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Will Verizon Lte network have any effect on the Fascinate?

Will Verizon Lte network have any effect on the Fascinate?

Nope. You would have to have a different radio to be able to pick up the signal. Sadly we can't do this through a software update.
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The effect it will have is sadness. That LTE is so fast and we are 3g!!!
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As long as the LTE network isn't hooked up at the same places the current network is and they don't have to share any bandwidth between them, there won't be a difference. If one cable is carrying all the traffic from the current 3G system and the upcoming 4G network, there could be some slight slow down in data speeds, but that would be the only way it would affect you.

I live in the middle of nowhere, so LTE won't have an effect on any phone I buy for years to come.
If Verizon follows Sprint's lead, the fascinate may actually gain an advantage by not incurring the extra fees associated with LTE access (e.g. the EVO 4G)
I don't expect to see LTE penetration beyond the biggest urban markets for quite some time (remember how slow 3g spread?)

This is me just thinking, but the LTE rollout may actually help us a bit. My reasoning in this is that some of the load will be lifted off of 3g when people start moving to LTE, giving us more bandwidth. Thats just me thinking though.

theraptscallion said:
I live in the middle of nowhere, so LTE won't have an effect on any phone I buy for years to come.
If Verizon follows Sprint's lead, the fascinate may actually gain an advantage by not incurring the extra fees associated with LTE access (e.g. the EVO 4G)
I don't expect to see LTE penetration beyond the biggest urban markets for quite some time (remember how slow 3g spread?)
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Negative on that. Actually LTE is to cover 110 million people by the end of the year alone, and full penetration (97% of territory) by 2013. I see their efforts ramped up much more this time around

I'm the primary on my families plan so I just have to wait a year and I get to upgrade so hopefully by them 4G well be in my area and there still be some legit 4G phones to choose from.
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This is true indeed...probably would take some time to lighten bw loads, but caps would be raised eventually and 3g speeds would increase some
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phoenx06 said:
This is me just thinking, but the LTE rollout may actually help us a bit. My reasoning in this is that some of the load will be lifted off of 3g when people start moving to LTE, giving us more bandwidth. Thats just me thinking though.
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Agreed, however this depends on how quickly they get phones rolling out, but I think by then we will also want to be on lte phones.

RacerXFD said:
Agreed, however this depends on how quickly they get phones rolling out, but I think by then we will also want to be on lte phones.
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LTE phones will appear at earliest Feb or March of next year, and thats a best case scenario....

The new LTE network is ran on a seperate fiber from the current 3g network. 3g is T1 based, LTE is ethernet. One will not affect the other.
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snapounds said:
The new LTE network is ran on a seperate fiber from the current 3g network. 3g is T1 based, LTE is ethernet. One will not affect the other.
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This is "somewhat" true. Yes, LTE is on the ethernet backhaul network (requirement for LTE). But a good portion of the country also has EVDO on ethernet as well.

Bummer... I was hoping that much like the Tmobile network it would help our phones... Thank you for the information.

4G... not really 4G

http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/111455/4g-is-a-myth-and-confusing
Plus the fact it's not even close to my area of living

yeah cell providers called it that cause it sounded good, and for them was technincally the 4th generation of mobile internet - but it is not what 4G officially stands for.... there IS NO real 4g networks anywhere, as the standards are in their infancy.

Old news. ITU said this a while back. It's funny, I talked to Verizon at their Chicago LTE launch event and they laughed and said, it's all marketing anyway, so who cares.
ITU has no teeth, so no one really cares.

WiMax and LTE are 4G networks that aren't being used as that yet. All that's needed is a firmware upgrade to make it true 4G.
Tmobile on the other hand will never have 4G with their current network.
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xHausx said:
WiMax and LTE are 4G networks that aren't being used as that yet. All that's needed is a firmware upgrade to make it true 4G.
Tmobile on the other hand will never have 4G with their current network.
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Mmm... No. If you want to equate it to something, LTE and 802.16e WiMax that Sprint and Verizon are pushing out is like 802.11b Wi-Fi. Real 4G (LTE-Advanced and 802.16m WiMax) would be more like 802.11n.
Basically, just ask yourself these questions to tell if it's 4G:
1) Do I see speeds of around 100mbps average?
2) Is all traffic being done via IPv6?
3) Are calls being made as VoIP?

