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Action Item!! Petition to Increase Apps Partition

If you're anything like me, you're frustrated with having only 300MB of an 8GB drive available to install applications. Sure, custom firmware is a potential solution, but should we really have to void our warranties for basic, no-brainer functionality? I say no! Sign this petition, and once we have a demonstrated body of people interested, we can all make Archos aware of it.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/archosgen8
Thanks, friends.

thiazzi said:
If you're anything like me, you're frustrated with having only 300MB of an 8GB drive available to install applications. Sure, custom firmware is a potential solution, but should we really have to void our warranties for basic, no-brainer functionality? I say no! Sign this petition, and once we have a demonstrated body of people interested, we can all make Archos aware of it.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/archosgen8
Thanks, friends.
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as I wrote [EDIT] on Archosfans forum [/EDIT] 1GB is fine for the A43 and up considering the uSD slot, but max I could accept for my A32 would be to go to a max of 512MB.
I'd doubt that A28 owners would want to give ANY space up at all, but it's even more limited as far as storage goes than the A32 and I'd have to call it of questionable usefulness for apps given that I really only run apps on the A32 in a pinch. (Probably because I find the ultra low res annoying... not to mention the A28 is also further constrained by available RAM...)

Right, so an optional firmware update or modification would be ideal. I trust the folks are Archos are savvy enough to account for everybody's needs.

If you have root (Archangel works) try Move2SD Enabler.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=720739
Its fantastic, read the instructions and don't move any system apps or apps using widgets.

I have installed move2sd enabler, and it definitely helps. However, if you like to read a lot like I do and have Kobo, Nook, Kindle, Aldiko, and OverDrive installed, they still leave a combined total of like 30MB+ on the system storage! That's 10 percent or more of the app partition just for books. Throw in a couple of games like Pocket Legends and Angry Birds, and you're cooked!
I wish more devs would be like the folks that made Highborn or Shadow Era, and only leave like 300KB of the original 44MB apk on system storage, but I think petitioning Archos is more likely to help our little Gen 8 community more immediately.
Thanks for the sigs, folks. We're already up over 20!

You know actually thinking about this the gTablet and many other just allocate 2GB to app storage, which I wouldn't mind either. OTOH I think that I've barely used 425MB or so max on the gTab at one time or another...
IIRC many games with "HUGE" (well for mobile devices) seem to prefer to put their data in /sdcard which depending upon device is actually the SD card(or uSD) or the leftover internal flash not assigned to system or data etc. I must admit to not having really paid attention to how the Archos tabs do it as I've left bothof mine bog standard stock fw plus various additional apps which suits me for what I use them for.
(Even my phone is stock but that's gonna have to change as it has even LESS storage for apps which is also shared for things like messaging... but I'm going to try to hold out for the next update then go to a CM7 variant that pushes apps out onto the uSD...)

Would rather they made it an option (like the FAT32/ext3 choice).
Making it compulsory and 1gb is not in everyones interests. Some users will instill no apps or very few and want all the storage for music/movies etc. Forcing 1GB apps area on them is wrong and will also mean archos are not providing the advertised storage in these users eyes.
I suggest we request they add an option to either turn on/off the larger 1GB apps area. Or have a drop down box where the user can choose apps area. Say; 300MB (Standard/Default), 500MB, 750MB, 1GB & 2GB. This way the user can choose the most suitable apps partaition size for themselves and on the flipside Archos are still providing (selling) the advertised data storage out of the box.
Not sure how but, if others agree, can we ammend this petition so we are asking archos to allow the user to select a larger apps partition either 1GB (yes/no arrangement) or select apps partition size from a small list.
Would this idea not be much better for all concerned.
Kind Regards
John

I don't support this petition and think the devs should rather spend their time with something more important. I only install the applications I need and uninstall everything I don't need. If one really needs more, then he can install Uruk.

1Gb might be a little too much : I only have the 8gb model (hopefully I have a 16Gb sd card)!

Unmensch said:
I don't support this petition and think the devs should rather spend their time with something more important. I only install the applications I need and uninstall everything I don't need. If one really needs more, then he can install Uruk.
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Even if you uninstall you will find that you are still eating up space. Furthermore, using UrukDroid voids your warranty and this shouldn't be required. The 101 was advertised with 8/16GB and no mention was included in the marketing material about the 256MB capacity for apps. This should not be an issue but it is and it is a bit peevish of you to take such a position since the worst thing that could happen in your case is a reduction of internal storage by some megabytes, which even if you were using you can make up with an SD card.

