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Ok... I know I'm not one of the elite here, but I've been a PPC Admin creating custom ROMs with kitchens for a number of devices for the last 4-5 years. I love this site and everyone here has done an excellent job developing for our devices, but its time we organize this site to make it easy for noobs to get involved in our world. The big problem I see when I try to help people get into WinMo is that its really hard for them to find the right apps and previews of what is possible to do. The biggest complaint I have from friends who use this site is that there are often different threads for the same app and often they download the older version by mistake. I also see what happens to developers like A_C who have their apps ripped off and sold as a "bundle of freeware apps". Its wrong and I'd hate to see him or any of the other developers not get credit for their hard work.
So here is what I'm proposing... Why don't we create an app store right here where free and for pay apps can conveniently and easily be searched and organized. We could even setup rss feeds for the different applications so people could be notified when a new version or even a update to the thread has occurred. I know Microsoft is coming out with their app store, but come on. when have they gotten anything right for a community at this level of capability right at the start?
Either way.. I think it would be a great idea for us to build this and expand the Win Mo community. Thanks everyone for your hard work.
Feel free to comment.
Using RSS from a new sub-forum that XDA could setup would allow a dev to pull the threads and information. If they're formatted properly before submitted to the App Store forum, the first post in the thread could be App's description and preview including any youtube previews. The second post would have the cab file.
There would also be a string of text in the first post which would define device compatibilities so Raphael users don't try and download Kaiser specific software and vice-versa
A pre-approval process would take place in a seperate forum and PPC veterans and forum senior members could assist in evaluating the posts as well as the software?
I see a more community based solution in this idea. Very nice. BUT.. will it happen? I'm no longer in the programming side of the biz, but if someone could come up with an app that would take the RSS from a forum, I could setup a test forum on a site I run just for proof of concept. Anyone interested?
Sounds like a great idea! I think a forum isnt the best solution for the matter but at least there would be some kind of order...
(App2Date support for more programs would be helpful then as well)
I only say forum because this database is already in place, easily tweaked (I run a few vBulletin sites so I know how easy it can be) and the authors can update their applications easily without having to reinvent the wheel from the ground up. With the proper required fields we could easily organize everything nicely
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=488610
okay that sounds better.. im not experimenting with forums much
is is possible to filter things then? i cant really picture it
when i look for an app i always download all available of a kind (e.g. 5 minesweeper) and in the end not even 1 works ^^
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=480476
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=436127
why not have 3 more...
i think before u can update ur apps u first need 2 download them... and in order to do that u need to find them first and thats what this thread is mainly about
have u ever heard about apple app store? its not about selling devices whatsoever but to FIND SOFTWARE (easily)
Yep, there are a few being built already, but maybe a more "Official" one would get more development and community support?
Here's another one too: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=471576
I'd really like to see one of these Appstore ideas to also track UI customizations. I can't tell you the number of hours I've spent reading through hundreds of posts to find the perfect SPB Mobile Shell UI... lol.
I have tried all of the above mentioned 'portals' and I use DeviceUpdate, but it's the same 97 or 98 apps! This would be a direct tie-in to this site. Developers could submit their apps to the community for approval and they'd be moved into the proper section of the app 'vault' and would instantly be available in the Mobile Application which would generate its list via a direct RSS of the App Vault forum..
Why create a new database and userbase when XDA's is already so huge?
I second, third and forth this request. XDA dev's deserve a store for app releases and use the forum as a dev/feedback forum.. Vbulletin can only do so much... If revenue sharing is the major hurdle I would hope the webmaster can work out an agreement with the devs who want to submit apps. Another hurdle could potentially be copyright infringements.. Unofficial ROM's and other promoted/sold "clone-apps" could bring unwanted publicity to the site. This simple chaotic forum might be the perfect element to keep XDA under the corporate radar and safe from hungry lawyers.
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I second, third and forth this request. XDA dev's deserve a store for app releases and use the forum as a dev/feedback forum.. Vbulletin can only do so much... If revenue sharing is the major hurdle I would hope the webmaster can work out an agreement with the devs who want to submit apps. Another hurdle could potentially be copyright infringements.. Unofficial ROM's and other promoted/sold "clone-apps" could bring unwanted publicity to the site. This simple chaotic forum might be the perfect element to keep XDA under the corporate radar and safe from hungry lawyers.
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I disagree that 'vbulletin can only do so much'.. XDA-Developers.com even uses a basic 'stock' theme.. this site isn't customized very much and is a very basic implementation of the software. An app on the phones that pull the information from a sub forum of this site could load up previews, videos and the download links. If you want to add in 'dontation' links, that's also possible, but I think that's better left to PCs.
