS2 GPU is the MALI-400
an old GPU but much stronger then the SGX540\400mhz.
* Screen - the Gnex 720p screen is real blessing but the Pentile matrix ruin's it
i dont know if anyone saw it before but it looks a bit blurry compare to the SGS2
"SAP" screen.
* Software - its very important to keep the phone updated but to be honest
no one actually stay's with the original rom for long.
with ICS our SGS2 will be even faster then the Gnex in every parameter.
so software OTA is irrelevant.
* Camera - the SGS2 camera is amazing 28mm 2.4 that takes really great shots
no Camera-phone is nighttime capable (yet!)
stay with the SGS2 and get the SGS3 when it comes out.
My only reasons to get Nexus is that, it's LED Notification (Although overcome by BLN in S2) and of course, Nexus's AMOLED HD (Although I've yet to get it hands on, so, I'm not sure how good it is).
Lastly, my fear is that, Custom ROMs & Kernels developers would shift to other devices within my two years of contract with my carrier for S2 although Nexus is my dream.
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There was no attitude in that message But it was already stated couple of posts ago that b19 fixes the wrong alignment of the navbar buttons.
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fair point, different purpose.
I stream practically all my media so SD card is a mute point for me.
Anyways, i am happy with the sentiments. That should fetch me a good price for the gs2 then.
OT: I will never buy a sports car with fitting a family as a requirement.
I played with a GNex a few minutes in-store and I must say CM9 on sgs2 is 3 times faster. Nexus even lags when switching screens slightly and especially when entering appdrawer. Screen is nice, but it's nowhere near Retina-quality is should've been. I'd say it's VERY slightly clearer. Performance on SGS2 is just crazy fast. Not to mention a lot better camera and SD card slot.
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Everyone uses their phone differently. I've never, ever had a use for DLNA/Bluetooth File Transfer/Wifi Direct/MicroSD. The flash is reportedly working fine when you upgrade to 4.0.3. The camera does exactly what its supposed to - pictures for usage by Facebook, etc... I hope you're not taking your wedding pictures with your S2
The speaker problem is easily fixed with Volume+, although I've seen users saying the stock volume works for them.
Regarding software - yes, developers can and will port AOSP ICS to the S2. But I've been using Cyanogenmod (only worthwhile AOSP in my experience) on my previous three phones - HTC Desire, Samsung Galaxy, and Samsung Galaxy S2. In all cases, the CM developers had to work around propriety code/drivers, and the end user always had to sacrifice one or more features in order to get AOSP on his device. On the Nexus line of phones, everything is wide open - meaning developers don't have to jump through hoops to get things working.
No more "petition Samsung to release XYZ!!!", no more "XYZ doesn't work because we don't have the source for XYZ", etc etc. I used to think owning a Nexus wasn't worth it due to the developers, but its simply not the case.
And I think we can agree the TouchWiz, or any manufacturer skin for that matter, just kinda sucks.
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* CPU - the TI OMAP 4460 CPU is good for lower Power consumption but is no match for the sammy's 4120.
* GPU - the Gnex GPU is SGX540 clocked at 400mhz while the SGS2 GPU is the MALI-400
an old GPU but much stronger then the SGX540\400mhz.
* Screen - the Gnex 720p screen is real blessing but the Pentile matrix ruin's it
i dont know if anyone saw it before but it looks a bit blurry compare to the SGS2
"SAP" screen.
* Software - its very important to keep the phone updated but to be honest
no one actually stay's with the original rom for long.
with ICS our SGS2 will be even faster then the Gnex in every parameter.
so software OTA is irrelevant.
* Camera - the SGS2 camera is amazing 28mm 2.4 that takes really great shots
no Camera-phone is nighttime capable (yet!)
stay with the SGS2 and get the SGS3 when it comes out.
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CPU, agreed. However with hardware acceleration in ICS. less load is on CPU, even max 700MHz is fine for a lag free experience.
GPU, agreed. Maybe I don't play enough games, however Modern Combat 3 on the GNEX dispay is amazing
Screen, this is where one would need both phones in comparison, gs2 is not even close on this one even though the gnex has pentile.
Software, with pure AOSP. Sort of, not with closed source though. It took Jkay awhile to get to where its at, the same thing happens on the nexus in 2 days. Check my previous posts with links to screenshots.
with how samsung is making it like gingerbread, not so much.
Camera, agreed. Not for low light conditions, iphones are better yet. The gs2 has better camera, however not highly noticeable so far between the two for me.
Hmm, it looks like I don't need the gs2 anymore, any buyers?
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freemini said:
I played with a GNex a few minutes in-store and I must say CM9 on sgs2 is 3 times faster. Nexus even lags when switching screens slightly and especially when entering appdrawer. Screen is nice, but it's nowhere near Retina-quality is should've been. I'd say it's VERY slightly clearer. Performance on SGS2 is just crazy fast. Not to mention a lot better camera and SD card slot.
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Is that a proper google phone or a carrier version?
Like CM9 is non stock firmware, put a good rom and kernel with vm tweaks on the gnex, it is silky smooth even at 700MHz.
VERY slighly clearer? I wear glasses and I can tell it's a better screen. put the GNEX on 240DPI and see the diff.
Retina quality is awesome for the small display, but the screen resolution and the resultant ppl, even my gf on the iphone 4s likes the GNEX screen better.
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soulicro said:
Regarding software - yes, developers can and will port AOSP ICS to the S2. But I've been using Cyanogenmod (only worthwhile AOSP in my experience) on my previous three phones - HTC Desire, Samsung Galaxy, and Samsung Galaxy S2. In all cases, the CM developers had to work around propriety code/drivers, and the end user always had to sacrifice one or more features in order to get AOSP on his device. On the Nexus line of phones, everything is wide open - meaning developers don't have to jump through hoops to get things working.
No more "petition Samsung to release XYZ!!!", no more "XYZ doesn't work because we don't have the source for XYZ", etc etc. I used to think owning a Nexus wasn't worth it due to the developers, but its simply not the case.