This is one of those things that bugs me about android; why cant I choose the install location? I now have 4 android devices, so I am not hating on it. I just miss all the features of Symbian and WinMo 6.5, like installing where I want. If anyone knows why they did it this way im all ears, maybe they had a reason?

Easy Answer.
There are paid Apps in the Market and the ( google ) needed a more or less easy but effective way to secure them so that stealing them is not easy.
So in the first 6 incarnations Apps are phone Memory only.
With Froyo they invented a feature where the appdev could decide that and how much of the app could be put somewhere else.
So if there would be none/less people stealing apps there would be no need for this.

no works on my 101

[Q] about the Acer A500 Deal from BestBuy-8gb

I never had an Android tablet. Used the Hp touchpad for a while. I understand that Honeycomb does not support App2Sd. Taking this into consideration buying one with 8gb for a teenager would be wrong, no? I mean, of course he can store all his music on a microSD card but what happens to the apps an games?
On my Motorola Defy i have 2 GB internal + 8gb Card. I don't have to many big games installed, some music, navigation maps and i am almost out.I Usually games place content on the SD. So what happens with the tablet? Are 8gb+ 16/32GB SD enough?

For $229 how can you "not" buy it?
I run 16+32 on an a501. True, some of the games are honking big. But I'm not a huge game player. Yet I still have half the space internally free. That includes 5 dvd videos.
Besides, you'll probably root it and clear off most of the junk anyhow, and move most apps to the sd.

WOW... just bought an A100 for the wife on black Friday for 180 and now seeing this deal might have to re think. Looks like it will be priced that way for a while so ill let the wife decide.

just ordered the bestbuy a500

I'm getting one! 8g is more than enough for me. I have a 16gb card in my Nook and not even halfway with that.

Moscow Desire said:
For $229 how can you "not" buy it?
I run 16+32 on an a501. True, some of the games are honking big. But I'm not a huge game player. Yet I still have half the space internally free. That includes 5 dvd videos.
Besides, you'll probably root it and clear off most of the junk anyhow, and move most apps to the sd.
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If you root the a500, can you then move apps to SD?? I just downloaded the data for lets golf 3 and it was 819mb. I'm gonna run out of space fast this way. I picked up the 8gb thinking I would just stick in a big sdcard but I can't find an option to move apps to SD like froyo and gingerbread had. I do have titanium backup pro on my Evo 3d, once rooted will TB be able to move the apps?
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The vast majority of games that I have seen are less than 10 megs. Yes there are a few that are honking big but if I recall correctly some of these games with huge data files ask you if you want to install the data onto an SD card no?

You will find that apps really don't take up that much space.
I have a Droid X that's over a year old with about 130 apps I've installed (the bloatware that came with it is still on too) and my internal 8GB of storage still has 5.6GB available. That's with ALL apps on the phone. Only data is on the SD card (movies, TV shows, music, PDF files, cache, etc.)
I think App2SD is a useless requirement for some people given the tiny size of most apps. Even the large ones that require 150MB or more of download to run (Need For Speed Shift, for example) did nothing to impact the 8GB.
130 apps in a bit over 2GB means I can still install roughly 360 more. I'll never use that many apps.

qhorque said:
You will find that apps really don't take up that much space.
I have a Droid X that's over a year old with about 130 apps I've installed (the bloatware that came with it is still on too) and my internal 8GB of storage still has 5.6GB available. That's with ALL apps on the phone. Only data is on the SD card (movies, TV shows, music, PDF files, cache, etc.)
I think App2SD is a useless requirement for some people given the tiny size of most apps. Even the large ones that require 150MB or more of download to run (Need For Speed Shift, for example) did nothing to impact the 8GB.
130 apps in a bit over 2GB means I can still install roughly 360 more. I'll never use that many apps.
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You must never have played any of the Gameloft games. The average size of their game data files are 400mb and like I said, the lets Golf 3 data files total 819mb, that's just shy of 1gb. I have only had my tablet for 3 days now and I can already see the memory is going to be a problem if I can't store the majority of the data on the sdcard. I am going to root it now and get rid of some of the bloatware but this may go back to Costco and I'll hunt down a 32gb version. Amazon has the 32gb for 419.

