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x10 camera vs. satio camera

hey..
my friend has a SE satio which comes with a 12MP camera..
i just thought my photos sucked when taken at night because it's dark outside..
but when my friend took the same photos in same setting with her satio, it looked so much better..
i don't think 4MP would make such difference .. would it??
x10 came out after satio.. but i guess they put a crappier camera on x10.. hm..

So what you got Android

Considering most phones don't even break 4MP 8.1MP is quite a good camera for a cell phone. SE has been beastly with cameras in their phones and those 4MP do matter. if you took a picture with a 4MP camera and compared it to a picture taken with the X10, the X10 would look infinitely better.
Phone's rarely do well with lighting because they have fixed focus lenses, it's not practical to have a lense that extends and retracts on a cell phone. Cell phones are getting better and better camera but they will never be able to replace a good professional camera.
As for the decision to give the X10 an 8.1MP camera, it likely had to do with pricing. if SE would have put a 12MP camera in the price would have been much higher.

oh no.. i don't mean "i want a 12MP camera!"
but just i didn't think 'megapixels' made much difference in qualities when taken in dark...
it's just that when i took photos with the satio, we could see ppl's faces and etc.. but with x10 it was really dark, pixelated, and etc....

The Satio also has a xenon flash. I'd expect my C905 to beat out my X10 at night too.

lft4ded said:
The Satio also has a xenon flash. I'd expect my C905 to beat out my X10 at night too.
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+1! i loved the flash on my c905! it was awesome - infact sometimes too good. it would light up dust in the air and they would appear on shot

The amount of megapixels have nothing to do with the quality of the colors and how well it does in bad lit scenes. If you limit the amount of layers the light has to pass to get to the converting(light to electricity) layer of the cmos sensor then you get better results in dark settings.
Sony developed a back lit sensor in 2008 (i think). This sensor is lit from the back and the light doesn't have to pass all the layers. The result of this is it catches more light. And then you can take better pictures at night. Not sure if they have implemented it yet into mobile phones.
A xenon flash helps idd. Are the pictures in the dark also better without flash?
The x10's camera can capture colors very well with fine detail, it's not a bad camera.

Satio wins at night hands down (xenon flash ).
I saw images in day light and they were better compared with X10.
Problem with Satio is the software.
At least X10 got firmware updates for bug fixing but Satio is pretty much dead.

4 mp matters when it comes to Cypershot processor and Xenon Flash in Satio
even thought Pixels have nothing to do with quality but only in size of the picture

xperia x10 camera quality lacks
sony Ericsson want to sell his all mobile phones thats why there is no camera quality in x10..company never introduce all rounder phone which has good camera , android 2.1 (at least 2.1) , wifi , gps , 4inch screen , sexy look..
if such phone any company introduce than his other handset will not sold..
its marketing policy...nothing else...

swapniladsure said:
sony Ericsson want to sell his all mobile phones thats why there is no camera quality in x10..company never introduce all rounder phone which has good camera , android 2.1 (at least 2.1) , wifi , gps , 4inch screen , sexy look..
if such phone any company introduce than his other handset will not sold..
its marketing policy...nothing else...
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What are you talking about? The X10 had the absolute best camera on a smartphone when it was released.
Also, megapixels mean absolutely, positively nothing when it comes to image capture in the dark. In fact, the more megapixels you shove into a tiny sensor, the crappier the image will be. A bigger CMOS sensor will give you a better picture, not more megapixels.

Exactly
Take a look at the pictures posted here : http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=195111&start=210
They are taken with a xperia x10 and they look stunning compared to other phones.

Infinity1988 said:
Exactly
Take a look at the pictures posted here : http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=195111&start=210
They are taken with a xperia x10 and they look stunning compared to other phones.
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Yes, but not compared to Satio
and you can see that in the link you provided

MJ_QaT said:
Yes, but not compared to Satio
and you can see that in the link you provided
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I didn't come across any comparison between the satio and the xperia x10 on that url, maby i overlooked it. But there are people there that switched from the satio to the x10 and are happy with it. That thread is for x10 pictures only.
Besides take a look here : http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Sony-Ericsson-Satio-12471 Those pictures don't look better than the pictures of the x10.
I think the only thing that's better on the satio (besides amount of mp) is the xenon flash.
I would like to see a direct comparison between the satio, c902 and x10.

not only photo taking sux... music oso sux...
SE never improvise the technology of cybershot and walkman to X10...
wat's the point trying to come out a high end phone but lack of all these... sux... even my brother lousy W350i tat have much much nicer music than mine...
shame on SE....

Infinity1988 said:
I didn't come across any comparison between the satio and the xperia x10 on that url, maby i overlooked it. But there are people there that switched from the satio to the x10 and are happy with it. That thread is for x10 pictures only.
Besides take a look here : http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Sony-Ericsson-Satio-12471 Those pictures don't look better than the pictures of the x10.
I think the only thing that's better on the satio (besides amount of mp) is the xenon flash.
I would like to see a direct comparison between the satio, c902 and x10.
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I'm not saying that x10 picture quality is not good, I am happy with it :-D
But I used both cameras and excluding the mp difference satio's photos are better due to cypershot technology. However, using 3rd party applications like vignette in x10 makes its photos much better and more professional ;-)
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MJ_QaT said:
I'm not saying that x10 picture quality is not good, I am happy with it :-D
But I used both cameras and excluding the mp difference satio's photos are better due to cypershot technology. However, using 3rd party applications like vignette in x10 makes its photos much better and more professional ;-)
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I agree on that. The stock camera application uses too much compression. They don't finetune the software of the camera like with the cybershot phones.

