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Check out the comparison tests of the iphone 4 and droid x and the EVO:
http://www.macworld.com/article/152314/2010/06/iphonecameratests.html
http://www.pcworld.com/article/1998...e_iphone_4_vs_the_android_army.html?&tk=hp_fv
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/06/25/720p-droidx-iphone4/
I'm seriously curious about what our X10s can do against iphone 4's camera. All these articles states that the iphone 4 have the best smartphone camera out there. I guess i'm assuming because iphone's backside illumination does have an effect on low light conditions which turns out better on iphone's test photos.
What do you guys think?
Backside illumination? Are u kidding me? Its like if my ass was glowing i would never suffer from constipation.
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Backside illumination? Are u kidding me? Its like if my ass was glowing i would never suffer from constipation.
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Are you trolling?
The iPhone 4 camera produces some nice low-light pictures. The flash is over-powering, but every LED flash is like that.
I hope it is only a matter of time before someone compares the iPhone with the X10, because I'm curious. I think we all suspect the iPhone is even better in this regard than the X10 though, but healthy competition never hurts right?
I still don't get the obsession over the image quality in cellphone cameras. Sure it's nice to have a good camera but it's never gonna surpass a "real" one, I settle for "good enough" as the pics I take with the phone tend to be either to show someone something or to document something.
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Are you trolling?
The iPhone 4 camera produces some nice low-light pictures. The flash is over-powering, but every LED flash is like that.
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I am not trolling.But to think that the iphone produces good pics coz of some backside lighting its pure blasphemy. My C905 had the whole backside lighting up and going by that it should be the best cam on the planet. The sensor is probably better. I still dont see how it can beat the X10 with the camera upgrade coming with 2.1
I really want to see some tests too. It will be a shame if the iphone makes better photos especially when they havent been known for making good cellphone cameras like SE. I think no one has compared them because we only have the x10 in Canada and we dont have the iphone yet. And the states has the Iphone but no x10 I really hope X10 Makes better pics, i would be really upset if not because i think the 8.1mp camera is the one of the major features i choose to get the x10 and the only thing that can stfu aplle fanboys + the 4" Display. This would be interesting.
Don't Worry about the X10 quality!!
Man!
The X10 rocks no matter what. I'm into photography, I took few pictures with it and I'm impressed. In my opinion:
-iPhone pictures looks pleasing but not real as they are too contrasty and saturated while the X10 looks more real.
-X10 camera gives more camera options
-LED flash is down for both phones (I prefer not to use it because it destroys the real colors)
-For video recoding SE promised 720p recording so both will be equal.
-You can still get good low light pictures with the X10 provided the image-stability feature as long as you don't have shaky hands like mine
finally check out my x10 shots .
I made a few pics to compare the 2 cams. I know, that arent the best which can be made, but I'm not a camera pro to be honest.
But to take a look at the quality of both devices they seem to be ok for me.
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I made a few pics to compare the 2 cams. I know, that arent the best which can be made, but I'm not a camera pro to be honest.
But to take a look at the quality of both devices they seem to be ok for me.
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Thanks for the effort, but it's not very usefull unless you take the same pictures (of the same objects) with both camera's.
Now i don't have the iPhone 4 to compare to my XPERIA X10.
But i took some pictures earlier with my XPERIA X10 that i mean iPhone 4 wont even come close to.
Ok look here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7309753/DSC_0019.jpg
Here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7309753/DSC_0024.jpg
This one: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7309753/DSC_0025.jpg
And here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7309753/DSC_0027.jpg
Now, show me any pictures from iPhone 4 that looks as good as those pictures.
That's some d*mn nice pics, love the coloring on the first.
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Now i don't have the iPhone 4 to compare to my XPERIA X10.
But i took some pictures earlier with my XPERIA X10 that i mean iPhone 4 wont even come close to.
Ok look here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7309753/DSC_0019.jpg
Here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7309753/DSC_0024.jpg
This one: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7309753/DSC_0025.jpg
And here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7309753/DSC_0027.jpg
Now, show me any pictures from iPhone 4 that looks as good as those pictures.
Note that those pictures was taken with 6 mpix resolution, not 8.1. But the pictures looks the same on 8.1 mpix anyways.
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wtf how did you get such beautiful pictures out the x10
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wtf how did you get such beautiful pictures out the x10
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The key is to use the right settings after how the circumstances is .
Can we please focus this thread on a direct comparison between the 2 devices?
I'm not worried, the X10s camera is excellent even in low light.
At the end of the day I know I can hold my phone any way I want to and it will work
X10 takes wonderful shots in macro mode or normal if you keep the sun behind you.
Also, i day light better use EV -3 or -7 depending on the light.
Also, just don't use the image stabilization
Will make your pictures look beautiful on display but way too soft if you zoom in.
At the end of the day, is a good camera.
There is no way in the world comparable with my old S5 IS but still a damn good camera.
Well, my opinion.
Wow, great pictures, guys. Does anyone have any guides on how to take better pictures with the X10? Your guys' insights have been excellent. I'm not a pro photographer but these tips have helped immensely.
I sure wish this camera had flash though. Regretfully the low light photos from even the best pros aren't as spectacular as can be. My fiance's N95 still blows the X10's camera away, at least as far as our comparison pics go. She's 100% Asian so of course she's a camera fanatic... I'm only half Asian so my picture taking skills are lacking lol
P.S. When we get a later version of Android, will the photo light be strong enough if someone created a camera flash application?
I ve Tried 3gs and x10
The camera in the x10 might be better in planned shots but daily use iphone is much more clear. I know this debate will have no resolution. pardon the pun. I want to love my phone but my wifes 3gs just seems better. I will keep fighting the good fight. Just my two cents. Want a great pic use your dslr, want a fun on the spot pic use your phone.
3gs seems better than our x10s? lol
Hi I just want to ask if updating our X10 to Android 2.1 will improve quality of pictures taken with camera.... I know that HD recording is provided, but It's not so importatnt for me. Xperia has 8.1 mpix matrix and strong CPU so it should take cristal photos, but it doesn't. Yesterday I compared quality with my father's Samsung Wave. It also has 1 GHz CPU but "only" 5 Mpix matrix of camera and the Wave takes uncomparable better photos. For example, I've taken a photo of a car from a distance both X10 and Wave.. After zooming in photos on the headsets number plate on the Wave was clear and with huge contrast, but on my X10 I couldn't even recognize numbers I wish to have a good photo camera in my X10.... it's a beautiful device
I think that my phone takes rather good pictures.. Compared to other phones that I've had.