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You must never have played any of the Gameloft games.
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Actually, I downloaded the 3 free ones we get when you supply them with your serial number. Unfortunately, none of them were my cup of tea so I deleted them. I kept the Let's Golf one though it's a bit too kid-oriented for my tastes.
I know I've installed all the apps I have on my phone on the A500 so the memory usage is similar (I'm not home at them moment and can't tell you how much space is currently consumed). I got the 16GB A500 which is double the size of my Droid so I, for one, probably won't ever run out of space.

i actually have this same 8gb version. and for GAMELOFT games, i use "GL TO SD" app from the market to move the game files to EXTERNAL_SD. Gameloft is one of the very few HD game makers out there for android.

If anyones lookingfor an a500 I'm selling the one I just bought due to getting another tab for xmas, 16gb and 32gb sd card, rooted and thor rom. Just got it this week.

Deonix said:
I never had an Android tablet. Used the Hp touchpad for a while. I understand that Honeycomb does not support App2Sd. Taking this into consideration buying one with 8gb for a teenager would be wrong, no? I mean, of course he can store all his music on a microSD card but what happens to the apps an games?
On my Motorola Defy i have 2 GB internal + 8gb Card. I don't have to many big games installed, some music, navigation maps and i am almost out.I Usually games place content on the SD. So what happens with the tablet? Are 8gb+ 16/32GB SD enough?
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There is NO need for App2Sd in Honeycomb or higher as the main memory and the storage memory comes from one pool! App2sd is only necessary in Frodo. This is a GOOD thing. Therefore you have the whole memory to play with. All apps store on the built-in SD. (I don't know why anyone hasn't mentioned this before...

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You must never have played any of the Gameloft games. The average size of their game data files are 400mb and like I said, the lets Golf 3 data files total 819mb, that's just shy of 1gb. I have only had my tablet for 3 days now and I can already see the memory is going to be a problem if I can't store the majority of the data on the sdcard. I am going to root it now and get rid of some of the bloatware but this may go back to Costco and I'll hunt down a 32gb version. Amazon has the 32gb for 419.
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I just got my 64 GB A500 (Yes, 64) from Future shop for $399.99. It is back to $599. now though. So there are better deals out there, you just gotta find em.

Danny2 said:
I just got my 64 GB A500 (Yes, 64) from Future shop for $399.99. It is back to $599. now though. So there are better deals out there, you just gotta find em.
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Didn't even know they were making them in 64gb. That's huge for only 399.99.
Expanded with a good mem card and you will never run out of space.
OP i've had my 8gb A500 loaded with stuff before and it never became a problem for internal storage. I just tend to put all my roms and music and movies and pictures on an external sd card.

Moscow Desire said:
For $229 how can you "not" buy it?
I run 16+32 on an a501. True, some of the games are honking big. But I'm not a huge game player. Yet I still have half the space internally free. That includes 5 dvd videos.
Besides, you'll probably root it and clear off most of the junk anyhow, and move most apps to the sd.
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I would also check Wal-mart... I purchased an A500 16mb for my wife before Christmas @ 249.99 (I have receipts for proof). not sure if it was a price mistake or what... but I bought a few of them and sold them on eBay.... one of the buyers changed their mind and I ended up with one also. Prices can vary from walmart to walmart

the only problem with the 8gb that I have is that once in a while I have to remember to move stuff I grab off the web as that's mostly stored internally. To get better space usage, grab "Disk Usage" on the market.

[Q] A small advice: Xperia tablet Z2: 16 gig version enough?

G'day
My question: is a 16GB tablet enough space?
(This I wrote so any reader can quickly see if he wants to read on or not, so: for reading comfort).
Casus:
- I am probably the last on earth who buys a tablet laugh
- I found a I think nice deal: new Xperia Z2, 16GB, with original power charge cradle, 350 EUR.
- The problem: 16GB.
- I also have a bloatware HTC One SV which refuses to take updates 'because of not enough space (and I can't uninstall any apps since it is all Google standard apps that can't be uninstalled). So that triggered my thinking:
So that makes me worry: is 16GB enough space for the OS and all the stuff apps will want to install on the internal 16GB, now and in the future?
Ellaboration:
- As is said in many threads on this forum, put in a SD card and store, music, docs etc on that. Sound thinking.
- But, as I am generally rather a noob on smartphones and apps (not on FreeBSD, 'though, so not a complete 'puternoob :angel, I have no clue which part of the storage I can't control. I mean, if every app only wants it data stored on the internal disk, and if the OS will grow from (I think 4 gig now?) to suddenly 15 gig in Android 5.0 (I understood that is comng to the Z2 too), then the external SD card will be rather useless - the apps and the OS won't use it.
Of course, I'd rather have the 32GB, but that comes in at 500 EUR, so I thought I'd try to save myself the 150 EUR and spend these on flowers for my wife instead :victory:
So, will the 16GB in all fairness be enough for the OS and all the stuff apps will want to store on it (so: data on the external SD, provided of course then the installed apps will want to 'see' the external SD for reading the stored docs/movies/music/pics)?
Thank you in advance very much for any help
Bye,