Share your best camera settings for Xperia Z

You know the 13MP camera is supposed to be great but when you take a shot, the result is not so well. Photos are usually washed out in color.
Maybe it's the settings?
Why not share your best camera settings here?
To make Xperia Z a better shoter.:good::highfive:

there is no best setting for taking pictures
there are many factors regarding that light, sky, what u shootin how far,....

the best setting for a really great picture is taking a decent camera with you, wherever you go.

duncanm said:
the best setting for a really great picture is taking a decent camera with you, wherever you go.
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nothing you can do really i think that the camera on the xperia z has so much potential sony has some of the best sensors tec in the world. but i think where sony fails is really in its software, and to tell you the truth i dont think its going to progress any time soon.
we all know that apple uses sony sensors and there picture quality is so much better because they have done a great job with their software.
I dont see why sony doesnt just pay apple developers to sort it out lol. i love my sony alway have so i can put up with them.

decentgi said:
nothing you can do really i think that the camera on the xperia z has so much potential sony has some of the best sensors tec in the world. but i think where sony fails is really in its software, and to tell you the truth i dont think its going to progress any time soon.
we all know that apple uses sony sensors and there picture quality is so much better because they have done a great job with their software.
I dont see why sony doesnt just pay apple developers to sort it out lol. i love my sony alway have so i can put up with them.
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indeed camera app didnt change much since xperia x1

Since 2 days I am a proud owner of the Xperia Z, but when you take a picture with the 13mp camera it is a verry poor quality, also the picture is just 2/3/4 mb depending on how many colours there are in the shot. I allready set the camera to 13mp, when you turn on the HDR function it sets to 10mp but still the quality stays poor. Someone knows if there is a setting that lets you make larger pictures than 3/4 mb?

Shoot in BURST mode and be amazed
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2195895

Koningwatermaker said:
Since 2 days I am a proud owner of the Xperia Z, but when you take a picture with the 13mp camera it is a verry poor quality, also the picture is just 2/3/4 mb depending on how many colours there are in the shot. I allready set the camera to 13mp, when you turn on the HDR function it sets to 10mp but still the quality stays poor. Someone knows if there is a setting that lets you make larger pictures than 3/4 mb?
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I was underwhelmed by the camera as well but changing a few settings makes a huge difference. I shoot in Manual Mode, touch to focus, 8mp , white balance on auto (I sometimes change this) and ISO on auto. I can post a few pictures in low light if you want.
Also if you download Camera FV-5 it lets you take pictures in .png format, the pictures are about 8mb but I couldn't tell the difference in quality to be honest.

Actually... I'm not an expert on these stuff but.. I think there is more to your Sony Xperia.. It can get better if you know how to adjust with the scenes and IF YOU USE MANUAL MODE(ABSOLUTELY GIVES YOU A CHANCE OF GETTING SUPERB OUTCOMES) THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT REALLY CANT BE CORRECTED THOUGH, like the "GRAINS" but I've found a solution, although you had to download another app called"Snapseed" IT REALLY HELP ENHANCING YOUR PHOTOS..

[HTC One vs Z1] Camera comparison test the shoutout

Z1 vs HTC one camera test / comparison - Vote please.​
@ Mods please move this thread in general if it doesn't belong here , ty !
ok so my cousins came at my place with 2 Z1's , we've taken them to test them out , it was cloudy day , as for flash light photos / indoor no flash photos z1 trully sux big time and they didn't want to let me have those photos , so all i have is daylight photos and 1 flash light and 1 indoor , don't ask how i got those 2 lol it was PAIN.
While taking pics z1 really has major issues with superior auto / white balance , while with manual it's slightly better but still not good enough imo due timing , they've took both pics with me average 3/4 pics each and average 2-3 mins took them for each pic with various settings at the end choosing the best outta 7/8 they took while i was snapping either 1 normal or some HDR pics that's about it. They've also deleted so many daylight photos where they were worse then me ... so not really an *FAIR* comparison due them being big time Sony fanboys and they're very stubborn and not accepting their camera isn't the best in the world lol.
Keep in mind i have no skills with camera tho my cousins know how camera works so they're more experienced then i am.
Anyway i'll let you judge the photos and i'll open a vote poll so vote for which you think it won overall.
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great
except for the cloud one Which z1 has more natural
i cant believe htc beats z1 camera lol
thats epic hahaha
btw some of the colors are saturated for z1
for me htc one picture are pretty awesome
bith cameras are like same 4mp vs 21 lol

@Khixar27
I'm still uploading Photos i got 50 more to go please wait before i finish
Here some more photos that couldn't fit in the 1st post.
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Koje selo i država brate? ?
Htc One the One ?

Slovakia?
But sticking to topic, Z1 doesn't looks to good with 21mpx sensor. I would say that One has slight edge here

adam_pl said:
Slovakia?
But sticking to topic, Z1 doesn't looks to good with 21mpx sensor. I would say that One has slight edge here
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Its Serbia actually
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I like the saturation in the Z1, but the HTC definitely capture more detail in low light with less noise. My conclusion is to use the HTC with a +.5 step in saturation.

In my opinin, and yes, I am a Z1 owner... seeing as you were using the Z1 in manual mode, you either had the ISO too low (50??) or you didn't adjust the EV accordingly as the Z1 pictures just look too dark really?
When in manual mode, you really need to take advantage of the settings

