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[Q] plug Transformer into PC via USB - what do you see?

Hi,
This is kind of a basic question, but since I don't have a Transformer, I have no way to testing it. I've tested it on a Samsung before.
What do you see on the typical Windows XP machine when you plug your Transformer into it? Does it show up as a USB storage device? Can you move stuff directly from PC to Transformer?
I tried a Samsung Tab 10.1. I couldn't move anything into the Samsung, and it has no micro-SD card to use as alternate.

I'm using win 7 but it does what you describe when you plug it in...it's seen as a drive. (the MicroSD card that is.)

If you're running Windows XP with Media Player 11 installed (the easiest way to make it work in my experience), the Transformer shows up as a portable device in My Computer. You can move files to and from the device, but it's not assigned a drive letter (I think the SD card is if you have one). It's also not recognized as USB Mass Storage - Honeycomb doesn't connect that way.
The drawback is if you want to use utilities or apps that reference a drive letter (like iTunes Agent), it won't work. Also, because it's not USB Mass Storage, the tablet won't be recognized by simpler devices like the PS3 - therefore you cannot share data. I move data between my Galaxy S Captivate (2.2) and my PS3 all the time via USB cable, but I can't do it with my Transformer - though I've yet to try with an SD card installed.

rpavich said:
I'm using win 7 but it does what you describe when you plug it in...it's seen as a drive. (the MicroSD card that is.)
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Are you sure? Mine doesn't show as usb drive but as a mobile device. I can access both internal storage and microSD but with really bad transfer speed. How do you access the microSD as a drive?
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qwer23 said:
Are you sure? Mine doesn't show as usb drive but as a mobile device. I can access both internal storage and microSD but with really bad transfer speed. How do you access the microSD as a drive?
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Oh...maybe it does...I assumed that since it showed up as storage that it was a drive...I assumed that it was the same thing.

Thanks for the quick responses.
Interesting that both Samsung Tab and Transformer are running basically the same OS, but for some reason the Samsung Tab 10.1 won't let me put files in it via USB. It doesn't have a micro-SD slot, so it's a big problem.
Why, wonder why the big difference between the two if they're the same Android 3.1.

[Q] Hard Drives & MicroSD

1. What format does the drive need to be to be read by the MOJO?
At the time of this writing: Hard drives need to be NTSC. They are mounted as READ ONLY, so you will not be able to save files. Bummer.
2. Same question, except for a 64GB MicroSDXC format...?
At the time of this writing: microSD must be formatted as FAT32 with 32K cluster size. They need to be set as a PRIMARY drive rather than LOGICAL.

1. NTFS or FAT32 usb 2.0 HDs work. I've tried USB 3.0 HDs and so far those haven't worked
2. I havn't tested a 64gig micro sd but most Android devices only recognize up to 32GB sd cards.

I've got a 64GB in my A700 and it works fine as FAT32. The CM ROMS have issue with it, however. Also, according to the MadCatz website: "For those of you who need more, there’s a microSD flash slot to accommodate SDXC cards up to 128GB!"
What format is your MicroSD?

ExtremeRyno said:
I've got a 64GB in my A700 and it works fine as FAT32. The CM ROMS have issue with it, however. Also, according to the MadCatz website: "For those of you who need more, there’s a microSD flash slot to accommodate SDXC cards up to 128GB!"
What format is your MicroSD?
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I'm using a 64gb micro sd, format FAT. Works great.

Try exFat. It's the "standard" format for SDXC type cards and unlike Fat32 you're not limited to files less than 4 gigs in size. It's the format i use on my Galaxy Note 10.1 (last year's model). It should come in exFat anyway.
Or the simplest solution would be to rip open the packaging, stick it in the MOJO and if it tells you it needs to be formatted format it. That way it's in whatever format the MOJO prefers and your pc/laptop in all likelihood will recognise the format.
Also I'm guessing you're just going to leave it in there most of the time. To avoid card readers and sync cables I normally use FTPServer on my phone and tablet and the filezilla client on the pc, and to transfer stuff to the network drive I use the android ftp client andftp (there are file explorers like ES Explorer which can handle samba connections and FTP connections but I find they're a bit slower).
Avoid NTFS on flash media. From what I've been told it uses too many read/writes which isbad for flash media due to their limited write cycles.

Yeah, I didn't even think about formatting until after I had loaded my card down with movies and music and games....exFat = Nope.
Found this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48943761&postcount=5
FAT32.
Time to backup and reformat.