I have the 16gb one, it's enough space for me I have many large games and a bunch of apps on it and I think I don't even used up half the space. Although it depends on what you plan on using your tablet for.
One way of making sure you have enough space is to root and unlock the device that way you can install custom roms which typically are smaller than the stock one, or just uninstall the bloat that comes with stock.
I don't know where you heard that android 5 will be 15 gigs but I highly doubt that it will be that big.

For me it is not enough, i have the 16GB Xperia Z phone, and i was sick of the "Not enough space" warning, so i bought the 32GB Z2 Tablet and i couldn't be happier. I have lots of games, all the apps i need. i also enjoy emulators so i can have them plus gigs of roms, and all the media i need in a 32GB SD card.
I will never, ever, buy a 16GB device.

With sd card and root you have atleast 16 + 64 GB to use for data and also for apps. Haven't try 128 GB sd card but 64 GB works fine.

It's not much more money for double the space. Seems silly not to save up a bit longer and buy the 32gb version. You can never upgrade later and apps and operating systems get bigger and bigger.

Thank you all very much for your reply
Of course, I agree, it is better to buy 32GB when you can. But given the current price offer for the 16GB, buying the 32 GB makes 16GB more costs 150 EUR, 195 USD, more.
So 16GB for 195 USD/150 EUR; GB's, the new gold :laugh:
So I didn't say Android 5.0 will be 12GB, but, I mean: I like to buy as a not 'throw away next year'-consumer; I tend to try and use my gear for 10 years (works fine for my FreeBSD servers, used to work fine with my old Nokia's as well, I have no idea how it will turn out with smartphones and tablets).
So, given that:
IF 16GB will be useless one or two years (or three, or four) down the road, I will be forced to pay 150 EUR/195 USD more now for the lousy 16GB extra.
So that is what I am trying to find out: provided I agree user data should be stored on an external card so you can leave the internal card for the OS and apps and their config and flux data, I still have no clue how many of the OS and apps will respect this rule as well. I mean: if media app X decided it can only read the media (books, audio, vids), if it resides on the internal HDD, I am forced to move media from the external SD card to the internal HDD.
Question comes up: is there some sort of mandatory Android programming rule that every app should be able to read user data from external SD cards? Or is it up to a perhaps sloppy programmer, who decides the app can only use user data when it is on the internal HDD? (Don't laugh: Windows 3.1 demanded all data on C:\ ...).
Also, I understood for some (stupid) reason Google seems to have decided apps are no longer allowed to be stored on the external SD card (?)
(Well, I do understand why Google wants this: it wants the world to use their cloud for storage and stuff: handy for subscriptions and for sales of data to governments; double the pleasure).
So I still don't know what to do :cyclops:
Thanks again for your comments; very much appreciated

I thought Google will add microSD slot finally on Nexus 6

Google updated the security policy of external storage since KK.
The resolution of screen is 2K now.
Not only the quality of taking pictures and videos got better but also the size of them got bigger.
But Google just let microSD go away again.
I don't know why really.
It seems Google 'hates' or feels 'disgusting' about microSD

marbulas said:
Google updated the security policy of external storage since KK.
The resolution of screen is 2K now.
Not only the quality of taking pictures and videos got better but also the size of them got bigger.
But Google just let microSD go away again.
I don't know why really.
It seems Google 'hates' or feels 'disgusting' about microSD
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Google will never Include a MicroSD card slot in their Nexus line ever again, they're trying to push for full internet connectivity - grabbing everything off the cloud, which would make expandable storage useless in their eyes. That's all good for countries like the US and UK who can get unlimited mobile data plans for dirt cheap, but those of us in other countries with less ideal data plans are left having to decide between a nexus with limited data storage and a inferior phone with an SD card slot. It's just how it is sadly.