I found that to be able to take good pics on the x10 you will have to adjust the settings manually. Using auto mode provides average photos. You can try "scn auto", it seems to provide better quality pics than "auto" for me
its possible that the SE X10 amera after uodate to 2.1 will take better pictures but it depends if they update the cameras rendering sotware in my opinion, ive previously owned the Samsung Omnia 1 samsung f480, in the case of the omnia 1 my picture quality wasdecent but not that good although the f480 had the same camera module the pictures were a lot better due to better camera software.
so its possible that if x10 gets a camera software uodate in the process it should take/render better images.
someone correct me if im wrong
Could You suggest me the best settings for camera app?
this is most likely due to a bug in X10 the picture blurs when you zoom in on the photo in the phone. Try comparing the 2 photos on a computer screen you may see a different result. The X10 takes very good photos.
jerrytea said:
this is most likely due to a bug in X10 the picture blurs when you zoom in on the photo in the phone. Try comparing the 2 photos on a computer screen you may see a different result. The X10 takes very good photos.
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I agree they are very good but I've noticed (in macro mode) that auto focus often pass by best lens position, and the lens came back to zero position (click audible) and photo loses contarst ...
Hi Karooluss
Im a little disappointed with the Xperia camera too. But I did some tests, and the problem probably it is the high compression used by the original camera software.
I took some picture using the Snap Photo Free, this software doesnt use the entire 8MP resolution, but you can set the JPEG quality to numbers like 90 or 95, getting very crisp and non blotchy photos.
I opened a thread here, looking for some help to find a alternative camera software for X10.
hxxp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=721312
update messed up my camera more...
date and time on camera
resolution etc is good. just need to know how to set date and time so it reflect on the photos taken. anybody able to advise?
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I agree they are very good but I've noticed (in macro mode) that auto focus often pass by best lens position, and the lens came back to zero position (click audible) and photo loses contarst ...
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YEA WHAT'S THAT SOUND!?! I HATE IT!
If i'm in macromode and trying to take a close up picture of something, it gets into focus, then it makes a click sound, and then it's out of focus! SO ANNOYING!
synlar said:
YEA WHAT'S THAT SOUND!?! I HATE IT!
If i'm in macromode and trying to take a close up picture of something, it gets into focus, then it makes a click sound, and then it's out of focus! SO ANNOYING!
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Slow down, Click is audible when autofocus is working... are You deaf ? Should I prepare Discovery Ch. material about X10 AF that You understand ?
Also, the wave has true color compared to x10. Zooming doesn't do it justice. On a pc you realize how good the camera is.
i think the x10 has the crappiest of all cameras available in the market.
my 3 yr old nokia n95 takes a 100 times better pics in any conditions compared to the x10.
And this is starting to make me dislike the device.. because i take a lot of pictures..
the x10 cannot even click a document properly..
huh
cvchetan said:
i think the x10 has the crappiest of all cameras available in the market.
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Are you sure?
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Are you sure?
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oh yaa... compared to all 3.2 mp+ cameras...
i just got my n73 outta the closet and even it takes better pics.... (its a 3.2 mp)
also my touch hd took amazing pics...
cvchetan said:
oh yaa... compared to all 3.2 mp+ cameras...
i just got my n73 outta the closet and even it takes better pics.... (its a 3.2 mp)
also my touch hd took amazing pics...
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what are u on about? i have an n73 as well and its pictures are vastly inferior to that of the x10.
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what are u on about? i have an n73 as well and its pictures are vastly inferior to that of the x10.
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try takin a picture of any page of a book in normal room lighting with both your phones.
upload them to the computer an see the difference...
I can be wrong, but I do believe the Sony Ericsson phones uses Sony's Cybershot software for the camera (Exclusive to Sony cameras and Sony Ericcson devices)
That should improve the overall experience, including image quality, alot. (Compared to android's/other manufacturers defaults)
I think that trying to update to a non Sony/Sony Ericsson solution makes things worse.
However. As I said:
I can be wrong as I'm not sure if this is the case and only something I've heard.
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I can be wrong, but I do believe the Sony Ericsson phones uses Sony's Cybershot software for the camera (Exclusive to Sony cameras and Sony Ericcson devices)
That should improve the overall experience, including image quality, alot. (Compared to android's/other manufacturers defaults)
I think that trying to update to a non Sony/Sony Ericsson solution makes things worse.
However. As I said:
I can be wrong as I'm not sure if this is the case and only something I've heard.
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SE uses the cybershot software only for the cybershot series. more over i dont think they might have ported the cybershot algorithms to android.
i dont want to say that the x10 has a camera that is crap based on the hardware.
the hardware cam is great, its just that sony has to work on the image processing algorithms and a lot of tweaks to the cam application..
also i think its a limitation of android 1.6 to support only 5 mp.. but i think sony did not do a good job in adding a 8.1 support to the android 1.6
may be the upcoming 2.1 update solves certain such issues..
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Updated with Camera 360 tests
Hi everyone. Today i was a little bored so i decided to take some test photos with my x10 and compare vs my wife's iphone 4. Now i am not a photographer or anything like that..These are just amateur photos taken with stock settings and stock camera apps on both phones. The x10 is set at 8mp,single autofocus and the iphone is 5mp HDR off. I have cleaned the lens on both phones to get as clearer picures as they can. Now i do have shaky hands and it wasnt easy to get steady photos especially with the x10 as the iphone shutter is very quick and its a little bit easier. Here are the photos untouched..just they came out of the phones.
Iphone 4
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Camera 360 first two bigger size dont know why they came out smaller first time.
Iphone 4 vs X10 Camera 360 Close up
Edit: Did some pics with Vignette but they come up to over 5mb and imgeshack wont let me upload them..will find some other hosting site that will and will upload them too Big difference between stock camera and Camera 360 and Vignette.
Let me know what you think and if you have any requests for more comparisons ask me and i will try my best to do them.