ExtremeRyno said:
Yeah, I didn't even think about formatting until after I had loaded my card down with movies and music and games....exFat = Nope.
Found this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48943761&postcount=5
FAT32.
Time to backup and reformat.
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No ExFat support? Wow. Mad Catz put NO effort into the software of this device, did they. Just using the stock OS without bothering to add in bluetooth 4.0 support and just throwing in a dongle to compensate (various phone providers, i.e. HTC have a history of providing a better than stock bluetooth stack), no camera support, no exFat support (this just makes them cheapskates since they just needed to license it crom Microsoft like the phone makers that provide it on their phones and tablets).
I still have time to decide. I was planning on buying it on amazon, sending it to a friend and then having them bring it when they visited in order to avoid the overpriced shipping and import fees but I'm starting to think I'd be better off with a cheap quadcore A15 device with an SoC like the A80 from allwinner and a Moga controller. It would be cheaper, have better play store support and be more versatile from what I'm reading on here...
Considering how little effort they've put into the software I wouldn't be surprised if they never got around to the KitKat upgrade. Companies who put more effort into the OS often fail whdn it comes to promised upgrades. And if Mad Catz never upgrades the OS it means users are limited to just ONE USB port which seriously cuts dow on usability.

Wait, are you saying you can only use one usb port at a time because of the OS version?

jjprichards said:
Wait, are you saying you can only use one usb port at a time because of the OS version?
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yes beacause if there's no update to kitkat the BT smart dongle is in one already and will have to stay there.
I think it will come out, they have said it would a few times now. so just a matter of when.
yip I tested mine, no exFat support... a bit of a shame

Buy an USB Hub.
You can use hdd with ntfs should be much better then exfat.
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jjprichards said:
Wait, are you saying you can only use one usb port at a time because of the OS version?
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At this time- the controller requires a dongle which takes up one of the usb slots.
You are left with the micro SD slot and the usb 3.0 slot.
When the Kitkat update arrives, you will be able to remove the dongle and have the usb 2.0 slot available.
The usb's will probably be obsolete soon anyway- seeing as PC streaming is coming in the kitkat update.
The point of mojo is to do everything via bluetooth and wifi.
That's the beauty of the machine.

Mojorising said:
At this time- the controller requires a dongle which takes up one of the usb slots.
You are left with the micro SD slot and the usb 3.0 slot.
When the Kitkat update arrives, you will be able to remove the dongle and have the usb 2.0 slot available.
The usb's will probably be obsolete soon anyway- seeing as PC streaming is coming in the kitkat update.
The point of mojo is to do everything via bluetooth and wifi.
That's the beauty of the machine.
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What do you mean by "The usb's will probably be obsolete soon anyway- seeing as PC streaming is coming in the kitkat update. "?

jjprichards said:
What do you mean by "The usb's will probably be obsolete soon anyway- seeing as PC streaming is coming in the kitkat update. "?
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Why use a usb to transfer data when you can pull data/stream data from your pc?

saenta said:
Buy an USB Hub.
You can use hdd with ntfs should be much better then exfat.
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Mojorising said:
At this time- the controller requires a dongle which takes up one of the usb slots.
You are left with the micro SD slot and the usb 3.0 slot.
When the Kitkat update arrives, you will be able to remove the dongle and have the usb 2.0 slot available.
The usb's will probably be obsolete soon anyway- seeing as PC streaming is coming in the kitkat update.
The point of mojo is to do everything via bluetooth and wifi.
That's the beauty of the machine.
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First of all, the point is that you're not getting the functionality promised. You are told that it's a micro-console with TWO usb ports and you can either give up the controller, or give up a usb port. Secondly a usb hub can be an okay solution but you then have to worry about getting a normal one or a powered one and how much it will affect throughput splitting it up depending on what devices you have attached. And as is others here have reported problems in using both USB drives simultaneously (and that some drives work better in one than the other).
Yes, streaming is good, you can actually use it right now if you´re just talking about transferring files, but if you're told you'll get two USB ports you should GET two functional and available usb ports.
KitKat upgrade. They've mentioned it, but don't think there's actually an official announcement. Plus they could have had that functionality there since the beginning. Smartphone and tablet makers add/take away functionality from Android and its Kernel. Heck, people HERE do it all the time. So why can't Mad Catz. And how long exactly do people have to wait for the upgrade? As the saying goes, buy a device for what it can do today, not what it can do tomorrow. Manufacturers often don't come through on promised upgrades.
Also to say that you/they support SDXC without a disclaimer saying that you can't use exFat is fraudulent as exFat is STANDARD on SDXC. If they made all this clear from the beginning it wouldn't be so bad but they don't and as such mislead their (potential) clients. Who cares about friendly and speedy support if they can't actually solve the issues present?