I don't think it's all about making us use the cloud. There could bentwood more possibilities I believe;
1) there are many different types of cards out there with different read and write speeds. Having a big storage with low speeds could lead to lag and general slowness..
2) Having a "removable" storage gives you an option to "remove" it, say, for media exchange. But a storage contains two types of data; user objects like musics, pictures and secondly apps which has some files inside of the actual storage also. So removing this storage may fail some apps to run. Companies prevent that by not letting people to store their apps inside of SD cards thus damaging the point of having an "extra" memory.
So I believe having an big internal storage is always betterb for these reasons..
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_delice_doluca_ said:
I don't think it's all about making us use the cloud. There could bentwood more possibilities I believe;
1) there are many different types of cards out there with different read and write speeds. Having a big storage with low speeds could lead to lag and general slowness..
2) Having a "removable" storage gives you an option to "remove" it, say, for media exchange. But a storage contains two types of data; user objects like musics, pictures and secondly apps which has some files inside of the actual storage also. So removing this storage may fail some apps to run. Companies prevent that by not letting people to store their apps inside of SD cards thus damaging the point of having an "extra" memory.
So I believe having an big internal storage is always betterb for these reasons..
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i thought it's about not letting microsoft earn their patent royalties on their file system????

rydako said:
Google will never Include a MicroSD card slot in their Nexus line ever again, they're trying to push for full internet connectivity - grabbing everything off the cloud, which would make expandable storage useless in their eyes. That's all good for countries like the US and UK who can get unlimited mobile data plans for dirt cheap, but those of us in other countries with less ideal data plans are left having to decide between a nexus with limited data storage and a inferior phone with an SD card slot. It's just how it is sadly.
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Cannot speak for the UK...but the USA is a land of laughably capped data plans. most ISPs be they landline or cellular cap your data usage laughably low. The "cloud" will die a quick death, between data caps from fat-and-happy ISPs and internet non-neutrality.

I can think of solutions for everything except pushing the cloud.
Filesystems are a dime a dozen. Just require a non-patented one. Tell the user what's going on prior to formatting it and that they can put it in a windows machine and format it to use it elsewhere. Most people don't swap them about that often. Using a security aware filesystem would solve the problem with apps accessing other apps data as well. Other than root, but rooting the device makes the users responsible for the outcome of giving apps root permission.
Speeds, meh.. Do a test and warn the user that the card is slow. Even crappy slow cards are more than fast enough for all except the higher bitrate HD videos. And few people have constant access to networks faster than even the slower SD cards.
Removing the storage doesn't happen that often. And would happen less if they didn't use a windows compatible filesystem. Apps2Sd is a ridiculous feature when even small phones come with 16GB. It made sense on the G1. Not so much now. When formatting the card, warn the user that apps using that storage might have issues if you remove the card. I don't know many normal users that remove the card, other than to upgrade to a bigger one.
Bigger internal storage is always desirable. However, I think it's ridiculous to remove the card option for users that want it. 64GB is about the level where I can get away without the card, so I will probably end up with an N6. But I find it irritating that Google removes the option. Particularly since I can't think of a reason that isn't self serving for them to do it.
But it is what it is. That's just how they do it right now. If that's a deal breaker for you, you will have to find a different device. I wish they would put the hardware there at least. Even if it required a custom kernel to enable it. But it's not likely to happen anytime soon.

I wish people stop *****ing about the MicroSD slot already.
I hope Android 6.0 removes MicroSD all together

mk92595 said:
I wish people stop *****ing about the MicroSD slot already.
I hope Android 6.0 removes MicroSD all together
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Yeah, those people with slow and/or limited data connections who have a need for a lot of storage on their phone are sooooo ridiculous and unreasonable. Google removing MicroSD all together in a future android update is completely the right choice. Consumers should have limited choices in everything they do as should phone manufactures...... Long live blindly following everything Google does and never considering anything but a Nexus cause everything Google does is so right and amazing....
I hope you know that's sarcasm....

I don't know why many people don't/fail to understand a simple basic thing about Google, Google makes money when people are online.
Google's fundamental business strategy is - do anything and everything possible to make people go online and spend as much as time as possible on the internet (Free Android, gmail, chrome, drive, Cheap Google Fiber, Google express, failed Google glass, upcoming Self driving cars etc..), so that Google could serve you more online ads, make money on your searches, clicks and would also get more data about your online activity which would enable more data mining.
with SD card in the phone people potentially would not go online as much compared to a phone with no SD card/less built in memory, that's why no SD card in the Nexus and also why Google is trying to kill the SD card support in lollipop.