raysurrx7 said:
I like the saturation in the Z1, but the HTC definitely capture more detail in low light with less noise. My conclusion is to use the HTC with a +.5 step in saturation.
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We've took photos @ around 10/11am lol , the saturation you like on z1 is cuz they had to use cloudy / daylight white balance due impossibility to come close to my pics , here few examples for you just so you see what I mean , anyway it wouldn't look realistic since there were no sun at all pretty much whole time. Only 2 pics had sun and that's it.
1st pic normal 2nd with daylight effect same as they used the whole time
I assume this is what you wanted ?
Keep in mind it was cloudy no sun at all , that why pics are less saturated on my phone but as you can see in the examples I could've done that but wouldn't represent realistic colors
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I guess there is something to that mega pixel after all. Both cameras took good pictures and mostly comes down to settings. At least the Xperia don't suffer from the purple haze that many of us one owners has.
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Dark Jedi said:
I guess there is something to that mega pixel after all. Both cameras took good pictures and mostly comes down to settings. At least the Xperia don't suffer from the purple haze that many of us one owners has.
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It actually has indoor some yellow / blue tint , you can see on the indoor pic , btw I don't have that sensor issue that many HTC one owners do.
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wezzel98765 said:
In my opinin, and yes, I am a Z1 owner... seeing as you were using the Z1 in manual mode, you either had the ISO too low (50??) or you didn't adjust the EV accordingly as the Z1 pictures just look too dark really?
When in manual mode, you really need to take advantage of the settings
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Exifs are there for all the pics
The Z1 user set white balance appropriately and actually used -EV compensation for a number of shots, might have over done it in some places. it's a difficult call. Auto isn't mature yet on the Z1, whereas the HTC one has been out for ages and from what i could tell the HTC camera took all the shots in auto. No tweaks.
The close up on the tree bark actually has the Z1 produce a blurred shot, dunno how that happened. Shutter was fast enough so no chance of camera shake.
Shan89 said:
ok so my cousins came at my place with 2 Z1's , we've taken them to test them out , it was cloudy day , as for flash light photos / indoor no flash photos z1 trully sux big time and they didn't want to let me have those photos , so all i have is daylight photos and 1 flash light and 1 indoor , don't ask how i got those 2 lol it was PAIN.
While taking pics z1 really has major issues with superior auto / white balance , while with manual it's slightly better but still not good enough imo due timing , they've took both pics with me average 3/4 pics each and average 2-3 mins took them for each pic with various settings at the end choosing the best outta 7/8 they took while i was snapping either 1 normal or some HDR pics that's about it.
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What i'd like to understand better is this brightness value i see in the HTC exifs, it seems to change for each shot and wondered if any of the htc guys can tell me more about it. First thing you see is the HTC shots are all brighter, and in some cases more than necessary.
Questions to the OP
- how long have the Z1 owners had their phone and how long have you had yours.
- indicate which photo pairs are HDR (if any) ?
- Can you clarify whether the Z1 took the shots in 20MP or 8MP.
- Which program did you use to resize down to 1.4MP ?
- i don't understand what happened with the indoor shots. Saying they were really bad does not make sense to me. Without seeing the shots there is no way to comment.
- How about a low light shoot-out. I want to see shutter speeds of 0.3s on your htc and we'll see how that compares with the 0.8s on the Z1. Take care to stabilise the cameras so as not to have blur. If your cousins know what they're doing this should not be a problem for them
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They've also deleted so many daylight photos where they were worse then me ... so not really an *FAIR* comparison due them being big time Sony fanboys and they're very stubborn and not accepting their camera isn't the best in the world lol.
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Actually this is fair, you should have done the same as this way it really is best that the cameras can do. These are pre-planned shots, you can take as much time as you want. There is no time deadline or any other constraints. When people put up their pics many times they put up the best of many. So this is normal.
Auto isn't mature on the Z1, it will take time. This means the skill of the Z1 owner needs to be better. The difference with ISO for instance can be signficant and not slight as you put it, auto can bump ISO up very high resulting in a noisy shot whereas you can get pretty good results if you set it manually. Your cousins did this already. Most reviewers do not.
This should not come as a surprise to an HTC owner, you have plenty of tweaks you can use as well. However, things like contrast, sharpness, saturation etc would not be fair as they're not present on the Z1 and can be done in post with better software. i note you did not use any of these 3 in any photos

great comparsion
for me htc one looks better , btw the photos is great
does your htc one camera sometimes show in screen regular noise while capturing photos? i want to know if this is a regular thing or only my unit does this .. another question , does your phone suffer from blue/red noise in dark or no ? i hope no:good:

wezzel98765 said:
In my opinin, and yes, I am a Z1 owner... seeing as you were using the Z1 in manual mode, you either had the ISO too low (50??) or you didn't adjust the EV accordingly as the Z1 pictures just look too dark really?
When in manual mode, you really need to take advantage of the settings
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Hello there , I didn't even use z1 , I've wrote in OP that I was using my one and my 2 cousins were using 2 z1's taking each 3/4 pics each in total of 7/8 and later picking the best pic outta 7/8.
They look dark because HTC really has outstanding HDR while z1 really is no match with hdr.
From my observation with those difficult scenes z1 was useless , you could make pic but you would have to chose either sky/ clouds or ground , there's no option to take both like with HTC's hdr.
oh and believe my cousins were only using manual since superior auto was completely useless.
One Twelve confirmed this by checking Exifs.
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Exifs are there for all the pics
The Z1 user set white balance appropriately and actually used -EV compensation for a number of shots, might have over done it in some places. it's a difficult call. Auto isn't mature yet on the Z1, whereas the HTC one has been out for ages and from what i could tell the HTC camera took all the shots in auto. No tweaks.
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Yeah you're right. Like I said all I was using was auto or hdr , nothing else.
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The close up on the tree bark actually has the Z1 produce a blurred shot, dunno how that happened. Shutter was fast enough so no chance of camera shake.
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I guess the cousin moved lol.
One Twelve said:
What i'd like to understand better is this brightness value i see in the HTC exifs, it seems to change for each shot and wondered if any of the htc guys can tell me more about it. First thing you see is the HTC shots are all brighter, and in some cases more than necessary.
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The shots are brighter cuz of hdr , with z1 if you point at the sky for example bottom gets dark and it's clearly impossible for z1 to balance that due to poor hdr capabilities where's the htc one handles this easily.
My guess about brightness change is probably meetering and our auto / hdr can use higher values then what we can in manual.
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Questions to the OP
- how long have the Z1 owners had their phone and how long have you had yours.
- indicate which photo pairs are HDR (if any) ?
- Can you clarify whether the Z1 took the shots in 20MP or 8MP.
- Which program did you use to resize down to 1.4MP ?
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- I've had HTC one since June , my cousins have their Z1's since it came out ( as addition they've been with Sony since SE K300I , so trust me they know what they're doing lol )
- All photos that have sky / clouds +ground = hdr , the rest were normal.
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- i don't understand what happened with the indoor shots. Saying they were really bad does not make sense to me. Without seeing the shots there is no way to comment.
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- trust me it was embarrassing shots which is why they didn't let me have them , I managed to get only 1 flash photo and only 1 indoor no flash photo , I was looking forward to upload those but unluckily they didn't let me have them.
- Dunno which mp they used all I know is they used manual settings.
- I didn't use any program to resize photos , all I did is upload the photos from pc to tinypic site and post them here.
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- How about a low light shoot-out. I want to see shutter speeds of 0.3s on your htc and we'll see how that compares with the 0.8s on the Z1. Take care to stabilise the cameras so as not to have blur. If your cousins know what they're doing this should not be a problem for them
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Like I said there's no low light shots Thx to them , tho in almost pitch black no flash z1 was better , everywhere else worse. Even video recording low light due fact I can record video at same brightness as the shots you saw lol. ( hdr recording ) also in pitch black z1 can't come close since my flash is about 2x more powerful.
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Actually this is fair, you should have done the same as this way it really is best that the cameras can do. These are pre-planned shots, you can take as much time as you want. There is no time deadline or any other constraints. When people put up their pics many times they put up the best of many. So this is normal.
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I don't have the nerves for that I just want point and shoot not wasting time to set all the settings , the moment will pass by the time settings are set.
One Twelve said:
Auto isn't mature on the Z1, it will take time. This means the skill of the Z1 owner needs to be better. The difference with ISO for instance can be signficant and not slight as you put it, auto can bump ISO up very high resulting in a noisy shot whereas you can get pretty good results if you set it manually. Your cousins did this already. Most reviewers do not.
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Yeah I've noticed that superior auto is utter **** lol.
One Twelve said:
This should not come as a surprise to an HTC owner, you have plenty of tweaks you can use as well. However, things like contrast, sharpness, saturation etc would not be fair as they're not present on the Z1 and can be done in post with better software. i note you did not use any of these 3 in any photos
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Yeah I'm just one of those point and shot , sometime switch to hdr and that's about it. Tho I gotta say I play with settings when I'm bored but when taking pics pretty much point and shoot.
Nightf0x_007 said:
great comparsion
for me htc one looks better , btw the photos is great
does your htc one camera sometimes show in screen regular noise while capturing photos? i want to know if this is a regular thing or only my unit does this .. another question , does your phone suffer from blue/red noise in dark or no ? i hope no:good:
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I guess I get sometimes with flash noise untill it focuses after that all normal , no tints here pretty much perfect unit.
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2