Well though to some people the colours of iphone may sound better but to me(as i have some knowledge about photography)the colours on X10 are better as they sound natural unlike the colours on iphone's pics which looks over warmed and unnatural and as far as clarity and detail is concerned there is no doubt that X10 is way better(though in case of X10 you still shaked a bit in some photos)but still thumbs up dude for this comparison and yeah i would once again say X10's camera is better then iphone's
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Well though to some people the colours of iphone may sound better but to me(as i have some knowledge about photography)the colours on X10 are better as they sound natural unlike the colours on iphone's pics which looks over warmed and unnatural and as far as clarity and detail is concerned there is no doubt that X10 is way better(though in case of X10 you still shaked a bit in some photos)but still thumbs up dude for this comparison and yeah i would once again say X10's camera is better then iphone's
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Yes, I agree with you. The colours taken by iphone is unnatural compared to photos taken by X10.
No doubt that SE camera is better than Apple, I think even other phone brand has better camera than iphone.
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Accuracy be damned. The pictures on the iphone look nicer, much nicer. And frankly, there is a strong blue tint to the x10 pictures, i find it hard to believe it was anywhere near that blue in real life.
I think we should post the poll in an iphone forum as well.. I mean its obvious the X10 is going to win here
I think 2 of the iphone pics were better than the X10, but yeah, once you zoom in, you can notice that the X10 pics were shaken a bit. Don't know if this is because the iphone is easier to hold or if the OP was simply so nervous about taking a pic with the X10 that he shook it
@OP:
1. Can you try turning image stabilization off in the X10.. I've found this has helped a lot
2. What about Vignette? We all know the stock camera isn't very good at post processing the image
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Accuracy be damned. The pictures on the iphone look nicer, much nicer. And frankly, there is a strong blue tint to the x10 pictures, i find it hard to believe it was anywhere near that blue in real life.
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Strange my wife said the same thing that the x10 pics are too blue but the Iphones pics on the other hand are too yellow... if you look at the road on the first pic upclose you will see its yellow and on the x10 is gray as it should be..
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I think we should post the poll in an iphone forum as well.. I mean its obvious the X10 is going to win here
I think 2 of the iphone pics were better than the X10, but yeah, once you zoom in, you can notice that the X10 pics were shaken a bit. Don't know if this is because the iphone is easier to hold or if the OP was simply so nervous about taking a pic with the X10 that he shook it
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Haha not nervous at all lol i just have shaky hands (too much coffee) the thing is that the iphones shutter is very quick and it takes the photo instantly as of the x10 i press the button and its slow so by the time it takes the pic my hands have moved? lol if that makes any sense..
@pngface the image stabilization is off actually and i will take some pics with Vignette tommorow i am pretty sure that even with the stock camera if i make some adjustments i would get better photos as it has so many options i wanted to do this to see how both cameras compare stock settings untouched. But i will make more photos tommorow possibly with vignette and will try different settings.
Does turning image stabilization off on the X10 actually give nicer photos? And if so, how could it?
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Great Comparison & X10 camera is way better than iPhone camera, no doubt about that. I'm not saying that x10 camera is perfect but it has more natural colours than iPhone camera. iPhone has overwarmed, unnatural yellowish colours.
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Does turning image stabilization off on the X10 actually give nicer photos? And if so, how could it?
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Image stabilize effectively blurs the image slightly as to merge your shaky bits with good bits
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Image stabilize effectively blurs the image slightly as to merge your shaky bits with good bits
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Hmmm....so by having image stabilization "on" you say it adds a slight blur to my pictures? Therefore, if I turn it off and take pictures the blur should be gone? Because I always had it on and have always noticed a slight blur in my pictures especially when I was comparing stock camera to vignette. Now, if this is the case maybe Im gonna have to recompare these two. But I guess vignette will still be better since that compression crap on the stock.
Forgetting about the colors (it's possible to adjust in post), in this default setting the iphone camera is much better. Just look at 100%, and you'll see what I'm talking about. The default x10 app compress the image too much, and the final details become a blurred mess (photo 2, compare the background wall, photo 4, look the trees and the leaves). I'm work as visual effects artist and have photography as hobby. Last month I opened a thread about a better camera app for x10, so I tried vignette but the results are not good. I don't know what happens (probably the demosaicing algorithm?), but at 100% you see very bad artifacts. I've been using Camera 360, it's a good alternative for the default app. In both apps you can set the image compression to none or very little, making the image more sharp. Anyway, I think even using very low compression the x10 will not be able to capture the detail that iphone captures.
I'm doing my best to be unbiased here. Yes, I hate the apple marketing...
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Forgetting about the colors (it's possible to adjust in post), in this default setting the iphone camera is much better. Just look at 100%, and you'll see what I'm talking about. The default x10 app compress the image too much, and the final details become a blurred mess (photo 2, compare the background wall, photo 4, look the trees and the leaves). I'm work as visual effects artist and have photography as hobby. Last month I opened a thread about a better camera app for x10, so I tried vignette but the results are not good. I don't know what happens (probably the demosaicing algorithm?), but at 100% you see very bad artifacts. I've been using Camera 360, it's a good alternative for the default app. In both apps you can set the image compression to none or very little, making the image more sharp. Anyway, I think even using very low compression the x10 will not be able to capture the detail that iphone captures.
I'm doing my best to be unbiased here. Yes, I hate the apple marketing...
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Hmmm...I'm really pleased with vignette pictures....much nicer than stock..however now I'm gonna go try camera 360 like you suggested and compare. Thanks
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Nokia N8 versus X10 versus Iphone 4
Generally speaking (according to this test), the N8 has the best camera, followed by the X10 and then the iPhone 4 (although those last two are a close call).
However, based on the pictures posted in this thread, the Iphone 4 is obviously superior in capturing detail. The difference between the two phones is quite large.
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Hard to say which is better, for IPhone colors are oversaturated and our X10 sometimes fails in resolving details. Anyway a true shoot out must have and a third parties for benchmark - let say a midrange DSLR.
I totally agree with guys who voted for X10. I thought Nokia was leader with oversaturated colours but now I see Apple takes the lead . Only better image that iphone made is last one, and that is because x10 shaked.
Blueish tint generally shows if light source shoots into lens, or image is overexposed, and x10 images are bit overexposed, so feel free to adjust EV
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Hmmm....so by having image stabilization "on" you say it adds a slight blur to my pictures? Therefore, if I turn it off and take pictures the blur should be gone? Because I always had it on and have always noticed a slight blur in my pictures especially when I was comparing stock camera to vignette. Now, if this is the case maybe Im gonna have to recompare these two. But I guess vignette will still be better since that compression crap on the stock.
