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[Q] regarding internal 3G HSDPA UMTS

so after doing weeks of research i found out the unit being used in the Acer a501 which is the 3G model. If you see a teardown you will see there is a port to plug it into a mini pci inside. The unit is GTM661/669 Mini PCIE look on alibaba or google it.
i can order a bunch of them but would like to find help for the software side.
GTM661/669 Mini PCIE should be supported by a500 but i'm not sure. i Know this is the unit they also use in the xoom 3G.
any help or insight is appreciated
anyone have any idea where i can begin

the difference between 501 and 500 unit are not just a missing GTM661/669 Mini PCIE card inside, there is no SLOT (not soldered) to insert such card, and there is not slot (not soldered) to put the sim card.

there is a pcie slot
sanaell said:
the difference between 501 and 500 unit are not just a missing GTM661/669 Mini PCIE card inside, there is no SLOT (not soldered) to insert such card, and there is not slot (not soldered) to put the sim card.
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thanks for your input but there is indeed a pcie slot in the middle of the unit, if you look at any of the teardowns you will see it right in the middle. Some even have a placeholder PCIe card in there.
ok so i've done more research and this is what i have so far, i know the a500 and a501 are the exact same unit minus 3G card. I know firmware are the same, and i know that the a500 has a pci-e port for the GTM661 3G card.
i know the a500 has a set of 3G card drivers, i know all the setup on the a500 is there such as network search and such. I just need someone to figure out how the drivers will work and if they are there already. I'm a hardware guy not that fluent in android yet

I'd like to know how you "know" the things you say you "know".
Plus, can you post any pictures that state specifically what you say you know?

Would also be interested in that. However, as I am not such a hardware guy I would be happy to see a step-by-step tutorial of how to do it.

as i mentioned in my first post, if you bother to even kindly read it, it clearly says to look up on google for acer a500 teardown. I can not post links because i am new, it wont' let me, also i know because i own one and i have it open on my lap right now. please be constructive i don't really need pessimists commenting on this. thanks
it's fairly straight forward, the antenna is already in there it just needs the card and the simholder card all being sold by Embedded Works Corporation. It'll cost around $150 for a full 3G/4G setup

I can only find 1 teardown and I don't see what you see. To me, it's clearly devoid of any 3G capable hardware or slots or PCB chips.
But if you do it, kindly post the results.

You are an hardware guy maybe, but... what the hell you want exactly?
ordering a bunch of card for sell them... 150$??? are you nuts, the A501 will not cost +150$ over the A500 (actually it does not cost more than 100$ over but that is information)
so if I summarize
*** We need to buy a 3G module
*** We need to tear down our tablet
*** We need to solder (if we got the skills)
*** We not insure that works
*** We will waste time... humm nonsense.. insanity.
Now REAL information, with picture.
First stop google... it's not an exact science...
THERE IS NO 3G Antenna on the A500. the following schematics will prove it.
THERE IS NOTHING RELATED TO 3G inside the A500
sure the form factor is the same, but it's like a "common" shape then depends the elements you include makes the things, more ram, more sdcard space etc... CPU... well
THERE IS NO SLOT FOR PCIE INSIDE THE A500 (JMIN2 3G connector is not soldered)
YOU NEED TO SOLDER A SIMCARD SLOT (JP2 SIM connector is not soldered)
YOU KNOW NOTHING
by the way I do have the schematic of the A50x series... so I think I do know better.
A501
1 LOWER CASE INCL. CAMERA GLASS FOR 3G 60.H6002.001
2 USB SUPPORT PLATE 33.H6002.002
3 USB BOARD 55.H6002.002
4 BATTERY BT.00207.001
5 MAINBOARD MB.70500.041
6 ANTENNA 3G-AUX 50.H6002.007
7 ANTENNA WLAN 50.H6002.005
8 DC-IN CABLE 50.H6002.001
9 LCD SUPPORT PLATE FOR 3G 33.H6M02.001
10 LCD BEZEL N/A
11 TOUCH PANEL CABLE 50.H6002.004
12 LCD Panel w/CONTROL BOARD 6M.H6002.001
13 LVDS CABLE 50.H6002.009
14 CAMERA 2M 57.H6002.001
15 ANTENNA GPS 50.H6002.008
16 MIC SET 23.H6002.001
17 ANTENNA 3G-MAIN 50.H6002.006
18 SPEAKER L+R 23.H6002.002
19 ERICSSON F5521GW LC.21300.056
20 DOCKING BOARD 55.H6002.001
21 DOCKING BOARD FFC 50.H6002.002
22 USB BOARD FFC 50.H6002.003
23 CAMERA HOLDER FOR 5M CAMERA 42.H6002.001
24 CAMERA 5M 57.H6002.002
25 CAMERA GLASS FOR 5M CAMERA 60.H6002.002
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A500
1 LOWER CASE INCL. CAMERA GLASS FOR 3G 60.H6002.001
2 USB SUPPORT PLATE 33.H6002.002
3 USB BOARD 55.H6002.002
4 BATTERY BT.00207.001
5 MAINBOARD MB.70500.041
6 ANTENNA WLAN 50.H6002.005
7 DC-IN CABLE 50.H6002.001
8 LCD SUPPORT PLATE FOR W/O 3G 33.H6002.001
9 LCD BEZEL N/A
10 TOUCH PANEL CABLE 50.H6002.004
11 LCD PANEL w/CONTROL BOARD 6M.H6002.001
12 LVDS CABLE 50.H6002.009
13 CAMERA 2M 57.H6002.001
14 ANTENNA GPS 50.H6002.008
15 MIC SET 23.H6002.001
16 SPEAKER L+R 23.H6002.002
17 DOCKING BOARD 55.H6002.001
18 DOCKING BOARD FFC 50.H6002.002
19 USB BOARD FFC 50.H6002.003
20 CAMERA HOLDER FOR 5M CAMERA 42.H6002.001
21 CAMERA 5M 57.H6002.002
22 CAMERA GLASS FOR 5M CAMERA 60.H6002.002
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don't you see a difference ?
there the 3G module and Antenna
ERICSSON F5521GW LC.21300.056
3G CARD Huawei EM770W-Rev2 LC.21300.066
HUAWEI EM820W LC.21300.068
ANTENNA 3G-MAIN 50.H6002.006
ANTENNA 3G-AUX 50.H6002.007
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and MotherBoard are
Mainboard A501_16s Nvidia Tegra 250, W/3G&CPU&RAM MB.70500.041
Mainboard A501_32s Nvidia Tegra 250, W/3G&CPU&RAM MB.70500.042
Mainboard A500_16s Nvidia Tegra 250, W/O 3G W/CPU&RAM MB.H6000.001
Mainboard A500_32s Nvidia Tegra 250, W/O 3G W/CPU&RAM MB.H6L00.001
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Here some picture of the A501 with 3G Module and antenna
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15327043&postcount=1
then
go on kid install on your A500 the 3G but please.... send all picture from start teardown until 3G working well (with timestamp and money spend)
PICTURE FROM A500
Where is the slot ?????
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Understood ???

Jesus! Sanaell! Do you need to be so aggressive???
Whats wrong with someone THINKING abit or being enthusiastic about something?
Oh sure just hammer him down with NO NO NO NO NO thats how humanity evolves quicker with naysayers like you? Go home and take a bubble bath and take a nap.
Christ!

Johnny0906 said:
Jesus! Sanaell! Do you need to be so aggressive???
Whats wrong with someone THINKING abit or being enthusiastic about something?
Oh sure just hammer him down with NO NO NO NO NO thats how humanity evolves quicker with naysayers like you? Go home and take a bubble bath and take a nap.
Christ!
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+1
You both sound like you know more than me but a little latitude and a pinch of diplomacy wouldn't go amiss. Put downs like this just put people off contributing and no more contributions = no development.

I thought it was pretty clear that the OP wasn't going to take any questioning or disagreeing without throwing up his fists in offence. read #6 - it says it all about his attitude.
Clearly the OP didn't know what he was talking about even though he claimed time and time again that he "knows" things while sanaell up and provided proof that contradicts what the OP was chastising everyone else about not believing.
I think sanaell did it just right for yet another user who refuses to read what others have said time and time again, doesn't care to back up their claim in any way and who's basically just talking out their ass for whatever reason.

Sure it is irritating to see the same topics being put up on and on and on different threads but there is only 1 moderator.
And SINCE there have been so many threads why doesnt Sanaell just say so? Instead of going on and on on a topic he hates? Doesnt make sense.

Well thanks for the input
i got it working natively, all that were too stupid to open the damn thing and see what's in front of them and instead blow off their steam on people trying to do a good thing well your SOL. i'm closing this thread and leaving this ridiculous site, this is worst then a hanging i tell you, you people should be kicked out of here as well, and to the people who where helping and put very positive comments thanks you very much for you help, advice and questions. Keep on researching. The hardware is the exact same between the two and all you have to do is insert the 2 cards. Native support is given already in the firmware.

mnaderi said:
i got it working natively
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*cough* bull**** *cough* without pics *sputter* *cough*
Like I said before, if you do it, post the results otherwise you're just talking out your ass.

guess what genius, no soldering needed, it's a pcie slot under the unit, i already got it working so guess what your wrong senior member. it's amazing how your have lasted so long being so rude to people. Do you really thing that a large manufacturer like acer would make 2 different models. well thanks for your input if i can call it that.

sad sad people
gammaRascal said:
*cough* bull**** *cough* without pics *sputter* *cough*
Like I said before, if you do it, post the results otherwise you're just talking out your ass.
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what are you talking about , i already showed you there is a pcie, the card, and the simholder, you want me to put it together for you at your house to believe me, like i give a **** what you think you ignorant asshole, just because you can't read or understand what a pcie slot is it's my problems. http://www.androidtablets.net/forum...77-whats-under-hood-acer-iconia-tab-a500.html
you know what i just don't care what you people do, i just wish i could close this thread down so i get no more HELP form the senior members. Great help thanks, you should be given a medal.

mnaderi said:
i already got it working so guess what your wrong senior member.
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I don't know why you keep ignoring the fact that you haven't posted proof. Either you're lying or you're missing what I've said twice.
If you get it working, post the results.

gammaRascal said:
I don't know why you keep ignoring the fact that you haven't posted proof. Either you're lying or you're missing what I've said twice.
If you get it working, post the results.
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i will when i get the 3G setting fully enabled, as i posted originally the internal units will not bring up the 3G setting automatically like the USB models, also since the original simholder is impossible to find you use the aftermarket unit from that exact site. Now for just one minute look at it form my side, what have you and the other senior member put in to call it help. You want to see proof fine i will show you all the picture when i take them but until someone here grows up and starts solving the problems with the software as i mentioned originally i don't see why i would give a damn to help others when i already put so much into this.
also calling people fake or saying it's bs because you don't know much or understand things about the unit is not help. On every other thread people help to solve a single problem on this one thread everyone is trying to ****ing grill me to prove the have a bigger ****, well you don't. If it's bs how did i know the model number of the 3G unit, the pcie slot, the simcard holder that is needed, the fact that 3G setting will not automatically come up with the PCIe models. at the end of the day i have a 3G model and it has some ups and downs what you have is a lynching mob!!! again thanks for your input

mnaderi said:
i will when i get the 3G setting fully enabled, as i posted originally the internal units will not bring up the 3G setting automatically like the USB models, also since the original simholder is impossible to find you use the aftermarket unit from that exact site. Now for just one minute look at it form my side, what have you and the other senior member put in to call it help. You want to see proof fine i will show you all the picture when i take them but until someone here grows up and starts solving the problems with the software as i mentioned originally i don't see why i would give a damn to help others when i already put so much into this.
also calling people fake or saying it's bs because you don't know much or understand things about the unit is not help. On every other thread people help to solve a single problem on this one thread everyone is trying to ****ing grill me to prove the have a bigger ****, well you don't. If it's bs how did i know the model number of the 3G unit, the pcie slot, the simcard holder that is needed, the fact that 3G setting will not automatically come up with the PCIe models. at the end of the day i have a 3G model and it has some ups and downs what you have is a lynching mob!!! again thanks for your input
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You're just being argumentative. It's okay to be wrong - that's how we learn.
Until you can provide some proof (even a picture of the internal setup you'd done) then really, why argue? We're just asking you to post some pictures = we all know that's not hard to do.
If you don't have it working internally, that's fine. We can understand that will take some time - but at the very least, lets see some shots of the card in place - at least that alone would sate the naysayers. Myself included. Then we could wait patiently while you work on the software side of things - heck, you might even get some love from some devs if your attitude changes and you get a little more proactive.

If I'm understanding this all, the OP claims to have installed a 3G device that is not identical to the unit fitted to the A501 and hence the software does not work with it?
So if he provided a guide on how he managed to do this, it would enable other people to do the same and then facilitate the development of the kernel and/or software in the ROM's to be able to utilise this 3rd party hardware.
Of course if the cost of the parts and risk of fitting was too high, then most people wouldn't bother and simply purchase the A501 in the first place. If it cost under $50USD you'd probably have quite a few people interested.

Gooapple i5S (p)review with pictures!

I don't know where to post this thread...
This will be my first ever kinda proper review. It's still incomplete, and I will amend it later. The text corresponds to the image below it. It may be a bit hard to follow, but you can pair them up judging from the context.
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The Gooapple i5S, as can be deducted from the name, is an Apple iPhone 5S knockoff that runs Android, hence Goo(gle)+apple i(Phone)5S. I bought it with the intention of using all those fancy iPhone accessories like cases and stuff. It is more or less 1:1 to the real iPhone, and has a nice aluminium construction (although it is obviously not as well made as the real thing). And although not explicitly stated by the seller, this phone also looks like it uses the real, reversible lightning connector found on the newer iOS devices (which is true). The cost was $122.55 + $26.61 EMS postage, making it a total of $149.16 (all in USD).
Specifications at a glance:
MediaTek MT6572 chipset @ 1.2GHz, dual core (the highest I've experienced is 1 GHz)
Android 4.2.2 heavily modified to look and work like iOS 7
512 MB RAM
4.0" 854x480 LED backlit display (looks like TFT judging from the viewing angles)
Glass (not plastic) touchscreen with 5-point multitouch
8 GB internal storage (more on this later)
8 MP back + 1.3 MP front cameras with dual LED flash (front camera is probably 5 MP digitally upscaled to 8 MP)
1400 mAh battery (quoted, actually 1200 mAh)
Uses a single nano SIM, supposedly operating at GSM 850/900/1800/1900MHz and WCDMA 850/2100MHz (it can make phone calls fine)
Has WiFi a/b/g/n, Bluetooth (2.1) and GPS
FM radio (doesn't work)
Feel free to ask about other stuff!
In the box: knockoff Apple EarPods, Lightning to USB Cable, SIM eject tool and a fake iPhone 5 Quick Start Guide.
Outside of the box (posted in the same parcel, but wrapped outside of the box): A cheap AC to USB adapter with plug that probably corresponds to the country of your postal address.
This knockoff iPhone 5S uses the real Lightning connector! It charges fine, and can probably use non-iOS 7 compatible Lightning cables. Chances are the one bundled is not iOS 7 compatible.
When you first turn on the phone, you are greeted with the Apple boot logo. To be specific, it is the one with the black Apple logo and the white background that is found on the white and champagne gold iPhone 5S and the white iPhone 5 running iOS 7. The developers of this heavily customised version of Android were probably too lazy to differentiate the space grey boot logo with the black background and white Apple logo from the other, maybe because this Gooapple is available in three colours; space grey, white and champagne gold.
When the phone finishes booting, the iPhone Tri-tone message tone can be heard as the boot sound, then you are met with the iOS 7 style lockscreen. Unlocking it laggily (if that's a word) transitions to the iOS 7 style launcher. It scrolls with a lot of lag. Dragging down on the homescreen reveals the spotlight search bar, just like in iOS 7.
Some of the apps you see in the picture below were installed by me (the file manager, root checker and iLauncher).
The layout of the Settings app is unlike what you normally see in Android. Instead, it has been modified to look and work just like the one in iOS 7.
Double tapping the "home" button on the homescreen reveals an iOS 7 style task manager than swipes both up AND down to kill an app, as opposed to the swipe-up-only one in iOS 7.
Interesting thing about the home button; single tapping it actually sends the "back" command to Android. Double tapping it sends a "home" command, and long pressing it sends a "menu" command. Single tap then long pressing it will bring up Voice Command. It does not have Touch ID.
Pretty much all the system applications are stylised to look like iOS 7, such as the dialer, calculator, stopwatch, calendar, music player, gallery (or photos, as named in this system).
It does not have root out-of-the-box, and I can't say when there will be a method to root it.
Pressing the home button+power button does indeed take a screenshot.
This phone has one especially handy feature - a working silent/vibrate toggle switch. I don't know any Android phone that have one.
The touchscreen has 5-point multitouch. Plenty for a 4" screen, if you ask me.
If you know me a bit, then you'll know how much I like taking things apart. It took me a while to figure out how to disassemble this knockoff. I tried undoing the two pentalobe (yes, real star-shaped pentalobe) screws on the bottom and prying the screen's frame from the aluminium shell just like you would on a real iPhone, to no avail. The top and bottom seemed to be especially stuck, and I almost broke the phone trying to open it by force.
Then I tried heating it up using a hot air gun and separating the glass itself from the frame. The home button fell out, then I lifted the bottom of the screen away from the frame, and I saw that the cables were connected along the top edge. I also saw one other thing; screw holes that corresponded to screws on the other side of the frame.
So instinctively, I pryed off the glass inserts on the back of the Gooapple, and they turned out to be plastic held in place by double sided sticky tape. As it turns out, there is one relatively large screw in each corner of the phone holding it together. Unscrewing these made the disassembly a sinch (cinch?).
The seller said in the product description that this phone has a 1400 mAh battery. Tearing it down proved that it was a lie. 1200 mAh is clearly printed on it, and there is empty space above the battery, probably to accommodate for a 1400 mAh battery.
The silent switch is much simpler than the real thing. All it is is an open/close circuit switch that closes the circuit when the switch is switched to vibrate, and opens when it is not.
Oh, what's this? A Micro SD slot?
Yes, it is! It's not cheapo, either. It's a Kingston 8 GB SDHC Class 4! Which means I can upgrade it! I'm guessing the maximum is 32 GB, the SDHC limit. I will try 64 GB though, when I backup my existing one.
Putting it into a computer showed that the system does not reside here. It has its own real internal ROM separate from the Micro SD.
I only had a 64 MB Micro SD lying around at the time, so I put it in and restarted the phone (as it was not designed to have a hot-swappable SD card). It was revealed to me that the capacity stayed the same regardless of what card you put in, but the 'Available' storage is accurate.
This concludes my "review" for now. I know it wasn't much; all I did was play around with the phone and take pictures along the way, then commenting on them here. I didn't intend to write a review, so as a result, it didn't flow very well and wasn't very comprehensive. So please feel free to ask away!
Thanks for reading up until the end!

I thought review was awesome with all the pictures, but when I got to the part where you took it apart - holy crap!!! Much respect!!!

Nice review. Thanks for that! So are you actually using the phone?How does it feel? Any roms you can flash?

vectron said:
I thought review was awesome with all the pictures, but when I got to the part where you took it apart - holy crap!!! Much respect!!!
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Thanks! Anything that I own has or will inevitably be taken apart.
Hanzo.Hasashi said:
Nice review. Thanks for that! So are you actually using the phone?How does it feel? Any roms you can flash?
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My primary phone is the Galaxy Note 2, and after using the Gooapple, it makes my Note 2 feel faster than before. I'm just experimenting with the Gooapple for now, and trying out all those fancy iPhone 5 cases (bluetooth gamepad, here I come!). I'm probably going to use it as a GBA emulator and stuff like that.
I'm looking for ROMs I can flash. I recently discovered that although running 4.2.2, it doesn't use MTP, but USB Mass Storage Mode! It only charges using the Lightning cable, but for some reason I can only connect it to the computer using a 30-pin to 8-pin Lightning adapter. It looks like this:

OMG
No triggers/bumper buttons though
Update: I just bought it for $45. It should arrive in a week or so.

To that data-phenomenon - maybe it works with a lightning to usb-adapter?

Daemonarch2k said:
To that data-phenomenon - maybe it works with a lightning to usb-adapter?
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That's the problem - the phone doesn't pop up with 'USB Mass Storage Mode' if I use a Lightning to USB cable, but it does when I use a USB to 30-pin then a 30-pin to 8-pin Lightning adapter.

Time to upgrade the storage!
Aww yiss

its amazing how far people will go to make fakes look like the real thing!

exscume for the up , you can extraction the apk ??

Man that was really interesting to see it in detail, inside and out! I'm actually slightly impressed, the software look especially.

Voyo A1 mini

Got this information from slatedroid by ebsbow, online.
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Voyo A1 with Intel Atom Quad-core:
- Intel Atom Z3735D [email protected](2core burstmode@1.8Ghz)
- Intel Atom Z3735f is the new cheaper slower version.
- Using the next-gen 22nm technology. More power less energy.
- Intel HD technology GPU(build around 4 EU and 700Mhz)
- 8" new technology 1280*800 IPS screen(approx. 194dpi)
- 2Gb Single channel DDR3L-RS
- 32Gb internal space(minus installation and restore space)
- SD card expansion slot for extra 32Gb~64Gb
- Windows 8.1(64bit) full version(not RT)
- Supporting virtualization, x86 apps, Metro apps...
- HDMI output(Max.FHD)
- Charging port 9v 2Amps.
- Micro usb OTG(also for 5v charging)
- BT 4.0, Wifi b-g-n
- Dual camera's: 2.0Mpx(Pipo w2/Livefan: 5Mpx). Minimal but handy.
- Accelerometer, Gyroscope.
- Plastic shell, sturdy and basic clean design.
- About the same weight and dimensions as a Nexus 7(first gen)
- Comes in various funky color:
Gray(metal), White, Green, Blue, Pink(dark), Yellow.. No black.
Originally based on the Emdoor-i8080(Z3735G China)
- i8180
- 8080-A
- 8080-C
Look a likes include:
2G 32G(64-bit single channel)
- Pipo W2(Z3735D China) xda
- Croma 1179(Z3735D India)
- QUMO Vega 8008W(Z3735F Russia?)
- LIVEFAN F8C(Z3735D China+64Gb version)
- sTouch W801(Z3735D China)
- SonQi w1088(Z3735D China)
- Jumper EZ pad(Z3735E China)
1G 16Gb(32-bit single channel)
- CUBE iwork U80GT(Z3735E or Z3735D+gps(..)) xda
- FNF Fine 8(Z3735E)
- Other...?
First look at the price point, then acknowledge it's an cool little 8" Windows 8.1 Intel Atom device.
Nice screen and battery life is great in normal use. The power drain of running full fletch PC games,
which are fare more complex then Android games, is much higher. Metro games are obviously more
suitable. They are efficient, smaller and modern. Nonetheless some older PC games run surprising well.
It is also possible to install Android(x86 64-bit) or an Linux distribution if you like. And because of its x86
nature and running an full fletch OS, all Windows applications will work fine. With a few exceptions like
running the latest Photoshop CC. This may prove not very productive or efficient on an 8" screen.
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It has come to our attention that some sellers are dispatching fake D types to buyers.
Obviously we will not stand for this. If you are victim of this let us know(post or pm), we will post them here.
If you buy through paypal or aliexpress you are secured with buyers protection. Make use of it to complain.
-Banggood
-Amazon(lots of seller sell fake D)
-ebay(lots of seller sell fake D)
-Aliexpress(lots of seller sell fake D)
-efox
...
Bought an fake sdcard? Let s now what shop. Post or pm.
Check fakes sdcard(suggestion by ebsbow)
-Amazon(lots of seller sell fake 64gb)
-ebay(lots of seller sell fake 64gb)
Additional Slatedroid Voyo A1 forum
Problems:
<i>In case you are locked in an update loop, use this recovery walkthrough(courtesy of Downstar) <here>

And then there is some other info. (Also by ebsbow.)
For those who don't know yet, the differences between Z3735 models are designated with D - E - F or G.
All-in-all the following applies.
Spoiler
Type 4 SoC model D of the Z3735 series seems the best choice for more extended use. The other
versions are streamlined from there. Not just lower memory and functions but the price is very competitive.
They all run at the same core frequency of Quad-1.58Ghz to Dual-1.8Ghz. So the streamlining consists by
reducing the amount of internal hardware components.
Because of this the F version will have the same memory values as D but will effectively run a little bit slower
in real world applications then the latter(..)
For Internet, video, music, casual game, the E and G variants will more then suffice and will come with lower
thermal resistance. Battery life will be longer and the price lower.
D will perform all these task with 2Gb 32Gb (an a 64-bit Windows) a bit better for just an couple of buck more.
Posted pricing seems a bit weird on most Chinese sites, e.g. selling E and G's at the same price as a D.
They should be going for around a 115$ ~ 125$. D's should go for around a 135$ ~ 160$ or less.
Just be sure to look at that when making your choice.
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So it is possible to install Android and Linux on this.
It should be running and 32-bit version of windows 8.1 in WIM configuration right now.
This seem an good place to start Link

Hey Buddy, just found your awesome post here.
I have the hardware drivers for those in need of them. <here>(82.1Mb)
There from the A1. Don't know if they are the same for the other models.
<i>Still waiting for the tablet, so I haven't tested any of these yet.

Sweet! Those will come in handy. Thanks, ebsbow!

i've been using this tablet for about a month now, it's a really good tablet for its price range, capable of running all kinds of daily apps that i need, a couple of nice games, and the battery life is amazing..

Guy's I am looking to get an 64Gb sd card for this. But it seems not all versions or types do work. It
does support SDXC/SDHC(obviously) 64Gb class 10.
With all those differences on sale it's troublesome to go out and buy one just randomly. Even if they are class brands.
If you could share your experiences on this that would be great. Model, type, brand etc..

Here you can read a review
http://www.retroandroid.com/review-tablet-windows-8-1-voyo-a1-mini/
Very good tablet.

Here you can see some videos:

The bang for the buck is great.
I've owned one of these for over a month now and I love it. I get a whole lot more use out of this than my ASUS TF300T.
I can't say enough good things about it, really. I've put it through it's paces and it hasn't let me down yet. I took the time to turn off eye candy where-ever possibly and applied all the usual gamer tweaks one should do to Windows and extended my battery life out a bit.
I've run Fallout 3 and Skyrim on it. Sure, it takes some concessions on video quality and some mods to reduce memory overhead, but the balance is acceptable and quite enjoyable to play. Not to mention the scads of GoG games that run well on here. Neverwinter Nights and Baldur's Gate play flawlessly.
I see people wanting to run Photoshop on it. I say, why not? While the latest and greatest Photoshop CS may be a bloated whore, Photoshop CS3 runs brilliantly here and gives access to most of the tools in the CS arsenal.
I've been able to run Linux Mint in a VM through VMPlayer, and thanks so some tips from the ASUS T100 guys have been able to at least boot Ubuntu to a terminal in native mode. So a native Linux install is certainly possible, but beyond my expertise at the moment. There is a version of this tablet that comes with Android preinstalled, but Bluestacks runs on it fine, and I've been able to launch some games using ARCHON-APK in Chrome, so I kind of have the best of both worlds there.
Hardware compatibility thusfar has been 100%. I have yet to encounter a peice of hardware that causes grief. My XBOX 360 wireless contoller and dongle work perfect, and the bluetooth is even compatible with Wiimotes, so gaming is easy. Even something as obscure as a Serial Port replicator that I have laying around for running Drivewire with my CoCo II was detected and worked without a hitch.
Like I said I've hit this thing with everything I have got and it hasn't let me down yet. I just hope someone gets a fully functional native Linux install working on it so I can use it as a portable development studio, too.

Any problems with charging?
[email protected] said:
i've been using this tablet for about a month now, it's a really good tablet for its price range, capable of running all kinds of daily apps that i need, a couple of nice games, and the battery life is amazing..
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Hi Ryan,
Do you have any problems using this device when charging? I have one, but when it is plugged in to the mains (NOT trickle charge through USB) the screen registers multiple touches for each single touch, making it unusable.
Thanks,
Jason.

@jcsammut -
I have the same issue, it appears to be bleed off from the charging circuit affecting the capacitance of the touch screen. It only seems to happen for me when the battery is fully charged. It may be the screen protector acting as a capacitor as well, not certain though. I usually will just unplug it and let it drain back down to 25% or so and plug it back in. It doesn't act that way when you charge via USB. I use a Bluetooth mouse 90% of the time so the touchscreen going berserk on a full charge isn't a game-breaker for me, personally.

themagi said:
@jcsammut -
I have the same issue, it appears to be bleed off from the charging circuit affecting the capacitance of the touch screen. It only seems to happen for me when the battery is fully charged. It may be the screen protector acting as a capacitor as well, not certain though. I usually will just unplug it and let it drain back down to 25% or so and plug it back in. It doesn't act that way when you charge via USB. I use a Bluetooth mouse 90% of the time so the touchscreen going berserk on a full charge isn't a game-breaker for me, personally.
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Strange, it happens for me regardless of charge amount, but it is sometimes intermittent at any charge level - e.g. one second it does it and the next it doesn't.
I agree that it does not do it via USB but the trickle charge is not enough to sustain a charge under normal usage and the battery depletes.
I tend to use a mouse too, but is a bit of a pain when just wanting to use the touch screen. Oh well now I know it affects multiple devices I may stick with it.
Out of interest could it be a shielding issue of the adapter itself? Would a different model help perhaps.
Thanks.

jcsammut said:
Out of interest could it be a shielding issue of the adapter itself? Would a different model help perhaps.
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Certainly couldn't hurt to try especially if you have a compatible adapter that has a ground plug. I've never noticed if the plug on the stock adapter is polarized. It might make a difference if the polarity is switched.

I have the same thing around 80% when the battery is charging. Only horizontally.
I seem to remember reading something about an little adapter thingy to add to the charger tip.

Buggster said:
I have the same thing around 80% when the battery is charging. Only horizontally.
I seem to remember reading something about an little adapter thingy to add to the charger tip.
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Interesting, I just tried portrait but it still happens.
Any idea what the 'little adapter thingy' is?
I am trying to find an alternative power supply, but everyone seems to offer a 9v 2a adapter with a 2.5mm barrel, when this take a 2mm barrel.
Cheers!

No buddy, can't recall. I forgot reading about something regarding this kind of problem before I got the tablet.
Some adapter. 2mm in, something magical in between, 2mm out
I'll may look into it later today. Probably have an link to it somewhere..
edit;
you can also try an usb to 2mm cable on an prober usb adapter

Buggster said:
No buddy, can't recall. I forgot reading about something regarding this kind of problem before I got the tablet.
Some adapter. 2mm in, something magical in between, 2mm out
I'll may look into it later today. Probably have an link to it somewhere..
edit;
you can also try an usb to 2mm cable on an prober usb adapter
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Cheers mate, I will try searching for that, as searching google for "2mm in, something magical in between, 2mm out" returned some very 'intersting' results .......magic gold rope anyone?.

Did some research and this touchscreen issue is definitely related to the ungrounded charger supplied by the manufacturer.
Apparently it's a common problem with newer touchscreens because of the push for thinness. It produces EMI interference that causes a "ripple" effect to cross the screen outward from the charging plug. This is why the extra touches always seem to be in-line with your finger. A way to avoid it "temporarily" is to touch the grounded edge of the USB port or other exposed metal surface while using the touchscreen. It puts you on the same ground plane as the device and "mutes" the "ripple" effect.
The cleaner the power from the Mains the less you'll notice this effect. So a quality surge filter will probably help at the plug end.
You could also try one of these.. Which should filter the noise out and "mute" the "ripple."
I think I have one of those barrel filters at my house. I'll try to find it and see if it works for me. Touching the USB port works for sure as I've tried it myself.

Magic gold rope, my basement visitor may appreciate that. Eew. Just kidding guy's!
What I have reckoned so far is that using 1.5a vs 2.0a charge would be beneficial to
lessen the interference when loading. So at this point I suspect using 'a' capacitor,
as already suggested, as the magic part. The extra benefit would be an longer cable!
It would slowdown the loading cycle, but don't see a problem there.
Anyone volunteering to make an schematic?
edit; good find thmagi. didn't see your post there.

The Cube iWork 7 hands-on review – the smallest Windows tablet to date

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2014 is the year of Windows tablets, as we have seen all sizes of Windows 8 tablets taking over the market that has been dominated by Android and iOS for years. While people are still debating whether 8-inch tablets are too small for running Windows 8, certain manufacturers try to push things even further. That is exactly what has happened here, the Cube iWork 7 is the very first 7-inch Windows 8 tablets on the market.
Key Features
7 inch IPS display at 1280*800 pixels
Weighs 280g, 190.8*111*8.8mm in size.
Intel Atom Bay-trail Z3735G Quad-core CPU, 1GB RAM
Windows 8.1
Office 365 with one year free subscription
16GB of built-in-storage, expandable by TF card
2MP front-facing camera & 2MP rear-facing camera
AAC speaker
Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 4.0
USB host
Micro SD card slot
3500mAh Li-Po rechargeable battery, 4-5 hours battery life
Design and Build
The iWork 7 is not going to win any beauty contests. It is very much the plane Jane of small tablets. There is nothing on this tablet that you wouldn’t have seen before; a plastic rear, black front bezel, and rounded corners. But it feels reasonably well-made., at only 8.8mm it is slimmer than most Windows tablets on the market, and at 280g it’s as light as any 7-inch Android tablet.
The iWork 7 is designed for portrait use. The front is dominated by a 7-inch IPS display at 1280*800px. The bezel on the left and right side of the display is quite small, making the tablet easy to be held in one hand. The relatively bigger bezel up and down makes sure that you have a place to rest your fingers while using the tablet in horizontal mode.
Along the side you will find all the physical controls, ports and slots. There are a 3.5mm audio jack, a Micro SD card slot, a Micro USB port for both data transmission and charging, a Mini HDMI port, and a Power/standby Key on the left side, a volume rocker and a Windows Home button on the top side.
The front-facing camera sits above the display, while the 2MP rear-facing camera sits in the upper left corner of the rear side.
Display
The iWork 7's display is certainly not going to set the world alight. It has a 1,280*800-pixel resolution, which is pretty standard for an inexpensive Windows tablet and enough for the Windows Desktop and for web browsing.
Everything looks perfectly fine if you stay in the Windows 8 interface and the applications installed from the Windows store. If you enter into the traditional Windows desktop, icons, letters, and even dialogs sometimes look too small.
Usability
7-inches, 280 grams, 8.8mm thick is, with respect to Windows PCs, very impressive. In terms of consumer tablets it’s average though and the obvious comparison is the iPad Mini2 and the Samsung Galaxy Tab S, both of which are slimmer than 7mm. Still, it’s good enough for a long-term reading session and absolutely fine as a sofa companion and with 7-inches of screen you get much more usability in landscape mode as a mini PC with a Bluetooth keyboard.
One thing that does expose itself more than on any other recent Windows 8 PC is the presence of the desktop. Regular reboots to install patches are awkward. Pop-ups from security software and the occasional feeling that you might have left something running on the desktop constantly remind you that this isn’t a simple tablet. Also obvious is the immature Store. You can find almost everything you need, but the quality is poor. YouTube takes so long to start streaming for example. Some apps just seem to re-start occasionally and there’s poor use of screen space in many cases. This will surely improve over time with more Windows tablets sold day by day, but for now, it is no match for the Apple app store or Google Play.
Portrait mode use is best for thumb-typing and auto-correct in Windows 8 applications is very good. There doesn’t seem to be a way to turn on haptics when typing, if that’s something you like.
As the tablet runs the full version of Windows, you have the luxury of choosing from tablet-specific apps from the Store, or using any traditional Windows application that takes your fancy. This means that, for example, you could forget about Office 365 and use MPS Office, or use the full version of Xunlei Kankan instead of the more limited tablet-specific version.
Because none of the applications above are designed for a touchscreen, they can be fiddly to use. You have to be careful with your prodding to make sure you hit the option you need.
If you do wish to use it as a PC, plugging in a keyboard or mouse should be the right first move, yet it is also tricky as the tablet has no full-size USB port, so you have to make do with Bluetooth peripherals designed for tablets or connect the slate to an OTG adapter. If you feel that the 7-inch display is too small for mouse operations, you can always take advantage of the HDMI port and view things on a bigger Screen. With everything said, unlike the Surface Pro or Acer Iconia W700, the iWork 7 isn’t the tablet that can replace your laptop.
Performance
Inside the Cube iWork 7 is a quad-core "Bay Trail" Intel Atom processor, coupled with 1GB RAM. This is a powerful mobile processor, as shown by its score of 19 in peacekeeper benchmark test - as much as we see from some laptops. The iWork 7 has no problem running Windows 8.1 smoothly and dealing with complicated web pages, or playing HD video from the BBC iPlayer website.
There is no problem in video playback, either, as all sorts of decoders can be installed to make sure that 1080P videos flow smoothly.
The tablet's small 1GB RAM could prove to be a sticking point, however. Office 365, for example - a free 1-year subscription comes with the tablet - was occasionally laggy, if easy to use with the touchscreen. And with several bigger applications running at the same time you will constantly receive the notification of insufficient RAM.
Cameras
The iWork 7 has dual cameras. The front-facing 2MP camera can be used for Skype video-chatting, and the rear-facing 2MP camera can take photos for Instagram updates, but don’t expect any quality here as even daylight snaps can be quite noisy.
Battery Life​
The iWork 7 only has a 3,500mAh Li-Po battery, which is small even by Android standards. Battery life is covered in detail below but worth mentioning is that screen-on time is disappointing. 4hrs 30m is the average so far over two weeks, and that can be considered poor compared to the 6-7 hours the iWork 8 was able to offer.
Verdict​
The new, cheaper Windows license has helped Chinese manufacturers bring Windows 8.1 tablets to the market for very affordable prices. The lack of USB ports limits the usefulness of having the full version of Windows, so if you're after a tablet mainly for surfing the web and sending emails we'd still recommend an Android model such as the Google Nexus 7, or its cheaper Chinese counterparts. If for whatever reason you'd like a tablet with access to the full range of Windows applications, the iWork 7 is impressive value, but we prefer the Cube iWork 8, which is around $33 more expensive, but has twice the RAM and storage and better battery life.

wifi and bluetooth driver
i bought cube iwork 7 today, and wifi is not working, so i checked the driver, its drive shows a yellow triangle, i think the driver is missing
where can i find the driver?

chhoung said:
i bought cube iwork 7 today, and wifi is not working, so i checked the driver, its drive shows a yellow triangle, i think the driver is missing
where can i find the driver?
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Oh, that is tricky...I don't know the answer to this question, but let me ask around for you.

jupiter2012 said:
Oh, that is tricky...I don't know the answer to this question, but let me ask around for you.
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i have installed the driver but it is still not working:crying:

jupiter2012 said:
Oh, that is tricky...I don't know the answer to this question, but let me ask around for you.
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hello,, could you back up your wifi driver and bluetooth driver? could you send me the driver?
realtek rtl8723bs wireless lan 802.11n sdio network adapter
realtek blurtooth UART bus driver

chhoung said:
hello,, could you back up your wifi driver and bluetooth driver? could you send me the driver?
realtek rtl8723bs wireless lan 802.11n sdio network adapter
realtek blurtooth UART bus driver
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I already returned my unit after the review.

Hello, I found Cube iwork7 with 32GB disk and 2GB ram for 126 USD, what you mean 2gigs will help this tablet because I know 1gig of ram is not enough. But what you mean it will be better, and is it good buy or not???
And sorry for my bad english

Onda V975W (aka my cheap surface alternative) Experiences

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http://klonom.com/onda-v975w-aka-my-cheap-surface-alternative-experiences/
And here go my first impressions of my new Onda V975W Tablet. It has Windows 8.1 (fully, no RT cr*p) preinstalled, 2 GB RAM, Bay Trail quadcore processor (each up to 1.8 GHz) and a Retina Display.
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I bought the tablet out of two main reasons. First of all my old Lenovo S10 netbook is dying slowly, so I need a replacement. Secondly I was interested in the Surface tablets, but their prices are way to high in my opinion. Obviously you get a lot for its price, but I do not really need an i7 processor in my tablet. My tablet should be powerful, but does not need to be too much, since for main tasks I still use my bigger main computer. Then my focus got on the Onda V975W tablet. I bought it at eFox for roughly 195€ with sending (slow registered air mail) und customs insurance. Although I chose slow sending, the parcel already arrived two and a half weeks later. Let’s start with the specs:
Specifications:
-Windows 8.1 (no RT)
-9.7 Zoll Display
-2048×1536 Resolution
-2 GB RAM, 32 GB ROM
-5 MP backcamera, 2 MP fontcamera (according eFox)
-MicroHDMI Output
-MicroUSB Input
-MicroSD slot
– 7800mAh Akku (according eFox)
-Intel Z3735D processor
Items delivered:
The tablet was delivered in a worthy looking box with chinese texts on it. Additionally to the tablet itself, not much was given beside. Just a short chinese manual and a charger (5V, 2.5A according to the label). There was no Windows 8.1 or Windows 365 license card put in beside, which was reported to be the case in other boards. On a request the shop answered that this would be simply not part of the product. Since I already have an unused Windows 8 license, this is not a big downside for me, but for people without this could become a hurdle when they want to reinstall Windows.
First impressions:
After the unboxing I was very surprised of the worthy look of the tablet. It is really a look-a-like of the iPad Air (so much, that even iPad Air cases can be used mostly, more on that later). The front has a camera in the top middle inside the white border. I did not try the back- or the front camera yet, I will update this later.
The back is made from brushed aluminium. It feels nicely cool when touched. On the bottom there are stereo speakers. Above them, there are product details lasered in, pretty much like at the iPad. At the top side the HW buttons are placed: Power and the volume rocker. Both seem worthy and have a nice pressure point.
At the top side the ports are placed: MicroSD, MicroHDMI, MicroUSB and headphone jack. Additionally a microphone.
First use:
I already prepared myself, that the tablet arrives in chinese language. At least that was reported for most of the V975W of the latter generations. But my Windows was already changed to english (at least most parts) and an user account called “as” was set up. And wow, the resolution looks amazing! No pixels can be determined at all on the Retina display. A few tweaks later also the last parts of remained chinese language were gone. Also the newest BIOS and drivers were installed. So I started and installed some programs like Thunderbird and Firefox and was happy, since everything ran smoothly. The CPU usage while Idle is at about 0-3%, while about 40-45% of the RAM is used. The latter one can be still optimised, for the case that no applications which heavily use the GPU are used. That’s the case, since the GPU splits up 500 MB of RAM by default. It is said that this can be reduced to 256 MB without problems, but I haven’t tried it yet. A small downside is the small internal memory, since with Windows installed there are just about 11 GB free by default. That’s why I installed most of the programms on my 64 GB microSD card.
Usage:
The touch display responds quick and after a bit getting used to, Windows 8 can be nicely navigated by touch. Just the typing I do not really like on the display. That is why I wanted to have a kind of “Type Cover” from the Surface for my V975W. Good point here, that the V975W is so close to the iPad Air, that even many cases fit. Anyhow, my first try failed. I ordered a keyboard case from Anker for the iPad Air (“Slim Folio Bluetooth Keyboard Case”). With a bit force it fitted, but not really nicely. But the second try worked out. For about 22€ I bought this case with bluetooth keyboard and it sits perfect! Just the ports can not be perfectly reached, so I cutted a small hole for the microUSB (see last picture). Also the backcamera does not sit perfectly over the hole, but this does not bother me, since I never really understood the sense of backcameras for tablets .
The keyboard can be removed (holds via magnets) and the top cover can be moved to the back, very nice for using while sitting.
The keyboard can nicely be used for typing. In fact, I am writing this article on this keyboard. After a few seconds of not using it, it goes into sleep mode and the first keyboard hit is ignored while waking up, but all in all it has a nice respond.
Battery:
The battery I can not really rate yet. According to the shop it has a capacity of 7.8 Ah. The charging takes many hours, also with the delivered charger. At normal usage the battery holds for about 6-7h. Obviously it has to be considered, that the display has a very high resolution and it has a full Windows. I will still make some tests for the battery and will update this part later.
First conclusion:
I do not want to give a final conclusion yet, since this Windows 8 tablet has so many aspects which I did not test yet and might still change my opinion. Untill now I am fully satisfied with my decision. I could not find any other tablet with preinstalled Windows and such a high resolution for this price. As an alternative for a cheap “china-Surface” it pretty much fits my needs (except the internal memory).

It does look nice! But yeah, that 2GB of RAM and 32GB of storage (those are OK stats for a smartphone, but kind of crap otherwise; my first-gen RT tablet has more) is a deal-killer for me. Thanks for the review though! You may want to mention the MicroSD slot in the feature list at top (better than an iPad in that way!)

Thanks for the microSD card thing, totally forgot to mention it there . Untill now everything works smooth for me, will see if it stays like that.

Ive had my v975w for just over a month now and i love it. its more than met my expectations.
its fast, well designed and battery life is very good for a windows device.
My only compliant is the micro usb is used for charging so you cant use micro usb and charge at the same time but am thats fairly common across a lot of tablets.
i now look at my desktop pc and think "should i pack that away" as i dont see the need for it anymore. (i ditched pc gaming years ago) but i feel cruel abandoning my trusty old pc like ive betrayed it, even though its just a machine, lol am weird i know

Tonian1878 said:
Ive had my v975w for just over a month now and i love it. its more than met my expectations.
its fast, well designed and battery life is very good for a windows device.
My only compliant is the micro usb is used for charging so you cant use micro usb and charge at the same time but am thats fairly common across a lot of tablets.
i now look at my desktop pc and think "should i pack that away" as i dont see the need for it anymore. (i ditched pc gaming years ago) but i feel cruel abandoning my trusty old pc like ive betrayed it, even though its just a machine, lol am weird i know
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There are some cables which are actually capable of charging and data connection at the same time. Other users of the Onda V975W report this one as working:
http://www.pabbos.com/36884493084.shtml
Really close to get one too .

Yeah ive ordered a otg+charge cable but from what ive read, its abit hit or miss which devices actually support them.
find out when it arrives

Tonian1878 said:
Yeah ive ordered a otg+charge cable but from what ive read, its abit hit or miss which devices actually support them.
find out when it arrives
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The one which I posted is reported by other Onda V975W users to work with this specific tablet.

KloNom said:
The one which I posted is reported by other Onda V975W users to work with this specific tablet.
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the one ive ordered is different. that is a USB hub within the OTG cable. ive ordered a OTG thats split, female micro USB for charge and normal female USB for OTG.
was only £1.50 so not much lost if it doesnt work. fingers crossed
any luck with cases?
Ive ordered a bluetooth Keyboard cover that is meant for the ipad air. not arrived yet but hoping it fits ok with the design being identical to the ipad air

Tonian1878 said:
the one ive ordered is different. that is a USB hub within the OTG cable. ive ordered a OTG thats split, female micro USB for charge and normal female USB for OTG.
was only £1.50 so not much lost if it doesnt work. fingers crossed
any luck with cases?
Ive ordered a bluetooth Keyboard cover that is meant for the ipad air. not arrived yet but hoping it fits ok with the design being identical to the ipad air
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You can see my case in the pictures, it is also for the iPad Air. It was really cheap, around 22€ and untill now working fine. I ordered a not fitting one for the first time, but the second was a hit .

KloNom said:
You can see my case in the pictures, it is also for the iPad Air. It was really cheap, around 22€ and untill now working fine. I ordered a not fitting one for the first time, but the second was a hit .
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oh yeah lol. my cover arrived
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00IHQ1WQU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00
made up with it. fits perfectly and the design is a perfect match for the Onda v975w. nice spacing between keys as well considering its a small keyboard

Tonian1878 said:
oh yeah lol. my cover arrived
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00IHQ1WQU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00
made up with it. fits perfectly and the design is a perfect match for the Onda v975w. nice spacing between keys as well considering its a small keyboard
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That looks really cool! Do the keys touch the display?

KloNom said:
That looks really cool! Do the keys touch the display?
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assume you mean when its closed. no it doesnt seem to but the is also a little on/off switch on the keyboard so you can just turn it off when your closing it.
only complaint is: the is a backspace button but no delete button, so you cant press ctrl+alt+del to access the task manager but luckily windows 8 has made is easier to access the task manager without pushing ctrl+alt+del.

Tonian1878 said:
assume you mean when its closed. no it doesnt seem to but the is also a little on/off switch on the keyboard so you can just turn it off when your closing it.
only complaint is: the is a backspace button but no delete button, so you cant press ctrl+alt+del to access the task manager but luckily windows 8 has made is easier to access the task manager without pushing ctrl+alt+del.
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Yes, I have the same problem with the Task Manager . Still want to make an alternative shortcut for it, but for now I am just using a shortcut on the desktop.