I would use the USB to hold a thumb drive full of data like the ISOs I've ripped from my GameCube and PSX for emulation. (Trying to get my wife to give up the Wii to our son when the Android port of Dolphin reaches maturity).

Formatted my card as FAT32, loaded it down, NO LUCK.
Tried the card in two computers and it shows up as FAT32 with all files intact. I'm on my A700 right now, popped it in, and it is working just fine.
There really needs to be a reboot option on the MOJO...Yes, I rebooted..no luck. Causes FC from settings when I try to see my storage.
Thoughts?

ExtremeRyno said:
Formatted my card as FAT32, loaded it down, NO LUCK.
Tried the card in two computers and it shows up as FAT32 with all files intact. I'm on my A700 right now, popped it in, and it is working just fine.
There really needs to be a reboot option on the MOJO...Yes, I rebooted..no luck. Causes FC from settings when I try to see my storage.
Thoughts?
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Are getting any message when you stick it in?

solsearch said:
Are getting any message when you stick it in?
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When you put the USB in, do you see it say, preparing USB in the top left?
You then have to go to your mojo settings, storage, and 'mount USB'.
It will. Then show up.
To unmount, go to settings, storage, unmount.
Working now?

solsearch said:
Are getting any message when you stick it in?
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Nothing.
When it was formatted as exFAT, I could at least get to the storage options...just wouldn't mount.

I'm trying an extHD to connect.
First try 1 partition 1TB NTFS - recognized and mounted without problems on USB 3.0 port. (but NTFS don't work on my LG G2)
2nd try 4 partitions 1,2,3,4, extFat 256GB recognized, but can't mount. (but works fine on LG G2)
3rd try 4 partitions 1 NTFS, 2,3 extFat and 4 NTFS - don't work
4rd try 1 partition 1TB extFat - can't mount.
So, I let this thing NTFS formatted now. :silly:
If the M.O.J.O could be rooted, we could use tools to mount ALL formats and ALL partitions.
Solution for my rooted LG G2 was simple. " Paragon NTFS & HFS+ " is a free tool in Play Store.
NTFS is r/w now on my smartphone and r/o on the Mojo.

Transferring files over wifi and sd card transfers

I've been trying to transfer files to my external sd card with es explorer over wifi and also with usb from my pc. Every time the screen goes off I lose the connection and the transfer stalls and won't resume.
The card was formatted on the tablet, and is exfat. Windows doesn't recognize it and says it can't format it.
Any ideas?
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distracto said:
I've been trying to transfer files to my external sd card with es explorer over wifi and also with usb from my pc. Every time the screen goes off I lose the connection and the transfer stalls and won't resume.
The card was formatted on the tablet, and is exfat. Windows doesn't recognize it and says it can't format it.
Any ideas?
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More info would help us to help you.
What kind of pc, what OS, what adapter are you using for computer, what brand sd card, how big are the files, are you doing other tasks on the computer when transfering the files and have you tried reformatting on your tablet.
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Try airdroid
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Except for small files, I don't use ESFile Manager to transfer them, and for me it's just as easy to pop the MicroSD card out of the tablet and put it in a fast USB 3.0 card reader than connecting the tablet to my PC with its data cable at USB 2.0 speeds. I don't do this for my Note phone because I'd have to take my multi-layer Seidio case and and back cover off to access the MicroSD card, but with the tablet the card is more easily accessible.

internetpilot said:
Except for small files, I don't use ESFile Manager to transfer them, and for me it's just as easy to pop the MicroSD card out of the tablet and put it in a fast USB 3.0 card reader than connecting the tablet to my PC with its data cable at USB 2.0 speeds. I don't do this for my Note phone because I'd have to take my multi-layer Seidio case and and back cover off to access the MicroSD card, but with the tablet the card is more easily accessible.
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How is your microSD formatted? NTFS or exFAT?
I am using windows XP, standard USB cables (that came with the device), large files (movies, tv shows) of over 10gigs some of them.
it may be something as simple as my usb port on the laptop, just wondering more about transfers stopping when the tablet goes to sleep?
air droid seems pretty neat, but 100mb limit per month?