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Exactly! Stick wit non stock
X10 is better, the Iphone 4 dont look natural and the Quality of X10 is better. But i never make Image Stabilizator on becouse without it the Pictures look better but when you click the Button it shakes so i make the most of the Photos with the Touchscreen.
stabilisation use only in low light situation, when trying to capture still object
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Accuracy be damned. The pictures on the iphone look nicer, much nicer. And frankly, there is a strong blue tint to the x10 pictures, i find it hard to believe it was anywhere near that blue in real life.
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Most people share that opinion when they move from a point and shoot compact camera to a semi professional SLR. The iphone haves too much post processing to increase the saturation of warmer colors. If you do get into photography you know what is good and real color is much better then the over processed ones as you may or may not post process it in photoshop to suit your goal on each specific photo.
From my point of view the X10 wins hands down. That said, I won't be using mine that much as it stands miles away from the quality I get with my Canon and Sony DSLRs.
So What you think about your SP camera . is it good, avg or below avg .
comment on this thread and share your views , and also some reasons for your views
for me its good but it needs some fixes like noise reduction and most impotently highly oversaturated colors some time . in macro mode, pictures behind the main object are noisy (not blurry) and pics in low light with flash, are so yellowish
I think photos in low-light cause white objects to turn out greenish. Also, the camera app or something automatically sharpens the image, making it look unnaturally sharp and blotchy when zoomed in. Would like more controls to turn this sharpen on and off, as well as a 'set' mode for the white balance.
The camera button always opens the camera app in a 'default' mode and doesn't remember any previous settings too, so I always have to open from the app drawer to make sure premium auto isn't set.
Does anyone notice any differences with image stabilization turned on or off?
Theres the good:
http://i.imgur.com/jiZ6U0J.jpg
The "pretty decent":
http://i.imgur.com/cND6Yy3.jpg
The alright:
http://i.imgur.com/B0NGRtU.jpg
And the bad:
http://i.imgur.com/1JZYaFA.jpg
Overall i'd say if you value the camera a lot don't buy this, but if you don't take pictures every day this is fine
Sinse Exmor R sensors on iPhone 4s/5, S3 and Note 2 are excellent, the Exmor RS sensor inside SP should be better, but Sony software ruins it.
As long as there's a lot of light the camera is great but when it gets dark the camera captures too much noise
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compare my own Xperia Ray & SP.
finding SP sucks.
Views on Xperia SP Camera
Positives:
Vivid colors
good camera UI and lots of effects,options
HD Video recording quality is good
seperate hardware 2-stage shutter key, instant photos from sleep
'Document mode' is wonderful-text in magazine pages/books are captured sharply
Negatives
Noise- all pictures have noise other than those with bright light
Previewing a taken photo and getting back to shooting mode takes long time(lag?)
no Burst mode
HDR mode is overly-artificial
very poor 'Low light' shots
Overall, SP's camera is good for day-to-day use but not exceptional and I will need to carry my digital camera for vacations
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camera comparison between Xperia L , Galaxy Maga 5.8 and SP . results are so bad for 8mp camera of SP compared to its price
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=5363&idPhone2=5396&idPhone3=5364
xPeRiA_RaVi said:
camera comparison between Xperia L , Galaxy Maga 5.8 and SP . results are so bad for 8mp camera of SP compared to its price
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=5363&idPhone2=5396&idPhone3=5364
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L performing better than SP, lol sony
It's a phone, not a camera.
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technaudio said:
It's a phone, not a camera.
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Agree with you. Please stop complaining about the camera guys.. If u need a better camera phone go for ZR or Z.
Even Xperia S have 12 MP camera and its sucks. . .
For that price the camera is ok for SP. Pls stop complaining...
And pls dont blame me anyone because of this comment.. If any one do that means i will forget XDA rules...
rajeevxperia said:
Agree with you. Please stop complaining about the camera guys.. If u need a better camera phone go for ZR or Z.
Even Xperia S have 12 MP camera and its sucks. . .
For that price the camera is ok for SP. Pls stop complaining...
And pls dont blame me anyone because of this comment.. If any one do that means i will forget XDA rules...
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The camera is worse than the camera on older devices with the same price and devices with cheaper prices too so I disagree
Sony has a long history with digital cameras AND has also made the Exmor RS sensor, so they should have known what they were doing on the camera
You can see the comparisson here: http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=4134&idPhone2=5364&idPhone3=4238
Arc S - old and cheaper
S3 - old and only slightly more expensive
Also, if you just want a "phone" you should really just get a $20 one because that makes calls and sends text messages too, as you don't seem to want extra functionalities
ZakooZ said:
The camera is worse than the camera on older devices with the same price and devices with cheaper prices too so I disagree
Sony has a long history with digital cameras AND has also made the Exmor RS sensor, so they should have known what they were doing on the camera
You can see the comparisson here: http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=4134&idPhone2=5364&idPhone3=4238
Arc S - old and cheaper
S3 - old and only slightly more expensive
Also, if you just want a "phone" you should really just get a $20 one because that makes calls and sends text messages too, as you don't seem to want extra functionalities
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Ha ha .. I agree. I dont want to fight here.. Because i am not a photographer. I bought this phone for Gaming and other stuff. Because i am a mad gamer.. And i am not taking photos much. So dont care about it..
May be sony will do a software update for this... I hope so....
And i am not disappointed with the price bro. Because i got it for 19500 Indian Ruppes.. No bill and warrenty..
Any way my wishes for u guys for a better camera update from Sony soon....
The update for the Z made my phone so much better, so I hope the SP will get a similar tweak soon.
I've had one update so far on my SP (review phone from Sony) but can't see any change to the camera, and it still has the grey background.
I am sure the camera can be made good. Stick with it!
Today I went to pay my phone bill and a Sony guy was in the carrer's store (Telcel, MX). We spent about 30 minutes comparing and testing the ZL against the SP.
Both phones feel the same weight on the hand, not too much difference between the 1080P screen on the ZL from the 720P on the SP. And most important: Camera SUCKS on the ZL I know it's software problem, the SP on Superior Auto offered better ilumination on the same picture. I don't use Superior Auto, "Normal" mode works a lot better for me.
ZL wins in IR LED, bigger screen and Quad core performance...but let's keep in mind this: The SP is a mid-range phone that can compete with last year flagships.
As I said, the Z had an update to massively improve the camera. Maybe the ZL you saw hadn't had this update?