And I think we can agree the TouchWiz, or any manufacturer skin for that matter, just kinda sucks.
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Agreed.
I think the main point here may be people defending their purchase, or just being fanboys without actually using the GNEX.
I've paid the same price for both phones due to being a fairly early adopter.
I have no such need to justify purchases and can definitely compare both in my hands to have an objective view.
btw, a sound comparison between the two by plugging them into a stereo system clearly ensures the gnex as the better device. Sorry I checked coz I had been asked to check before.
I came to the GS2 from the RAZR. The siren call of the GNex and it’s big screen is sweet but in the end I couldn’t stand not having a decent camera in it. The pictures I take with my cell camera when I don’t have my regular digital camera will play an important part of recording my kid’s as they grow up. I feel that the GS2 has one of the top 3 cameras in android at this point.
Ask yourself this: if the GNex wasn’t first to market with ICS, would it really have been THAT much of a big thing?
The GS3 should be a world beater with great camera, OS AND HD screen.
Hello!
So I have been using my Captivate for a long time...tweaked and overclocked to its max...just a great phone (except for lame GPS). Of course time passes and you want more. 4" is not enough for me any more (and I am speaking about my phone screen!!! LOL).
So I was set on the GS3 BUT a few things have made me think about the Note.
First , I dont care about silly things like looks..come on now. Or the camera....more megapixels on a a freakin small phone sensor? Some people need to learn about real cameras before commenting.
Anyways, the thing is....the GS3 is great the way it is Internationally with the Quad and nice GPU BUT after seeing the 5.3" Note I was like WOW this is BIG.
I use my phone mainly for watching youtube, streaming MST3K , SouthPark etc.
Also for playing emulators, FPSE , MAME etc.
So the bigger display would , in my opinion, be something I can really use.
So in that regards the high resolution big Note screen is awesome as long as it at least looks as good as the one in my Captivate.
The bad thing about the Note...well, some benchmarks, specifically Nenamark2 , I have seen low scores. I mean my Captivate, I hold (I think I still do) the record of 33.5 for that phone and normally score around 30-32 which is VERY close to what I have seen for the Note so that makes me feel like its not a huge upgrade but maybe those were an older Rom or something.
On the other hand I am sure dual core and specially 1GB Ram should give the phone a very smooth feeling compared to my OCed phone.
Another bad thing about the Note is, I got the impression Dev is not huge for it not overclocking.
So on the GS3 end...well the hardware is faster and better overall but the screen is smaller and there is a change the USA ends up with a dual core as well instead of quad. So right I am like...wait for the USA release or just get the Note and enjoy it now.
Its a tough decision.
Any feedback is appreciated specially if anyone is running emulators, specially the new Mame one that plays .139 roms as I would like to know how afterburner runs on dual core.
Regards
Are talking about ATT Note or the Int. Note? Confused, you said that ur waiting for the US release, I'm assuming your talking about the ATT versions of both phones?
Yes both will be the ATT version.
decision is still yours
well i am using my note for like 4 months now, and i am very happy with it, because of its magnificient screen for browsing and my ebooks. I am a surgical resident and this galaxy note saved me from carrying my laptop to the hospital. Here i am sharing my experience abt the note. Its easy to carry my hybrids in the rounds while taking overs during rounds. capture HD videos and pics related to the clinical findings. sometimes i even take it to the OR during cases when i am not assisting or scrubbed. I have all my books for references on my note. The good thing is being loaded with my work stuff, i have plenty of space to have my entertainment part on it. So right now i would say that i have never used a device like the galaxy note.
As far as S3 is concerned. Its an upcoming device with enhanced processor and a few more sensors. So its also charming.
Now as note prices have fall down, if u want to be on the saving path get a note, if u want to be on the top notch in competition, get an S3 as it will be the king till 2013.
I got my Note about 3 months ago and I really will not use anything smaller than the Note.
Before I got this I was tossing a coin between GS2 and Note. I mean literally
The coin landed for the GS2 and I got the Note hehe
I just couldn't resist this phablet.
In comparison to other Android phones I cant say much on that as this is my first ever Android phone and everything on it is great. From watching movies to browsing and even just looking at the thing will make you
Sure it is a bit bulky but I really like it that way. Also it depends on how much you call on it. I spend about 95% doing everything else than calling people. So holding it to my ear is a rare thing. It's better for people with big hands.
I guess everything else can be found on review sites.
I have read a lot about the S3 so far and I gotta say it's not that much better than what the Note is right now. Sure it has an updated touchwiz (in the end both are running ICS so no biggie) with better hardware performance and added apps and features but overall I would not give up my Note for an S3.
But given your situation and if I was in the same situation I would struggle to choose between the two. I would most likely lean towards the Note. About a 60-40 ratio towards the Note.
lets face it QUAD CORE !! (what for) nothing uses that much power and yet its a muscle show for companies over each other. HTC did it sammy said (ME 2).
i love my note and by far the description you wrote means your device acts as a multimedia tool not for a normal usage phone, the note matches your requests fully well it has many ROM to speed it up and give you a great battery life (BTW i dunno about battery on SG3) so stick with note, cutsom version some guys say the ICS official has a bug well dunno i'am using it and its fine but you can wait i guess one week everything will cool down now and problems will be fixed.
NOTE advantages:
Screen HD 5.3"
1 GB RAM
2500 mAH
big phone with great images and brightness
8Mp cam
1.4 Dual Core enough for nowa days
that it by far if you try it you'l never regret or even change it XD unless another comes out !
BTW i hate to say so but i think it's not right to upgrade to an SG3 its about almost the same specs nothing serious for a daily use except for Camera and ICS !
happy buying the phone....
Yesterday i sold my sgs2 . It was a great device, but had some hardware problems. I am thinking too ''should i go for white note '' or ''should i wait for sgs3'' one thing for sure if i'll buy note now, i will lose some money for selling it latter after sgs3 official release.
Please give me some advices.
