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I tried S3 and the Note (both with ICS installed) in a store side by side today. Although many people have mentioned that the S3 is faster, I did not notice any difference. (I have tried Note+ICS in different stores. Some devices are faster than the others for unknown reason.) The only time I saw the S3 is faster than the Note is from a youtube video which showed both devices doing the benchmarking. The S3 completed the task faster with higher score.
Anyway, I have decided to buy the Note. We all know that people who have upgraded from GB to ICS have many issues. Has anybody bought a Note with ICS pre-installed? Have you experienced the issues raised by users who upgraded from GB?
I have two choices: 1) buy the Note with GB, wait until Samsung release an updated version of the ICS with bugs fixed. 2) Buy the Note with ICS pre-installed.
I heard that down grading the OS is not possible. If I buy the Note with ICS pre-installed and I have issues raised by other users, can I install the OS made by the talented XDA developers? I heard that even the official ICS has a problem of bricking the device. If I buy the Note+ICS and not satisfied with the performance, will I be stuck?
Your advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Go for GB one. The update is already available so you can always update yourself - and what's more important GB is easy to root so you could run CM9 or any other ROM.
Seems like if I get the Note+ICS and experience problems as others reported, it is difficult to go back because the official ICS can break the device. Even Samsung gave the ICS source code to the talented developers here and a fix may be available soon, it will be too late for me to fix the device because ICS has already been pre-installed. There is no going back. Am I right?
If I decide to root and run CM9 or any other ROM later, can I still install and run Premium Suite? Can I also install the cool stuffs from S3 to the Note with CM9 or any other ROM? Touchwiz seems to be an UI made by Samsung. I heard that it slows down the device. If I root and run CM9 or any other ROM, I can opt for whether or not to install Touchwiz. Right? Won't I void the warranty if I root the device?
You can allways revert back to gingerbread if needed.
About cm9 and touchwiz. Thats a nono. Cm9 is AOSP and uses trebuchet launcher. Touchwiz is samsung own launcher that comes on top of samsung based roms.
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You can allways revert back to gingerbread if needed.
About cm9 and touchwiz. Thats a nono. Cm9 is AOSP and uses trebuchet launcher. Touchwiz is samsung own launcher that comes on top of samsung based roms.
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I am confused. Samsung told me that once upgrade to 4.0, I cannot go back to GB. Could you please clarify? What is AOSP? Is trebuchet better than touchwiz?
There is no way to downgrade to GB with built-in software updater. But you can always flash stock GB rom and revert the device to how it's been before.
AOSP is Android Open Source Project. Basically, CM9 is one of AOSP's iterations. And yes, trebuchet with CM9 is a lot better, smoother and better designed than TouchWiz. Look at CyanogenMod9 videos on youtube.
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There is no way to downgrade to GB with built-in software updater. But you can always flash stock GB rom and revert the device to how it's been before.
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Excuse me, what does "flash the rom" mean in the Android world?
If I have a Note+ICS pre-installed, I can still downgrade to the stock GB by flashing?
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Excuse me, what does "flash the rom" mean in the Android world?
If I have a Note+ICS pre-installed, I can still downgrade to the stock GB by flashing?
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this doesn't explain it fully but its good information for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehXcnqntsro&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Your advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Can I suggest that you get the GB version as it gives the greatest flexibility for rooting and upgrading (as the OTA update is already available).
Can I also suggest that you don't do anything about rooting / flashing until you have read a lot more on this forum. Once you're up to speed, you'll know the risks.
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Hi everyone! I just upgraded to the AT&T version of the Samsung Galaxy S4. Before I had the original Galaxy Note. I've rooted and loaded custom ROM's on all my previous Android devices (Captivate, Inspire 4G, Galaxy S II, and Galaxy Note), but I'm debating on rooting this device. It's running great on the stock ROM.
Has anyone else debated this? If so, did you go ahead and root and loaded a ROM then regret it or were you glad you did it?
You can run it absolutely stock and still be rooted. Rooting gives you the advantage of certain apps that require it, as I'm sure you know, such as Titanium Backup, Root explorer and others. Plus ability to get rid of AT&T apps you never do or never will use. fwiw
Root it! You want regret it. The possibilities are endless. And if you do prefer a stock like rom, well believe me there are GREAT custom stock like roms that these great devs have put together that run flawlessly with added benefits. Hope this helps. Happy Rooting
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even if you plan to keep the stock ROM, its worth it to root so you can uninstall the AT&T bloatware and remove the AT&T splash screen on start-up.
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even if you plan to keep the stock ROM, its worth it to root so you can uninstall the AT&T bloatware and remove the AT&T splash screen on start-up.
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I am on stock with root. I rooted it using Adam's casual only to have TiBu work. I froze all ATT bloats and some google and samsung apps. The stock is very fine for me.