I agree that staying 'under the radar' is essential, but being able to access all of the software that can greatly improve your device from anywhere at a moments notice is key... I'm currently browsing to a forum on my phone to get a piece of software and it's taking at least 3 minutes to do it when I can get there in less than 10 seconds on the PC.. put this stuff in an app and I won't even need the PC other than to find the dev and discussion threads....
I see vBulletin in a different light from just a chat enabler.. but it might be because I know the back end so well.
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I disagree that 'vbulletin can only do so much'.. XDA-Developers.com even uses a basic 'stock' theme.. this site isn't customized very much and is a very basic implementation of the software. An app on the phones that pull the information from a sub forum of this site could load up previews, videos and the download links. If you want to add in 'dontation' links, that's also possible, but I think that's better left to PCs.
I agree that staying 'under the radar' is essential, but being able to access all of the software that can greatly improve your device from anywhere at a moments notice is key... I'm currently browsing to a forum on my phone to get a piece of software and it's taking at least 3 minutes to do it when I can get there in less than 10 seconds on the PC.. put this stuff in an app and I won't even need the PC other than to find the dev and discussion threads....
I see vBulletin in a different light from just a chat enabler.. but it might be because I know the back end so well.
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All valid points, but if the webmaster has no desire to expand this sites complexity, who are we to say add this n that when we are typing on a yellow/brown forum with minimal VB enhancements (no knock to XDA ).
What I see working is XDA allow a spin-off site which is the visual/functional app paradise we all crave.. The alter ego of Cydia and the evil empire. All discussion/dev related questions feed to their respective XDA threads. XDA mods can then port the data to XDA-apps when they feel the release is deemed safe. Developers who want more press/ad exposure pony up $$, and can then charge for more fully functioning software... I dont think anyone doesn't want an app store, its will you get official XDA muscle behind it?
There's a way to charge for threads, so if people want to sell the apps, they need to buy a premium spot for it on the XDA App listing.. *boom!* XDA is interested!
If a spin-off site is required, then that's cool, I'd be really interested in assisting with it. It would be possible to use the same user database.
Thanks everyone for opening feedback on this topic. I think we should look further into finding a way to make this happen. Any volunteers? l3it3r and Norkoastal have done a good job in taking the lead on this so far. How do you feel about making it happen Norkoastal andl3it3r's?
I would recommend getting some official support from XDA before beginning to compile resources for this effort. I really think there should be input from the owner/mods here who want to see this happen, & also get their take on maintaining the upkeep of this proposed rollout. I would be glad to throw my two pesos in, but wouldn't want to step on any toes or other efforts already in process, namely gecko..
I will be releasing a new more complete version of this very soon. Its a freewarepocketpc.net client working off the existing database online.
That's sweet! I use fwppc all the time because it's easy to navigate on the phone. I still think that XDA is the #1 name in Windows mobile development and that we could truly shine, but what if we were able to come up with a publicly agreed standard for thread creation down to the descriptions and layouts. Could you tie in an RSS feed from an XDA forum into that?
That's exactly what I was thinking l3it3r. A standardization for this site that is just setup for apps. If rss feeds were tied into it anyone could build an app that could go out and find the latest updates for their subscribed applications. Noobs wouldn't know about the applications used for downloading apps, but would know generally how to view a web forum. Its all about making it easier for the noobs to get interested in exploring the capabilities of WM and not to intimidate them. A good standardization of the layout would go a long way to expanding the user base and increase interest in our work.
What do you guys think?
With all things considered, I think it is better if this is done as a separate site as Napbree has done for finger friendly apps (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380748).
So if any legal issues should arise or site adjustments/enhancements that needs to be made, it can be dealt independently from XDA. This also can bring apps from other places into attention that isn't developed within XDA.
Shoutout to CyanogenMod and all the other Mods.
A friend told me that xda-developers was the best place to go to find expert Android DEVs. He said just click on the shoutout button. They read the posts every day. Evidently he used to work for HTC (tech support).
From doing my research on this project I had already been reading this forum for weeks before his suggestion.
I have an idea for a commercial app that would incorporate most of the functionality of Android phones other than USB and the FM radio. This game will definitely have the potential to be a top 10-100 application on the Android Market and App Market. There is no comparable application on the Android Market or for the iPhone.
The founding members definitely have the talent and experience to work on such a project. I need the best Androgeniuses and you know who they are. Please be kind enough to point out who I should talk to and the best way to approach them. I know that everyone is very busy.
And if cyanogen could point out the way it would be greatly appreciated.
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Hello XDAers
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Hello XDAers
I have been in the app development arena for an year now and I recently launched a blog titled Techibiz. We teach you how to develop and market mobile apps from scratch. We have articles ranging from app store optimization to video marketing, article marketing, forum marketing, analytics, tools of the trade and monetisation.
Learn the tips from me and start making money from mobile apps whether on Android, iOS or Blackberry at www.techibiz.com/mobile-apps.html .
Looking forward to response from fellow app developers and newbies.
Akshat
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thank you! i;m a newbie app developer and this will really help me.
OkiesCookies said:
thank you! i;m a newbie app developer and this will really help me.
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You are welcome!
iValueTech said:
Hello XDAers
I have been in the app development arena for an year now and I recently launched a blog titled Techibiz. We teach you how to develop and market mobile apps from scratch. We have articles ranging from app store optimization to video marketing, article marketing, forum marketing, analytics, tools of the trade and monetisation.
Learn the tips from me and start making money from mobile apps whether on Android, iOS or Blackberry at www.techibiz.com/mobile-apps.html .
Looking forward to response from fellow app developers and newbies.
Akshat
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Write something about mobile app AB testing. People are still not aware of it.
Where can I find any resources for posting aps in order to promote them.
Can anybody advice me the resourse where developers can post links for their incubator-android projects like my?
The package is: com.robotics.calculator
Good suggestions, thanks
I thnk the marketing is very important to all, but we need know more about marketing of applications.
iValueTech said:
Hello XDAers
I have been in the app development arena for an year now and I recently launched a blog titled Techibiz. We teach you how to develop and market mobile apps from scratch. We have articles ranging from app store optimization to video marketing, article marketing, forum marketing, analytics, tools of the trade and monetisation.
Learn the tips from me and start making money from mobile apps whether on Android, iOS or Blackberry at www.techibiz.com/mobile-apps.html .
Looking forward to response from fellow app developers and newbies.
Akshat
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thanks
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this was quite helpful actually
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iValueTech said:
Hello XDAers
I have been in the app development arena for an year now and I recently launched a blog titled Techibiz. We teach you how to develop and market mobile apps from scratch. We have articles ranging from app store optimization to video marketing, article marketing, forum marketing, analytics, tools of the trade and monetisation.
Learn the tips from me and start making money from mobile apps whether on Android, iOS or Blackberry at www.techibiz.com/mobile-apps.html .
Looking forward to response from fellow app developers and newbies.
Akshat
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It seems your page is down. I got a 404 error.
any update on the link? It still seems to be broken.
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It says your page is under construction.
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iValueTech said:
Hello XDAers
I have been in the app development arena for an year now and I recently launched a blog titled Techibiz. We teach you how to develop and market mobile apps from scratch. We have articles ranging from app store optimization to video marketing, article marketing, forum marketing, analytics, tools of the trade and monetisation.
Learn the tips from me and start making money from mobile apps whether on Android, iOS or Blackberry at www.techibiz.com/mobile-apps.html .
Looking forward to response from fellow app developers and newbies.
Akshat
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Sounds a nice site, but the website shows under construction.
When will it be released ?
The page is in construction.
Hi everyone! It looks like the hosting has expired...
PS. If anyone's interested in reading about marketing ROI, here's a good article that covers all the important things: valoso.com/blog/the-ultimate-guide-for-measuring-video-marketing-roi
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iValueTech said:
Hello XDAers
I have been in the app development arena for an year now and I recently launched a blog titled Techibiz. We teach you how to develop and market mobile apps from scratch. We have articles ranging from app store optimization to video marketing, article marketing, forum marketing, analytics, tools of the trade and monetisation.
Learn the tips from me and start making money from mobile apps whether on Android, iOS or Blackberry at
Looking forward to response from fellow app developers and newbies.
Akshat
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I m a newbie app developer and this will really help me.
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I have come across a website where apps can be developed by any person even if they lack programming language. All I want to know that is it really possible to earn some money by getting into the app development industry now for a person who lacks programming skills?
If yes, then what are the ways in which someone can earn money through this industry.
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What you are actually talking about here is maybe app designing. When it comes to making any app, be it web app or mobile, UX(User Experience) Designing is absolutely essential. IT basically deals with the logistics part of exactly how the interface of the pp is going to be like and how it will look broadly. Of course there is money in it but the skill set required is quite different from that of a developer. Its about creativity really, how can you make the experience as simple and attractive to users as possible. The approach is also different for gaming apps to e-commerce apps.. Try it out a bit and if you like it start looking for assignments. Best of luck
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