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Is there any reason to use the DX over the DINC?

I have both. I love my Incredible, I like this phone except that I want new ROMs for it (Vanilla!) and to be able to upgrade the kernel, etc
Is this ever going to be possible on this phone? I've heard the rumors that it's not ever really going to take off in development.
Hardware wise, this phone is perfect, IMO. But not being able to dink with it like I do my DINC is a MAJOR drawback. I hate blur (sense is by far the best OEM UI - the samsung one is the worst by a longshot), but can live with some aspects of it. Let me use an ASOP rom, for the love of god!
I'm used to SkyRaider, Virtuous, Cyanogen, etc as options but this one has "Froyo and Deodexed" as the only real option. Perhaps when the official 2.2 is out? I just don't want to waste my time with it if I'm going to just never be able to customize it the way I want.

If you have a inc wait for the next gen large moto phone to come out. I love this phone but unless u have a eris or a d1 I wouldnt say its worth almost 600 bucks to get, especially when u allready have a inc in hand.
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I'm sorta in a similar boat. I got an incredible a few weeks back and although I like the device, I have my issues. I initiated an exchange yesterday and just waiting on the x to arrive.
You seem to be attached to custom roms which the incredible is a safer bet with. The X doesn't have much yet and you'd be gambling on them arriving. And if you're not getting an upgrade cost then I doubt it makes sense. The X isn't a huge upgrade imo.

johantheolive said:
I'm sorta in a similar boat. I got an incredible a few weeks back and although I like the device, I have my issues. I initiated an exchange yesterday and just waiting on the x to arrive.
You seem to be attached to custom roms which the incredible is a safer bet with. The X doesn't have much yet and you'd be gambling on them arriving. And if you're not getting an upgrade cost then I doubt it makes sense. The X isn't a huge upgrade imo.
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Cost isn't a factor, I just really want something I can force to do my bidding. Im not switching phones, I can obtain any phone I like (literally the only perk of my job), but I don't want to switch all my crap over to this phone if there will be non-existent dev support for it

With the droid x rooted, and ota froyo just around the corner, you can lighten it enough to do just what you want. The platform is useable enough without having to dink with it too much. A vanilla rom is bound to show up, with as quick as the community is moving these days. A locked bootloader is rather inconsequential anymore.

Buyers remorse?

The Droid 2 is my first smartphone when it comes to android and such. I bought it in October and ever since I heard about rooting/kernels/ROMs I have really been wandering about my purchase. Looking at the incredible I heard there was so much more available to them and I really began wandering even more. So I was hoping I could get some of you to confirm my purchase was in fact a good one. Especially since even with the locked bootloader I can still do most of what I want to do that people with an unlocked bootloader can do.

the droid 2 i believe is just about technologically the same as the dinc, 1GHz processor, slightly faster gpu, same amount of RAM, but the droid 2 has a keyboard
also, if you look through the development thread for the D2, there are several roms available, and you can overclock the processor like you can with most android handsets, so you really arent missing out on much when it comes to modding the droid 2

I agree and think the Droid 2 is slightly better for various reasons. It is also my first Android smart phone.
I think unlike older droids (D1) the Droid 2 doesn't really need the speed increase an overclock can provide and ROMs don't need to change much because the devices have included more things we like.
This is kind of a parallel to the Xbox modding from the original to the 360. The original couldn't store games or connect with certain devices so people learned how to mod them (software or otherwise) and they became more usable to the user because they could now store more on the hard drive and be able to upgrade the Hard drive for more storage space. All of these things are included in the 360 which can still be modded (with difficulty and sometimes dire consequences) but it doesn't really need to because a lot of the functionality gained by modding the first xbox is already available on the new one.