The lack of a microSD slot makes it hard to decide between the Nexus 6 and Note 4. I don't know why Samsung is able to do it but Google not.

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The lack of a microSD slot makes it hard to decide between the Nexus 6 and Note 4. I don't know why Samsung is able to do it but Google not.
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Because it has nothing to do with ability. It's a choice, plain and simple. Why they make that choice is debatable, but anything we think is speculation. I generally go with "follow the money". Google gains if people are using the cloud more. But that's just opinion.
It's not a technology issue, every one of those I've seen trotted out is easy to work around.
Between the note 4 and Nexus 6... The biggest difference is touchwiz really. People will say that AOSP roms will be made. And they are right. However, note 3 still lacks a fully functional AOSP that is as stable as stock. Even if you don't care about the missing hardware support like NFC. The stability just isn't there. It's gotten much better recently, but I'm stuck on touchwiz because of it. So if you buy a note4, be sure you don't mind that. There's nothing wrong with that choice, it's a great device and looks like it works well.

The iPhone doesn't have an SD card and you don't see those users complaining. Why not just get the 64GB version and have more than enough space for photos and stuff? For the average user (which Google is targeting) they won't need more than 32GB of space, let alone 64GB.

I too wish Google would leave in an SD slot as an option. That said, I suspect that 64GB is more than enough storage for 90% or more of users, so I see why they leave it off the Nexus line. I think 64 will be more than I'll need in the next 2 years so I'm not really concerned. I may load up a 64 GB OTG solution with movies for when I'm traveling.

YYsn said:
The lack of a microSD slot makes it hard to decide between the Nexus 6 and Note 4. I don't know why Samsung is able to do it but Google not.
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As above, Google want you using the cloud. It's not that they can't do it - they just don't want to. Simple as that. :good:

Nucleotide said:
As above, Google want you using the cloud. It's not that they can't do it - they just don't want to. Simple as that. :good:
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But at the time same if Google was really that concerned with making people use the cloud why would they offer 64 GB? Why not stick with the Nexus 4 mottle of 8/16GB? That makes more sense in the pushing people to the cloud argument.
I love the cloud, but like most people I don't have unlimited data or perfect signal everywhere I go. Options are key. That said I will still get a Nexus because I love everything else about it (minus the non removable battery) and I've had them all so far. And USB on the go is not very convenient (I've used it for a couple years) for what most of us want to use them for. For a plane ride sure, but not practical for daily use.

A better question is.. why don't we have minimum 128 gigs of internal storage? Hell even 256? How expensive is it for companies to include this much storage? Apple does, so why can't Google?

frigidazzi said:
But at the time same if Google was really that concerned with making people use the cloud why would they offer 64 GB? Why not stick with the Nexus 4 mottle of 8/16GB? That makes more sense in the pushing people to the cloud argument.
I love the cloud, but like most people I don't have unlimited data or perfect signal everywhere I go. Options are key. That said I will still get a Nexus because I love everything else about it (minus the non removable battery) and I've had them all so far. And USB on the go is not very convenient (I've used it for a couple years) for what most of us want to use them for. For a plane ride sure, but not practical for daily use.
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With ART, the cache run partition for apps is going up quite a bit in size. Like double. People who needed Apps2SD on 16GB phones might still have problems with 32GB phones under ART.

Skripka said:
With ART, the cache run partition for apps is going up quite a bit in size. Like double. People who needed Apps2SD on 16GB phones might still have problems with 32GB phones under ART.
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That's also true. It complicates things with art. But more importantly as repeated here, Google is promoting cloud storage.
Sent from my Nexus 5

rydako said:
Google will never Include a MicroSD card slot in their Nexus line ever again, they're trying to push for full internet connectivity - grabbing everything off the cloud, which would make expandable storage useless in their eyes. That's all good for countries like the US and UK who can get unlimited mobile data plans for dirt cheap, but those of us in other countries with less ideal data plans are left having to decide between a nexus with limited data storage and a inferior phone with an SD card slot. It's just how it is sadly.
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I don't buy that because even 32gb is more than enough for most people...