But I would say the SP is an excellent phone for the money. SIM free in the UK from Clove, you can get it for £300. Most high end models will be £500-600 so that's a big saving.
My wife thinks the Z is too big and loves the SP, so I expect Sony should sell a fair few of them.
can someone upload SemcCameraUI.apk
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can someone upload SemcCameraUI.apk
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SemcCameraUI.apk from SP
Average
Though SP's camera does good in good lighting, in low light the images are downright bad. Superior auto is actually the worse performer than the normal mode. All these just don't cut for a device in it's price range. Hope a software update resolves the issue.
I still went for SP due to its Processor & GPU. It blows S3 & One X/X+ in benchmarks, gaming, web browsing etc. And besides one better use a good digicam for nice pics. The indoor party shots would be "ok" at best with any other camera phone unless its Nokia's PureView.
Z1 vs HTC one camera test / comparison - Vote please.
@ Mods please move this thread in general if it doesn't belong here , ty !
ok so my cousins came at my place with 2 Z1's , we've taken them to test them out , it was cloudy day , as for flash light photos / indoor no flash photos z1 trully sux big time and they didn't want to let me have those photos , so all i have is daylight photos and 1 flash light and 1 indoor , don't ask how i got those 2 lol it was PAIN.
While taking pics z1 really has major issues with superior auto / white balance , while with manual it's slightly better but still not good enough imo due timing , they've took both pics with me average 3/4 pics each and average 2-3 mins took them for each pic with various settings at the end choosing the best outta 7/8 they took while i was snapping either 1 normal or some HDR pics that's about it. They've also deleted so many daylight photos where they were worse then me ... so not really an *FAIR* comparison due them being big time Sony fanboys and they're very stubborn and not accepting their camera isn't the best in the world lol.
Keep in mind i have no skills with camera tho my cousins know how camera works so they're more experienced then i am.
Anyway i'll let you judge the photos and i'll open a vote poll so vote for which you think it won overall.
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great
except for the cloud one Which z1 has more natural
i cant believe htc beats z1 camera lol
thats epic hahaha
btw some of the colors are saturated for z1
for me htc one picture are pretty awesome
bith cameras are like same 4mp vs 21 lol
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I'm still uploading Photos i got 50 more to go please wait before i finish
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Koje selo i država brate? ?
Htc One the One ?
Slovakia?
But sticking to topic, Z1 doesn't looks to good with 21mpx sensor. I would say that One has slight edge here
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Slovakia?
But sticking to topic, Z1 doesn't looks to good with 21mpx sensor. I would say that One has slight edge here
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Its Serbia actually
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I like the saturation in the Z1, but the HTC definitely capture more detail in low light with less noise. My conclusion is to use the HTC with a +.5 step in saturation.
In my opinin, and yes, I am a Z1 owner... seeing as you were using the Z1 in manual mode, you either had the ISO too low (50??) or you didn't adjust the EV accordingly as the Z1 pictures just look too dark really?
When in manual mode, you really need to take advantage of the settings
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I like the saturation in the Z1, but the HTC definitely capture more detail in low light with less noise. My conclusion is to use the HTC with a +.5 step in saturation.
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We've took photos @ around 10/11am lol , the saturation you like on z1 is cuz they had to use cloudy / daylight white balance due impossibility to come close to my pics , here few examples for you just so you see what I mean , anyway it wouldn't look realistic since there were no sun at all pretty much whole time. Only 2 pics had sun and that's it.
1st pic normal 2nd with daylight effect same as they used the whole time
I assume this is what you wanted ?
Keep in mind it was cloudy no sun at all , that why pics are less saturated on my phone but as you can see in the examples I could've done that but wouldn't represent realistic colors
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I guess there is something to that mega pixel after all. Both cameras took good pictures and mostly comes down to settings. At least the Xperia don't suffer from the purple haze that many of us one owners has.
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I guess there is something to that mega pixel after all. Both cameras took good pictures and mostly comes down to settings. At least the Xperia don't suffer from the purple haze that many of us one owners has.
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It actually has indoor some yellow / blue tint , you can see on the indoor pic , btw I don't have that sensor issue that many HTC one owners do.
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In my opinin, and yes, I am a Z1 owner... seeing as you were using the Z1 in manual mode, you either had the ISO too low (50??) or you didn't adjust the EV accordingly as the Z1 pictures just look too dark really?
When in manual mode, you really need to take advantage of the settings
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Exifs are there for all the pics
The Z1 user set white balance appropriately and actually used -EV compensation for a number of shots, might have over done it in some places. it's a difficult call. Auto isn't mature yet on the Z1, whereas the HTC one has been out for ages and from what i could tell the HTC camera took all the shots in auto. No tweaks.
The close up on the tree bark actually has the Z1 produce a blurred shot, dunno how that happened. Shutter was fast enough so no chance of camera shake.
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ok so my cousins came at my place with 2 Z1's , we've taken them to test them out , it was cloudy day , as for flash light photos / indoor no flash photos z1 trully sux big time and they didn't want to let me have those photos , so all i have is daylight photos and 1 flash light and 1 indoor , don't ask how i got those 2 lol it was PAIN.
While taking pics z1 really has major issues with superior auto / white balance , while with manual it's slightly better but still not good enough imo due timing , they've took both pics with me average 3/4 pics each and average 2-3 mins took them for each pic with various settings at the end choosing the best outta 7/8 they took while i was snapping either 1 normal or some HDR pics that's about it.
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What i'd like to understand better is this brightness value i see in the HTC exifs, it seems to change for each shot and wondered if any of the htc guys can tell me more about it. First thing you see is the HTC shots are all brighter, and in some cases more than necessary.
Questions to the OP
- how long have the Z1 owners had their phone and how long have you had yours.
- indicate which photo pairs are HDR (if any) ?
- Can you clarify whether the Z1 took the shots in 20MP or 8MP.
- Which program did you use to resize down to 1.4MP ?
- i don't understand what happened with the indoor shots. Saying they were really bad does not make sense to me. Without seeing the shots there is no way to comment.
- How about a low light shoot-out. I want to see shutter speeds of 0.3s on your htc and we'll see how that compares with the 0.8s on the Z1. Take care to stabilise the cameras so as not to have blur. If your cousins know what they're doing this should not be a problem for them
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They've also deleted so many daylight photos where they were worse then me ... so not really an *FAIR* comparison due them being big time Sony fanboys and they're very stubborn and not accepting their camera isn't the best in the world lol.