Pretty sure that article is way off. I agree that it's not true 4g, but tmobile's hspa+ doesn't even get close to 12mb. Most of the time it barely reaches 4-5mbs.

yeah verizon and sprints networks are more like 3.5 g or 3.25 g. t mobiles is still 3g but since everyone else is slapping 4g stickers on their network they thought they would too, especially since the average consumer doesnt know what the f 4g is anyway. and meanwhile at&t is still trying to get 3g working lol.

Cal3b said:
yeah verizon and sprints networks are more like 3.5 g or 3.25 g. t mobiles is still 3g but since everyone else is slapping 4g stickers on their network they thought they would too, especially since the average consumer doesnt know what the f 4g is anyway. and meanwhile at&t is still trying to get 3g working lol.
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You got me laughing with the AT&T still getting 3g to work well lol and there drop calls lol.

I don't know about the rest of you all, but I live in the central valley, CA and 4G is widely available throughout the region. I average from 6-10mbs down when I do a speedtest. But I only enable 4G when I really need it, otherwise my battery dies rather quickly.

drmacinyasha said:
Mmm... No. If you want to equate it to something, LTE and 802.16e WiMax that Sprint and Verizon are pushing out is like 802.11b Wi-Fi. Real 4G (LTE-Advanced and 802.16m WiMax) would be more like 802.11n.
Basically, just ask yourself these questions to tell if it's 4G:
1) Do I see speeds of around 100mbps average?
2) Is all traffic being done via IPv6?
3) Are calls being made as VoIP?
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Technically LTE and 801.16 in their current implications are called Pre-4G, however, the networks are being built as 4G networks. They are just not being utilized as such and the standards for both types of 4G aren't even finalized yet. They are fully packet switched networks with support for IPv6. The only place where the networks fall short is bandwidth, true 4G requires 100MB nominal speeds with at least 1GB peak. That can't happen until the standards are finalized.
T-Mo's HSPA+ is 3.5G and will never be 4G. There was a wired (I think) article just today saying they were thinking about chipping in on WiMAXs spectrum for their next generation network, aka 4G.
Edit: From the article:
One network representative, who asked not to be identified, claimed that ITU's 4G line-in-the-sand is being misconstrued. The organization previously approved the use of the term "4G" for Sprint's WiMAX and Verizon's LTE networks, he said -- though not for T-Mobile's HSPA+ network.
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3g and 4g really ticking me off!

Been almost a year and my 3g service is poor outside, and still no 4g in my area of south jersey. I really luv this evo, but my girl has thunderbolt from verizon and her service is amazing with no signal problems! Sorry had to vent, but sprint needs to get there 3 and 4 g up to speed or im making the jump to verizon! They should not advertise 4g when its not even available!
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fierceeagle2003 said:
Been almost a year and my 3g service is poor outside, and still no 4g in my area of south jersey. I really luv this evo, but my girl has thunderbolt from verizon and her service is amazing with no signal problems! Sorry had to vent, but sprint needs to get there 3 and 4 g up to speed or im making the jump to verizon! They should not advertise 4g when its not even available!
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Huh... Clear map says you have coverage... take the 4g issue up with them. Call Sprint with your 3g issues, you might get a credit. ALso, if you jump ship remember SPrint own 3times as much spectrum then Verizon or Att. Eventually when their networks are congested, Sprint will have plenty more to play with.

i agree..3g here has been horrible since november of last year and verizons service here is awesome..on top of that verizon lte will be in my area in a few months...even more of a reason to jump ship..

Hey, 4g is in philly, not south jersey, we get the ****ty outcast signal , i want 4g all over south jersey! Were now in quarter 1 of 2011 when this phone has been out for almost a year! They need to stop [email protected]$%* and fix the problem, and ive been with sprint since 2000 long time custy , they need to do whats right!
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blakeboys said:
Huh... Clear map says you have coverage... take the 4g issue up with them. Call Sprint with your 3g issues, you might get a credit. ALso, if you jump ship remember SPrint own 3times as much spectrum then Verizon or Att. Eventually when their networks are congested, Sprint will have plenty more to play with.
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Yea and by the time Sprint actually implements that spectrum and puts it to use itll be years from now.