Things i like about note:
1. huge hd screen
2. better res and ppi than on sgs2
3. normal sim card (not micro)
4. same specs as sgs2
Things i hate about note:
1. damn stylus ! - what is it for ? 2012 and we are still using stylus ?
2. stupid look while making a call
3. i am not sure if it is possible to write a text message with one hand
4. mobile phone with big screen in my pocket - much easier to damage a screen!
Things i like about sgs3:
1. even better resolution and ppi. MUCH BRIGHTER SCREN
2. quad core (not sure if i can feel a difference on apps i am using now) but must be significant difference in battery life.
3. nfc, bt4, few more tweaks with camera & sensors
4. wireless charging
Things i hate about sgs3:
1. rounded look (egg shape)
2. not a big improvement in camera or rams
3. micro sim card
4. PRICE
benzas said:
Yesterday i sold my sgs2 . It was a great device, but had some hardware problems. I am thinking too ''should i go for white note '' or ''should i wait for sgs3'' one thing for sure if i'll buy note now, i will lose some money for selling it latter after sgs3 official release.
Please give me some advices.
Things i like about note:
1. huge hd screen
2. better res and ppi than on sgs2
3. normal sim card (not micro)
4. same specs as sgs2
Things i hate about note:
1. damn stylus ! - what is it for ? 2012 and we are still using stylus ?
2. stupid look while making a call
3. i am not sure if it is possible to write a text message with one hand
4. mobile phone with big screen in my pocket - much easier to damage a screen!
Things i like about sgs3:
1. even better resolution and ppi. MUCH BRIGHTER SCREN
2. quad core (not sure if i can feel a difference on apps i am using now) but must be significant difference in battery life.
3. nfc, bt4, few more tweaks with camera & sensors
4. wireless charging
Things i hate about sgs3:
1. rounded look (egg shape)
2. not a big improvement in camera or rams
3. micro sim card
4. PRICE
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You are wrong in the brightness department of s3!!
note is about 100cd/m2 brighter than the s3 and could be easily said that its one of the brightest amoled screens around.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759p2.php
pikulu said:
You are wrong in the brightness department of s3!!
note is about 100cd/m2 brighter than the s3 and could be easily said that its one of the brightest amoled screens around.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759p2.php
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdnI9s-GD5w have a look here when compared. s3 looks so brighter, might it be just a dimmed settings ?
Just get the Galaxy Note,I have been using it for over 5 months now its one great piece of device,as for SGSIII I would have considered it or the HTC ONE X for that matter only if the GNote did not exist.
shaolin95 said:
Hello!
So I have been using my Captivate for a long time...tweaked and overclocked to its max...just a great phone (except for lame GPS). Of course time passes and you want more. 4" is not enough for me any more (and I am speaking about my phone screen!!! LOL).
So I was set on the GS3 BUT a few things have made me think about the Note.
First , I dont care about silly things like looks..come on now. Or the camera....more megapixels on a a freakin small phone sensor? Some people need to learn about real cameras before commenting.
Anyways, the thing is....the GS3 is great the way it is Internationally with the Quad and nice GPU BUT after seeing the 5.3" Note I was like WOW this is BIG.
I use my phone mainly for watching youtube, streaming MST3K , SouthPark etc.
Also for playing emulators, FPSE , MAME etc.
So the bigger display would , in my opinion, be something I can really use.
So in that regards the high resolution big Note screen is awesome as long as it at least looks as good as the one in my Captivate.
The bad thing about the Note...well, some benchmarks, specifically Nenamark2 , I have seen low scores. I mean my Captivate, I hold (I think I still do) the record of 33.5 for that phone and normally score around 30-32 which is VERY close to what I have seen for the Note so that makes me feel like its not a huge upgrade but maybe those were an older Rom or something.
On the other hand I am sure dual core and specially 1GB Ram should give the phone a very smooth feeling compared to my OCed phone.
Another bad thing about the Note is, I got the impression Dev is not huge for it not overclocking.
So on the GS3 end...well the hardware is faster and better overall but the screen is smaller and there is a change the USA ends up with a dual core as well instead of quad. So right I am like...wait for the USA release or just get the Note and enjoy it now.
Its a tough decision.
Any feedback is appreciated specially if anyone is running emulators, specially the new Mame one that plays .139 roms as I would like to know how afterburner runs on dual core.
Regards
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Honestly dude.. i would go out and hold a phone that's 4.8in and hold the Note and see which one you'd feel comfy handling 12 hours a day x 2 years.
Boiled down, they're almost the same phone. Quad doesn't necessarily > Dual. Just better if you're a heavy heavy multi-tasker. I multi-task like i'm on crack when i'm on the Note and don't feel any bit of fatigue.
Benchmarks don't mean SH
They're like college degrees. Nice on paper, but the important thing is being able to apply that knowledge in real-life situations.
anyways. i love my note. first week: it's too big (TWSS)
now when i handle an iphone it feels like a little kid's toy in my hand. like someone else said, can't go back to anything smaller.
Although i DO wish i had this on the Note (that the SGS3 has)
-That amazing screen
-That amazing camera (i take over 50 photos a day and that would be my fav feature of all)
-Software features they included (eye tracking, etc)
Still think it's lame how they didn't increase the ram though. I'd never have to close anything if I had 2gb
Also, since there's no LTE in Hawaii.. (yet)... I'd still go with international version. Exynos is king. Snapdragon will probably be what's in the AT&T version. bleh.
benzas said:
Yesterday i sold my sgs2 . It was a great device, but had some hardware problems. I am thinking too ''should i go for white note '' or ''should i wait for sgs3'' one thing for sure if i'll buy note now, i will lose some money for selling it latter after sgs3 official release.
Please give me some advices.
Things i like about note:
1. huge hd screen
2. better res and ppi than on sgs2
3. normal sim card (not micro)
4. same specs as sgs2
Things i hate about note:
1. damn stylus ! - what is it for ? 2012 and we are still using stylus ?