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Actually this is fair, you should have done the same as this way it really is best that the cameras can do. These are pre-planned shots, you can take as much time as you want. There is no time deadline or any other constraints. When people put up their pics many times they put up the best of many. So this is normal.
Auto isn't mature on the Z1, it will take time. This means the skill of the Z1 owner needs to be better. The difference with ISO for instance can be signficant and not slight as you put it, auto can bump ISO up very high resulting in a noisy shot whereas you can get pretty good results if you set it manually. Your cousins did this already. Most reviewers do not.
This should not come as a surprise to an HTC owner, you have plenty of tweaks you can use as well. However, things like contrast, sharpness, saturation etc would not be fair as they're not present on the Z1 and can be done in post with better software. i note you did not use any of these 3 in any photos
great comparsion
for me htc one looks better , btw the photos is great
does your htc one camera sometimes show in screen regular noise while capturing photos? i want to know if this is a regular thing or only my unit does this .. another question , does your phone suffer from blue/red noise in dark or no ? i hope no:good:
wezzel98765 said:
In my opinin, and yes, I am a Z1 owner... seeing as you were using the Z1 in manual mode, you either had the ISO too low (50??) or you didn't adjust the EV accordingly as the Z1 pictures just look too dark really?
When in manual mode, you really need to take advantage of the settings
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Hello there , I didn't even use z1 , I've wrote in OP that I was using my one and my 2 cousins were using 2 z1's taking each 3/4 pics each in total of 7/8 and later picking the best pic outta 7/8.
They look dark because HTC really has outstanding HDR while z1 really is no match with hdr.
From my observation with those difficult scenes z1 was useless , you could make pic but you would have to chose either sky/ clouds or ground , there's no option to take both like with HTC's hdr.
oh and believe my cousins were only using manual since superior auto was completely useless.
One Twelve confirmed this by checking Exifs.
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Exifs are there for all the pics
The Z1 user set white balance appropriately and actually used -EV compensation for a number of shots, might have over done it in some places. it's a difficult call. Auto isn't mature yet on the Z1, whereas the HTC one has been out for ages and from what i could tell the HTC camera took all the shots in auto. No tweaks.
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Yeah you're right. Like I said all I was using was auto or hdr , nothing else.
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The close up on the tree bark actually has the Z1 produce a blurred shot, dunno how that happened. Shutter was fast enough so no chance of camera shake.
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I guess the cousin moved lol.
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What i'd like to understand better is this brightness value i see in the HTC exifs, it seems to change for each shot and wondered if any of the htc guys can tell me more about it. First thing you see is the HTC shots are all brighter, and in some cases more than necessary.
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The shots are brighter cuz of hdr , with z1 if you point at the sky for example bottom gets dark and it's clearly impossible for z1 to balance that due to poor hdr capabilities where's the htc one handles this easily.
My guess about brightness change is probably meetering and our auto / hdr can use higher values then what we can in manual.
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Questions to the OP
- how long have the Z1 owners had their phone and how long have you had yours.
- indicate which photo pairs are HDR (if any) ?
- Can you clarify whether the Z1 took the shots in 20MP or 8MP.
- Which program did you use to resize down to 1.4MP ?
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- I've had HTC one since June , my cousins have their Z1's since it came out ( as addition they've been with Sony since SE K300I , so trust me they know what they're doing lol )
- All photos that have sky / clouds +ground = hdr , the rest were normal.
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- i don't understand what happened with the indoor shots. Saying they were really bad does not make sense to me. Without seeing the shots there is no way to comment.
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- trust me it was embarrassing shots which is why they didn't let me have them , I managed to get only 1 flash photo and only 1 indoor no flash photo , I was looking forward to upload those but unluckily they didn't let me have them.
- Dunno which mp they used all I know is they used manual settings.
- I didn't use any program to resize photos , all I did is upload the photos from pc to tinypic site and post them here.
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- How about a low light shoot-out. I want to see shutter speeds of 0.3s on your htc and we'll see how that compares with the 0.8s on the Z1. Take care to stabilise the cameras so as not to have blur. If your cousins know what they're doing this should not be a problem for them
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Like I said there's no low light shots Thx to them , tho in almost pitch black no flash z1 was better , everywhere else worse. Even video recording low light due fact I can record video at same brightness as the shots you saw lol. ( hdr recording ) also in pitch black z1 can't come close since my flash is about 2x more powerful.
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Actually this is fair, you should have done the same as this way it really is best that the cameras can do. These are pre-planned shots, you can take as much time as you want. There is no time deadline or any other constraints. When people put up their pics many times they put up the best of many. So this is normal.
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I don't have the nerves for that I just want point and shoot not wasting time to set all the settings , the moment will pass by the time settings are set.
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Auto isn't mature on the Z1, it will take time. This means the skill of the Z1 owner needs to be better. The difference with ISO for instance can be signficant and not slight as you put it, auto can bump ISO up very high resulting in a noisy shot whereas you can get pretty good results if you set it manually. Your cousins did this already. Most reviewers do not.
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Yeah I've noticed that superior auto is utter **** lol.
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This should not come as a surprise to an HTC owner, you have plenty of tweaks you can use as well. However, things like contrast, sharpness, saturation etc would not be fair as they're not present on the Z1 and can be done in post with better software. i note you did not use any of these 3 in any photos
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Yeah I'm just one of those point and shot , sometime switch to hdr and that's about it. Tho I gotta say I play with settings when I'm bored but when taking pics pretty much point and shoot.
Nightf0x_007 said:
great comparsion
for me htc one looks better , btw the photos is great
does your htc one camera sometimes show in screen regular noise while capturing photos? i want to know if this is a regular thing or only my unit does this .. another question , does your phone suffer from blue/red noise in dark or no ? i hope no:good:
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I guess I get sometimes with flash noise untill it focuses after that all normal , no tints here pretty much perfect unit.
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Great post. It is nice to see almost a year in and our camera is still up there with its so called Ultra-pixels which is just a fancy word for mega-pixel. I never doubted this phones camera always served me well and even made a 2 hour long home movie to send back home.. Great phone but i think if sony put time and effort into their software they can get the camera up and running in brilliant quality too..
Shan89 said:
They look dark because HTC really has outstanding HDR while z1 really is no match with hdr.
From my observation with those difficult scenes z1 was useless , you could make pic but you would have to chose either sky/ clouds or ground , there's no option to take both like with HTC's hdr.