You guys should check out Samsung Link. It allows you to access/transfer/stream content from any device it's running on from any Wi-Fi network. It also works over 3/4G.

Oh yeah, it's a 64gb adata micro sd
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distracto said:
How is your microSD formatted? NTFS or exFAT?
I am using windows XP, standard USB cables (that came with the device), large files (movies, tv shows) of over 10gigs some of them.
it may be something as simple as my usb port on the laptop, just wondering more about transfers stopping when the tablet goes to sleep?
air droid seems pretty neat, but 100mb limit per month?
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Windows XP will not support EX-FAT unless you have update (WindowsXP-KB955704-x86-ENU.exe) found here. 3.2 mb download http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=19364 For 32 bit.

distracto said:
How is your microSD formatted? NTFS or exFAT?
I am using windows XP, standard USB cables (that came with the device), large files (movies, tv shows) of over 10gigs some of them.
it may be something as simple as my usb port on the laptop, just wondering more about transfers stopping when the tablet goes to sleep?
air droid seems pretty neat, but 100mb limit per month?
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It's a Samsung 64GB SDXC card formatted exFAT. I'm running Windows 7 64-bit on a i7 based PC I just custom built, so it's USB 3.0 and very fast. I came from an old dual core Windows XP desktop PC (that I also built), so I know what you're feeling. Previously I would just sync or copy stuff over WiFi all the time without really noticing much of a speed difference over directly connecting my tablet/phone to my PC via a cable. But now whenever I can use my USB 3.0 card reader I do it because it's night and day different in terms of speed.

i reformatted it with windows, files are tranferring at ~13MB/s over USB2.0. Painful yes, but at lerast they are copying
i have yet to see if it works in the tablet after things are copied over. definitely easy to manage from within windows with teracopy pro, but would be nice if i could use es explorer over wifi on my home network and let the copies go overnight without waking up to failed transfers because the device went to sleep during the transfer....

.... Aaand now the tablet won't recognize the card. Should have formatted with the device, not the computer
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kkretch said:
Windows XP will not support EX-FAT unless you have update (WindowsXP-KB955704-x86-ENU.exe) found here. 3.2 mb download http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=19364 For 32 bit.
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thank you for the link.....XP recognized the card after installing the driver
i then formatted it exFAT and then i went ahead and copied over a couple 8 or 10gb files and a bunch of 1.5gb files. suddenly windows said the write delay failed and now i cant see the card in windows or the tablet.
this is getting off topic, but how do i now get anything to recognize the card? this is frustrating!

distracto said:
thank you for the link.....XP recognized the card after installing the driver
i then formatted it exFAT and then i went ahead and copied over a couple 8 or 10gb files and a bunch of 1.5gb files. suddenly windows said the write delay failed and now i cant see the card in windows or the tablet.
this is getting off topic, but how do i now get anything to recognize the card? this is frustrating!
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XP can return that error when moving large files esp. when you have write caching enabled. You could turn that off but it slows down you file cache.
I have also had errors in Windows 7 when moving to many large files at one time. I think the chip over heats as mine does get hot some times when I transfer large files in computer with adapter.
Can you see it in in windows - control panel/administrative tools/computer management/storage/
disk management.

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Can you see it in in windows - control panel/administrative tools/computer management/storage/
disk management.
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It shows up as disk 1 no media.
No partitions are visible and I cannot format or anything. Perhaps i wrecked the card?
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distracto said:
It shows up as disk 1 no media.
No partitions are visible and I cannot format or anything. Perhaps i wrecked the card?
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HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool - Format USB drives is my goto tool for a problem like this, but be very careful and make sure you selected the correct drive when and if you format. I have enclosed the tool, you can research it on the web if you like, search youtube.

kkretch said:
HP USB Disk Storage Format Tool - Format USB drives is my goto tool for a problem like this, but be very careful and make sure you selected the correct drive when and if you format. I have enclosed the tool, you can research it on the web if you like, search youtube.
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Thanks for all your help today. I'll give it a go. If nothing else I'll just buy a new card. I'm off to Hawaii on Friday and I was hoping to have the card loaded up with media and ready to go by then.
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SD card not detected

I have the Yoga book with windows, and recently I had to remove my micro SD card to use in another device. Now the tablet simply acts as though the port is empty, even though the card is in it. Help?