2. stupid look while making a call
3. i am not sure if it is possible to write a text message with one hand
4. mobile phone with big screen in my pocket - much easier to damage a screen!
Things i like about sgs3:
1. even better resolution and ppi. MUCH BRIGHTER SCREN
2. quad core (not sure if i can feel a difference on apps i am using now) but must be significant difference in battery life.
3. nfc, bt4, few more tweaks with camera & sensors
4. wireless charging
Things i hate about sgs3:
1. rounded look (egg shape)
2. not a big improvement in camera or rams
3. micro sim card
4. PRICE
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I really don't understand it when people say "damn stylus ! - what is it for ? 2012 and we are still using stylus ?". This is very narrow minded.
First of all that is like saying, "pens, pencils? What the hell are they for?" The stylus is used for taking notes, it's excellent for that. It is used for drawing, have a look at some of the threads on here where people post their artwork, some pretty amazing stuff. Fingers just aren't accurate enough to do all that. So, fingers are just used for navigating through the phone and selecting things, the stylus is used for so much more than that.
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ngocdao said:
Honestly dude.. i would go out and hold a phone that's 4.8in and hold the Note and see which one you'd feel comfy handling 12 hours a day x 2 years.
Boiled down, they're almost the same phone. Quad doesn't necessarily > Dual. Just better if you're a heavy heavy multi-tasker. I multi-task like i'm on crack when i'm on the Note and don't feel any bit of fatigue.
Benchmarks don't mean SH
They're like college degrees. Nice on paper, but the important thing is being able to apply that knowledge in real-life situations.
anyways. i love my note. first week: it's too big (TWSS)
now when i handle an iphone it feels like a little kid's toy in my hand. like someone else said, can't go back to anything smaller.
Although i DO wish i had this on the Note (that the SGS3 has)
-That amazing screen
-That amazing camera (i take over 50 photos a day and that would be my fav feature of all)
-Software features they included (eye tracking, etc)
Still think it's lame how they didn't increase the ram though. I'd never have to close anything if I had 2gb
Also, since there's no LTE in Hawaii.. (yet)... I'd still go with international version. Exynos is king. Snapdragon will probably be what's in the AT&T version. bleh.
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Size is not a problem with the phone for me.
My reason for wanting a quad was mostly for emulators as some are not super efficient so the more power I can provide the better although that MAME one I mentioned seems to be done for duals.
Yes benchmarks are not the last word but they do give an idea of relative performance.
Well one thing I wanted to have was a Tegra 3 chipset. Not because it is the fastest but because the lame market thing with Tegra game having extra features etc. I hope the trend does not continue.
As for Exynos vs Snapdragon, I thought there was not much different between the ATT and international version but I guess I can always sell it then by the international version or something.
Not sure if there is LTE and I dont really care for it except that with my BS "Unlimited" plan if I had a LTE phone my limit before they slow me down to unusable speeds will be 5GB instead of 3.
Thanks
Markhypnosis said:
I really don't understand it when people say "damn stylus ! - what is it for ? 2012 and we are still using stylus ?". This is very narrow minded.
First of all that is like saying, "pens, pencils? What the hell are they for?" The stylus is used for taking notes, it's excellent for that. It is used for drawing, have a look at some of the threads on here where people post their artwork, some pretty amazing stuff. Fingers just aren't accurate enough to do all that. So, fingers are just used for navigating through the phone and selecting things, the stylus is used for so much more than that.
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Actually the styles us something I like for taking notes for sure...would be very nice.
qazibasit said:
well i am using my note for like 4 months now, and i am very happy with it, because of its magnificient screen for browsing and my ebooks. I am a surgical resident and this galaxy note saved me from carrying my laptop to the hospital. Here i am sharing my experience abt the note. Its easy to carry my hybrids in the rounds while taking overs during rounds. capture HD videos and pics related to the clinical findings. sometimes i even take it to the OR during cases when i am not assisting or scrubbed. I have all my books for references on my note. The good thing is being loaded with my work stuff, i have plenty of space to have my entertainment part on it. So right now i would say that i have never used a device like the galaxy note.
As far as S3 is concerned. Its an upcoming device with enhanced processor and a few more sensors. So its also charming.
Now as note prices have fall down, if u want to be on the saving path get a note, if u want to be on the top notch in competition, get an S3 as it will be the king till 2013.
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My concern with the S3 is , how much enhanced is going to be if the USA cripples it to dual core..then it would feel more like a small note since not even the RAM changed.
NutZInTheHead said:
I got my Note about 3 months ago and I really will not use anything smaller than the Note.
Before I got this I was tossing a coin between GS2 and Note. I mean literally
The coin landed for the GS2 and I got the Note hehe
I just couldn't resist this phablet.
In comparison to other Android phones I cant say much on that as this is my first ever Android phone and everything on it is great. From watching movies to browsing and even just looking at the thing will make you
Sure it is a bit bulky but I really like it that way. Also it depends on how much you call on it. I spend about 95% doing everything else than calling people. So holding it to my ear is a rare thing. It's better for people with big hands.
I guess everything else can be found on review sites.
I have read a lot about the S3 so far and I gotta say it's not that much better than what the Note is right now. Sure it has an updated touchwiz (in the end both are running ICS so no biggie) with better hardware performance and added apps and features but overall I would not give up my Note for an S3.
But given your situation and if I was in the same situation I would struggle to choose between the two. I would most likely lean towards the Note. About a 60-40 ratio towards the Note.
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I am hoping I can have AOKP with it and hopefully some Overclocked kernel. That should make me happy.
As for calling, I dont use my phone to call, always use a headset so no problem there.
REVERSiN said:
lets face it QUAD CORE !! (what for) nothing uses that much power and yet its a muscle show for companies over each other. HTC did it sammy said (ME 2).
i love my note and by far the description you wrote means your device acts as a multimedia tool not for a normal usage phone, the note matches your requests fully well it has many ROM to speed it up and give you a great battery life (BTW i dunno about battery on SG3) so stick with note, cutsom version some guys say the ICS official has a bug well dunno i'am using it and its fine but you can wait i guess one week everything will cool down now and problems will be fixed.