I just jumped...well tomorrow my tbolt will be here. Wanted to stay but couldnt take the data issues. They waved my etf cause ive been complaining once a wk since nov. It wasnt easy getting them to wave it. Others are jumping to.

I downloaded Firefox 4 today - it took a good 30 minutes. Ridiculous.
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I just jumped ship from TMO to Sprint because I couldn't get 3G anywhere near home here in Oklahoma but every single other carrier had it. I have had great experience with Sprints 3G. What are you guys speeds? I download at a consistent 1mbit or better.

dowmace said:
I just jumped ship from TMO to Sprint because I couldn't get 3G anywhere near home here in Oklahoma but every single other carrier had it. I have had great experience with Sprints 3G. What are you guys speeds? I download at a consistent 1mbit or better.
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<500kbit in NYC. Usually around 300, used to get 1.5 mbit about a year ago.
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Even if you get 4g in your area it still sucks as far as building penetration

Award Tour said:
I downloaded Firefox 4 today - it took a good 30 minutes. Ridiculous.
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Dude.....if that takes 30 mins, then you should switch RIGHT NOW. i love the EVO and all of its glory but you should at least get a phone that is enjoyable to have.

I guess I got it good in Houston. My 3G speeds are good, 4G is even better. If they were as you are describing I would have ditched sprint a long time ago!

I'm a long way from you guys, near Toronto, well, between Toronto and Detroit. I did a quick speed test tonight and my hsupa speeds were faster than when I'm home on wifi!? I'll post some #'s momentarily.
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tkjeeper said:
I'm a long way from you guys, near Toronto, well, between Toronto and Detroit. I did a quick speed test tonight and my hsupa speeds were faster than when I'm home on wifi!? I'll post some #'s momentarily.
Bah, made a liar out of me! Must have been the area I was in! 3.3 mb/s on wifi, 1 mb/s in home, wifi off, hsupa on. Oh well.
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dowmace said:
I just jumped ship from TMO to Sprint because I couldn't get 3G anywhere near home here in Oklahoma but every single other carrier had it. I have had great experience with Sprints 3G. What are you guys speeds? I download at a consistent 1mbit or better.
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Same here...

Poll: Do u think the Sprint Galaxy Nexus will be LTE or Wimax Ready?

Poll: Do u think the Sprint Galaxy Nexus will be LTE or Wimax Ready?

Thought this was discussed before but seeing that lte was such a big thing about the GN, i'm willing to put money on it being lte. Especially since sprint will be doing their upgrade to lte, why have such a top of the line, cutting edge phone on a network that's going bye bye?
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.OmEgA said:
Thought this was discussed before but seeing that lte was such a big thing about the GN, i'm willing to put money on it being lte. Especially since sprint will be doing their upgrade to lte, why have such a top of the line, cutting edge phone on a network that's going bye bye?
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Well i hope it is LTE. However i hope it doesn't make sprint release it late when lte finally rolls out.

If it doesn't come LTE ready then its probably a sales tactic. If it doesn't get rolled out til mid 2012 (LTE) then it wouldn't surprise me ifthey didn't have it.
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JohnCorleone said:
If it doesn't come LTE ready then its probably a sales tactic. If it doesn't get rolled out til mid 2012 (LTE) then it wouldn't surprise me ifthey didn't have it.
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When did u get a nexus s?

Also i think the could maybe release it earlier if it didn't have any 4g and just 3g.

is it possible for a phone to be both LTE and WiMax? because if not, and Sprint's actually getting this thing next month, there's no way it'll be an LTE device. Sprint won't have LTE ready for the better part of a year at the earliest.

