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Just ordered an Atrix yesterday.
It should arrive next tuesday.
I'm using a Samsung Captivate right now. Having an unlocked bootloader is great, but it seems if the phone is s*it, then It will remain s*it no matter what rom you flash to it. I can't understand why a phone with a 1ghz cpu needs a patch to avoid lags. GPS never worked well, and with latest roms it never worked. Last time I had good gps was with JI6, but for some reason, it doesn't work anymore, no matter what rom I flash to it.
Then we have the Inspire 4g. I had that phone in mind before ordering the Atrix, but seeing how s*itty the battery was I decided in favor of the Atrix. Why in the world they put a 1230 mAh battery in a device with a huge 4.3" screen?. What were they thinking?. Also, why only 4gb of internal storage?. These two points were the ones that made me decide against the Inspire. It may have lots of roms avalaible, but it doesn't have good autonomy. So I may have total control of my phone, but It won't stay alive a whole day.
Then we'll have the Galaxy S 2 in a few months. I will never buy a Samsung phone again. Samsung proved to be s*it with my Captivate and almost with all the SGS series.
So I ended buying an Atrix. I really hope it doesn't disapoint me like the Captivate did. I don't care if I can't flash a different rom every week. If everythings work fine out of the box, then I don't see the point to flash it everyday.
What do you guys think?. I've seen lots of threads hating this phone. Threads like "I returned my Atrix for an Inspire". Is the Atrix a good phone?.
I hope I have taken the right decision.
welcome i still have a captivate as backup but there is nothing to compere between these two phones....maybe amoled screen is lil better than atrix one but i got used to it already.
yokopol said:
welcome i still have a captivate as backup but there is nothing to compere between these two phones....maybe amoled screen is lil better than atrix one but i got used to it already.
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I see. I realized the Atrix should be a beast compared to the Captivate ^^.
Whipon said:
Just ordered an Atrix yesterday.
It should arrive next tuesday.
I'm using a Samsung Captivate right now. Having an unlocked bootloader is great, but it seems if the phone is ****, then It will remain **** no matter what rom you flash to it. I can't understand why a phone with a 1ghz cpu needs a patch to avoid lags. GPS never worked well, and with latest roms it never worked. Last time I had good gps was with JI6, but for some reason, it doesn't work anymore, no matter what rom I flash to it.
Then we have the Inspire 4g. I had that phone in mind before ordering the Atrix, but seeing how ****ty the battery was I decided in favor of the Atrix. Why in the world they put a 1230 mAh battery in a device with a huge 4.3" screen?. What were they thinking?. Also, why only 4gb of internal storage?. These two points were the ones that made me decide against the Inspire. It may have lots of roms avalaible, but it doesn't have good autonomy. So I may have total control of my phone, but It won't stay alive a whole day.
Then we'll have the Galaxy S 2 in a few months. I will never buy a Samsung phone again. Samsung proved to be **** with my Captivate and almost with all the SGS series.
So I ended buying an Atrix. I really hope it doesn't disapoint me like the Captivate did. I don't care if I can't flash a different rom every week. If everythings work fine out of the box, then I don't see the point to flash it everyday.
What do you guys think?. I've seen lots of threads hating this phone. Threads like "I returned my Atrix for an Inspire". Is the Atrix a good phone?.
I hope I have taken the right decision.
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I think you are right. Don't forget the Inspire is a full ounce heavier. I tried handling the Inspire and it was very uncomfortable. Not only that it looked like and felt like a clunker. I really did not like that silver thing at the top or the weight. Definitely not sleek and fashionable. One reason I left the iPhone was the big, square mini computer shape which is kind of like the Inspire. I had a Captivate and was flashing the roms to correct all the difficulties it had. Atrix works out of the box and works very well. It is fast and handles both phone calls and e mail well. It is light years ahead of where the Captivate is at even if you do use all the custom roms. No battery problems with the Atrix. No overheating. No lag. The only way I was able to even come close with the Captivate was when I used Cyanogen Mod 6.1 or Gingerbread. I have a Galaxy S II on order but I may cancel. Atrix is that good.
I would join you and almost did. But i hate locked down phones. Its kinda like leasing a car. But the atrix is still sick. And im sure its great... I do still want one lol.
And please watch the swearing.... We have alot of young users.
Atrix is very fast phone,but camera picture quality is suck
5 days into my switch from the iphone 4 and im still extremely satisfied. Welcome and good luck!!!
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I liked the atrix a lot but admit I sold it and am going to give the inspire a try. The battery on the atrix was great.
If you keep the atrix check my signature for a cheap hd entertainment kit. My buyer took just the phone.
Good luck with the atrix.
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Thanks a lot for the feedback guys. This is very encouraging . I'm not nervous anymore about having bought the phone.
killster said:
I liked the atrix a lot but admit I sold it and am going to give the inspire a try. The battery on the atrix was great.
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If you liked it, then, why you sold it?.
smokestack76 said:
I would join you and almost did. But i hate locked down phones. Its kinda like leasing a car. But the atrix is still sick. And im sure its great... I do still want one lol.
And please watch the swearing.... We have alot of young users.
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I'm sorry. Are you talking about the s*it word?. Couldn't help it.
Welcome! You may see some Atrix Hater Threads on here but believe me this phone is a beast.
Whipon said:
Just ordered an Atrix yesterday.
It should arrive next tuesday.
I'm using a Samsung Captivate right now. Having an unlocked bootloader is great, but it seems if the phone is ****, then It will remain **** no matter what rom you flash to it. I can't understand why a phone with a 1ghz cpu needs a patch to avoid lags. GPS never worked well, and with latest roms it never worked. Last time I had good gps was with JI6, but for some reason, it doesn't work anymore, no matter what rom I flash to it.
Then we have the Inspire 4g. I had that phone in mind before ordering the Atrix, but seeing how ****ty the battery was I decided in favor of the Atrix. Why in the world they put a 1230 mAh battery in a device with a huge 4.3" screen?. What were they thinking?. Also, why only 4gb of internal storage?. These two points were the ones that made me decide against the Inspire. It may have lots of roms avalaible, but it doesn't have good autonomy. So I may have total control of my phone, but It won't stay alive a whole day.