NOTE advantages:
Screen HD 5.3"
1 GB RAM
2500 mAH
big phone with great images and brightness
8Mp cam
1.4 Dual Core enough for nowa days
that it by far if you try it you'l never regret or even change it XD unless another comes out !
BTW i hate to say so but i think it's not right to upgrade to an SG3 its about almost the same specs nothing serious for a daily use except for Camera and ICS !
happy buying the phone....
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I agree...that is what my usage of the phone looks like and since camera is not important to me as I have real cameras when a shot matters, then I keep leaning towards the Note right now
benzas said:
Yesterday i sold my sgs2 . It was a great device, but had some hardware problems. I am thinking too ''should i go for white note '' or ''should i wait for sgs3'' one thing for sure if i'll buy note now, i will lose some money for selling it latter after sgs3 official release.
Please give me some advices.
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Labas benzas
As truputi suprantu lietuviskai
Its better to create your own post to get more responses.
I hate when I cannot make a clear cut decision. LOL
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Benchmark results aren't relative at all.. that's the problem
Its like the quote goes "you can't rate a goldfish's intelligence based on its ability to climb"
There is a significant difference on exynos / snapdragon. (Stock) I've tried both notes.
Another prime example is AT&T S2 w/ exynos and TMO S2 on snapdragon. The latter is horrible on stock.
I still hate writing on the stylus, since i cant write as fast on it as i do with a reg. Pen and professor talks too fast. I do all my mock up sketches though on it/annotations.
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shaolin95 said:
Labas benzas
As truputi suprantu lietuviskai
Its better to create your own post to get more responses.
I hate when I cannot make a clear cut decision. LOL
ate
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hahah . Labas! Nice to see some native language in here
went to some phone shops today to hold NOTE ... also compared it to nexus (as nexus is the same size as s3) and i easily made my mind. BOUGHT NOTE FROM EBAY TODAY. £359 so that's about $577 , brand new n7000 , factory unlocked - WHITE
s3 in uk going to be part of Olympics (official olimpics phone) so i presume price is gonna stay high for a long time. I'll hold note for some time now , and decide if it is worth to go for s3 latter when it is cheaper.
benzas said:
hahah . Labas! Nice to see some native language in here
went to some phone shops today to hold NOTE ... also compared it to nexus (as nexus is the same size as s3) and i easily made my mind. BOUGHT NOTE FROM EBAY TODAY. £359 so that's about $577 , brand new n7000 , factory unlocked - WHITE
s3 in uk going to be part of Olympics (official olimpics phone) so i presume price is gonna stay high for a long time. I'll hold note for some time now , and decide if it is worth to go for s3 latter when it is cheaper.
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ah good idea! I will do the same to see how much different the size will be. I wish I could just get the international version but then again, I guess I can always sell it and get the international one.
Are you in Vilnius? I am planning to visit in late June.
Aciu
shaolin95 said:
ah good idea! I will do the same to see how much different the size will be. I wish I could just get the international version but then again, I guess I can always sell it and get the international one.
Are you in Vilnius? I am planning to visit in late June.
Aciu
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No bro. I live in United Kingdom for last 7 yrs. but originally i am not far away from Vilnius.
My advice for you would be : - go for note and if you'll be very disappointed go for s3 in autumn or so. (maybe even NOTE 2 )
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR DECISION
Based on what I use it for I think the big screen will be the choice for sure. I will go by the store today.
Yeah many of my friends are moving to the UK as well so I hope to see them before they leave.
malonu
benzas said:
Things i hate about note:
1. damn stylus ! - what is it for ? 2012 and we are still using stylus ?
2. stupid look while making a call
3. i am not sure if it is possible to write a text message with one hand
4. mobile phone with big screen in my pocket - much easier to damage a screen!
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1.- Really, hey if you dont like it you dont HAVE to use it, i love it couse its great to making some postcards out of picture of me and my gf just for fun, also its great for playing drawsomthing, but you dont have to use it.
2.- I dont think how you look should matter in this case you want something useful you are not modelling right?
3.- With ICS you can write with one hand, it has a special one hand handling feature
4.- Sure, but after 6 months no problem with my phone, and i broke 2 other small ones so i gues it depends how you take care of your stuff
Bottom Line, i Love my Note, im not planning on any change unless Note 2 is out there and yet, it has to be a great update, cause this phone has it all
I would say go for the note.
-- Although the ATT version doesn't have the same power as the international version. overclocking to 1704hmz is certainly a plus for the note, and some roms can go higher. If you are going for the Note do the international version.
As apps get more complicated (and they will) more cores will be needed. Currently thats not the case, but it will happen. I remember 20 years ago when people were saying 52mb was all you would even need in a hard drive!
Thats basically what it comes down to. For me its the bigger screen as apps don't need 4 cores at the moment, and im loving the Note. The next note will be quad core so that will be my next purchase...
I'm never going for a smaller phone than the note...
I dont care about the 4g. My only concern in performance, overheating and application/customization support.
Which processor i should go for. Also I have heard Snapdragon 800 has a huge difference in terms of performance should i wait for that
I am not a heavy gamer(actually i mostly play 2D games) but smoothness in daily tasks and multitasking is really important for me in a smartphone.
Thanks for your answers.
Wait 10 years for the i980000, I hear that's the one to get
But seriously... just buy the phone you want now. If you always wait for the better phone you will be waiting forever, this technology moves fast, and the i9500 and i9505 are both very good phones.
If you want the most custom ROM support go for the i9505.
capuagenclik said:
I dont care about the 4g. My only concern in performance, overheating and application/customization support.
Which processor i should go for. Also I have heard Snapdragon 800 has a huge difference in terms of performance should i wait for that
I am not a heavy gamer(actually i mostly play 2D games) but smoothness in daily tasks and multitasking is really important for me in a smartphone.
Thanks for your answers.
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Get one that meet your needs. Go try it out in stores or from friends. If current S4 / GF / Wife suit what u need, then grab / treasure it.
No ending to get the best faster phones / biggest boobs.. Be contented and u will always be happy!!:good:
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Get one that meet your needs. Go try it out in stores or from friends. If current S4 / GF / Wife suit what u need, then grab / treasure it.
No ending to get the best faster phones / biggest boobs.. Be contented and u will always be happy!!:good:
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but guys Snapdragon 600 and 800 difference is sooo huge. I am tempted to get my hands on the 800 instead of 600 and think will regret if I buy i9505 instead of waiting for couple of months for the 9506.
BTW how is the battery life and the heating issues going on? are they fully resolved.
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but guys Snapdragon 600 and 800 difference is sooo huge. I am tempted to get my hands on the 800 instead of 600 and think will regret if I buy i9505 instead of waiting for couple of months for the 9506.
BTW how is the battery life and the heating issues going on? are they fully resolved.
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By the time you've waited for the i9506, the i9507 might be out soon, and by the time that comes out the next flagships will only be a few months away. Its exactly the same with PC hardware, if you wait for a new release you pay more and by that time the new releases won't be far off.
If you want a phone now, the i9505 is an excellent phone, if you can wait then go for it.
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I dont care about the 4g. My only concern in performance, overheating and application/customization support.
Which processor i should go for. Also I have heard Snapdragon 800 has a huge difference in terms of performance should i wait for that
I am not a heavy gamer(actually i mostly play 2D games) but smoothness in daily tasks and multitasking is really important for me in a smartphone.
Thanks for your answers.
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Well if you wait for i9506 it means less battery life by increasing performance... And all the apps and the os itself just don't stop there when it comes to performance.
In the end a smartphone should just be capable of doing daily usages without any performance issues but it'd be seem unlikely a.t.m.
The lighter the better and bigger the screen the better while keeping dimensions to acceptable level.
I certainly think the technology is there and it'll add to the cost to produce in current terms.
Or they'd rather bring out something extra ordinary and affordable by everyone's budget.
That's something for thought.
One of the coolest feature of S4 would be the use of S Band
http://www.expansys.com.au/samsung-..._productfeed&gclid=CJ-QscrZxbgCFc1bpQodElMADA
and
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s4-heart-rate-monitor-p38709.htm
thanks for the answers guys
"Android Beat reports that the Snapdragon 800 includes improvements to
battery life. Under the same strain, devices equipped with the new processor
will last 25% longer than Snapdragon 600 devices before needing to be
charged. ... Aside from improvements to battery life, Geek expects that devices will run much cooler under strain, reporting that playing games for thirty minutes had no impact on temperature. They also point out that their Snapdragon 800 test device loads large apps lightning fast. In addition, the Snapdragon 800 raises mobile computing performance enough to allow a new level of gaming on mobile devices."
-cpscentral.com (cpscentral. com/us-samsung-gt-i9506-release-draws-near)
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I would also consider the lg g2. Also a beast phone
Me Gusta!
Android phones are popping out like everyday just stick with the one you like and enjoy it. It don't no matter what you get there's always gonna be something better in the weeks to come. The pace these phones are popping out is insane. I'll stick with the s4 or the note 3 and keep it moving.
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Hi guys looks like I'll be going for the Note 4 as I defect from Apple. What's confusing me however are the the options 910C or 910F i.e.e Exynos or Snapdragon. I'm in the UK on O2.
I've done LOTS of google searching on various forums and reviews, and read most forum posts in English as well as other languages translated and if there's one thing I've learnt is that there doesn't seem to be a consensus. I've learnt some swear that C (exynos) is better, others say F (snapdragon). I've heard it suggested that one of them is better for sound quality (can't remember which). I've read that C is better in benchmarks but not in the real world (and I've read the opposite!). I've read that F is better for games due to the better GPU but C better for multitasking. I've heard that now C is better as lollipop uses 64bit, but I've read people say that's not true. I've also read that F is better for custom ROMs (but again I've also read the opposite!) Basically I've heard opposing views for everything and am putting it down to (as ever with internet searches) older posts perhaps before lollipop and people not being able to compare.
So today, 22nd April 2015, when more people have been using these and lollipop is now mainstream can anyone shed light on the latest opinion?
I'm paritcularly interested in:
General speed
Support for custom ROMs etc
Any opinions appreciated!!! I know you guys are mainly developers (and I apologise if I'm wasting your time - I've read some threads on here already on 910c v 910f) but you're the best as you understand the benefits of the extra cores more than anyone else and are more likely to have tried both!
Thanks in advance guys
I previously owned the F and I saw a little lag when scrolling. It also overheated and stopped charging in my car when I used it for navigation. I am not sure if it was a faulty unit but my N version has no lag and very cool even when I run 2 navigation apps at the same time in split view.
I'll let the others answer your question.
@applehater00
Snapdragon have more support for custom roms, a bit faster then exynos, overheating a bit(depends on which chipset and your usage)
Exynos are a bit cheaper, a bit less perfomance, more battery friendly, no overheating at all
I had the n910c exynos. Experienced minor lag only when using the app switcher / previous apps button. Was a lot slower to open apps than the nexus 6 I sold it for. Didn't like the poor signal strength, which is ultimately why I sold the phone, however, I can't say whether any of that was related to the exynos chip. Lack of choice in custom ROMs bothered me slightly, however, with the wanam lite ROM, I didn't really need any other.... Even on my nexus 6 I keep it stock and just change the kernel.
Nexus 6 has much stronger signal strength and is by far my favourite phone I've ever owned. Note 4 has put the nail in the coffin for Samsung for me until they can ditch touchwiz and leave android the f%&£ alone.
No overheating issues with the exynos note at all.
Nexus 6 has the same snapdragon chip as the snapdragon note 4, and I'd choose this phone every time over the note 4, however, if I did go back to a note 4, it would still be the exynos version
Thanks guys for the replies but this illustrates the problem
One of you suggests snapdragon may be relatively laggy, one of you suggests that actually exynos is slower and one of you suggests that although in your experience and exynos chipped device was slower than a snapdragon chipped device you used, you'd still go exynos.
Really appreciate all replies so far thanks! Good to know it's still as muddy as my reading suggested!
It all boils down to whether you want to install custom AOSP roms or not.
If you like Samsung software then get either of them, the performance differences are negligible either way. You have a detailed benchmark at phonearena, but all they show is that Exynos is a bit faster cpu, while Snapdragon is a faster GPU.
On the other hand, if you like Android as Google designed it and want to use AOSP or CM, the Snapdragon version is currently your only choice. Exynos has CM development, but they have a hard time of getting the radio working.
Cheers I think you've probably hit the nail on the head.
I don't know anything about romming as I've only ever been an iOS man. I jailbreaked a lot there but jailbreaking is different I imagine. Jailbreaking is something I did partly for 'free' apps initially (but I soon realised apps aren't very expensive anyway and buy them anyway) but mainly because iOS is extremely limited and basically junk unless you free it up. I'm tired of havign to JB iphones all the time just to bring them up to Android's standard.
So with Android why would I want to ROM? Wouldn't I lose all the S-pen and other features?
Ok, I realise now this is veering off the original topic somewhat so feel free to flame me for hijacking my own thread and deviating it, but it is relevant, because it seems that if I want to do this then I'll go with the snapdragon, otherwise I'll go Exynos.
As a techy type guy who loves control I suspect I'd love to rom it (or whatever) but not quite so sure about it yet....
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Thanks guys for the replies but this illustrates the problem
One of you suggests snapdragon may be relatively laggy, one of you suggests that actually exynos is slower and one of you suggests that although in your experience and exynos chipped device was slower than a snapdragon chipped device you used, you'd still go exynos.
Really appreciate all replies so far thanks! Good to know it's still as muddy as my reading suggested!
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You can thank Samsung for much of the lag, like the Recents Button.I can only recommend our SimplRom collection for the C and the F, we managed to increase the speed and new builds with tons of enhancements are coming very soon too. Both chips are similarly capable and it really comes down to custom rom support in my personal opinion. Which is better for Snap, no doubt. I'm developing SimplKernel for the C and F at the moment and there is just more there for Snapdragon than for Exy. Its easy and fun making stuff for F and a huge pain with weird stuff everywhere with C.
I can only recommend you the F, both for installing Custom stuff and also if you should ever want to develop for it. Kernel-wise at least
Which one are you getting... or don't have the choice as you live in the US, EU, Asia etc...
820, kryo and adreno 530 all the way.
I badly want the SD820 version but I live in europe
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I badly want the SD820 version but I live in europe
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I'd probably sooner have Snapdragon if I was given the choice, although nowhere near as much as yourself it would seem.
As I've touched on in other threads, the only real reason to want Snapdragon is for Vanilla and CM roms. Well, why bother buying a premium phone with numerous features that require Samsung's framework if you're going to put a third party rom on it? No, I'll be sticking with TW anyway and that doesn't bother me after it's vast improvement in recent years. I've read the 820 Snapdragon on single core performance is better than the Exynos 8, and the GPU is marginally faster too. Woo, that means I'll miss out on a couple of hundred points in a benchmark test. But in real life, the difference will equate to the square root of zero so I won't lose any sleep.
The only concern I have is the heat these things run at. Will the Exynos run hotter than the Snapdragon performing the same tasks? That will bother me, even if the speed is effectively the same. We will need to wait and see, but I've heard nothing about that being the case and the Snapdragon 810 was known to be a melting pot in more ways than one. Perhaps they haven't completely overcome that and the Exynos will still be the better SOC in that respect anyway.
In short, I'm getting the Exynos, but I'm not concerned about that.
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820, 14nm and adreno 530 all the way.
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So is the Exynos.
My concern is ROM development, which one will get attention more ?
Snapdragon, as it's an open source SOC. But in terms of stock development (debloating and the likes) there will probably be little to choose between them.
Same problem here. Only Exynos-version available. After 2 years we won't receive any updates and aosp or cm based ROMs won't be available...
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Same problem here. Only Exynos-version available. After 2 years we won't receive any updates and aosp or cm based ROMs won't be available...
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Won't receive updates?
Like the S4 or S3 or the S5 in the near future, these phones only get major updates for the first 2 years. The S4 didn't even receive Android 5.1 released in early 2015! Android 6 will probably be the last update for the S5 released in 2014.
But well: No problem. Snapdragon Chipset. Cyanogenmod 13 with Android 6 works better than any other Touchwiz based ROM before.
But what about Exynos-based S6 and S7? Very unlikely these will receive any third party support. End of life after only two years.
I've already covered my opinion on that, it makes no sense to buy a phone like this and put CM or AOSP on it. It defeats the object of paying the premium as you will lose out on the features that require Samsung's framework. Of course, people can do what they want with their own phone, but it makes no sense to me.
As for the updates that is what XDA is here for. For example, do you think the S6 won't get Android N even if Samsung don't release it for it? Of course it will, despite being based on Exynos. It just won't be through official means.
I've seen benchmarks there you actually see very good singel core performance from the new Exynos. I think it's a powerhouse both CPU and GPU, and TW have become much better. With a launcher and a couple of small tweaks there is really no need for vanilla Android. Rooted TW with some flashed goodies will do good for me. It also takes time to get a custom CM rom working well on the phone like the camera etc so I would like to enjoy this phone fully from release. The camera is just a beast.
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I'd probably sooner have Snapdragon if I was given the choice, although nowhere near as much as yourself it would seem.
As I've touched on in other threads, the only real reason to want Snapdragon is for Vanilla and CM roms. Well, why bother buying a premium phone with numerous features that require Samsung's framework if you're going to put a third party rom on it? No, I'll be sticking with TW anyway and that doesn't bother me after it's vast improvement in recent years. I've read the 820 Snapdragon on single core performance is better than the Exynos 8, and the GPU is marginally faster too. Woo, that means I'll miss out on a couple of hundred points in a benchmark test. But in real life, the difference will equate to the square root of zero so I won't lose any sleep.