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HDR takes multiple exposures and combines them. You have no control over this process. Given that auto isn't mature with Z1, it follows that neither will HDR be mature on Z1.
If you want good quality photos, then try not to use HDR. why ? jpg is lossy. jpg + jpg + jpg = even more lossy. Also takes longer as you have to wait for 'processing images' before taking next shot.
About sky/ground, what you do is use spot metering. If you spot on the clouds, the ground becomes dark, on the ground you blow out the sky, you have to spot somewhere in the middle. Now if the subjects are in the same focal plane then you can get away with this otherwise HDR is the only option as focus will not be at infinity. HDR is a compromise in this particular case to get you better exposed shot.
Its not required for every shot, only where there is big difference in lighting between foreground and background and subjects are in many planes that you want to keep more or less in focus. Personally, unless its landscape type photo this can be distracting, better to keep the subject in sharp focus and forget if the rest is blurred, it will make for a better shot.
In camera HDR is a recent 'innovation'. If you want the best HDR, then take 5 exposures from -2 to +2 with camera on a tripod, use a HDR speicialised program to combine them on a PC and then see the results compared to the 'poor man's HDR' the camera provides.
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Yeah you're right. Like I said all I was using was auto or hdr , nothing else.
The shots are brighter cuz of hdr , with z1 if you point at the sky for example bottom gets dark and it's clearly impossible for z1 to balance that due to poor hdr capabilities where's the htc one handles this easily.
My guess about brightness change is probably meetering and our auto / hdr can use higher values then what we can in manual.
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Then i would look only at the pics where HDR was not used in this comparison. HTC one has had many months to improve HDR, it did not come perfect out of the box. Same with Z1.
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- I've had HTC one since June , my cousins have their Z1's since it came out ( as addition they've been with Sony since SE K300I , so trust me they know what they're doing lol )
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Z1 has been out now just under two months, takes time to get to know its quirks. Each phone camera is different. Since they set WB & EV i can tell they are not complete n00bs. But more hands on time is always better than less. Photographer is more important than camera.
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- Dunno which mp they used all I know is they used manual settings.
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If you have the originals, then look at the resolution. the 20MP will be (5248 x 3936) and the 8MP will be (3840 x 2160) or (3,264 x 2,448) . File sizes will also be bigger. I think they have used 20MP for all, can you confirm ?
This matters because currently you will get better shots with Z1 in 8MP 4:3 than with 20MP. Noise control is much better due to oversampling. Also 8MP means you can use different SCN modes which is not possible with 20MP. For low light shots or indoors this will make a difference.
For now we can say 20MP means 2x zoom is better than lower resolution sensors. Photos at 20MP are not necessarily better than 8MP. I wish these cameras put out RAW because then we will really see what the camera can do instead of what the compression program is doing to create those jpgs
When people make comments about camera they are primarily commenting about
1) auto and how well it works
2) image compression algorithm. good compression + good quality means more time + more CPU, a phone is not the best place to do this. So you can take the next shot quick, compromises are made here which affect image quality.
3) stock camera app. 3rd party apps in playstore may do a better job in certain situations.
So we still do not get to see what the camera can do without these other factors interfering in the process with ANY phone camera.
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- I didn't use any program to resize photos , all I did is upload the photos from pc to tinypic site and post them here.
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It was a good choice for image host because inspite of resizing it still preserved the exif data. Many others strip it out. I was surprised to see them. So you passed the minimum test here
Better still would be to resize them yourself with a good quality program and then upload. How well these image sites do resize is not transparent. They have to handle lots of load.
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- trust me it was embarrassing shots which is why they didn't let me have them , I managed to get only 1 flash photo and only 1 indoor no flash photo , I was looking forward to upload those but unluckily they didn't let me have them.
Like I said there's no low light shots Thx to them , tho in almost pitch black no flash z1 was better , everywhere else worse. Even video recording low light due fact I can record video at same brightness as the shots you saw lol. ( hdr recording ) also in pitch black z1 can't come close since my flash is about 2x more powerful.
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I'm trying to figure what you mean here. The only clue is flash is 2x more powerful. So in cases where a more powerful flash helps the Z1 could not compete but there are cases where your flash will be over powering and the Z1 will be just right. This isn't a problem because you can always diffuse the light by putting some paper on the flash. Where the more powerful flash has an edge is in freezing motion if subject is moving with low light, so long as it happens less than 6 feet away. But then flash makes for lousy photos since its direct at the subject and not reflected. Big problem with phone cameras currently. They always locate the flash below the lens instead of above it. I don't why this is. There is no off camera flash option available as yet. eg. you cannot bounce the flash of the ceiling and get better photos.
But why to use the flash in the first place, when both cameras can do good low light photos. None of the subjects in the photos were moving so there should not be a problem here.
We don't know what your cousins were thinking. Embarrassing does not say much, why was it embarrassing and what could be done to make it better. There are many indoors shots with Z1 in the photo thread, nothing embarrassing there.
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I don't have the nerves for that I just want point and shoot not wasting time to set all the settings , the moment will pass by the time settings are set.
Yeah I'm just one of those point and shot , sometime switch to hdr and that's about it. Tho I gotta say I play with settings when I'm bored but when taking pics pretty much point and shoot.
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This applies for impromptu shots. How often does this happen for you ? Not a single one of your sample shots comes in this category. My feeling is these impromptu shots are maybe 5% of the time. These are the hardest to get, subject may be moving and you will not get a good shot, you will get an ok to bad shot.
The rest of the time you can plan, take many shots, play with angles for better composition etc. But the thing about camera in your pocket is at least you have a camera in the first place and if the time is there you will get the shot whereas before you had nothing.
People say you are not supposed to get good photos because this is only a phone camera. But with more capable cameras they take lots of effort to get a good photo because its a good camera. Makes no sense. To get a good shot with phone camera you have to work harder because there are more limitations. This means more possibilities as well.
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Yeah I've noticed that superior auto is utter **** lol.
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And what about 3 months from now ? will your statement still be valid.
if you follow the evolution of the Z, it took anywhere from 3-5 months after launch to get it right. So there is no reason it will change with Z1, maybe it might come sooner. This unfortunately is a sony thing. others will put out cameras that are mature but have bugs elsewhere. Nobody puts out a perfect phone at launch. Look hard enough and you will see the bugs, what matters is whether the vendor is prepared to fix them or not. How good is their past record in doing this.