My gut feel, for the timing of it, is that it won't have any 4g. 6 months ago that would have been crazy, but it wouldn't look as bad now sitting on the shelf next to an iPhone.

bohiti said:
My gut feel, for the timing of it, is that it won't have any 4g. 6 months ago that would have been crazy, but it wouldn't look as bad now sitting on the shelf next to an iPhone.
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Ya i forgot the 3g only option in the poll

Sammy hax the wimax antennas and they got to get rd of them. Wimax has to stay around for a year or better for the people with phones and hotspot cards for home and laptops. Unless there is only one version of the prime, I think they will get there own flavor with wimax.
Got to justify the $10 extra right?

Specs for Galaxy Nexus Prime say LTE and Hspa, no WiMax. Unless they are going to build a special one for sprint 4G will be out of the equation for awhile. Here:
http://www.google.com/nexus/#utm_campaign=us&utm_source=ha-bk&utm_medium=sem&utm_term=+nexus +prime

at first i thought no wimax but it would be stupid to put a lte radio when its going to costs sprint extra money. i am positive they have an inventory of wimax radios they need to get rid of.

It's going to have an LTE radio.
There's no way that they're going to make a special device with Wimax just for Sprint [Now that Sprint has declared Wimax dead] and there's no way that it's not going to have a 4g option [Considering being LTE/HSPA+ capable was part of the presentation]
Being as LTE is right around the corner for Sprint, it's a good selling point too.

I will eat my own head if Sprint releases an LTE phone with functioning LTE network anywhere by Spring 2012.

DroidApprentice said:
I will eat my own head if Sprint releases an LTE phone with functioning LTE network anywhere by Spring 2012.
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That's cool. Sprint never said "Spring 2012"
They said "midyear 2012"
Also, couple of replies to this:
1) If you fully understood Network Vision you would understand why it is going to be very easy for Sprint to reach it's goal of 120 million LTE covered by the end of next year.
2) And really more importantly, if you completely understood Network Vision you would realize that LTE really isn't that important.
The speeds delivered by their 3g coverage, with the roll out of Network Vision, will be more than sufficient enough to not validate wasting the significant battery LTE takes.

I can't see Sprint releasing a phone with a 4g radio that cannot be used on its network now - just does not look good from the marketing standpoint. Therefore, I think Nexus Prime Sprint will have a WiMax radio.

dohturdima said:
I can't see Sprint releasing a phone with a 4g radio that cannot be used on its network now - just does not look good from the marketing standpoint. Therefore, I think Nexus Prime Sprint will have a WiMax radio.
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You think its a better marketing standpoint to release a phone with "4g" technology that they're moving away from?

dohturdima said:
I can't see Sprint releasing a phone with a 4g radio that cannot be used on its network now - just does not look good from the marketing standpoint. Therefore, I think Nexus Prime Sprint will have a WiMax radio.
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Wouldn't be the first time Sprint releases a phone with features that are planned for future deployment. The EVO 3D comes with their CDMA push to talk technology that's replacing iden. Wouldn't be surprising at all if the Galaxy Nexus included an LTE radio on Sprint's band. I'd really love Sprint's version to be a world phone. Hopefully they can include GSM and HSPA+.
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It's highly possible that the Sprint Galaxy Nexus will include EVDO rev B with 1X Advanced. That means it's 3G speeds could reach 10 Mbps with voice and data simultaneously. That wouldn't be so bad.
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kaotikevo said:
It's highly possible that the Sprint Galaxy Nexus will include EVDO rev B with 1X Advanced. That means it's 3G speeds could reach 10 Mbps with voice and data simultaneously. That wouldn't be so bad.
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Sprint isn't going with Evdo rev. B though...

check out these LTE speeds

Check out the LTE speeds that I get in New Haven, CT on AT&T. I'm using an HTC Vivid and running Rum Float beta 3(ICS w/ sense) Pretty impressive IMHO... ALMOST 39 DOWN/14 UP!!! Check out the attached pic!

MeeGz said:
Check out the LTE speeds that I get in New Haven, CT on AT&T. I'm using an HTC Vivid and running Rum Float beta 3(ICS w/ sense) Pretty impressive IMHO... ALMOST 39 DOWN/14 UP!!! Check out the attached pic!
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Awesome I want this too.

Blimey!!
You guys in the US are so lucky, cant wait till LTE arrives in the UK

Nice. In Poland LTE working fast only in bigger cities.

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amazing!
low latency + high speed

You suck
The best I ever got with verizon LTE with 5 bars right next to a tower is 33mbs DL and 15UL. Yet with 3/5 bars you get 38/14. And I bet it never just drops too. oh why verizon WHY. With 3/5 bars on verizon I avg 8-15mbsDL and 2.5-11mbsUL, with the best being 24/15.
There are times were my H+ S2 can flat out beet my droid RAZR in youtube video loading and keeping it a flowing.
P.S I had no idea Poland had LTE. It's it any good?

NICE. That's a tad bit faster than my FiOs too.
I'm in Hawaii and we always get things last. LOL.

4ktvs said:
You suck
The best I ever got with verizon LTE with 5 bars right next to a tower is 33mbs DL and 15UL. Yet with 3/5 bars you get 38/14. And I bet it never just drops too. oh why verizon WHY. With 3/5 bars on verizon I avg 8-15mbsDL and 2.5-11mbsUL, with the best being 24/15.
There are times were my H+ S2 can flat out beet my droid RAZR in youtube video loading and keeping it a flowing.
P.S I had no idea Poland had LTE. It's it any good?
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For the few seconds I had data on with my prepaid plan few minutes after I landed, it was pretty fast, then I had no money eft on my account to call lol.
I didn't check speeds, but it was pretty damn fast. But I was in the capitol at the airport, so it will always be faster lol. But even 3G is pretty fast back in Poland. America is way behind on mobile data.

@OP , Im in Harford, best I ever got was 8Dwn 1Up on HSPA+, wife has LG Nitro HD LTE, will have to give it a try. Was told by a Best Buy Mobile Rep we should be getting LTE any week now. 2 ATT customer service reps on the phone coulnd find a date, but said all LTE markets should be done in the next 2 months.
--in the meantime Im throttled to Edge speed for going over 3GB, I know theres an APN switch for 4G SIM Users, but I'll have to wait.
---GT-P6200 by the way. Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus (from Malaysia) HSPA+ and voce calling on Honecomb 3.2

awesome!! Faster than my dsl :/

wow! I wish I had these speeds!

faster than my H+ S2, My Droid razr on 4GLTE and my TWC ISP. I would have to add them all up to get what you get. LOL

4ktvs said:
You suck
The best I ever got with verizon LTE with 5 bars right next to a tower is 33mbs DL and 15UL. Yet with 3/5 bars you get 38/14. And I bet it never just drops too. oh why verizon WHY. With 3/5 bars on verizon I avg 8-15mbsDL and 2.5-11mbsUL, with the best being 24/15.
There are times were my H+ S2 can flat out beet my droid RAZR in youtube video loading and keeping it a flowing.
P.S I had no idea Poland had LTE. It's it any good?
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Update your prl
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jaszek said:
For the few seconds I had data on with my prepaid plan few minutes after I landed, it was pretty fast, then I had no money eft on my account to call lol.
I didn't check speeds, but it was pretty damn fast. But I was in the capitol at the airport, so it will always be faster lol. But even 3G is pretty fast back in Poland. America is way behind on mobile data.
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America invented cell phone technology.....let me guess, where behind on space technology and cheeseburger technology too
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that is fast

mkelsho said:
America invented cell phone technology.....let me guess, where behind on space technology and cheeseburger technology too
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You are not too behind, but still behind than some other places
Japan started using 3G in 1998, whereas the US started it in 2002. Also, check this out too: http://en.teknoblog.com/communicati...cell-3g-is-faster-than-4g-networks-in-us.html
As jaszek said, 3G is pretty fast in Europe

Yeah, 3G is quite fast here on Europe but not so fast than the LTE on USA for sure
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HTC Bravo said:
Yeah, 3G is quite fast here on Europe but not so fast than the LTE on USA for sure
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I agree, and even though they say Turkcell has one of the fastest networks available worldwide, and Steve Wozniak's thoughts about the network, I can't really say that its that fast because I used the same network for 4 years. Maybe it was the phones I used, who knows?

Hi,
how about the ping? is the ping always constant 40-50? or also sometimes 100+ or 20?
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