Then we'll have the Galaxy S 2 in a few months. I will never buy a Samsung phone again. Samsung proved to be **** with my Captivate and almost with all the SGS series.
So I ended buying an Atrix. I really hope it doesn't disapoint me like the Captivate did. I don't care if I can't flash a different rom every week. If everythings work fine out of the box, then I don't see the point to flash it everyday.
What do you guys think?. I've seen lots of threads hating this phone. Threads like "I returned my Atrix for an Inspire". Is the Atrix a good phone?.
I hope I have taken the right decision.
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I had mine since the first batch of pre-orders went out...at first I did not like the colors on the Atrix got use to the Captivate OLED..but then I started to really test the phone..movies, calls, web, texting,GPS with Copilot, voice commands..running apps in the background and foreground..I tried by best to find something wrong with the Atrix as it was out of the box..it never glitched..ever.... I was shocked..Captivate would have croaked...and rebooted itself.
Then I said man..the battery on this is runs out really quick..well there is a dual core processor in the thing running at 1Ghz..so I rooted it then applied SetCPU..under clocked...then tried to crash it again...I failed..yes I got some lag after trying to run 5-6 apps in the background and playing a movie with the CPU set to 600hz...but I can tell you it never crashed or rebooted on me...so I say..I can deal with the extra high res screen with natural skin colors and locked boot loader..now I enjoy an average of 80-90hrs on one charge..with normal phone use..and about 45-55 hrs under heavy use...and yes I turn off data mode when not used..now if someone can figure out to switch between 4G/3G down to Edge mode..I think I can increase battery life even more and still have very good performance..with the ability to go full throttle as needed.
One day one of our master developers on this forum or other..will find a way to unlock it..then it will be really game on..
That's my story on the Atrix vs Captivate..
Whipon said:
Just ordered an Atrix yesterday.
It should arrive next tuesday.
I'm using a Samsung Captivate right now. Having an unlocked bootloader is great, but it seems if the phone is ****, then It will remain **** no matter what rom you flash to it. I can't understand why a phone with a 1ghz cpu needs a patch to avoid lags. GPS never worked well, and with latest roms it never worked. Last time I had good gps was with JI6, but for some reason, it doesn't work anymore, no matter what rom I flash to it.
Then we have the Inspire 4g. I had that phone in mind before ordering the Atrix, but seeing how ****ty the battery was I decided in favor of the Atrix. Why in the world they put a 1230 mAh battery in a device with a huge 4.3" screen?. What were they thinking?. Also, why only 4gb of internal storage?. These two points were the ones that made me decide against the Inspire. It may have lots of roms avalaible, but it doesn't have good autonomy. So I may have total control of my phone, but It won't stay alive a whole day.
Then we'll have the Galaxy S 2 in a few months. I will never buy a Samsung phone again. Samsung proved to be **** with my Captivate and almost with all the SGS series.
So I ended buying an Atrix. I really hope it doesn't disapoint me like the Captivate did. I don't care if I can't flash a different rom every week. If everythings work fine out of the box, then I don't see the point to flash it everyday.
What do you guys think?. I've seen lots of threads hating this phone. Threads like "I returned my Atrix for an Inspire". Is the Atrix a good phone?.
I hope I have taken the right decision.
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I love the Atrix, u made a great decision
I moved from the Captivate to the Atrix too.
At first I was worried, reading about MotoBlur...screen...etc...
Of course the best way to evaluate a product is to daily-use, at least for me. There's only so much I can read without trying it out the way I would use it.
Got my Atrix on Monday lunch, and I'm getting used to the screen, the power/fingerprint location, MotoBlur stuff...
Wouldn't say it's a perfect phone, but it's enough for my needs
How about the dock kit?
How was the resolution of the atrix?. How was the entertaining kit? -useful or boring?. I have a Nexus one with Gingerbread, runs pretty fast, very good at calls and battery, internet is fast, it have tether. Soo i'm looking for the Atrix for the video out features, HDMI and it's "speed".
reddog said:
.now if someone can figure out to switch between 4G/3G down to Edge mode..I think I can increase battery life even more and still have very good performance..with the ability to go full throttle as needed.
One day one of our master developers on this forum or other..will find a way to unlock it..then it will be really game on..
That's my story on the Atrix vs Captivate..
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bioert said:
How was the resolution of the atrix?. How was the entertaining kit? -useful or boring?. I have a Nexus one with Gingerbread, runs pretty fast, very good at calls and battery, internet is fast, it have tether. Soo i'm looking for the Atrix for the video out features, HDMI and it's "speed".
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I would think speed would be pretty much the same. Just replace Motoblur with a ASOP Gingerbread launcher and use SetCPU, then the Atrix will match the Nexus S for speed.
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I'm sorry. Are you talking about the s*it word?. Couldn't help it.
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Yes i mean that. So please edit your post? Its not really bad. But bad enough...
Done
smokestack76 said:
Yes i mean that. So please edit your post? Its not really bad. But bad enough...
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Well, I did it. Censored the word.
But It seems its pointless, since lots of users quoted me.
I have had the atrix since launch. Its been replaced 2 times since i got it. I wanna like it. But, I came from the n1. I never got why ppl *****ed so much about android fragmentation. Well now I get it. We have a Outdated OS os on a brand new phone, Some apps don't even work from the market becasue of the dual core. We have a locked bootloader still just like the DX.
This has now driven me back to the iPhone witch ironicly feels like a more open platform.
The DX bootloader has not been cracked and neither will this.
Thanks Moto... THANKS FOR NOTHING. Android may be open but only on a pure Google phone. I say we all boycott anything but pure Google experienced.
Festaman said:
I have had the atrix since launch. Its been replaced 2 times since i got it. I wanna like it. But, I came from the n1. I never got why ppl *****ed so much about android fragmentation. Well now I get it. We have a Outdated OS os on a brand new phone, Some apps don't even work from the market becasue of the dual core. We have a locked bootloader still just like the DX.
This has no driven me back to the iPhone with ironicly feels like a more open platform.
The DX bootloader has not been cracked and neither will this.
Thanks Moto... THANKS FOR NOTHING. Android may be open but only on a pure Google phone. I say we all boycott anything but pure Google experienced.
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K... Bye.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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LMAO don't be so mellow dramatic.
The OS isn't outdated, it's just not on the bleeding edge of technology with the absolute latest update, my friend. Speaking of bleeding, what's so important and missing from the Atrix that's making your tampon leak all over the place?
If you want to switch to an iPhone, that's all right. We have a great Android community and we all love our Atrix's despite it's minor flaws. No phone is perfect. But it seems like you should genuinely consider sticking to just the Google flagship handsets if you're going to complain so much.
LOL. Good, one less whiner around here.
Wow. Someone has sand in his vagina. hahaha
Bye bye! Kthx.
GibMcFragger said:
Wow. Someone has sand in his vagina. hahaha
Bye bye! Kthx.
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But it's so tight!
I would say bye also, but that would imply I give a turd! lol
You know a lot of apps don't work on 2.3
Takes time for devs to catch up...
Festaman said:
I have had the atrix since launch. Its been replaced 2 times since i got it. I wanna like it. But, I came from the n1. I never got why ppl *****ed so much about android fragmentation. Well now I get it. We have a Outdated OS os on a brand new phone, Some apps don't even work from the market becasue of the dual core. We have a locked bootloader still just like the DX.
This has no driven me back to the iPhone with ironicly feels like a more open platform.
The DX bootloader has not been cracked and neither will this.
Thanks Moto... THANKS FOR NOTHING. Android may be open but only on a pure Google phone. I say we all boycott anything but pure Google experienced.
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This is a useless complaint. It doesn't help anything. So...why even waste your time? Nobody cares.
Atrix lol
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this phone has been out for a lil over a month and your complaining already? Really??? if you don't like the the device just move on, go back to your N1 that has to be rooted and fully modded just to barely reach half of the power that the Atrix has, there's a difference between constructive criticism and ignorance.....i wish people would quit whining about the bootloader on this phone and actually give it a chance, and be patient while the devs are working on it, what if root never existed??? what would u do then?
In my "opinion" if root never existed, we wouldn't have these complaints about the atrix, and they would realize that it's the most powerful phone to date and possibly this year, think about it motorola set a trend with the atrix, the first dual core phone so now every other company is gonna hop on the bandwagon, so give moto some credit at least
Festaman said:
I have had the atrix since launch. Its been replaced 2 times since i got it. I wanna like it. But, I came from the n1. I never got why ppl *****ed so much about android fragmentation. Well now I get it. We have a Outdated OS os on a brand new phone, Some apps don't even work from the market becasue of the dual core. We have a locked bootloader still just like the DX.
This has no driven me back to the iPhone with ironicly feels like a more open platform.
The DX bootloader has not been cracked and neither will this.
Thanks Moto... THANKS FOR NOTHING. Android may be open but only on a pure Google phone. I say we all boycott anything but pure Google experienced.
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An amazingly sad tale.. I hope you have some kleenex nearby.
Give the guy some slack. If u realy don't care about his wyning than why do u waste ur time replying to his post. maybe he just got bad luck and ended up with some ****y devices.
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i cant say i agree with most of the post but i do agree with the locked bootloader. right now jailbroken iphone's seem to have more freedom than this device. I love it and with the exception of the camera and the bootloader, i really wouldnt change a thing.
but most of us come from a truly rooted device and flashing roms to suit our own needs. Maybe im just spoiled with android's freedom.
Well I'm back on my n1 not by choice... you guys whining on att have nothing to complain about AT ALL. The bell atrix is really nothing special without sbf or the update... its a tad quicker its a bit smoother but honestly I need an ATT model to even compare.
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blunted09 said:
i cant say i agree with most of the post but i do agree with the locked bootloader. right now jailbroken iphone's seem to have more freedom than this device. I love it and with the exception of the camera and the bootloader, i really wouldnt change a thing.
but most of us come from a truly rooted device and flashing roms to suit our own needs. Maybe im just spoiled with android's freedom.
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i can from a epic 4g and a hero and to say the truth i was tried of flashing all different kinds of crap all the time to just make it work.
all that has gone away with the atrix it just great
but i personally think i might get an iphone after my atrix because i have never had one just because i am tired of android because its all the same
it would be a lie if i said i havent been tempted to sell my atrix while the resale value is fairly high. But there are no phones that compete with everything this phone has to offer...
-best battery life ever by far
-amazing screen
-speaker is the best i have had on a phone
-one very important thing nobody seems to have mentioned is the back cover! Anyone notice that the whole back and corners of the phone are covered by a cover that can be purchased from the store??? GREATEST IDEA EVER!!
-once launcher pro is installed UNCHECK the high quality scrolling and the home screens absolutely fly with no lag ever
-i have a 16gb sd card and the phone comes with another 16!
-future proof for the most part
-the notification bar NEVER lags which is much more than i can say for pretty much every android device i have owned
-hdmi output is surprisingly usefull
Whatever lag is noticable is likely due to everything not being optimized for dual core and this high level of screen resolution(like lwp)
I love my Atrix and am patient enough to wait for the boot loader. Some people will say this and that about the Atrix but let's be realistic our phone is just as powerful as a netbook, that's awesome lol
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I doubt we will see full potentional of our phones until we get the gingerbread update.
don't hit your vagina on the way out
thinking abiout getting x.. is it worth it?
The Droid X?
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If you can get a Droid X for a good price, you should take the opportunity.
It's very good device with many rom options. You won't be disappointed.
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Depends on the price. And read up on it before you do and know what you're getting into, or the community just might drive you crazy. Great support for how old it is, but you will be hearing about the bootloader until your head explodes.
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kilus said:
thinking abiout getting x.. is it worth it?
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Im sure there are people that will dissagree with me but I love my dx and have had very little trouble with it. If you can get it cheap go for it why not there are some good roms out there if you dont like the stock system. Lately I have flashed alot of different roms on it and its really not bad to work with I'm still having fun with it
I'd have to say, after about 18-19 months with one, you should pass. I'd get an HTC Incredible/2, or Thunderbolt. I had a lot of problems with mine, and I'm actually on my 3rd replacement device. I've had strangers tell me of similar problems.
I've had much better luck since rooting and installing Liberty ROM v3, but overall I'd say there are better devices out there.
I've also sworn off Motorola for good, or at least until they get rid of Blur. They really know how to ruin a good piece of hardware. It's just terribly slow and unstable. If you get a DX, plan on rooting and flashing something else onto it.
Oh, and as another user has already mentioned, the bootloader can cause problems, especially with the latest update. You have to avoid update .621 if you want to flash a different ROM onto it. I don't think other devices are as problematic in this regard.
OK for a good price. It is a little larger than most phones (a little big to place in a pocket .)
I'm not sure if you're talking from a straight user perspective or someone who is going to muck around a bit with their phone customizing it. For a straight user who isn't going to root it and/or go beyond what Verizon wants you to do with it then I'd say you should skip it and just get whatever new mid to top of the line Android is within your budget.
If you're looking for a phone you can muck around with and truly customize on the cheap then I would definitely recommend the X, especially since you can pick them up for about $100 off of craigslist
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I'd have to say, after about 18-19 months with one, you should pass. I'd get an HTC Incredible/2, or Thunderbolt. I had a lot of problems with mine, and I'm actually on my 3rd replacement device. I've had strangers tell me of similar problems.
I've had much better luck since rooting and installing Liberty ROM v3, but overall I'd say there are better devices out there.
I've also sworn off Motorola for good, or at least until they get rid of Blur. They really know how to ruin a good piece of hardware. It's just terribly slow and unstable. If you get a DX, plan on rooting and flashing something else onto it.
Oh, and as another user has already mentioned, the bootloader can cause problems, especially with the latest update. You have to avoid update .621 if you want to flash a different ROM onto it. I don't think other devices are as problematic in this regard.
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I have to disagree with this guy. First off it doesn't matter if the device has blur or not because you can install a custom rom that is ASOP and doesn't even have blur. Motorola in my opinion makes the best hardware and just because the bootloader is locked doesn't mean you can't do a lot with the device. This forum is DEAD for the droid x. Look on rootzwiki and you will find a ICS gem named Gummy rom from Kejar. You won't be disappointed.
As others have mentioned it depends on your situation. If you're looking for a phone to purchase for cheap without a contract, then yes, the X might be one to look at.
Personally if I had to look for something cheap right now my search would be for something with an unlocked bootloader, some decent ROM support and decent battery life.
I am guessing the Incredible 2 might fit that bill.... I'm not sure of any issues the phone may have natively but it is a more powerful phone. Probably would be a bit more expensive though.
NOTE: IF YOU BUY A DROID X AND INTEND TO ROOT/ROM (you should be planning this b/c the stock Droid X is slow and clunky) MAKE SURE IT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED TO SYSTEM VERSION .621.
.605, .602, .596, .595, .340, etc are all fine.
Prack said:
I have to disagree with this guy. First off it doesn't matter if the device has blur or not because you can install a custom rom that is ASOP and doesn't even have blur. Motorola in my opinion makes the best hardware and just because the bootloader is locked doesn't mean you can't do a lot with the device. This forum is DEAD for the droid x. Look on rootzwiki and you will find a ICS gem named Gummy rom from Kejar. You won't be disappointed.
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Actually, I think we're agreeing. I was saying if you get one, plan to flash it and get rid of Blur.
I've had hardware issues with it also, but overall, with the right Custom ROM, it can be a good experience.
As someone else has noted, if you aren't planning to root/flash this phone, you're better off with a more user-friendly device, like a Samsung or an HTC.
But, again, just my $0.02.
I still have a Droid X purchased in the release date and I never had problems with, however is getting outdated and becoming slow so it will be replaced by a HTC Rezound next week.
Great phone if you can find a cheap one in great shape. Lots of Dev community support.
Prack said:
I have to disagree with this guy. First off it doesn't matter if the device has blur or not because you can install a custom rom that is ASOP and doesn't even have blur. Motorola in my opinion makes the best hardware and just because the bootloader is locked doesn't mean you can't do a lot with the device. This forum is DEAD for the droid x. Look on rootzwiki and you will find a ICS gem named Gummy rom from Kejar. You won't be disappointed.
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I just reacquired my X after upgrading my wifes phone to a Bionic, and flashed Gummy ICS onto it. It's a georgous rom, works like a champ, and the phone FLIES with it. If you can get it cheap, go for it.
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I just reacquired my X after upgrading my wifes phone to a Bionic, and flashed Gummy ICS onto it. It's a georgous rom, works like a champ, and the phone FLIES with it. If you can get it cheap, go for it.
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Are you using 0.9.0 or one of the later builds?
Just interested to see what people are running =D
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I'm running MIUI 4-5-2012 by Wizard0f0. It's the only currently maintained ROM that appears to be stable, fast AND have almost no bugs. Most of the other ROMs (including gummy) have to many bugs for my taste (like camera or MMS or Bluetooth not working properly)
That said, I'm keeping my eyes on gummy and a few others in hopes of a fast, stable, debugged ROM with slightly better battery life. I'm not holding my breath though b/c the other ROMs seem more focused on incorporating ICS framework than getting everything working as it should. Oh well, I guess we'll just wait and see.
Now i am using x if you getting this in a good price than you should buy it.. It is good because of its nice features ..You won't be disappointed...Don't think too much about that just buy it..
Yes. Good hardware,good RF ,big screen . Just note that the phone is a bit larger than most .
bamx2 said:
Yes. Good hardware,good RF ,big screen . Just note that the phone is a larger than most .
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I don't know as I'd necessarily agree with that. 4.3" really isn't that abnormally big any more. You have devices like the Galaxy Nexus, Razor, etc coming out now at every turn. They all seem to be going between 4" and 4.65" or something.
I have one I use on WiFi only, really happy with it. Would be happier with an unlocked bootloader.
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Get it!
CM7, Jakebytesmod and Beats.
A little background first. VZW is my only option due to my line being a corporate line. Roughly a year and a half ago, I got fed up with the crappy phone choices (only blackberry at the time), so I just started buying my own and calling the 3rd party service that runs our wireless operations and telling them "I just got a new phone, could you please do an ESN swap?". That has always worked. Recently, the phone choices have gotten much better and include a variety of BB, Android and iOS devices now. Over the last few years I've gone from DINC (personal device I had since it first came out) to blackberry to DINC2 to iPhone4 to currently the Razr M. Now with SIM cards it's super easy for me to use whatever device I prefer.
Here's my current "dilemma". I have a retail Razr M (which I picked up shortly after release). Definitely loving this phone and couldn't be more happy to be back on Android after a brief hiatus to iOS. Had to give it try. Big believer in "you can't bash something without trying it". But damn iOS gets boring fast. Ha! I was excited about the M due to it's smaller footprint AND high end internals. The only thing I don't like is the locked bootloader. I was quite the crack flasher with my DINC and DINC2. The locked bootloader has led me to have interest in the S3. But I've always had an aversion to large screen phones. I like to be able operate my phone one handed. So now I have a brand new S3 sitting on my desk and I'm unsure what to do with it. I'm really enjoying my M and Jelly Bean is (almost officially) here. But I'm very interested in some CM10 or AOKP. I definitely prefer the AOSP stuff.
So the question is, do I continue my "don't bash it without trying it" theory and move over to the S3 for some AOSP love??? Or stick with the M and live with whatever fate that lies ahead?? I can only keep one. Will sell the other.
(sorry for the novel)
hokieputter said:
A little background first. VZW is my only option due to my line being a corporate line. Roughly a year and a half ago, I got fed up with the crappy phone choices (only blackberry at the time), so I just started buying my own and calling the 3rd party service that runs our wireless operations and telling them "I just got a new phone, could you please do an ESN swap?". That has always worked. Recently, the phone choices have gotten much better and include a variety of BB, Android and iOS devices now. Over the last few years I've gone from DINC (personal device I had since it first came out) to blackberry to DINC2 to iPhone4 to currently the Razr M. Now with SIM cards it's super easy for me to use whatever device I prefer.
Here's my current "dilemma". I have a retail Razr M (which I picked up shortly after release). Definitely loving this phone and couldn't be more happy to be back on Android after a brief hiatus to iOS. Had to give it try. Big believer in "you can't bash something without trying it". But damn iOS gets boring fast. Ha! I was excited about the M due to it's smaller footprint AND high end internals. The only thing I don't like is the locked bootloader. I was quite the crack flasher with my DINC and DINC2. The locked bootloader has led me to have interest in the S3. But I've always had an aversion to large screen phones. I like to be able operate my phone one handed. So now I have a brand new S3 sitting on my desk and I'm unsure what to do with it. I'm really enjoying my M and Jelly Bean is (almost officially) here. But I'm very interested in some CM10 or AOKP. I definitely prefer the AOSP stuff.
So the question is, do I continue my "don't bash it without trying it" theory and move over to the S3 for some AOSP love??? Or stick with the M and live with whatever fate that lies ahead?? I can only keep one. Will sell the other.
(sorry for the novel)
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I'd say stick with the phone you like better. Yesterday I was analyzing what I'm missing without root (I'm on team EOS 3.0 on my Xoom) and I couldn't really come up with much. One of the biggest pluses: WiFi tethering, now can be done with any app on verizon because of that lawsuit. Other than that, TiBu is a loss, and maybe some OCing and performance but I mean I loaded up the phone and its still buttery smooth with good battery. Definitely the interface modding and some fun bells and whistles are missing without custom rom but it doesn't really add up to much.
The s3 is gigantic and more expensive. I'm happy with my choice.
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Unfortunately, the two phones you've chosen represent opposite ends of the "experience spectrum" - so personal preference is going to play a big part. The only real thing the S3 has over the M that's not subjective is a better camera, and 2gb of ram vs. 1. The rest will depend on your preferences. Yes, the S3 will have more dev support. But the M won't be without it, either - root should be closer, though not guaranteed, based on a comment by P3 last night - but obviously rooting and romming are not always correlated.
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I'd say stick with the phone you like better. Yesterday I was analyzing what I'm missing without root (I'm on team EOS 3.0 on my Xoom) and I couldn't really come up with much. One of the biggest pluses: WiFi tethering, now can be done with any app on verizon because of that lawsuit. Other than that, TiBu is a loss, and maybe some OCing and performance but I mean I loaded up the phone and its still buttery smooth with good battery. Definitely the interface modding and some fun bells and whistles are missing without custom rom but it doesn't really add up to much.
The s3 is gigantic and more expensive. I'm happy with my choice.
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I agree the S3 is gigantic. I also was trying to come up with things I miss by not having root and couldn't really come up with much that seemed overly important. All were smaller bells and whistles type things. Blur on this phone is very minimal, which I like and is a big plus (for me). I'm really enjoying the M. And love the size. I too am having a smooth experience with pretty solid battery life. No issues whatsoever thus far. Best bet is to probably stick with the M. I got a good deal on the S3 and should have no trouble getting back what I paid, maybe more.
Plus, I've been wanting a Nexus 7...
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Unfortunately, the two phones you've chosen represent opposite ends of the "experience spectrum" - so personal preference is going to play a big part. The only real thing the S3 has over the M that's not subjective is a better camera, and 2gb of ram vs. 1. The rest will depend on your preferences. Yes, the S3 will have more dev support. But the M won't be without it, either - root should be closer, though not guaranteed, based on a comment by P3 last night - but obviously rooting and romming are not always correlated.
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Yes, they are definitely very different experiences. My preference has always been for smaller, easily pocketable phones. Which exactly describes the M. I don't need/want a tablet in my pocket.
I agree about the camera, but overall the M hasn't really let me down. Sure it would be nice to have a better camera, but it's not a deal breaker for me. You just have to know the limitations that you're working with. And the extra ram would be nice too. But not sure either are worth giving up the form factor that I prefer.
And I have been following the dev support of the M closely as well. I saw the comments by P3 and his team. They are very promising. And definitely helping to influence my ultimate decision. Honestly, I don't really need (or want) to be able to flash billions of roms. Just looking for a (close to) stock experience that is snappy, fully functional and bug free. Which is what I've got right now with the M. Still running the stock ICS, have not updated to the JB leak.
(I think I'm confirming my gut feelings / answering my own questions as this thread moves along... Thanks for the dialogue)
The simplest choice would seem to be ordering a Developer Edition RAZR M. If you really like the M but want the ability to fiddle, that's your route. There are already recovery and root images available for it and I think the devs will be supporting it for a while especially since the RAZR HD and HD MAXX are also running the same internals.
As for the SGSIII - Verizon is the only carrier that doesn't sell it with an unlocked bootloader so technically you'd need to buy the developer edition of that to get what you want anyway.
Neither the RAZR M nor the SGSIII Dev Editions are available via Verizon subsidized contracts.
Personally I think Sammy missed the boat. If the SGSIII Mini did what the RAZR did (same internals with smaller screen) they might have won me over, but they really skimped on the thing. What a shame.
Just my $.02.
I'm a runner and a cyclist, so the smaller the better which is why I loved my Atrix 4G (which is now running JB). The RAZR M is a narrower phone with a bigger screen. It's great to simply stow and go.
Well, now that the M has root, I think your decision is a lot easier. I would say that seeing CM9 and/or 10 is a likely bet. However, the problem now is that anything after that may not run optimally, since the bootloader is still locked and we won't be able to run a kernel optimized for the newest version. That's the problem with my Pro. Somebody ported CM9 and an AOKP ICS ROM for it, and while it does run, it's not as good as it could be. We're still stuck on the Gingerbread kernel.
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Well, now that the M has root, I think your decision is a lot easier. I would say that seeing CM9 and/or 10 is a likely bet. However, the problem now is that anything after that may not run optimally, since the bootloader is still locked and we won't be able to run a kernel optimized for the newest version. That's the problem with my Pro. Somebody ported CM9 and an AOKP ICS ROM for it, and while it does run, it's not as good as it could be. We're still stuck on the Gingerbread kernel.
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I'm really hoping we can bust the M open over the next year or so =/
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The simplest choice would seem to be ordering a Developer Edition RAZR M. If you really like the M but want the ability to fiddle, that's your route. There are already recovery and root images available for it and I think the devs will be supporting it for a while especially since the RAZR HD and HD MAXX are also running the same internals.
As for the SGSIII - Verizon is the only carrier that doesn't sell it with an unlocked bootloader so technically you'd need to buy the developer edition of that to get what you want anyway.
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Verizon's bootloader can be unlocked with a single app from the play store. Super easy. The development on the S3 phone has been amazing thus far - currently on Liquid Smooth. I'm also considering switching to a smaller phone however and the M seems to be the only phone that's small with power. Following rooting and modding very closely on this phone before making the switch as I have gotten used to all the aokp+CM10 mods in the many S3 roms I've flashed.
You make an excellent point about the Razr HD and HD Maxx, I hope that helps this phone in the mod scene.
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Verizon's bootloader can be unlocked with a single app from the play store. Super easy.
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That's why I said "technically"
But I do agree it is easier on the SGSIII. Part of that is that HTC and Samsung have not taken the time to build system safeguards into their products the way Motorola has.
Browser vendors take pride in the headaches they cause to hackers trying to find vulnerabilities. Handset manufacturers, IMO, should be thinking the same way. With all the personal data on your phone, do you really want to be able to unlock it and obtain root from an app in the Play Store?
This is one of the reasons I like Motorola devices, despite the very limited flexibility.
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The simplest choice would seem to be ordering a Developer Edition RAZR M. If you really like the M but want the ability to fiddle, that's your route. There are already recovery and root images available for it and I think the devs will be supporting it for a while especially since the RAZR HD and HD MAXX are also running the same internals.
As for the SGSIII - Verizon is the only carrier that doesn't sell it with an unlocked bootloader so technically you'd need to buy the developer edition of that to get what you want anyway.
Neither the RAZR M nor the SGSIII Dev Editions are available via Verizon subsidized contracts.
Personally I think Sammy missed the boat. If the SGSIII Mini did what the RAZR did (same internals with smaller screen) they might have won me over, but they really skimped on the thing. What a shame.
Just my $.02.
I'm a runner and a cyclist, so the smaller the better which is why I loved my Atrix 4G (which is now running JB). The RAZR M is a narrower phone with a bigger screen. It's great to simply stow and go.
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The M is my first ever Motorola device. It's also my first device running ICS or JB (there were a few of us on here that had issues running ICS on our DINC2s). Spent a little time messing around installing the JB leak and flashing back to stock just to get used to using the stock recovery, fastboot etc. With wifi tether now working on the stock ROM and the ability to disable bloatware in ICS/JB, combined with the very minimal Blur skin, I don't really see the need to root this device right away. Plus, you really can't do everything you'd want to do without an unlockable bootloader. So I agree, the Developer Edition is the way to go if you want to ultimately fiddle with things at some point down the road. May have to pick one up at some point.
Couldn't agree more on Sammy missing the boat. The SG3 Mini would have won me over too if they hadn't watered it down. Maybe we'll see a slightly improved device ending up on VZW? I presume it will eventually come to VZW. Does that SoC they're using even support LTE? Who knows. Maybe wishful thinking. I love the M anyway. But it's always nice to have more options to consider.
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With all the personal data on your phone, do you really want to be able to unlock it and obtain root from an app in the Play Store?
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Good point. I don't..
I've definitely made my decision (which was realistically already made, just need to confirm). Let me know if you know anyone looking for a brand new blue SG3.
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Good point. I don't..
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Well plenty of people have done it. Check the forums over there. There are other applications that can do it for u on your own pc if u wanted too. Just saying it's available now. Plus doesn't rooting your phone technically make it a little less secure anyway? That's what blizzards authenticator has lead me to believe Haha. But the point was a locked bootloader isn't end of the line.
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Well, it's been fun. The RAZR HD, unlocked bootloader, has been a joy. But, it was time to move on. Not only do I give up my unlocked phone, I also had to give up my unlimited data. But, with Verizon, unlimited data customers can get the 6gb max plan for $30/month, and I never really went over 6 gb but maybe once or twice in the last 2+ years that I had unlimited 4g data.
So, now I'm off to the land of LG with my LG3, which is kind of ironic as an LG Vortex was my first smartphone, so in some respects, I've come full circle.
My lineage of phones was LG Vortex (free on Thanksgiving day but BOY was it slow - it was a budget Android), Droid X2, Droid RAZR MAXX HD, Droid RAZR HD and now the LG G3.
With the XT926 unlocked (for most), this is still a good phone to have and with the recent Lollipop CM12 releases, you know the dev community is hard at work for this phone still, so enjoy. The LG G3 (for the US) doesn't have an official LP yet, but CM12 has been released for it.
Ciao and I'll probably drop in from time to time to still lend assistance for those that are having issues.
Have fun with the phone. I've enjoyed my M8 since I've had it. Hopefully, we'll still see you around here from time to time.
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Same here. I had an upgrade available the week of Thanksgiving so I dropped my MAXX HD for the $1 deal on the Galaxy S5. I will say the S5 is lightning fast compared to the MAXX.
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Same here. I had an upgrade available the week of Thanksgiving so I dropped my MAXX HD for the $1 deal on the Galaxy S5. I will say the S5 is lightning fast compared to the MAXX.
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Any word on a BL unlock yet? Had one for a couple months. Even with root, I couldn't make TW bearable enough to use anymore. Sold it and tried the turbo for 14 days but wasnt a fan of the ballistic nylon. This phone might be lacking in processor and ram but its still one of my favorite phones.
No word on an unlocked bootloader yet. There are several online petitions to try and get it. One can only hope.
I personally think we will see more and more locked bootloaders on Verizon phones so they can push the developer editions. More money in Big Red's pockets.
Good luck with the new device bud. I remember you from the DX2 days.
I'm stuck wishing the Turbo was unlockable, or the Nexus 6 was smaller, so I'm sticking with ye olde Vanquish for now.
Weird how everyone (or so it seems) is jumping ship lately.
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Weird how everyone (or so it seems) is jumping ship lately.
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I still have my Razr M, but I sacrificed my unlocked HD for my M8. I just wanted a flagship device, that's why I stepped up.
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three west said:
Good luck with the new device bud. I remember you from the DX2 days.
I'm stuck wishing the Turbo was unlockable, or the Nexus 6 was smaller, so I'm sticking with ye olde Vanquish for now.
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It's hard to forget that face. Lol. Good luck sir, enjoy!
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Well, it's been fun. The RAZR HD, unlocked bootloader, has been a joy. But, it was time to move on. Not only do I give up my unlocked phone, I also had to give up my unlimited data. But, with Verizon, unlimited data customers can get the 6gb max plan for $30/month, and I never really went over 6 gb but maybe once or twice in the last 2+ years that I had unlimited 4g data.
So, now I'm off to the land of LG with my LG3, which is kind of ironic as an LG Vortex was my first smartphone, so in some respects, I've come full circle.
My lineage of phones was LG Vortex (free on Thanksgiving day but BOY was it slow - it was a budget Android), Droid X2, Droid RAZR MAXX HD, Droid RAZR HD and now the LG G3.
With the XT926 unlocked (for most), this is still a good phone to have and with the recent Lollipop CM12 releases, you know the dev community is hard at work for this phone still, so enjoy. The LG G3 (for the US) doesn't have an official LP yet, but CM12 has been released for it.
Ciao and I'll probably drop in from time to time to still lend assistance for those that are having issues.
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'Sup bro.
Funny how I have been thinking of making the same exact jump recently. How do you like the phone?
Just to clarify, the LG is still on 4.4.x, is rootable, and is unlockable? I've learned that I cannot live without my Xposed Framework mods, thus need those three requirements in any phone I decide to go with (well, at least root and 4.4.x, the unlocking is a nice added bonus to flash custom ROMs from time to time). Turbo - out. Nexus 6 - out. G3 seems to be the only logical option, other than the M8 possibly, but I just can't get over the nasty casing on the M8...
I'll be spending the 600 bones full price to keep my unlimited data. Using over 20GB a month every month I'll make back the cost in no time, lol.
...looks like I'll be seeing you soon over in the LG forums now.
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Have fun with the phone. I've enjoyed my M8 since I've had it. Hopefully, we'll still see you around here from time to time.
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Definitely. Still like to see how everyone else is doing and lend a helping hand where possible.
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Good luck with the new device bud. I remember you from the DX2 days.
I'm stuck wishing the Turbo was unlockable, or the Nexus 6 was smaller, so I'm sticking with ye olde Vanquish for now.
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Oh, I remember those days. Remember Milton and the infamous "I have code to unlock the bootloader from a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy...". That went viral!
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Weird how everyone (or so it seems) is jumping ship lately.
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It's not like I wanted to, but it was time to move on. The HD, as great as it is with an unlocked bootloader, was getting long in the tooth. Plus, mine was beginning to act up.
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'Sup bro.
Funny how I have been thinking of making the same exact jump recently. How do you like the phone?
Just to clarify, the LG is still on 4.4.x, is rootable, and is unlockable? I've learned that I cannot live without my Xposed Framework mods, thus need those three requirements in any phone I decide to go with (well, at least root and 4.4.x, the unlocking is a nice added bonus to flash custom ROMs from time to time). Turbo - out. Nexus 6 - out. G3 seems to be the only logical option, other than the M8 possibly, but I just can't get over the nasty casing on the M8...
I'll be spending the 600 bones full price to keep my unlimited data. Using over 20GB a month every month I'll make back the cost in no time, lol.
...looks like I'll be seeing you soon over in the LG forums now.
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The phone for me is great. It's big, but it doesn't feel too big. My one gripe with it is it feels slippery due to the back. But, it feels lighter and so much thinner than the HD. Battery life is pretty good for me as well.
Yes, it's still on 4.4.2, but it has all the 4.4.4 security patches (like the HD). It is rootable up to version 10b. Beyond that, you have to downgrade it back to 10b, which you can do unlike the Razr HD. Once it's rooted via the Stump exploit, you can then get what is called a "bumped" version of TWRP which will then allow you to flash custom ROMs that are "bumped". Basically, it "fools" the phone into thinking what you are flashing is indeed official. So, we have CM11 (official), CM12 (unofficial), BlissPop and many other custom ROMs. But, I'm pretty much happy with this phone out of the box as it is, so I only root it so I can enable writing to the external SD card as well as use TiBu to backup and restore my apps, plus run Greenify just to eek out a little more battery life. But, battery life is definitely better than the RazrHD.
The difference in the screens between the HD and the G3 are night and day. I mean, we have a better pixel density than your 1080p HD TVs! Some may say you can't see the difference, but when I watch movies on my phone, wow. I can see the difference between what the Razr HD had and what this one has. Plus, the 5.5" screen is awesome.
I love the Knock feature, where you can set a "tap" pattern to unlock the phone, even when the screen is off. So, no need to turn on the screen first to unlock it. Just "knock" your pattern and then the screen comes on. Also, if you forget you pattern, fear not. When you set up the knock pattern, it will ask you for a PIN number as a fail safe measure, so if after 10 tries, you don't get the knock pattern correct, it will then ask for your PIN number. I haven't had it fail on me. I love it.
There's so much more, but I don't want to go into G3 love in the HD forums. Suffice it say, yes, I'm VERY happy with it. I might have to say this is the best Android phone I've had yet.
Just in case you have any questions, let me point you to this FAQ which has a lot of excellent information which is what I read and made sure that this phone was rootable and had custom ROMs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/help/help-thread-lg-g3-question-t2947298
Also, there are two sets of forums for this phone. One is for the general G3 populace. There is another one specific to the Verizon model (VS985):
General G3: http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3
Verizon G3: http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3
Also, here is an excellent article that compares the G3 to the Samsung S5:
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/galaxy-s5-vs-lg-g3/
See you over there if you get the G3.
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It's not like I wanted to, but it was time to move on. The HD, as great as it is with an unlocked bootloader, was getting long in the tooth. Plus, mine was beginning to act up.
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On the plus side, you can now read your emails and surf faster. Is Bluetooth faster? I bet benchmarks are out of this world. Do Mp3s sound crisper?
Sorry, I was being sarcastic. Long in the tooth. For what? Acting up? Perhaps, or perhaps you dropped it one too many times to get that shiny new LG
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On the plus side, you can now read your emails and surf faster. Is Bluetooth faster? I bet benchmarks are out of this world. Do Mp3s sound crisper?
Sorry, I was being sarcastic. Long in the tooth. For what? Acting up? Perhaps, or perhaps you dropped it one too many times to get that shiny new LG
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Nah, didn't drop it. It seemed like the radio was going bad. Kept losing signal. I replaced the SIM card and that seemed to help for a bit, but then it started acting up again. Since I use this as a personal plus on-call phone for work, I needed to get one that was reliable. Yes, the HD was reliable, until the radio went bad.
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Nah, didn't drop it. It seemed like the radio was going bad. Kept losing signal. I replaced the SIM card and that seemed to help for a bit, but then it started acting up again. Since I use this as a personal plus on-call phone for work, I needed to get one that was reliable. Yes, the HD was reliable, until the radio went bad.
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I personally think Verizon ruined a perfectly good device and will continue to do so in the future. Glad you enjoy your new toy, I'm sure I would too except that my wife has clearly stated I need to stick with this one for quite some time On the plus side, I get her Xperia T to play with so it's not all bad for 'ol seedub...
EDIT: And the fact that it's Google-ish (the HD) means a good upgrade path future-wise. It's always been my argument when people ask me why I don't run with Samsung or the other guys. Personally, I think Samsung is garbage, I was on a tour of their factory while I was in Korea, it's all cool and stuff but they always feel cheap and knock-off to me. Was hoping Rogers would get a Turbo in, I'd switch to that but they only got the Moto G LTE and one other G-like model.
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I personally think Verizon ruined a perfectly good device and will continue to do so in the future. Glad you enjoy your new toy, I'm sure I would too except that my wife has clearly stated I need to stick with this one for quite some time On the plus side, I get her Xperia T to play with so it's not all bad for 'ol seedub...
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That's what my wife said when I got the HD, that I was never going to upgrade again. Well, once she couldn't text or call me when she needed something that was an "emergency", that changed her tune real quick!
I hated moving away from the HD (due to the unlocked bootloader) and having to lose my unlimited data plan, but once I found out about the 6gb plan, I decided that was fine. I rarely went over 6gb, so to me, it wasn't much of a loss and I got an excellent phone out of the deal for a great price. Still wish I would have upgrade during Thanksgiving/Black Friday when the red one was free. Oh well. I like black better any ways.
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That's what my wife said when I got the HD, that I was never going to upgrade again. Well, once she couldn't text or call me when she needed something that was an "emergency", that changed her tune real quick!
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It fills me with hope to see how universal wives are. Lets me know that it's not just *me*
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It fills me with hope to see how universal wives are. Lets me know that it's not just *me*
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Good thing they don't read these forums then. You and I would be in some deep crap! :highfive:
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Good thing they don't read these forums then. You and I would be in some deep crap! :highfive:
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I am sending anonymous emails to all wives on the planet at this moment. LOL
...second thought, I'll give you both a pass due to your more than helpful post above about the G3, links, etc.
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...or perhaps you dropped it one too many times to get that shiny new LG
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I'm about to "accidentally" drop mine out the closed window across the room just to get ANY different phone, lol. "They" really ruined a good thing with these HDs. Should have put more effort into the KK build, not just threw something together as a PR gag ("look, we updated an old model phone. We have great customer service. Blah blah blah.").
im waiting for the nexus 6 to come to Verizon then i getting it but i will be keeping my hd for playing