Great post. It is nice to see almost a year in and our camera is still up there with its so called Ultra-pixels which is just a fancy word for mega-pixel. I never doubted this phones camera always served me well and even made a 2 hour long home movie to send back home.. Great phone but i think if sony put time and effort into their software they can get the camera up and running in brilliant quality too..

Shan89 said:
They look dark because HTC really has outstanding HDR while z1 really is no match with hdr.
From my observation with those difficult scenes z1 was useless , you could make pic but you would have to chose either sky/ clouds or ground , there's no option to take both like with HTC's hdr.
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HDR takes multiple exposures and combines them. You have no control over this process. Given that auto isn't mature with Z1, it follows that neither will HDR be mature on Z1.
If you want good quality photos, then try not to use HDR. why ? jpg is lossy. jpg + jpg + jpg = even more lossy. Also takes longer as you have to wait for 'processing images' before taking next shot.
About sky/ground, what you do is use spot metering. If you spot on the clouds, the ground becomes dark, on the ground you blow out the sky, you have to spot somewhere in the middle. Now if the subjects are in the same focal plane then you can get away with this otherwise HDR is the only option as focus will not be at infinity. HDR is a compromise in this particular case to get you better exposed shot.
Its not required for every shot, only where there is big difference in lighting between foreground and background and subjects are in many planes that you want to keep more or less in focus. Personally, unless its landscape type photo this can be distracting, better to keep the subject in sharp focus and forget if the rest is blurred, it will make for a better shot.
In camera HDR is a recent 'innovation'. If you want the best HDR, then take 5 exposures from -2 to +2 with camera on a tripod, use a HDR speicialised program to combine them on a PC and then see the results compared to the 'poor man's HDR' the camera provides.
Shan89 said:
Yeah you're right. Like I said all I was using was auto or hdr , nothing else.
The shots are brighter cuz of hdr , with z1 if you point at the sky for example bottom gets dark and it's clearly impossible for z1 to balance that due to poor hdr capabilities where's the htc one handles this easily.
My guess about brightness change is probably meetering and our auto / hdr can use higher values then what we can in manual.
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Then i would look only at the pics where HDR was not used in this comparison. HTC one has had many months to improve HDR, it did not come perfect out of the box. Same with Z1.
Shan89 said:
- I've had HTC one since June , my cousins have their Z1's since it came out ( as addition they've been with Sony since SE K300I , so trust me they know what they're doing lol )
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Z1 has been out now just under two months, takes time to get to know its quirks. Each phone camera is different. Since they set WB & EV i can tell they are not complete n00bs. But more hands on time is always better than less. Photographer is more important than camera.
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- Dunno which mp they used all I know is they used manual settings.
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If you have the originals, then look at the resolution. the 20MP will be (5248 x 3936) and the 8MP will be (3840 x 2160) or (3,264 x 2,448) . File sizes will also be bigger. I think they have used 20MP for all, can you confirm ?
This matters because currently you will get better shots with Z1 in 8MP 4:3 than with 20MP. Noise control is much better due to oversampling. Also 8MP means you can use different SCN modes which is not possible with 20MP. For low light shots or indoors this will make a difference.
For now we can say 20MP means 2x zoom is better than lower resolution sensors. Photos at 20MP are not necessarily better than 8MP. I wish these cameras put out RAW because then we will really see what the camera can do instead of what the compression program is doing to create those jpgs
When people make comments about camera they are primarily commenting about
1) auto and how well it works
2) image compression algorithm. good compression + good quality means more time + more CPU, a phone is not the best place to do this. So you can take the next shot quick, compromises are made here which affect image quality.
3) stock camera app. 3rd party apps in playstore may do a better job in certain situations.
So we still do not get to see what the camera can do without these other factors interfering in the process with ANY phone camera.
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- I didn't use any program to resize photos , all I did is upload the photos from pc to tinypic site and post them here.
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It was a good choice for image host because inspite of resizing it still preserved the exif data. Many others strip it out. I was surprised to see them. So you passed the minimum test here
Better still would be to resize them yourself with a good quality program and then upload. How well these image sites do resize is not transparent. They have to handle lots of load.
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- trust me it was embarrassing shots which is why they didn't let me have them , I managed to get only 1 flash photo and only 1 indoor no flash photo , I was looking forward to upload those but unluckily they didn't let me have them.
Like I said there's no low light shots Thx to them , tho in almost pitch black no flash z1 was better , everywhere else worse. Even video recording low light due fact I can record video at same brightness as the shots you saw lol. ( hdr recording ) also in pitch black z1 can't come close since my flash is about 2x more powerful.
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I'm trying to figure what you mean here. The only clue is flash is 2x more powerful. So in cases where a more powerful flash helps the Z1 could not compete but there are cases where your flash will be over powering and the Z1 will be just right. This isn't a problem because you can always diffuse the light by putting some paper on the flash. Where the more powerful flash has an edge is in freezing motion if subject is moving with low light, so long as it happens less than 6 feet away. But then flash makes for lousy photos since its direct at the subject and not reflected. Big problem with phone cameras currently. They always locate the flash below the lens instead of above it. I don't why this is. There is no off camera flash option available as yet. eg. you cannot bounce the flash of the ceiling and get better photos.