But the reviewers always get the latest & greatest and then move on, they do not bother to review after 3 months. People also want latest & greatest and then find its not mature and think its bad. But after 3 months they change their mind. Just see the photo threads for any flagship here and you see the same comments. My <old phone> takes better photos than this <new phone>. very predictable :laugh:
if you look at HTC photo thread, around march-may, reviewers were complaining that htc is oversharpening images because they can see halos around the edges. What is the solution ? set sharpness to -2 or -1 gives a softer image and no halos. So htc got bashed quite a bit too. In fact i think htc is most bashed camera out there because everybody thinks 4MP is not enough. But what can they use to display 4MP ? there are no 4k displays out there or they are very expensive. Full HD is only 2MP. you can still print 10x14 inch prints with 4MP. But no... 4MP on HTC is not enough or bad. pfft.
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I guess I get sometimes with flash noise untill it focuses after that all normal , no tints here pretty much perfect unit.
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This is one thing that still i'm not able to understand. 300 pg thread on this omg!. There are theories around but nothing conclusive as yet. Some people are saying the heat does it over time. With Z1 if it gets too hot you will not be able to use the camera. So too much heating over a long time is supposed to cause this problem with tinting. Its such a pity to replace the phone after only 6 months :crying:
This tinting is the problem as i see it with htc one. Not 4MP.
Too many peoples and companies think megapixels means quality, while using very poor sensors. They keep trying to push this rumor/agenda
A better sensor>>>>>megapixel count
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Too many peoples and companies think megapixels means quality, while using very poor sensors. They keep trying to push this rumor/agenda
A better sensor>>>>>megapixel count
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Exactly +1
@One Twelve
I'm sorry I can't bother answering to all questions etc , simply just take a look at photos and you got answer.
As for hdr stuff you wrote HTC one takes less then 0.5 Sec to make hdr photo and ready for next , I'm sure it takes over 20 sec to set z1 to make similar photo which is still no match.
As for fllash HTC one has smart flash = we.have 5 modes = it can fire up very low light or super strong light , this is why z1 will never match htc one in flash light photos , especially if photos are 1/2+ meters away , z1 is useless in this distance.
As for ceiling HTC one gets better flash photos when there are walls then when there aren't.
I can take photo outdoor pitch black about 5/7 meters away , indoor I can go up to 10 , if I increase exposure and lower contrast I can go even further.
HTC one also in long distance low light photos can take hdr + flash light = it gathers light from flash as well and makes overall picture more light.
With 4:3 HTC one also makes better photos then in 16:9 also sharper.
By the time z1 gets / if it gets fixed we will have updates as well + one 2 will be out by that time and more fair comparison would be one 2 due being newer 4/5 month's instead comparison vs HTC one which is 7 months older
As for Xperia Z I've took test with my cousins as well since they had XZ before z1 , I've literally raped Xz , I'll ask them to send me that test and upload it as well.
As for movement + picturing z1 will never match HTC ZOE.
here few samples for you so you see why :sly:
Btw all this pics were quiet tricky movement and impossible with burst shot or regular , but ZOE handles movement quiet easy.
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If I am to judge, I'd say for the most part, the z1 does seem more pleasing. You seem to be abusing the hdr alot on the Htc one. The colors are washed out as hell. I can tell because I use the htc one as well.
I'll say this, neither the z1 nor the HTC One's hdr are good. Only the HTC One has a minor advantage.
If you are going to use HDR, set your ISO to 100, AF/AE lock on a bright light source AND THEN switch to HDR. This way your HDR will look much better than just using HDR right off the bat.
The first pic, I used HDR right off the bat. Looks washed out, basically it looks terrible
The second pic, I set ISO100, AE/AF lock on my ceiling light, switched to HDR. Much better colors.
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I'm sorry I can't bother answering to all questions etc , simply just take a look at photos and you got answer.
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Too bad, i guess it will fall upon somebody else to challenge otherwise my points stand.
Z1 isn't ready for a HDR shootout. It is ready for non-hdr manual shootout. When i have time i will select the non-hdr shots in your group and we will see the differences.
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As for fllash HTC one has smart flash = we.have 5 modes = it can fire up very low light or super strong light , this is why z1 will never match htc one in flash light photos , especially if photos are 1/2+ meters away , z1 is useless in this distance.
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This bit is interesting. i don't think any other android camera can vary the intensity of flash light based upon what the camera sees. This is an advantage with indoor shots. Does not mean you cannot get acceptable ones in Z1 or any other that does not have this ability, its just harder. And once you know what to do its no longer harder.
So I'm not going with ease of use, i'm interested in whether its possible to take the shot or not. This is a better indication of limitations.
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HTC one also in long distance low light photos can take hdr + flash light = it gathers light from flash as well and makes overall picture more light.
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ok
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I can take photo outdoor pitch black about 5/7 meters away , indoor I can go up to 10 , if I increase exposure and lower contrast I can go even further.
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Useful but difficult to get right. People look more cold than warm. This is why the push to improve low light handling so there is little need to use flash in the first place. Flash photography on a mobile phone is difficult.
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With 4:3 HTC one also makes better photos then in 16:9 also sharper.
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Surprising as i thought htc one has a native 16:9 sensor. Everybody else uses 4:3. So smaller pics come out better with 4:3 than 16:9.
So i'd have thought 16:9 is best aspect ratio for htc one.
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By the time z1 gets / if it gets fixed we will have updates as well + one 2 will be out by that time and more fair comparison would be one 2 due being newer 4/5 month's instead comparison vs HTC one which is 7 months older
As for Xperia Z I've took test with my cousins as well since they had XZ before z1 , I've literally raped Xz , I'll ask them to send me that test and upload it as well.
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Yeah, do that lets see the difference. Ensure the exifs are visible. After looking at the photo thread for Z, i changed my mind about what most people think about the Z. I would like to understand in which way the htc one 'rapes' the Z
I note that htc one does not indicate which firmware number is being used. So can you mention which one was used to take your photos.
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As for movement + picturing z1 will never match HTC ZOE.
here few samples for you so you see why :sly:
Btw all this pics were quiet tricky movement and impossible with burst shot or regular , but ZOE handles movement quiet easy.
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I don't follow, with enough light you have a fast shutter speed so why is it hard to get those shots ?
What does ZOE do here that you cannot do without it.