Now I am debating to flash Paranoid rom to try their multiwindow and halo features...
Thanks for all the input everyone, I appreciate it. Knowing me I'll end up rooting it and loading a ROM since I can't leave stuff alone. HA!
Does anyone know if there's a ROM out there that someone has gotten Bluetooth Tethering to work? That's one thing I miss from ICS on my Galaxy Note.
Hey gk
In same boat, been flashing roms hundreds of times for over 3 years from early Nexus One days. Most of the reasons were to get newer OS's without waiting. However, one of the reasons I got the S4 was it already has the latest as in 4.2.2.
One thing I have learned as most of us have is there always seems to be something not 100% on each rom for some folks. Goes with the territory as we know. Although, I have been lucky in that area. Maybe due to lots of reading and proper pre-install wipes. Hats off to all the devs though for their long and tiresome hours giving us these great roms.
My concern, since this is early on with the S4 and no unlocked bootloader, are our chances higher to have issues.
My phone with all it's "gimmicks" is running fast and perfect--NO issues. I also would like TiBu and eventually a custom recovery for nandroids even if I don't flash a custom rom. Used both CWM and TWRP in the past. Also, Amon_Ra. All worked great for me.
But, like you and others will probably root and flash a custom recovery anyway.
Damn Samsung for making this so tough of a decision--
I was in same position lol I've been flashing andneven Ade a few Roms but ya know its cool and all but its a hassel sometimes enough for me to be stock! There's no reason IMO to flash anything this phone is packed to the gills with features already and its on a very new os so I feel like I wanna root and flash away but have found no reason to YET key word there and of course its purely my own standpoint
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Root it! You can get new features before they come to your carrier. ... I debated it and told myself I would stay rooted but run stock rom.... now they figured out ways to bypass the bootloader and flash roms and im back to crack flashing lol. ..
Yup. I thought I wouldn't root this thing. That lasted a week. Then I told myself it's fine the way it is, I don't need to flash a rom. That lasted 3 weeks. I'm not a flashaholic though. I usually pick one and stick with it for a while.
You think it runs fine until you've rommed it and added a kernel. Then you realize you had no idea how fine it could be.
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I wouldn't ever even own a phone that I couldn't root. It just gives you freedom over your phone. Again you don't NEED to run a custom rom to be rooted, but check out some of the TW custom Tom's that just take the phone to another level but still being stock
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Custom toms are bad ass lol I had to say it
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The Mint Jelly Rom battery life is insane ..it's worth rooting for that alone. Definitely root
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I'm more than likely going to root and load a ROM soon. I'm between two different ROMs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2280556
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2305752
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I was a flashaholic on the captivate, and S II. I loved trying new ROMs like Miui and AOKP. But, since I got the Note II and now the S 4 I don't have that desire. My only reason for rooting usually was TiBu, and only from flashing so often. Without flashing a new ROM each week I had little need for restoring apps. After three weeks I finally rooted and started trying ROMs on this phone. It was about the same for my Note. I really like TouchWiz, and miss some of those features on AOSP based ROMs. I don't see the performance need for custom ROMs on either of these phones like I did on the older phones. I guess it just came out of boredom, in the end.
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Well, I finally gave in and rooted--knew I would
Used Adam's Casual--very easy--much more so than my HTC phones
TiBu and Nandriods already in use
Next step roms--
Still haven't rooted yet. I probably will over the weekend. Why can't I leave stuff alone? HA!
Hello,
Seems there are a lot of TW vs AOSP/AOKP/GE threads but what I'm asking is for a custom TW 4.2.2 rom such as Goldeneye, Infamous, etc... vs GE 4.3 what is everyone running as their DD?
After trying a lot of the TW roms with KT Kernel it seems that no matter how fast you make your TW rom, the GE 4.3 Rom just has the increased smoothness mitigating any smidgen of lag. I really want to run GE as my DD but am conflicted of losing TW camera. I know that in the Sprint roms forum someone is working on a port of TW camera but until then what is your thought process?
Is speed/smoothness your #1 feature regardless?
Personally, I'm running Goldeneye 4.0 w/ Ktoonsez Kernel 7/26/13 at the moment
I came from a Galaxy Nexus and always ran AOSP based roms. However, with the S4 I am only using TW roms because I like a lot of the touch wiz features. If there was a way to keep them (such as smart stay/scroll, air view, etc) I would probably go back to AOSP. Though I'll probably end up going back to AOSP when Key Lime Pie comes out because I won't be patient enough to wait for samsung to come out with their 5.0 update.
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I came from a Galaxy Nexus and always ran AOSP based roms. However, with the S4 I am only using TW roms because I like a lot of the touch wiz features. If there was a way to keep them (such as smart stay/scroll, air view, etc) I would probably go back to AOSP. Though I'll probably end up going back to AOSP when Key Lime Pie comes out because I won't be patient enough to wait for samsung to come out with their 5.0 update.