But why to use the flash in the first place, when both cameras can do good low light photos. None of the subjects in the photos were moving so there should not be a problem here.
We don't know what your cousins were thinking. Embarrassing does not say much, why was it embarrassing and what could be done to make it better. There are many indoors shots with Z1 in the photo thread, nothing embarrassing there.
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I don't have the nerves for that I just want point and shoot not wasting time to set all the settings , the moment will pass by the time settings are set.
Yeah I'm just one of those point and shot , sometime switch to hdr and that's about it. Tho I gotta say I play with settings when I'm bored but when taking pics pretty much point and shoot.
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This applies for impromptu shots. How often does this happen for you ? Not a single one of your sample shots comes in this category. My feeling is these impromptu shots are maybe 5% of the time. These are the hardest to get, subject may be moving and you will not get a good shot, you will get an ok to bad shot.
The rest of the time you can plan, take many shots, play with angles for better composition etc. But the thing about camera in your pocket is at least you have a camera in the first place and if the time is there you will get the shot whereas before you had nothing.
People say you are not supposed to get good photos because this is only a phone camera. But with more capable cameras they take lots of effort to get a good photo because its a good camera. Makes no sense. To get a good shot with phone camera you have to work harder because there are more limitations. This means more possibilities as well.
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Yeah I've noticed that superior auto is utter **** lol.
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And what about 3 months from now ? will your statement still be valid.
if you follow the evolution of the Z, it took anywhere from 3-5 months after launch to get it right. So there is no reason it will change with Z1, maybe it might come sooner. This unfortunately is a sony thing. others will put out cameras that are mature but have bugs elsewhere. Nobody puts out a perfect phone at launch. Look hard enough and you will see the bugs, what matters is whether the vendor is prepared to fix them or not. How good is their past record in doing this.
But the reviewers always get the latest & greatest and then move on, they do not bother to review after 3 months. People also want latest & greatest and then find its not mature and think its bad. But after 3 months they change their mind. Just see the photo threads for any flagship here and you see the same comments. My <old phone> takes better photos than this <new phone>. very predictable :laugh:
if you look at HTC photo thread, around march-may, reviewers were complaining that htc is oversharpening images because they can see halos around the edges. What is the solution ? set sharpness to -2 or -1 gives a softer image and no halos. So htc got bashed quite a bit too. In fact i think htc is most bashed camera out there because everybody thinks 4MP is not enough. But what can they use to display 4MP ? there are no 4k displays out there or they are very expensive. Full HD is only 2MP. you can still print 10x14 inch prints with 4MP. But no... 4MP on HTC is not enough or bad. pfft.
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I guess I get sometimes with flash noise untill it focuses after that all normal , no tints here pretty much perfect unit.
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This is one thing that still i'm not able to understand. 300 pg thread on this omg!. There are theories around but nothing conclusive as yet. Some people are saying the heat does it over time. With Z1 if it gets too hot you will not be able to use the camera. So too much heating over a long time is supposed to cause this problem with tinting. Its such a pity to replace the phone after only 6 months :crying:
This tinting is the problem as i see it with htc one. Not 4MP.

Too many peoples and companies think megapixels means quality, while using very poor sensors. They keep trying to push this rumor/agenda
A better sensor>>>>>megapixel count

crixley said:
Too many peoples and companies think megapixels means quality, while using very poor sensors. They keep trying to push this rumor/agenda
A better sensor>>>>>megapixel count
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Exactly +1
@One Twelve
I'm sorry I can't bother answering to all questions etc , simply just take a look at photos and you got answer.
As for hdr stuff you wrote HTC one takes less then 0.5 Sec to make hdr photo and ready for next , I'm sure it takes over 20 sec to set z1 to make similar photo which is still no match.
As for fllash HTC one has smart flash = we.have 5 modes = it can fire up very low light or super strong light , this is why z1 will never match htc one in flash light photos , especially if photos are 1/2+ meters away , z1 is useless in this distance.
As for ceiling HTC one gets better flash photos when there are walls then when there aren't.
I can take photo outdoor pitch black about 5/7 meters away , indoor I can go up to 10 , if I increase exposure and lower contrast I can go even further.
HTC one also in long distance low light photos can take hdr + flash light = it gathers light from flash as well and makes overall picture more light.
With 4:3 HTC one also makes better photos then in 16:9 also sharper.
By the time z1 gets / if it gets fixed we will have updates as well + one 2 will be out by that time and more fair comparison would be one 2 due being newer 4/5 month's instead comparison vs HTC one which is 7 months older
As for Xperia Z I've took test with my cousins as well since they had XZ before z1 , I've literally raped Xz , I'll ask them to send me that test and upload it as well.
As for movement + picturing z1 will never match HTC ZOE.
here few samples for you so you see why :sly:
Btw all this pics were quiet tricky movement and impossible with burst shot or regular , but ZOE handles movement quiet easy.
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2