The only concern I have is the heat these things run at. Will the Exynos run hotter than the Snapdragon performing the same tasks? That will bother me, even if the speed is effectively the same. We will need to wait and see, but I've heard nothing about that being the case and the Snapdragon 810 was known to be a melting pot in more ways than one. Perhaps they haven't completely overcome that and the Exynos will still be the better SOC in that respect anyway.
In short, I'm getting the Exynos, but I'm not concerned about that.
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So is the Exynos.
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Heat shouldn't be a problem, the s7 (edge) comes with some type of water cooling system like they have in gaming PCs.
As for me, I would choose Snapdragon because of the development, aosp, cm, tw all in one. I believe Exynos is closed source.
I'm aware it comes with a heat spreader, but given the size, I'm unsure how effective it will be. Hopefully very.
Exynos for me if i wanted cm i would buy nexus. As mentioned above tw has been getting better im running note 4 exynos 5.1.1 and it flies. Being nearly 2 years old i can only imagine the s7 edge performance for todays phones
It's also worth pointing out that one of the primary reasons to buy this phone is the camera. Well, if you put non-stock on it then you will never get the quality it's capable of.
@Beefheart, I don't want to start a heated debate here, but for me at least, it seems logical that people want the S820 variant because of the presumably better support from the development community. Touchwiz sucks in speed, no matter how you put it. I used many phones in the last year, including the Note5 and even if it's faster than previous Samsung devices, lag is still there : in multitasking, when launching various apps, etc. And you see it especially when compared with same generation phones that come with weaker hardware but (much) better optimized software : oneplus2, meizu pro5, even LG G4 which has similar "heavy" software on it. So I think it's logical to want a CM or AOSP rom on your S7 if you want your phone to have the speed and even some extra-customization. Because of the screen quality, battery, even camera (I know, Samsung camera app will always be better than on the CM, but I believe it will be bearable even on a non-Touchwiz ROM).
Just my 2 cents.
s7 edge in asia region will get snapdragon?
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@Beefheart, I don't want to start a heated debate here, but for me at least, it seems logical that people want the S820 variant because of the presumably better support from the development community. Touchwiz sucks in speed, no matter how you put it. I used many phones in the last year, including the Note5 and even if it's faster than previous Samsung devices, lag is still there : in multitasking, when launching various apps, etc. And you see it especially when compared with same generation phones that come with weaker hardware but (much) better optimized software : oneplus2, meizu pro5, even LG G4 which has similar "heavy" software on it. So I think it's logical to want a CM or AOSP rom on your S7 if you want your phone to have the speed and even some extra-customization. Because of the screen quality, battery, even camera (I know, Samsung camera app will always be better than on the CM, but I believe it will be bearable even on a non-Touchwiz ROM).
Just my 2 cents.
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I don't believe anyone wants a heated debate, this is a forum and an expressing of opinions.
Touchwiz doesn't suck in speed, or at least not in recent models. There have still been a few issues, like the savagery of it's memory management, but from what I have read on this forum in the last few days that is far less of an issue on the S7. Touchwiz is now a very good OS regardless of what way you look at it, especially on powerful devices with a lot of RAM. Or 4gb in the case of the S7. I think a lot of people still judge it on the piece of s**t it was on the S2/S3 and to a lesser extent, the S4. But it's inevitable when something has a terrible rep it will take time to fix.
I simply find it a little strange that a fan of vanilla Android who doesn't like Touchwiz would buy a premium Samsung flagship device only to remove the very thing which provides most of the features that make it a premium flagship device in the first place. Especially given the numerous other options on the market which are more suitable. As someone said earlier, if they wanted CM or AOSP, they'd have bought a Nexus.
But to go back to the architecture, I myself would take the 820 over the Exynos if given a straight choice, I've already said that.
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I don't believe anyone wants a heated debate, this is a forum and an expressing of opinions.
Touchwiz doesn't suck in speed, or at least not in recent models. There have still been a few issues, like the savagery of it's memory management, but from what I have read on this forum in the last few days that is far less of an issue on the S7. Touchwiz is now a very good OS regardless of what way you look at it, especially on powerful devices with a lot of RAM. Or 4gb in the case of the S7. I think a lot of people still judge it on the piece of s**t it was on the S2/S3 and to a lesser extent, the S4. But it's inevitable when something has a terrible rep it will take time to fix.
I simply find it a little strange that a fan of vanilla Android who doesn't like Touchwiz would buy a premium Samsung flagship device only to remove the very thing which provides most of the features that make it a premium flagship device in the first place. Especially given the numerous other options on the market which are more suitable. As someone said earlier, if they wanted CM or AOSP, they'd have bought a Nexus.
But to go back to the architecture, I myself would take the 820 over the Exynos if given a straight choice, I've already said that.
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I always thought Android was about freedom. And you just can't say to anyone who wants a stripped down UI and a nice phone on the same time, to just go and buy a Nexus. First of all, the Nexus 6p is an ugly phone (subjective, I know...). Second, it's a big phone, which might be too much for some. Having had all the Samsung Note phones (and much of the S series) I can't find something really interesting in Touchwiz, something I can't live without or something I can't also have on CM. Maybe besides the camera app. I used the Note4 for more than half a year and most of the time it was with CM on it which was running great, miles ahead of TW regarding the speed and multitasking functionality. Of course, I can't talk about the S7, there are very few who have the device at this moment, but given my past experiences with TW (Note5 included) I'm not very optimistic.
I'm not telling anyone to buy or not buy anything. I'm saying that in my opinion it makes no sense to pay a premium for a phone only to remove the features that made it premium in the first place. But if people want to spend £650 (or the equivalent via a network contract) to do that they're more than entitled to do that and it's obviously their money. But I'm going around in circles here so I'll bow out.