Check the card in another machine and make sure it’s formatted as fat. The yoga book is a little picky. I had to buy a brand new card for mine. They do go bad after a time...

Victory
Hi,
I have been posting about this issue everywhere, and with lack of ideas, i started trying different microSd cards i had laying around.
And 1 card was recognized, that was format as Fat32 with a special default allocation value, that i used for Wii U. I can't tell you what default allocation, because I don't know how to see it, but as soon as i will i will post it.
The good thing is that it just worked. And i tried so manny things..... I even went so far as to reinstall windows....
fredsav said:
Hi,
I want to update this topic because I have the same issue on my Yoga Book Windows 10 Pro 1809.
It's a second hand and it's totally refreshed with a new Win10 version with yoga book drivers (cf https://forum.xda-developers.com/yoga-book/how-to/windows-guide-creating-windows-10-t3718823). I don't know how it worked before.
All is functional and up-to-date.
I have a microSD Samsung Evo + 128Go (which is a 32Go I think, a counterfeit but it's not the subject). it's recognized by the system, the drive appears and write/read is OK (but long).
I bought yesterday a SanDisk Ultimate Pro 128Go class 10 U3. But it's not recognized by Windows...
1/ When I insert the tray with the card, I can hear the Windows sound when you connect something. So Windows "knows" that there's somethinh new.
2/ Briefly I see the connexion icon on the right-bottom of the desktop, but it disappears quickly. No other sound.
3/ Drive letter is not visible and in computer management, there's no additional drive, only the internal drive.
4/ In device management, there's a line (SD controller host or something like that) with a yellow symbol, error code 10. But I can't fix it, Windows update finds nothing more.
5/ When I pull the tray, the disconnection sound can be heard.
6/ SDcard is OK on another PC and I tried all format types (exFAT, FAT32, NTFS) but same issue.
7/ Note that I have a Yoga Book with Android (so the same hardware I think) and this card was recognized and full functional...
I tried to install Realtek driver (as topic https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Yoga-Book-Android/Yoga-Book-SD-Card-limitation/td-p/3481360/page/2 ) but nothing more, this driver is not activated in device management. Same issue.
Even if I use the other card Samsung which is recognized, the RealTek driver is not activated.
I have to uninstall something before ? There's a conflict somewhere ?
I'm lost... Thanks for your help !
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General Booting OS from sd card

Hey guys, just putting this out there.
Valve said that you can install any OS you want on this including windows which is better for game support. Proton is great and all but doesnt have 100% coverage.
So what this means is it probably has an accessible BIOS (maybe even cpu undervolting possible) and should let you boot from sd card. This would be great for keeping steam os on the main storage just to see how it goes and for emulators. And then any game that doesnt run properly under proton you can quickly plug in an sd card with bootable windows and play those games there.
What do you guys think if this is possible would you do it? or what other os would you install?

As seen on many SBCs (i.e. RPi, odroid...), sd-card booting is rather slow.
You Do not want that for a Windows-Installation.
My guess is that they wanted to make thing as cheap as possible. A Windows 10 license adds somewhat $50-$100 to the pricetag. Plus they would have to certify the steamdeck for Windows.... Also adds costs, time and maybe IT is not possible at all.
I'd rather go with swapping PCIe-SSDs. Although that might void the warranty.

I agree, I think sd card booting will be slow. But, it's not impossible. Think, booting Ubuntu with a CD. It's slow to boot but once booted mostly everything is in memory and pretty quick.

Ssd... usb... same ole...
My ole elite book 820 1st version, is a corporate laptop, more open than oems, I5 is rapid, 256 pcie used for (broken)wan, wiped giving me a 250 c drive, sata filled with 250gig of fruity midi and softsynths, when hooked up to my studio, best sounds where i live lol, no lag, latency pretty much zero, using win 7 x64 ultimate
Same speeds, usb3 speed, that's how I see it, or usb 2 most likely for most...
That's your actual hardware speed...
chip performance re: running an os, my ssd is faster than the old ones with moving part's... ssd loses files, the old ones we could find easier... with rstudio etc..
Think about it... your ssd is using usb (most likely 3) to transfer through the usb bus...
And if memory serves me correctly, ssd's can only handle on average 200,000,000 read write's, now what does all this mountin partitions do?
Wear the heck out of those rw
ssd all the way.... the frequencies are the key to speed

i wish they would have put a usb A port on the device and that they would have planned for easier replacement of SSD.