If I am to judge, I'd say for the most part, the z1 does seem more pleasing. You seem to be abusing the hdr alot on the Htc one. The colors are washed out as hell. I can tell because I use the htc one as well.
I'll say this, neither the z1 nor the HTC One's hdr are good. Only the HTC One has a minor advantage.
If you are going to use HDR, set your ISO to 100, AF/AE lock on a bright light source AND THEN switch to HDR. This way your HDR will look much better than just using HDR right off the bat.
The first pic, I used HDR right off the bat. Looks washed out, basically it looks terrible
The second pic, I set ISO100, AE/AF lock on my ceiling light, switched to HDR. Much better colors.

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I'm sorry I can't bother answering to all questions etc , simply just take a look at photos and you got answer.
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Too bad, i guess it will fall upon somebody else to challenge otherwise my points stand.
Z1 isn't ready for a HDR shootout. It is ready for non-hdr manual shootout. When i have time i will select the non-hdr shots in your group and we will see the differences.
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As for fllash HTC one has smart flash = we.have 5 modes = it can fire up very low light or super strong light , this is why z1 will never match htc one in flash light photos , especially if photos are 1/2+ meters away , z1 is useless in this distance.
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This bit is interesting. i don't think any other android camera can vary the intensity of flash light based upon what the camera sees. This is an advantage with indoor shots. Does not mean you cannot get acceptable ones in Z1 or any other that does not have this ability, its just harder. And once you know what to do its no longer harder.
So I'm not going with ease of use, i'm interested in whether its possible to take the shot or not. This is a better indication of limitations.
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HTC one also in long distance low light photos can take hdr + flash light = it gathers light from flash as well and makes overall picture more light.
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ok
Shan89 said:
I can take photo outdoor pitch black about 5/7 meters away , indoor I can go up to 10 , if I increase exposure and lower contrast I can go even further.
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Useful but difficult to get right. People look more cold than warm. This is why the push to improve low light handling so there is little need to use flash in the first place. Flash photography on a mobile phone is difficult.
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With 4:3 HTC one also makes better photos then in 16:9 also sharper.
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Surprising as i thought htc one has a native 16:9 sensor. Everybody else uses 4:3. So smaller pics come out better with 4:3 than 16:9.
So i'd have thought 16:9 is best aspect ratio for htc one.
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By the time z1 gets / if it gets fixed we will have updates as well + one 2 will be out by that time and more fair comparison would be one 2 due being newer 4/5 month's instead comparison vs HTC one which is 7 months older
As for Xperia Z I've took test with my cousins as well since they had XZ before z1 , I've literally raped Xz , I'll ask them to send me that test and upload it as well.
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Yeah, do that lets see the difference. Ensure the exifs are visible. After looking at the photo thread for Z, i changed my mind about what most people think about the Z. I would like to understand in which way the htc one 'rapes' the Z
I note that htc one does not indicate which firmware number is being used. So can you mention which one was used to take your photos.
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As for movement + picturing z1 will never match HTC ZOE.
here few samples for you so you see why :sly:
Btw all this pics were quiet tricky movement and impossible with burst shot or regular , but ZOE handles movement quiet easy.
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I don't follow, with enough light you have a fast shutter speed so why is it hard to get those shots ?
What does ZOE do here that you cannot do without it.

worst camera xperia sp

Hi. I have xperia sp.
It has the worst 8MP camera i'v ever seen.
images and videos are always grainy no matter what light conditions are.
every image has noise. its quality is equivalent to some 2MP shooter.
Is any one experiencing same issue? Is this software issue or hardware??
Please help me. after spending so much of money m not at all happy with the camera quality.... feeling cheated
xperia SP

Clean your camera lens first..
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absolutely true. worst camera considering the brand Sony. Micromax has better camera than SP. cleaning camera lens or cover does not improve anything.
I regret buying this phone. should have gone for ZR

I us this camera mod http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2655322 on cm11 and it's nice.
Gesendet von meinem Xperia SP

Regretting buying a phone just because of crappy camera? And you feel cheated? It's not like Sony forced you to buy it and said its camera is excellent. In fact, all of the reviews say that the camera is bad and not good enough. Do some research before buying a phone. And don't expect wonders from a mid range with such high end specs
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No better pic. On the other ones are my family.
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For me it is not the worst. Stock 4.1.2. Superior auto mode. Indoor could be better though.
outdoor
indoor

my camera works just fine, you need to fine tune the settings

vvstorm2 said:
Hi. I have xperia sp.
It has the worst 8MP camera i'v ever seen.
images and videos are always grainy no matter what light conditions are.
every image has noise. its quality is equivalent to some 2MP shooter.
Is any one experiencing same issue? Is this software issue or hardware??
Please help me. after spending so much of money m not at all happy with the camera quality.... feeling cheated
xperia SP
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Don't worry...!! All the Xperia SP got worst camera like you...!! It has worst camera than all other sony devices I've used till now..!!

sell your phone and buy new a phone

Okay i do not get all of ur complaints bout xperia SP's camera
The camera is pretty good, ya we cant compare to high end devices, but its still pretty good man
I was able to take perfectly clear pics of cells with this camera via a microscope, which i cudnt using a iphone 5
First 3 pics are from 4.1
Other 3 are from 4.3
I do not get how you can say its really bad :-/
Just try to take multiple pics, then delete all except best, or use burst
Low light is not as good
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honestly, the camera is fine, take it off superior auto and put it on manual and take a better pic, its not the camera its the photographer. now to prove this theory, please try and tell me what camera took this un-edited, un-filtered un modified pic