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That is a great point, I think if Key Lime Pie came out and only came out as a GE rom, I would jump ship immediately.
armixia said:
Hello,
Seems there are a lot of TW vs AOSP/AOKP/GE threads but what I'm asking is for a custom TW 4.2.2 rom such as Goldeneye, Infamous, etc... vs GE 4.3 what is everyone running as their DD?
After trying a lot of the TW roms with KT Kernel it seems that no matter how fast you make your TW rom, the GE 4.3 Rom just has the increased smoothness mitigating any smidgen of lag. I really want to run GE as my DD but am conflicted of losing TW camera. I know that in the Sprint roms forum someone is working on a port of TW camera but until then what is your thought process?
Is speed/smoothness your #1 feature regardless?
Personally, I'm running Goldeneye 4.0 w/ Ktoonsez Kernel 7/26/13 at the moment
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That port isnt for the 4.3 GE rom...its for the 4.2.2 GE rom.
4.2.2 GE roms still has touchwiz frakeworks which allows touchwiz applications to be ported and installed. In the 4.3 GE rom, those frameworks no lomger exist....making porting a much harder task as you would nit only need to port the camera but also the required frameworks...something that I dont think has ever been done
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That port isnt for the 4.3 GE rom...its for the 4.2.2 GE rom.
4.2.2 GE roms still has touchwiz frakeworks which allows touchwiz applications to be ported and installed. In the 4.3 GE rom, those frameworks no lomger exist....making porting a much harder task as you would nit only need to port the camera but also the required frameworks...something that I dont think has ever been done
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Definitely agree with that. Sorry should have made it clear that I want some opinions based on never being a TW Camera port on GE roms.
My .02
I've had the S3, Note 2, and now the S4 and always rooted and custom ROMs. I always steered clear of the non TW ROMs for one reason, the camera was sub par. The 4.3 that was ported and recently removed (Per copyright issues) is what I'm on now, and it's hands down the best phone experience I've ever had. It's smooth, stable, simple and blazes the phone! Out of the box, the only change I had to make was to the APN to get AT&T LTE. You simply can't go wrong with this rom, even giving up the fancy schmancy gestures and such..
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I've had the S3, Note 2, and now the S4 and always rooted and custom ROMs. I always steered clear of the non TW ROMs for one reason, the camera was sub par. The 4.3 that was ported and recently removed (Per copyright issues) is what I'm on now, and it's hands down the best phone experience I've ever had. It's smooth, stable, simple and blazes the phone! Out of the box, the only change I had to make was to the APN to get AT&T LTE. You simply can't go wrong with this rom, even giving up the fancy schmancy gestures and such..
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Wow so tempted to flash 4.3 right now.
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mg2195 said:
That port isnt for the 4.3 GE rom...its for the 4.2.2 GE rom.
4.2.2 GE roms still has touchwiz frakeworks which allows touchwiz applications to be ported and installed. In the 4.3 GE rom, those frameworks no lomger exist....making porting a much harder task as you would nit only need to port the camera but also the required frameworks...something that I dont think has ever been done
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Are you sure about this? GE4.3 still has functioning S-View. Wouldn't S-View be dead (Like in CM) if the TW framework was not included?
I am going to be giving my S4 with MDL firmware to my wife. I want her to be able to have a most stable build and no issues. I am considering just flashing back to stock, but I just wanted to make sure I can keep MDL and not flash an upgraded version...or maybe she'd be happier with an updated stock rom, as she really will have no need for custom roms unless it was going to be a perfectly clean,stable interface.
Wondering what opinions anyone might have?
Thank you!
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I would flash the stock firmware root it and then freeze the updater.apk, don't remember the specific name, so you can retain mdl.
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I would definitely suggest hyperdrive ROM. 100 percent stable no bugs. Loads of features snatched from the note 3
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2520418
Thank you for the advice!
I have flashed stock OS firmware file from here:
http://storagecow.eu/Xda/AT&T S4/St...s.com-SGH-I337-ATT-I337UCUAMDL-1367050591.zip
I am running it now and it is very smooth, but it feels a bit antiquated compared to what I used to run on here, and wonder if either there is a more recent firmware version I should be running, or there is a debloated style stock rom that would make more sense to flmeash to update a bunch of things.
For example, messages received just show "message received" in the notification bar. Many roms I've run recently actually show the message coming in and this is just one example of a feature I think she would appreciate.
I am sure there are a bunch of other advancements, but that's just one example.
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Stock is always best for most stable. There are no best ROMs or most stable otherwise.
Glad you got what you needed. Closing this before all the "best ROM opinions" start rolling in.
My S4 got fried. When I got it fixed, I found that it was upgraded to a newer build which has Knox. Therefore, I cannot use custom recovery or flash AOSP ROMs anymore. I cant stand Touchwiz.
I was thinking of selling my S4 and going for an S5 but it appears that no AOSP ROMs have not been released yet and development has ceased because of issues with GPS and Camera.The GPE version which can help with ROM development also has not been released yet and its release appears unlikely as time goes by. This phone was released back in April and I dont know if I can expect a stable AOSP ROM to be ever released - As the phone gets older, it gets more unlikely that someone will have the interest to fix these issues. Anyone share these concerns - any related thoughts - Is the S5 worth buying?
Development has not stalled, stop creating drama. This is a great phone all around so it was worth getting before root even occurred. Get the M8 if you can't be bothered...
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My S4 got fried. When I got it fixed, I found that it was upgraded to a newer build which has Knox. Therefore, I cannot use custom recovery or flash AOSP ROMs anymore. I cant stand Touchwiz.
I was thinking of selling my S4 and going for an S5 but it appears that no AOSP ROMs have not been released yet and development has ceased because of issues with GPS and Camera.The GPE version which can help with ROM development also has not been released yet and its release appears unlikely as time goes by. This phone was released back in April and I dont know if I can expect a stable AOSP ROM to be ever released - As the phone gets older, it gets more unlikely that someone will have the interest to fix these issues. Anyone share these concerns - any related thoughts - Is the S5 worth buying?
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GPS and Camera issues? No. And the development hasn't stalled, but is definitely more moderated than older phones. And you will not see ANY AOSP roms until the bootloader is unlocked(likely never). You have to use safestrap so you will only have Touchwiz roms.
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My S4 got fried. When I got it fixed, I found that it was upgraded to a newer build which has Knox. Therefore, I cannot use custom recovery or flash AOSP ROMs anymore. I cant stand Touchwiz.
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To add to what was said above, Knox is not the problem. The locked bootloader put in place on the Verizon and At&T variants is the problem. The T-Mobile and Sprint Galaxy S5s also have Knox, but their bootloaders are unlocked. So users of those models are free to flash whatever ROMs are available for their variants.
And the root exploit has been patched. So maybe not the best phone if you can't stand TW/absolutely can't stand not running a custom ROM unless you can get one that has not had the patch installed.
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FWIW I've been running custom ROM's since my old original Moto Droid and felt the same way. I finally took the plunge yesterday and paid full retail for the S5 (unlimited data plan)... I've got root and SuperSU with knox dis-abled, so I can freeze/delete anything I want and Foxfi lets me broadcast wifi tether. This phone is pretty well fantastic as it is. Even though some features are nice I ain't so sure I am even gonna mess with it. The phone is THAT good IMO....
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My S4 got fried. When I got it fixed, I found that it was upgraded to a newer build which has Knox. Therefore, I cannot use custom recovery or flash AOSP ROMs anymore. I cant stand Touchwiz.
I was thinking of selling my S4 and going for an S5 but it appears that no AOSP ROMs have not been released yet and development has ceased because of issues with GPS and Camera.The GPE version which can help with ROM development also has not been released yet and its release appears unlikely as time goes by. This phone was released back in April and I dont know if I can expect a stable AOSP ROM to be ever released - As the phone gets older, it gets more unlikely that someone will have the interest to fix these issues. Anyone share these concerns - any related thoughts - Is the S5 worth buying?
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As for AOSP ROMs. I have never had success with any AOSP ROM on my Moto Maxx HD, or my Sammy S4 Developer Edition and I tried every AOSP ROM available for them. In every case battery life was bad, or camera wasn't right or did not work, or GPS would not work or hold the sync, or they got real laggy after a few days or data would come and go. It didn't make a difference which ROM, there was always something that wasn't quite right. In the case of my S4, it always ran better on a TW based ROM.
I have an S5 Developer Edition now. Based on my previous experience with AOSP ROMs, I'm not holding my breath for a AOSP ROM that performs any better on my S5 than they did on my S4 because I don't think they'll ever get there.
There is root and SafeStrap for the S5 retail version now, as you already know. From most accounts the S5 performs very nicely with the TW based ROMs available...and so does my S5 Dev Edition. I'm not sure what it is about TW that you don't like but the S5 is a great phone whether you flash a custom ROM or not.
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And the root exploit has been patched. So maybe not the best phone if you can't stand TW/absolutely can't stand not running a custom ROM unless you can get one that has not had the patch installed.
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Verification on this statement? I gotta swap mine out for a warranty issue, hoping this isn't true. I haven't found anything else to confirm this....
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prenedo said:
Verification on this statement? I gotta swap mine out for a warranty issue, hoping this isn't true. I haven't found anything else to confirm this....
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The exploit has been patched, but the S5 has not received an update. So there is a chance the warranty replacement you receive may be ok, as long as the kernel is before June 3.
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