bradputt said:
i thought it's about not letting microsoft earn their patent royalties on their file system????
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This is one of the truths. The other is that Google finds cloud storage the more viable option as well.
But in all honesty, if you seriously need more than 50GB of storage for your phone, you seriously have a problem with transferring files off of your device and to a computer/server. Even with my Nexus 4 I never exceeded the 16GB/12GB the device had available for storage.
I move my pictures and video to my external HDD once a month, move the ones I share often to my G+ Photo drive so I can always access them when needed.
I hardly keep music on my phone aside from when I make them into ringtones/notifications. I suggest any diehard music fan to simply get a PMP if you want to listen to music while on the go. PMP's have an independent battery and last FAR longer than your phone will, plus it will not drain your phone's battery and PMP's have proper quality sound compared to phones where it just works fine but does not offer true quality sound. Plus a PMP will allow more storage options as well for those with the insane music collections like I do.
Seriously between these two things, the only thing that has ever been close of a threat to taking up my phone storage is my ROM backups, which I never keep more than 2 at a time on my device since they eat up storage so often. Again they can be put on an external drive whether it be your computer or personal server.

Does anyone else find the 32GB ROM restricting?

I installed most of my apps and I have about 19GB free. However, I'm sure as time goes on other things will eat up that space, especially cache.
I know you can move some apps to SD, but preferably I like to keep everything on system ROM for speed. I was trying to avoid getting into the low memory dilemma with my next my phone (ran into that with my S5). I'm just not feeling Samsung's crystal ball/balloon screen vibes and I just wanted to get away from Samsung period. I'm very happy with the phone so far, but just wish they would've added the 64GB ROM or gave us the option to choose... Hopefully as Android matures, it won't become an issue for me.

I do. I would have preferred 64GB.

maruichan said:
I installed most of my apps and I have about 19GB free. However, I'm sure as time goes on other things will eat up that space, especially cache.
I know you can move some apps to SD, but preferably I like to keep everything on system ROM for speed. I was trying to avoid getting into the low memory dilemma with my next my phone (ran into that with my S5). I'm just not feeling Samsung's crystal ball/balloon screen vibes and I just wanted to get away from Samsung period. I'm very happy with the phone so far, but just wish they would've added the 64GB ROM or gave us the option to choose... Hopefully as Android matures, it won't become an issue for me.
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The 32gb was to keep the price of the phone down but you're right it would been nice to have a choice.Funny thing is I said wouldn't buy a phone without 64gb after have the s7 edge and the v20.But I really like this phone

techrider6262 said:
The 32gb was to keep the price of the phone down but you're right it would been nice to have a choice.Funny thing is I said wouldn't buy a phone without 64gb after have the s7 edge and the v20.But I really like this phone
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I bought this to replace the iPhone I use as my desk/work phone. I would not buy it for my primary phone because of the 32 GB limit. My S7 Edge is always close to full even with pics going to the SD card. 64 GB should be table stakes to enter the "flagship" phone line in 2017.

The good news for you and others there are always other phone to buy.

I've got 16gb free on my 32gb phone (not a g6).
Not an issue for me, i hate lots of apps anyway.
That's not to say i was a little disappointed, but realistically i probably won't ever need more than 32gb, just would have been nice to have.

I can't even imagine filling up 32 GB with apps. All my music is on the SD card, photos go to Google photos and some apps that aren't speed dependent are on the SD card. I've got 18gb free and 4gb of the used space is my exchange email account.
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alexp999 said:
I've got 16gb free on my 32gb phone (not a g6).
Not an issue for me, i hate lots of apps anyway.
That's not to say i was a little disappointed, but realistically i probably won't ever need more than 32gb, just would have been nice to have.
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It's not the apps to be concerned with as much as the OS will naturally gain size as updates are released/put out and naturally apps tend to increase as well (though that seems to have plateaued considerably). My last flagship phone was on the low end before and it felt like I got burnt for their oversight because I was really hurting for space before it was even paid off. I don't feel like I use a lot of apps. I don't even game on my phone. I trim/delete things regularly just to keep stuff organized.
wingzfan said:
I can't even imagine filling up 32 GB with apps. All my music is on the SD card, photos go to Google photos and some apps that aren't speed dependent are on the SD card. I've got 18gb free and 4gb of the used space is my exchange email account.
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Photos and music go to large SD so that's not the issue. I also have 1TB of cloud space. I don't game on my phone or anything. It's more about the fact a flagship phone that costs $650 is using the lower end of memory when idealistically they should be gunning for a 64GB ROM at this point to make space for larger ROMs, future changes to apps to future proof, etc. If that makes sense...