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honestly, the camera is fine, take it off superior auto and put it on manual and take a better pic, its not the camera its the photographer. now to prove this theory, please try and tell me what camera took this un-edited, un-filtered un modified pic
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okay there is no argue here
that picture is just... OMG XD

thanks brotha, feel free to use the pic if you wish

Sadman Khan said:
Regretting buying a phone just because of crappy camera? And you feel cheated? It's not like Sony forced you to buy it and said its camera is excellent. In fact, all of the reviews say that the camera is bad and not good enough. Do some research before buying a phone. And don't expect wonders from a mid range with such high end specs
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i am saying this because i have compared pics taken by xperia sp and xperia L. (in auto mode and in manual mode with same settings.)
xperia L inspite of being cheaper than xperia sp has nice camera quality and much less noise whereas xperia sp always has noise which drastically reduces the quality as compared to xperia L (Which is cheaper 8MP shooter)
and i am saying it because sony is advertising xperia sp and xperia L both for 8 mp shooter with "Sony Exmor RS™ for mobile image sensor"
How the same sensor with same resolution can produce so much of noise on xperia sp

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i am saying this because i have compared pics taken by xperia sp and xperia L. (in auto mode and in manual mode with same settings.)
xperia L inspite of being cheaper than xperia sp has nice camera quality and much less noise whereas xperia sp always has noise which drastically reduces the quality as compared to xperia L (Which is cheaper 8MP shooter)
and i am saying it because sony is advertising xperia sp and xperia L both for 8 mp shooter with "Sony Exmor RS™ for mobile image sensor"
How the same sensor with same resolution can produce so much of noise on xperia sp
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Because they have to sell both.
L for camera
SP for GPU and illumination bar.
These are market tactics and every manufacturer does it. Dont say you dont know this. My desire x was a low/midranger, with excellent camera, but crappy everything else. every set is made to sell for 1 or two points, and flagships are made to cover all of the points. simple.

neXus PRIME said:
Because they have to sell both.
L for camera
SP for GPU and illumination bar.
These are market tactics and every manufacturer does it. Dont say you dont know this. My desire x was a low/midranger, with excellent camera, but crappy everything else. every set is made to sell for 1 or two points, and flagships are made to cover all of the points. simple.
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Can i use any specific custom ROM for xperia SP which will have a better camera than what stock ROM has.??

vvstorm2 said:
Can i use any specific custom ROM for xperia SP which will have a better camera than what stock ROM has.??
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Changing ROM wont change camera result. however you can try some camera apps from play store. like camera mx and camera 360 etc...
Some focus issues are solved by using 3rd paarty apps. But still, nothing great or extraordinary. Its a decent camera, not a world-beater. you have to accept and live with the fact like all of us. cheers

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my camera works just fine, you need to fine tune the settings
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Do you have any settings to take a nice picture? Please share
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meshramjatin said:
Do you have any settings to take a nice picture? Please share
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i change the settings after every pic but i will post what i generally do
First of all put the phone in manual mode auto is ok but not great
set the focus to single auto focus
put on image stabilizer
you should put the phone to take 5mp 16:9 photos not 8mp 4:3
when you are about to take the picture set the exposure so that the pic isnt too bright or too dark
set the white balance now and change it till the pic looks right
now you must click the camera shutter so it focuses the pic then after 1-2 seconds take the shot :good:

Xperia Z5 awful camera problems . Do you regret buying this phone ?

Hi all,
Without long introductions , this my first Sony device I came from LG G4 and I had many issues with the camera of my Xperia Z5 and I've seen a lot of z5 users complaining about the same problems of Z5 poor camera performance :
1- It takes pictures with blurry left side (more noticed with landscapes)
2- Details are soft and not clear (when zooming the picture) and the sharpness is really bad compared the Galaxy S6 , Iphone 6S and LG G4
3- The camera has troubles with focusing on close objects ( less than 10 cm )
4- Aggressive corners image distortion
5- Blue/purple tint (on low light pictures)
6- Slow and laggy shutter speed which is not accpeted for such high end specs
7- Only some limited manual controls
Note that My Z5 is only 2 weeks old and I had no contact with water , clean lens no scratches , not using any film or case , latest camera app and system updates are installed , factory reste doesn't help .
Some experts says that soft details and lake of sharpness in Z5 camera pictures are due to the bad image post processing and aggressive denoising algorithms/engine , simply it is caused by Sony's weak camera software .
Note that apple and samsung flagships use Sony camera sensors , and we all can see that they provide much better results than those same sensors on Sony phones . So what's the problem ? why this is not working with Sony Phones ? simply because both of Samsung and apple know how to make a good software for their cameras .
It is true that the camera has a very good dynamic range and provide good colors , but this is not enough for such priced phone.
Is it really "The best camera in the world" ? I personally don't think so .Sony needs to wake up to those issues and try to find solutions otherwise they will loose many clients .
I hope that Sony developers are aware of those issues and will provide fixes if possible .
I wonder if those problems are fixed in the new Xperia X Performance ?
I wonder also how DxOmark.com is giving the Xperia Z5 a such high score even with all those issues ?
Do you feel that you have been fooled by this Camera that Sony claims that it is "The best phone camera in the world" ?
Let us know that in replies if you experienced the same problems with your phone .
As expected you will see a lot of denial in replies here. So I quote :
"I understand that , I also love my Z5 but we have to be honest and acknowledge that this camera suffer from many problems" away of any fan boys wars
I think it's time for Sony to learn some things from its competitors .
Related threads :
Disappointed by the Z5 camera pictures quality: a critical comparison!
What's up with the horrible camera distortion in the corners?
Xperia Z5 Camera can not focus on close objects !!

I think you should learn how to take a good picture

Astaine Akash said:
I think you should learn how to take a good picture
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Really ! Why I have to do that while a samsung galaxy s6 user don't have to . same as many Apple,LG ... and other smartphone users .

It takes pictures with blurry left side
This is a known hardware issue on the limited number of units and you should send it back for warranty!
Details are soft and not clear , sharpness is really bad if compared the Samsung Galaxy S6 , Iphone 6S and LG G4
This is SONY and I have the exact same problem from the time of Xperia X10i (first SONY android smartphone)
The camera has troubles with focusing on close objects ( less than 10 cm )
This is a wide lens and therefore has a limited focusing on close objects.
I think I have read that it has a limit of 12 cm!
Only some limited manual controls
This problem is known to you prior to actually buying the phone!