Coming from the Eris... yes, I absolutely regret getting this locked bootloader crap phone. A little more research before I bought would've been a good thing. Still would have been hard to pass up buy 1 referb for 50$ and get a 2nd free though.

mordant80 said:
Coming from the Eris... yes, I absolutely regret getting this locked bootloader crap phone. A little more research before I bought would've been a good thing. Still would have been hard to pass up buy 1 referb for 50$ and get a 2nd free though.
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Well I thank you for a response even if it was somewhat vague. What bothers you about the locked bootloader? We still have plenty of rom's. Can still overclock. Can still make backups. So instead of just saying the locked bootloader suxor, explain what makes you want a phone with an unlocked bootloader.
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I used to swap roms all the time. Now when you swap roms to one made by another developer its recomended you sbf first. I could get by with never plugging the eris in to a pc. I could run different kernels on whatever rom which was very nice. I really miss cyanogenmod and the lock screen gestures. There's a ton more activity in eris dev and a ton more roms to play with. Hell, already got 3 gingerbread roms out for the eris. The locked bootloader has really limited this phone. The only thing it has over the eris is more mem and its faster. Keyboards nice too I guess. Id be sooo much happier with another htc though.

If you care so much about the development on a phone, then you shouldn't really get a phone, seriously, that's not what phones are for. The rom selection for the droid 2 is just fine and you can already do everything on it that you can for most other phones, minus gingerbread. You should be glad that development isn't like what it is on the droid 2 global, with only one usable rom that hasn't been updated in over a month.
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youre right, I shouldnt have a phone. Thought this was a developer forum, my bad

Im not saying development is bad, im just saying that if you bought a phone for the development being made on the phone then its obvious your priorities aren't straight, im bummed that there isn't much development for the d2g, but so long as I can talk and text and do other things just fine on the phone and it last me a minimum of 1 day while doing it, then I have no complaints.
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I hate to say it, but if you were that into ROM develepment, why did you make the jump after finding out about the locked bootloader in the first place? I had the Droid Pro before the D2 and then the Sammy Fascinate before that and the D1 prior to that. The D1 obviously had a lot of activity in the ROM department and was fun to play with, but I eventually got tired of changing the ROM so many times so once I found a good Kernel/ROM combo I never swapped again for the rest of the time I had the phone. When I made the switch to the Fascinate the weak reception forced me to get another phone and the DPro just came out so I made that switch and was happy for a while but couldn't handle the complete lack of development and the Blur was killing me. After reading about a ROM that looked good for me (Fission) I found someone willing to trade their D2 for my DPro and I'm absolutely loving this phone. Its everything I wanted, and I now have a phone I feel I can keep for the remainder of my contract and be happy with.
No remorse with the D2 for me.?
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If you care so much about the development on a phone, then you shouldn't really get a phone, seriously, that's not what phones are for. The rom selection for the droid 2 is just fine and you can already do everything on it that you can for most other phones, minus gingerbread. You should be glad that development isn't like what it is on the droid 2 global, with only one usable rom that hasn't been updated in over a month.
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I never said that is why I bought the phone. I didn't even know about ROMing until the phone was in my hands for a few weeks. It is not something I find absolutely necessary but it is something nice to have.
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Sorry miketoasty, that rant was not aimed at you but at the former owner of a droid eris. I didn't like how he made such a big deal about the rom development of a phone
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rusty815 said:
Sorry miketoasty, that rant was not aimed at you but at the former owner of a droid eris. I didn't like how he made such a big deal about the rom development of a phone
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Who the hell are you to tell me my priorities aren't straight? ROM development is a big fn deal to me. It's my fn opinion, which i'm fully fn entitled to. Why my opinion and me stating my opinion when asked to clarify would cause you to go on a rant, especially on a fn developors forum, I have no idea. Get off your high horse buddy. If you don't give a crap about development of a phone that's all you. Maybe in the future I'd like to start developing. Never know, I do have a strong linux background. I can tell you one thing though... it's not going to be on this phone.

bwhite757 said:
I hate to say it, but if you were that into ROM develepment, why did you make the jump after finding out about the locked bootloader in the first place? I had the Droid Pro before the D2 and then the Sammy Fascinate before that and the D1 prior to that. The D1 obviously had a lot of activity in the ROM department and was fun to play with, but I eventually got tired of changing the ROM so many times so once I found a good Kernel/ROM combo I never swapped again for the rest of the time I had the phone. When I made the switch to the Fascinate the weak reception forced me to get another phone and the DPro just came out so I made that switch and was happy for a while but couldn't handle the complete lack of development and the Blur was killing me. After reading about a ROM that looked good for me (Fission) I found someone willing to trade their D2 for my DPro and I'm absolutely loving this phone. Its everything I wanted, and I now have a phone I feel I can keep for the remainder of my contract and be happy with.
No remorse with the D2 for me.?
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I didn't find out about the bootloader being locked until after I made the jump.. see, I got two droid 2's for $50 total from verizon and my fiance needed a new phone... so.. I'm now the owner of a phone with a locked bootloader.

mordant80 said:
Who the hell are you to tell me my priorities aren't straight? ROM development is a big fn deal to me. It's my fn opinion, which i'm fully fn entitled to. Why my opinion and me stating my opinion when asked to clarify would cause you to go on a rant, especially on a fn developors forum, I have no idea. Get off your high horse buddy. If you don't give a crap about development of a phone that's all you. Maybe in the future I'd like to start developing. Never know, I do have a strong linux background. I can tell you one thing though... it's not going to be on this phone.
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You do realize that you are coming off as a bit foolish when you act like development on a phone is more important than the function of the phone itself. I don't understand how you can absolutely hate the phone just because it has a locked bootloader, its one of the best pieces of hardware on the market and functions perfectly fine even with the locked bootloader. You think that a locked bootloader stopped devs like ang to make custom roms? It shouldn't even matter. I never said I don't give a crap about development on a phone, im running fission on my phone that I've heavily modified, heck I used to be a kernel developer for a linux distro called auroraOS, go check out their website, you'll see a familiar name on their dev list. Now please don't pollute the droid 2 forums with such hateful comments about the device, most of us here love our phones.
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You do realize that you are coming off as a bit foolish when you act like development on a phone is more important than the function of the phone itself. I don't understand how you can absolutely hate the phone just because it has a locked bootloader, its one of the best pieces of hardware on the market and functions perfectly fine even with the locked bootloader. You think that a locked bootloader stopped devs like ang to make custom roms? It shouldn't even matter. I never said I don't give a crap about development on a phone, im running fission on my phone that I've heavily modified, heck I used to be a kernel developer for a linux distro called auroraOS, go check out their website, you'll see a familiar name on their dev list. Now please don't pollute the droid 2 forums with such hateful comments about the device, most of us here love our phones.
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I stated my opinion of the phone. You're the one taking it personally and going off on a rant on me. Attacking me directly saying my priorities aren't straight. Did I say the people who own these phones suck? No, I said the phone sucks in my opinion and I regret getting one for myself. That's how I feel, end of story... sorry that got you sooo butt hurt. I respected your opinion of the phone, now respect mine.

rusty815 said:
You do realize that you are coming off as a bit foolish when you act like development on a phone is more important than the function of the phone itself. I don't understand how you can absolutely hate the phone just because it has a locked bootloader, its one of the best pieces of hardware on the market and functions perfectly fine even with the locked bootloader. You think that a locked bootloader stopped devs like ang to make custom roms? It shouldn't even matter. I never said I don't give a crap about development on a phone, im running fission on my phone that I've heavily modified, heck I used to be a kernel developer for a linux distro called auroraOS, go check out their website, you'll see a familiar name on their dev list. Now please don't pollute the droid 2 forums with such hateful comments about the device, most of us here love our phones.
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You do realize you come off a bit foolish stressing how unimportant development and modding is on a DEVELOPMENT AND MODDING forum. Especially when you come back talking about how much you've modded your phone AFTER saying that as long as you can talk and text you don't care, because it's a phone.
Agree with you on the locked bootloader being a non-issue for the most part. Of course, were it not for the locked bootloader, we would probably already have full gingerbread roms for this phone.
3 of my co-workers have dinc's. I much prefer my droid2.

I didn't say that you said people who own the phone suck, I just said that I believe you're reason for greatly disliking the phone is pretty foolish, especially since it can be worked around. Once a gingeebread rom leaks for our phones im sure that the locked bootloader wont even be relevant anymore.
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I didn't say that you said people who own the phone suck, I just said that I believe you're reason for greatly disliking the phone is pretty foolish, especially since it can be worked around. Once a gingeebread rom leaks for our phones im sure that the locked bootloader wont even be relevant anymore.
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You'd think I did as personally as you took it. The locked bootloader is relevant to me. If it's not relevant to you, fine. I'm glad you love your phone, enjoy it. I happen to not like mine.

Alright well this has gotten a little out of control. I basically got my opinion down so if a mod wants to close this thread I think that would be best as the bootloader is locked and there is nothing any of us here can do about it.

[Q] Having a hard time decideing

I'm going to be getting my upgrade soon and I love the droid X, only downside is 4g and dual core processor. So I was going to upgrade to obviously the new 4g phones but having a hard time deciding which should I get?
I was thinking thunderbolt because of the Virus Rom which includes beats audio (so no need for the rezound) or the motorla razr maxx. I love the motorola look more than the HTC sense look but at the same time I love my music. So Any help from you forum?

I'm in the same bag.
I'll be getting an upgrade in March...
And the three reps I've talked to all said "4G devices" or "New devices" can't be pushed for an early upgrade...so it looks like March 15th for me =/
Anyway...
Thunderbolt?
I've heard nothing but bad about battery life...and general stability.
Razr Maxx?
Great hardware...
But do you really want to deal with the locked bootloader again?
That being said...the extra battery life may be worth it to you...I don't know your priorities on picking a phone.
Me:
I'm going with the Galaxy Nexus.
Updates directly from Google...meaning Jelly Bean. Klondike. Lemon Drop (or whatever these builds will be called) will be on my device officially...as long as hardware supports them.
Also...have you creeped the GNex forums?
Roms.
Roms.
Roms.
Kernels.
Kernels.
Kernels.
I could go flash happy on a daily basis and not run out of new things for a couple months!
The one thing that worries me is the Radio...my house will be fine, I'm sure...
But at work; where I already get crap reception...I might not be.
Rezound is also a top contender.
Unlockable bootloader...
HTC makes decent devices.
And a growing dev community.
Ultimately...
The choice is yours.
But I'd stray against Moto or the Tbolt...simply because I enjoy custom roms more than anything in my phones...and the Tbolt isn't even dual core (as you said the X is missing).

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Oh I thought the tbolt was dual core lol. Nah I don't wanna deal with locked bootloader bleh. And I'll take a deeper look at the Nexus. I mean I love motorola (except for the locked bl) and I also like my music . But thank you very much. Your post was was really helpful. Im checking the nexus page out now And I thanked you

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I also like my music .
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Have you personally used a "beats" certified phone or device? It would be something to seriously check out, as I personally don't think it's a drastic difference, or even noticeable and I'm a fairly big music snob.

I have not personsally, Ive tried the headphones at best buy and I noticed some different compared to my sony headphones. I mean I wouldnt mind getting any phone that has many roms that I can flash from (since im a flashaholic) and I mean if i can put DSP Manager on the phone and make it sound like Beats audio then ill just get another motorola phone or something. Still kinda hard to choose even after looking at the nexus :/

Need your thoughts & opinions...

A little background first. VZW is my only option due to my line being a corporate line. Roughly a year and a half ago, I got fed up with the crappy phone choices (only blackberry at the time), so I just started buying my own and calling the 3rd party service that runs our wireless operations and telling them "I just got a new phone, could you please do an ESN swap?". That has always worked. Recently, the phone choices have gotten much better and include a variety of BB, Android and iOS devices now. Over the last few years I've gone from DINC (personal device I had since it first came out) to blackberry to DINC2 to iPhone4 to currently the Razr M. Now with SIM cards it's super easy for me to use whatever device I prefer.
Here's my current "dilemma". I have a retail Razr M (which I picked up shortly after release). Definitely loving this phone and couldn't be more happy to be back on Android after a brief hiatus to iOS. Had to give it try. Big believer in "you can't bash something without trying it". But damn iOS gets boring fast. Ha! I was excited about the M due to it's smaller footprint AND high end internals. The only thing I don't like is the locked bootloader. I was quite the crack flasher with my DINC and DINC2. The locked bootloader has led me to have interest in the S3. But I've always had an aversion to large screen phones. I like to be able operate my phone one handed. So now I have a brand new S3 sitting on my desk and I'm unsure what to do with it. I'm really enjoying my M and Jelly Bean is (almost officially) here. But I'm very interested in some CM10 or AOKP. I definitely prefer the AOSP stuff.
So the question is, do I continue my "don't bash it without trying it" theory and move over to the S3 for some AOSP love??? Or stick with the M and live with whatever fate that lies ahead?? I can only keep one. Will sell the other.
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hokieputter said:
A little background first. VZW is my only option due to my line being a corporate line. Roughly a year and a half ago, I got fed up with the crappy phone choices (only blackberry at the time), so I just started buying my own and calling the 3rd party service that runs our wireless operations and telling them "I just got a new phone, could you please do an ESN swap?". That has always worked. Recently, the phone choices have gotten much better and include a variety of BB, Android and iOS devices now. Over the last few years I've gone from DINC (personal device I had since it first came out) to blackberry to DINC2 to iPhone4 to currently the Razr M. Now with SIM cards it's super easy for me to use whatever device I prefer.
Here's my current "dilemma". I have a retail Razr M (which I picked up shortly after release). Definitely loving this phone and couldn't be more happy to be back on Android after a brief hiatus to iOS. Had to give it try. Big believer in "you can't bash something without trying it". But damn iOS gets boring fast. Ha! I was excited about the M due to it's smaller footprint AND high end internals. The only thing I don't like is the locked bootloader. I was quite the crack flasher with my DINC and DINC2. The locked bootloader has led me to have interest in the S3. But I've always had an aversion to large screen phones. I like to be able operate my phone one handed. So now I have a brand new S3 sitting on my desk and I'm unsure what to do with it. I'm really enjoying my M and Jelly Bean is (almost officially) here. But I'm very interested in some CM10 or AOKP. I definitely prefer the AOSP stuff.
So the question is, do I continue my "don't bash it without trying it" theory and move over to the S3 for some AOSP love??? Or stick with the M and live with whatever fate that lies ahead?? I can only keep one. Will sell the other.
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I'd say stick with the phone you like better. Yesterday I was analyzing what I'm missing without root (I'm on team EOS 3.0 on my Xoom) and I couldn't really come up with much. One of the biggest pluses: WiFi tethering, now can be done with any app on verizon because of that lawsuit. Other than that, TiBu is a loss, and maybe some OCing and performance but I mean I loaded up the phone and its still buttery smooth with good battery. Definitely the interface modding and some fun bells and whistles are missing without custom rom but it doesn't really add up to much.
The s3 is gigantic and more expensive. I'm happy with my choice.
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Unfortunately, the two phones you've chosen represent opposite ends of the "experience spectrum" - so personal preference is going to play a big part. The only real thing the S3 has over the M that's not subjective is a better camera, and 2gb of ram vs. 1. The rest will depend on your preferences. Yes, the S3 will have more dev support. But the M won't be without it, either - root should be closer, though not guaranteed, based on a comment by P3 last night - but obviously rooting and romming are not always correlated.

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I'd say stick with the phone you like better. Yesterday I was analyzing what I'm missing without root (I'm on team EOS 3.0 on my Xoom) and I couldn't really come up with much. One of the biggest pluses: WiFi tethering, now can be done with any app on verizon because of that lawsuit. Other than that, TiBu is a loss, and maybe some OCing and performance but I mean I loaded up the phone and its still buttery smooth with good battery. Definitely the interface modding and some fun bells and whistles are missing without custom rom but it doesn't really add up to much.
The s3 is gigantic and more expensive. I'm happy with my choice.
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I agree the S3 is gigantic. I also was trying to come up with things I miss by not having root and couldn't really come up with much that seemed overly important. All were smaller bells and whistles type things. Blur on this phone is very minimal, which I like and is a big plus (for me). I'm really enjoying the M. And love the size. I too am having a smooth experience with pretty solid battery life. No issues whatsoever thus far. Best bet is to probably stick with the M. I got a good deal on the S3 and should have no trouble getting back what I paid, maybe more.
Plus, I've been wanting a Nexus 7...

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Unfortunately, the two phones you've chosen represent opposite ends of the "experience spectrum" - so personal preference is going to play a big part. The only real thing the S3 has over the M that's not subjective is a better camera, and 2gb of ram vs. 1. The rest will depend on your preferences. Yes, the S3 will have more dev support. But the M won't be without it, either - root should be closer, though not guaranteed, based on a comment by P3 last night - but obviously rooting and romming are not always correlated.
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Yes, they are definitely very different experiences. My preference has always been for smaller, easily pocketable phones. Which exactly describes the M. I don't need/want a tablet in my pocket.
I agree about the camera, but overall the M hasn't really let me down. Sure it would be nice to have a better camera, but it's not a deal breaker for me. You just have to know the limitations that you're working with. And the extra ram would be nice too. But not sure either are worth giving up the form factor that I prefer.
And I have been following the dev support of the M closely as well. I saw the comments by P3 and his team. They are very promising. And definitely helping to influence my ultimate decision. Honestly, I don't really need (or want) to be able to flash billions of roms. Just looking for a (close to) stock experience that is snappy, fully functional and bug free. Which is what I've got right now with the M. Still running the stock ICS, have not updated to the JB leak.
(I think I'm confirming my gut feelings / answering my own questions as this thread moves along... Thanks for the dialogue)

The simplest choice would seem to be ordering a Developer Edition RAZR M. If you really like the M but want the ability to fiddle, that's your route. There are already recovery and root images available for it and I think the devs will be supporting it for a while especially since the RAZR HD and HD MAXX are also running the same internals.
As for the SGSIII - Verizon is the only carrier that doesn't sell it with an unlocked bootloader so technically you'd need to buy the developer edition of that to get what you want anyway.
Neither the RAZR M nor the SGSIII Dev Editions are available via Verizon subsidized contracts.
Personally I think Sammy missed the boat. If the SGSIII Mini did what the RAZR did (same internals with smaller screen) they might have won me over, but they really skimped on the thing. What a shame.
Just my $.02.
I'm a runner and a cyclist, so the smaller the better which is why I loved my Atrix 4G (which is now running JB). The RAZR M is a narrower phone with a bigger screen. It's great to simply stow and go.

Well, now that the M has root, I think your decision is a lot easier. I would say that seeing CM9 and/or 10 is a likely bet. However, the problem now is that anything after that may not run optimally, since the bootloader is still locked and we won't be able to run a kernel optimized for the newest version. That's the problem with my Pro. Somebody ported CM9 and an AOKP ICS ROM for it, and while it does run, it's not as good as it could be. We're still stuck on the Gingerbread kernel.

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Well, now that the M has root, I think your decision is a lot easier. I would say that seeing CM9 and/or 10 is a likely bet. However, the problem now is that anything after that may not run optimally, since the bootloader is still locked and we won't be able to run a kernel optimized for the newest version. That's the problem with my Pro. Somebody ported CM9 and an AOKP ICS ROM for it, and while it does run, it's not as good as it could be. We're still stuck on the Gingerbread kernel.
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I'm really hoping we can bust the M open over the next year or so =/
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The simplest choice would seem to be ordering a Developer Edition RAZR M. If you really like the M but want the ability to fiddle, that's your route. There are already recovery and root images available for it and I think the devs will be supporting it for a while especially since the RAZR HD and HD MAXX are also running the same internals.
As for the SGSIII - Verizon is the only carrier that doesn't sell it with an unlocked bootloader so technically you'd need to buy the developer edition of that to get what you want anyway.
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Verizon's bootloader can be unlocked with a single app from the play store. Super easy. The development on the S3 phone has been amazing thus far - currently on Liquid Smooth. I'm also considering switching to a smaller phone however and the M seems to be the only phone that's small with power. Following rooting and modding very closely on this phone before making the switch as I have gotten used to all the aokp+CM10 mods in the many S3 roms I've flashed.
You make an excellent point about the Razr HD and HD Maxx, I hope that helps this phone in the mod scene.

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Verizon's bootloader can be unlocked with a single app from the play store. Super easy.
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That's why I said "technically"
But I do agree it is easier on the SGSIII. Part of that is that HTC and Samsung have not taken the time to build system safeguards into their products the way Motorola has.
Browser vendors take pride in the headaches they cause to hackers trying to find vulnerabilities. Handset manufacturers, IMO, should be thinking the same way. With all the personal data on your phone, do you really want to be able to unlock it and obtain root from an app in the Play Store?
This is one of the reasons I like Motorola devices, despite the very limited flexibility.

mk1151 said:
The simplest choice would seem to be ordering a Developer Edition RAZR M. If you really like the M but want the ability to fiddle, that's your route. There are already recovery and root images available for it and I think the devs will be supporting it for a while especially since the RAZR HD and HD MAXX are also running the same internals.
As for the SGSIII - Verizon is the only carrier that doesn't sell it with an unlocked bootloader so technically you'd need to buy the developer edition of that to get what you want anyway.
Neither the RAZR M nor the SGSIII Dev Editions are available via Verizon subsidized contracts.
Personally I think Sammy missed the boat. If the SGSIII Mini did what the RAZR did (same internals with smaller screen) they might have won me over, but they really skimped on the thing. What a shame.
Just my $.02.
I'm a runner and a cyclist, so the smaller the better which is why I loved my Atrix 4G (which is now running JB). The RAZR M is a narrower phone with a bigger screen. It's great to simply stow and go.
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The M is my first ever Motorola device. It's also my first device running ICS or JB (there were a few of us on here that had issues running ICS on our DINC2s). Spent a little time messing around installing the JB leak and flashing back to stock just to get used to using the stock recovery, fastboot etc. With wifi tether now working on the stock ROM and the ability to disable bloatware in ICS/JB, combined with the very minimal Blur skin, I don't really see the need to root this device right away. Plus, you really can't do everything you'd want to do without an unlockable bootloader. So I agree, the Developer Edition is the way to go if you want to ultimately fiddle with things at some point down the road. May have to pick one up at some point.
Couldn't agree more on Sammy missing the boat. The SG3 Mini would have won me over too if they hadn't watered it down. Maybe we'll see a slightly improved device ending up on VZW? I presume it will eventually come to VZW. Does that SoC they're using even support LTE? Who knows. Maybe wishful thinking. I love the M anyway. But it's always nice to have more options to consider.

mk1151 said:
With all the personal data on your phone, do you really want to be able to unlock it and obtain root from an app in the Play Store?
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Good point. I don't..

I've definitely made my decision (which was realistically already made, just need to confirm). Let me know if you know anyone looking for a brand new blue SG3.

hokieputter said:
Good point. I don't..
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Well plenty of people have done it. Check the forums over there. There are other applications that can do it for u on your own pc if u wanted too. Just saying it's available now. Plus doesn't rooting your phone technically make it a little less secure anyway? That's what blizzards authenticator has lead me to believe Haha. But the point was a locked bootloader isn't end of the line.
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thining about getting the M

i have been eyeing the s3 for a while but have steered away from it due to build quality, and sheer size of the device.
i really like the smaller size of this phone, especially after seeing my girl with it for so long, and how convenient it has been for her. it seems to preform well even stock, as she is very timid towards rooting and romming.
my first question : would you guys suggest this phone?
i currently have a droid x2, and it has been interesting to say the least . i am looking for something dependable (which i know most motorola's are, even the dx2 was) as well as something that can perform. how is performance in your eyes?
one more thing, there is a successful method for unlocking the bootloader in the retail edition from what i have read..... is this the case? if so, do you guys see development for this device growing in the future? or does it seem to be dying down.?
thanks in advance, it seems like a pretty trusty little phone from what ive read.

Lorenzo VonMatterhorn said:
i have been eyeing the s3 for a while but have steered away from it due to build quality, and sheer size of the device.
i really like the smaller size of this phone, especially after seeing my girl with it for so long, and how convenient it has been for her. it seems to preform well even stock, as she is very timid towards rooting and romming.
my first question : would you guys suggest this phone?
i currently have a droid x2, and it has been interesting to say the least . i am looking for something dependable (which i know most motorola's are, even the dx2 was) as well as something that can perform. how is performance in your eyes?
one more thing, there is a successful method for unlocking the bootloader in the retail edition from what i have read..... is this the case? if so, do you guys see development for this device growing in the future? or does it seem to be dying down.?
thanks in advance, it seems like a pretty trusty little phone from what ive read.
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yes you can unlock the bootloader, and development has been growing on this phone sense the unlock. i like my m it preforms well and the battery life is great.

Definitely recommended. Best android phone I've had yet
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Agreed, the RAZR M ticks all my boxes. Has been an amazing phone love it.
Performance wise, its great. And there is a kernel to get it to 1998 MHz if you root. Development has just kept growing really as stated before.

ShadowRAZR said:
Agreed, the RAZR M ticks all my boxes. Has been an amazing phone love it.
Performance wise, its great. And there is a kernel to get it to 1998 MHz if you root. Development has just kept growing really as stated before.
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I still love the phone even if it were stock (which its not) and I ALWAYS long for an upgrade 6 months after getting a phone.I have NO desire to replace it. The size is perfect, build quality outstanding, battery life great, performance good, it has almost the latest OS which for an android phone that's not a nexus is about as good as it gets. The one reservation I had about it and all Motorola phones was the locked bootloader but with that cracked and AOSP CM10.1 (4.2.2) I'm in love!. I just bought my wife a Titanium (Best Buy only) M in like new (no evidence of use) condition with case and sd card off eBay for $250 and honestly I want hers too lol. Got mine in the same condition in white off of eBay as well but for $350 which then was a great price for a like new M.
The one drawback is the smallish partion for apps on the internal SD card and as far as I can tell no easy or reliable apps to SD (I did it with one app which one day borked, wiped and destroyed my micro sd). This kind of kills this phone if your a mega gamer (mulitple games with 500+mb data will quickly wipe out internal space).

there is a bootloader unlock on this now. which makes it even more exciting, and maybe will produce that much more development.
i think it is an all around great phone from all of the research ive done. i just want to make sure the same X2 experience doesnt happen again. lol
another HUGE thing is that this phone is not huge. just when you thought phones would turn into tablets, the razr M comes along. hopefully it starts a trend in making them small again.
thanks for all the responses guys, i will be joioning the ranks in about two weeks. :good:

Lorenzo VonMatterhorn said:
there is a bootloader unlock on this now. which makes it even more exciting, and maybe will produce that much more development.
i think it is an all around great phone from all of the research ive done. i just want to make sure the same X2 experience doesnt happen again. lol
another HUGE thing is that this phone is not huge. just when you thought phones would turn into tablets, the razr M comes along. hopefully it starts a trend in making them small again.
thanks for all the responses guys, i will be joioning the ranks in about two weeks. :good:
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keep in mind that most development is CDMA (VZW) based, but there are "fixes" to make them work on GSM carriers.

jco23 said:
keep in mind that most development is CDMA (VZW) based, but there are "fixes" to make them work on GSM carriers.
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yeah i am vzw. as much as it pains me to say it.

Definitely recommend the M. The battery life for me has been great. I do keep bluetooth and GPS off all the time, but my wife keeps both on and her phone will still go a couple days without charge. i used mine throughout the day, and as well as as a hotspot while storm chasing and it will easily go the whole day for me.

Selectel Wireless
Anyone using this phone on PagePlus, Straight Talk, or Selectel Wireless? I am thinking of ditching my S3 and USCC. Nothing but problems with reception.

This is a midrange device. I cannot recommend it. The only reason I got this is because my nexus shattered when I dropped it. I hate the keyboards lag on this phone, and pretty much lag all around. But I like that it is splashproof...
Other than that, low res screen, no tv-out, weird storage, etc.... good phone for my wife, but she's rockin s4....won't trade
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HonkyTonker said:
Anyone using this phone on PagePlus, Straight Talk, or Selectel Wireless? I am thinking of ditching my S3 and USCC. Nothing but problems with reception.
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i use it on net 10(att simcard), but i know there is a thread about flashing this to page plus you have to stay on ics for it to work if i remember correctly