Bro z5's camera better than s6 and note 5. I have z5 and my friend note 5 my phone on 80% of condition better than note 5. You want to know how to take pics.
About close object 10 cm macro focus not any phone can takes .
http://www.yugatech.com/photography...sults-sony-xperia-z5-vs-samsung-galaxy-note-5

karrouma said:
Bro z5's camera better than s6 and note 5. I have z5 and my friend note 5 my phone on 80% of condition better than note 5. You want to know how to take pics.
About close object 10 cm macro focus not any phone can takes .
http://www.yugatech.com/photography...sults-sony-xperia-z5-vs-samsung-galaxy-note-5
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No regrets here. Bought two of them.

No regrets here either had mine since launch and takes pictures when I want them too
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The camera is good for a smartphone.

You gotta be kidding.coming from Galaxy Note 4 I friggin love the Camera

Whoo boy there are some people in denial here.
Their camera algorithms destroying/smoothing out detail is not acceptable these days and it's not okay that that's "just how they do it".
Also agreed, the low light blue tint problem is atrocious. I'd rather have a dimmer photo or even more grain that I can tweak if I want than destroying it with that in the hopes of brightening a subject which then gets smoothed out to look like a LEGO.
For a 2015 flagship, the still photos are embarrassing.
Maybe it gets good reviews for the wide angles and good video, but there is legitimate beef here.

augie7107 said:
No regrets here. Bought two of them.
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zippy01 said:
No regrets here either had mine since launch and takes pictures when I want them too
Sent from my Xperia™ Z5 using Tapatalk
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Cool guys , how are you treating the camera issues !

gm007 said:
The camera is good for a smartphone.
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josephnero said:
You gotta be kidding.coming from Galaxy Note 4 I friggin love the Camera
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Please read the thread before spamming in replies next time .

korom42 said:
Cool guys , how are you treating the camera issues !
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I don't have any camera issues at all and I'm pretty happy with it. After being sent pictures from other people's camera phones various makes including iPhone I'm always thinking wtf
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korom42 said:
Hi all,
1- It takes pictures with blurry left side
2- Details are soft and not clear , sharpness is really bad if compared the Samsung Galaxy S6 , Iphone 6S and LG G4
3- The camera has troubles with focusing on close objects ( less than 10 cm )
4- Aggressive corners image distortion
5- Blue/purple tint on low light pictures
6- Slow and laggy shutter speed which is not accpeted for such high end specs
7- Only some limited manual controls
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1. Not mine.
2. Z5 easily trumps S6, 6S and G4 in terms of detail. I have no idea what you are talking about.
3. Minimum official focusing distance of Z5 is 12cm. Yes, Z5 is a bad choice for macro photography. Does not affect me.
4. It's an ultra wide angle lens.
5. Not really an issue for me. The blue color shows up above ISO 1000. Image quality is already quite bad at those sensitivities. I would avoid using such high sensitivities even if there was no blue color showing up.
6. Yes, the shutter lag is sometimes quite annoying.
7. This is the only complaint that i fully agree with. Lack of manual controls and horrible camera app user interface is very annoying. I hope Sony fixes this issue in future updates.

N0whereMan said:
1. Not mine.
2. Z5 easily trumps S6, 6S and G4 in terms of detail. I have no idea what you are talking about.
3. Minimum official focusing distance of Z5 is 12cm. Yes, Z5 is a bad choice for macro photography. Does not affect me.
4. It's an ultra wide angle lens.
5. Not really an issue for me. The blue color shows up above ISO 1000. Image quality is already quite bad at those sensitivities. I would avoid using such high sensitivities even if there was no blue color showing up.
6. Yes, the shutter lag is sometimes quite annoying.
7. This is the only complaint that i fully agree with. Lack of manual controls and horrible camera app user interface is very annoying. I hope Sony fixes this issue in future updates.
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Reasonable explanations , for (2) you can check out the samples on this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/general/disappointed-z5-camera-pictures-quality-t3217766

That first post of that thread is complete nonsense. Most of the links are already dead, but some are still functioning. Just research the pictures, and you will see, they are nonsense.
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Reasonable explanations , for (2) you can check out the samples on this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/general/disappointed-z5-camera-pictures-quality-t3217766
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N0whereMan said:
That first post of that thread is complete nonsense. Most of the links are already dead, but some are still functioning. Just research the pictures, and you will see, they are nonsense.
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So what's that supposed to mean ?
Does this comparison made by SuperSaf has "nosense" too
https://youtu.be/3-Yxha0-I10
I understand your point , I also love my Z5 a lot but we have to acknowledge that this camera suffer from many problems.

You'll learn soon enough thread starter, like I did, that Sony is a little bit like Apple: the Xperia brand has an army of apologists and/or zealots in denial... And this forum has many of them. Yes the Z5 has many issues, and the camera software is one of them, but don't expect people here to recognize these issues here; they won't

cj1171 said:
Whoo boy there are some people in denial here.
Their camera algorithms destroying/smoothing out detail is not acceptable these days and it's not okay that that's "just how they do it".
Also agreed, the low light blue tint problem is atrocious. I'd rather have a dimmer photo or even more grain that I can tweak if I want than destroying it with that in the hopes of brightening a subject which then gets smoothed out to look like a LEGO.
For a 2015 flagship, the still photos are embarrassing.
Maybe it gets good reviews for the wide angles and good video, but there is legitimate beef here.
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Thank you mate
Phazonclash said:
You'll learn soon enough thread starter, like I did, that Sony is a little bit like Apple: the Xperia brand has an army of apologists and/or zealots in denial... And this forum has many of them. Yes the Z5 has many issues, and the camera software is one of them, but don't expect people here to recognize these issues here; they won't
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I can clearly see that , I'm trying to accept and tolerate all opinions
may god be with us :angel: