I decided I am going to sell my Samsung Galaxy S4 so that I can get the Google Edition when it is released. I spent a long time debating whether or not I should open the box. It's killing me having an S4 in my room and not being able to use it.
In the end I decided to wait for these reasons:
1. The Google Edition phone is guaranteed to have a stable operating system that gets prompt updates directly from Google
2. Even though the AT&T Galaxy S4 is 99% sure the bootloader will be unlocked the Google Edition ships with an unlocked bootloader which is nice.
3. No one is for sure if the AOSP ROM from the google edition will be able to run on the AT&T phone or not. It seems that it is likely but I need to be sure.
In the end the AT&T Galaxy S4 and the Google Edition may very well be the exact same phone but no one knows for sure yet and I would rather not take the chance. I listed my phone on Swappa for $580.
Do you think this is a wise choice or should I abort the sale and just keep my Galaxy S4?
You made this thread. You have doubts so I'd say keep it. You're gonna have to wait a month or so depending on how limited supply the Google edition is.
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jetlitheone said:
You made this thread. You have doubts so I'd say keep it. You're gonna have to wait a month or so depending on how limited supply the Google edition is.
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I made this thread because I really want to keep it but at the same time I will be forever mad at myself if I keep it and it is not able to flash the google edition roms. Touchwiz is not something I am willing to use.
Then sell it man. No point keeping it if you already have doubts.
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They are the same phone, most likely there will be a port for the google rom very soon
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hotdog32836 said:
They are the same phone, most likely there will be a port for the google rom very soon
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Thats what scares me though...everyone is saying most likely.
Also where have you found that it is the same phone?
Well if you don't like touchwiz, then I would just get google edition, the only reason I'm not getting google edition is I wanna try out touch wiz.. if I don't like it then I'll use aosp or a launcher no biggie
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You are so going to be kicking yourself when it hits the shelves and all you can get is a China phone with the same model # and hardware...
I say keep the S4 then flash the Google edition ROM on it
jedinegotiator said:
Thats what scares me though...everyone is saying most likely.
Also where have you found that it is the same phone?
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Just sell it and closed this thread this is pointless or go buy a htc one and get off the s4 threads .
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joeybear23 said:
You are so going to be kicking yourself when it hits the shelves and all you can get is a China phone with the same model # and hardware...
I say keep the S4 then flash the Google edition ROM on it
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What do you mean a China phone? If I get the Google Edition it will come straight from the Play Store. I just like the idea of having an S4 officially supported by Google like my Nexus 4.
jedinegotiator said:
What do you mean a China phone? If I get the Google Edition it will come straight from the Play Store. I just like the idea of having an S4 officially supported by Google like my Nexus 4.
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He means the google edition will be made in china vs korea I think the Google edition will have a lower processor.
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What is this google edition with a stable operating system you speak of? How dare Samsung sell us this piece of #$"! of a phone without a stable operating system.
jedinegotiator said:
Thats what scares me though...everyone is saying most likely.
Also where have you found that it is the same phone?
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Google will be selling this phone directly through the Play Store. No way is Samsung re-engineering or altering their device for Google, they are simply allowing Google to resell it with their own software. I would be shocked if the Google GS4 is different hardware considering it will be out in just over a month.
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jedinegotiator said:
What do you mean a China phone? If I get the Google Edition it will come straight from the Play Store. I just like the idea of having an S4 officially supported by Google like my Nexus 4.
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The US GS4 handsets are made in Korea and China. there has been some discussion that the ones made in China are of a lesser quality than those made in Korea (heat, lag, etc)... I have one made in Korea, and haven't seen any of those issues.
At some point we will get Aosp roms on the S4, may take some time, but we will get it.
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joeybear23 said:
Google will be selling this phone directly through the Play Store. No way is Samsung re-engineering or altering their device for Google, they are simply allowing Google to resell it with their own software. I would be shocked if the Google GS4 is different hardware considering it will be out in just over a month.
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The US GS4 handsets are made in Korea and China. there has been some discussion that the ones made in China are of a lesser quality than those made in Korea (heat, lag, etc)... I have one made in Korea, and haven't seen any of those issues.
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How do I tell if the Galaxy S4 I have now is made in Korea or China? Is the Play Store GS4 definitely going to be made in China?
getbuzzin said:
What is this google edition with a stable operating system you speak of? How dare Samsung sell us this piece of #$"! of a phone without a stable operating system.
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Im not talking about touchwiz being stable. I mean if the ATT Galaxy were to tun AOSP would it be stable since it is a port?
Also there are several versions of the GS4 out now. No ones knows which one the play store will have.
Personally I would keep it you know developers will port the Google version to it. Why spend more money for same phone. Plus you know the Google version will be limited supply initially with long wait time unless you are the lucky few who order within 5 minutes of it going up for sale. Sometimes I think both Google and Apple make low supply on purpose to seem like phone are hot sellers.
qbanlinxx said:
At some point we will get Aosp roms on the S4, may take some time, but we will get it.
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The Google edition ROM will be available from our fantastic devs within hours of them hitting the shelves. Bank on it.
joeybear23 said:
The Google edition ROM will be available from our fantastic devs within hours of them hitting the shelves. Bank on it.
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Exaxtly, it will be extremely easy since it is the exact same hardware
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jedinegotiator said:
How do I tell if the Galaxy S4 I have now is made in Korea or China? Is the Play Store GS4 definitely going to be made in China?
Im not talking about touchwiz being stable. I mean if the ATT Galaxy were to tun AOSP would it be stable since it is a port?
Also there are several versions of the GS4 out now. No ones knows which one the play store will have.
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Look under your battery.
I don't know if it will or not, but if I were a gambling man I would bet on it. Cheaper labor to mass produce phones that came back with higher demand than expected...
qbanlinxx said:
At some point we will get Aosp roms on the S4, may take some time, but we will get it.
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I'll be surprised if it takes any significant amount of time. The internals will be nearly identical, so once the bootloader is unlocked, the phones will be functionally identical.
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Hello,
I just got my Verizon Note 3 a few weeks ago. I am trying to install Cyanogenmod and I'm having problems.
I rooted my phone and I currently have Android version 4.3 and my build number is MJE.
When I go to flash a new recovery so I can get into the bootloader my phone resets and I get this message "System software not authorized by Verizon wireless has been found on your phone. please go to the nearest Verizon wireless store for help"
What can I do? I have tried this several times. I am pissed because I own my phone/compute "my phone is a computer" and I want to do what ever I want with it. The whole point why I jumped from the iPhone was I wanted the freedom of doing what ever I want with my android device.
Help please,
Thanks!
BLD_007 said:
Hello,
I just got my Verizon Note 3 a few weeks ago. I am trying to install Cyanogenmod and I'm having problems.
I rooted my phone and I currently have Android version 4.3 and my build number is MJE.
When I go to flash a new recovery so I can get into the bootloader my phone resets and I get this message "System software not authorized by Verizon wireless has been found on your phone. please go to the nearest Verizon wireless store for help"
What can I do? I have tried this several times. I am pissed because I own my phone/compute "my phone is a computer" and I want to do what ever I want with it. The whole point why I jumped from the iPhone was I wanted the freedom of doing what ever I want with my android device.
Help please,
Thanks!
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"Ha freedom"
-Verizon Wireless
They don't care about thier customers, they have your money.
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Brandonrz said:
"Ha freedom"
-Verizon Wireless
They don't care about thier customers, they have your money.
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thanks for the help there...
BLD_007 said:
Hello,
I just got my Verizon Note 3 a few weeks ago. I am trying to install Cyanogenmod and I'm having problems.
I rooted my phone and I currently have Android version 4.3 and my build number is MJE.
When I go to flash a new recovery so I can get into the bootloader my phone resets and I get this message "System software not authorized by Verizon wireless has been found on your phone. please go to the nearest Verizon wireless store for help"
What can I do? I have tried this several times. I am pissed because I own my phone/compute "my phone is a computer" and I want to do what ever I want with it. The whole point why I jumped from the iPhone was I wanted the freedom of doing what ever I want with my android device.
Help please,
Thanks!
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Unless you have the Dev Edition Note 3, you cannot flash a custom recovery and bootloader to retail Verizon Note 3. You have to do some research before you flash in Android world. You can try Odin with MJE image and that get you back. FYI you might have tripped knox.
gmony01 said:
Unless you have the Dev Edition Note 3, you cannot flash a custom recovery and bootloader to retail Verizon Note 3. You have to do some research before you flash in Android world. You can try Odin with MJE image and that get you back. FYI you might have tripped knox.
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So with my Verizon Note 3 there is no way to load a custom ROM? I'm stuck with retail software? I already have MJE loaded on my phone. MJE was already there when I bought it.
BLD_007 said:
thanks for the help there...
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How are you sending message to forum from you phone via Tapatalk from your Note 3 if its not working?
BLD_007 said:
So with my Verizon Note 3 there is no way to load a custom ROM? I'm stuck with retail software? I already have MJE loaded on my phone. MJE was already there when I bought it.
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You first need to flash SafeStrap. Find it in the Android Development section. Then you can flash any of the TouchWiz based custom ROMs that you see there. Only thing you can't do is flash a custom recovery, and a custom kernel (hence you can not flash CM11).
This is why you should have bought a Developer Addition. Go here and read, this should help. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2543386 or here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2483380
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gmony01 said:
How are you sending message to forum from you phone via Tapatalk from your Note 3 if its not working?
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I have no idea what you are talking about. I started my post from my computer. Just because I am having problems does not mean my phone is bricked. I am replying with my phone now.
@bld you will need to Odin back to stock and then reroot. After rerooting you will need to install SafeStrap. It is based on TWRP and keeps your stock system safe while you flash away in other slots that you created. Unfortunately you are restricted to MJE based TW ROMs. Cannot flash CM11 via SS. There are a bunch of posts about how to recover and install SS. Hope this helps you out some.
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Ok, let me make sure I understand all of this correctly...
Because I have the Verizon version of the Note 3 I can NOT install cyanogenmod even though Verizon is listed
The main reason for getting a custom OS is this. I HATE bloatware that I can't uninstall. I HATE how Verizon is blocking google wallet. I really want to use google wallet but I can't because Verizon wants you to use ISIS and that means signing up for their debit card. Google wallet lets you use any card but ISIS requires you to use theirs.
Thank you for the help guys...
BLD_007 said:
Ok, let me make sure I understand all of this correctly...
Because I have the Verizon version of the Note 3 I can NOT install cyanogenmod even though Verizon is listed
The main reason for getting a custom OS is this. I HATE bloatware that I can't uninstall. I HATE how Verizon is blocking google wallet. I really want to use google wallet but I can't because Verizon wants you to use ISIS and that means signing up for their debit card. Google wallet lets you use any card but ISIS requires you to use theirs.
Thank you for the help guys...
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Yes you would need the VZW Dev version. I have Google wallet installed and working as well as Isis.
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mdorrett said:
Yes you would need the VZW Dev version. I have Google wallet installed and working as well as Isis.
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What OS did you install with? How can I know what version of the phone I'm getting? Will it list it being a DEV version?
I installed it on 4.3 and yes on the inside battery cover it will say developers edition. But unless you bought directly from Sammy unlikely you will receive a dev edition. When I did an exchange on my Note 2 back in the day I manage to get a Dev edition as a repacement. Not sure if they were supposed to send it or was just lucky. Also I believe the Dev edition note 3 runs a different base and kernel version.
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mdorrett said:
I installed it on 4.3 and yes on the inside battery cover it will say developers edition. But unless you bought directly from Sammy unlikely you will receive a dev edition. When I did an exchange on my Note 2 back in the day I manage to get a Dev edition as a repacement. Not sure if they were supposed to send it or was just lucky. Also I believe the Dev edition note 3 runs a different base and kernel version.
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Thank you for the help!
Just to make sure you have CyanogenMod installed on your Verizon Note 3 Dev version and Google Wallet tap and pay works?
I'm just trying to clear everything thing up before I ask for a replacement... When I go for the replacement how do I get the Dev version? Do I ask the person to check the battery compartment or do I have to order it from Samsung?
If it helps, I bought my just a few weeks ago at a Bestbuy...
Here give this a try and ket me know if it works for you. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0bramxrx353f80n/com.google.android.apps.walletnfcrel-2.apk
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mdorrett said:
Here give this a try and ket me know if it works for you. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0bramxrx353f80n/com.google.android.apps.walletnfcrel-2.apk
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I'm sorry, what is this? Do I flash this? The file not dropbox.. I know what dropbox is.
Thank you for the help. I am just very pissed off at Verizon. I want to use my phone the way I want to. I jailbroke my iPhones because I want freedom. I went to android for the reason that it was open and free. I am pissed that Verizon has it locked down tight.
BLD_007 said:
I'm just trying to clear everything thing up before I ask for a replacement... When I go for the replacement how do I get the Dev version? Do I ask the person to check the battery compartment or do I have to order it from Samsung?
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You can only buy a new Developer Edition directly from Samsung($700). However, they are on backorder, and only become available infrequently. Or keep an eye on eBay and Swappa.com(about $750 typically). They will show up there, once in a while.
BLD_007 said:
Thank you for the help!
Just to make sure you have CyanogenMod installed on your Verizon Note 3 Dev version and Google Wallet tap and pay works?
I'm just trying to clear everything thing up before I ask for a replacement... When I go for the replacement how do I get the Dev version? Do I ask the person to check the battery compartment or do I have to order it from Samsung?
If it helps, I bought my just a few weeks ago at a Bestbuy...
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Ask for a replacement? What in the world are you speaking of? No replacement will be Dev Edition, unless you have a fluke occurance like the other person did (which won't happen). You WILL get laughed at asking for a Dev Edition (and/or they won't even know what the hell you're talking about). You HAVE to buy Dev Edition directly from Samsung, or one privately from a person who bought it from Samsung. And I'm pretty sure you wouldn't even get a "replacement" of a retail edition.... If there's nothing functionally wrong with your phone, nobody is going to replace anything.
You'd know if you had Dev Edition because you'd pay an arm and a leg for it, as stated before (700 plus tax from Sammy, or 750-1000 on swappa/ebay).
The CM thread says it supports VZW because it supports Verizon Dev Edition, that is all. Not retail.
My Note 3 Dev Edition did NOT say Dev Edition on the battery cover either..... don't know that anyone's does... Only says it on the box, and in download mode info.
I feel like my head wants to explode right now.....
TechSavvy2 said:
Ask for a replacement? What in the world are you speaking of? No replacement will be Dev Edition, unless you have a fluke occurance like the other person did (which won't happen). You WILL get laughed at asking for a Dev Edition (and/or they won't even know what the hell you're talking about). You HAVE to buy Dev Edition directly from Samsung, or one privately from a person who bought it from Samsung. And I'm pretty sure you wouldn't even get a "replacement" of a retail edition.... If there's nothing functionally wrong with your phone, nobody is going to replace anything.
You'd know if you had Dev Edition because you'd pay an arm and a leg for it, as stated before (700 plus tax from Sammy, or 750-1000 on swappa/ebay).
The CM thread says it supports VZW because it supports Verizon Dev Edition, that is all. Not retail.
My Note 3 Dev Edition did NOT say Dev Edition on the battery cover either..... don't know that anyone's does... Only says it on the box, and in download mode info.
I feel like my head wants to explode right now.....
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????BOOM????? I couldn't resist.....
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Looks like AT&T is not being the first to roll out the 4.4.4 update. I'm guessing it will be happening sooner than later.
Here is a list of the updates happening:
Android 4.4.4
HD voice Icon support
International Wi-Fi Calling support
Google Security Patches
Knox 2.0
Kids Mode
I got this from Samsung's website talking about Sprint:
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?fm_seq=73981&faq_id=FAQ00057083
I also heard from rumors that they are planning to unlock our bootlooder. I wouldn't put to much weight in that though.
But, Knox 2.0? What is that?
I lost hope on a bootloader unlock
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too late.
i getting NoteEdge next month if she' out.
I don't think bootloader is in the firmware updates if it was I would think it would of been hacked buy now. I'm guessing we need to find a way to flash the bootloader it self
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I'm thinking it's locked down buy hardware
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lawalty said:
I also heard from rumors that they are planning to unlock our bootlooder.
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There's no way that's happening in a million years.
lawalty said:
Looks like AT&T is not being the first to roll out the 4.4.4 update. I'm guessing it will be happening sooner than later.
Here is a list of the updates happening:
Android 4.4.4
HD voice Icon support
International Wi-Fi Calling support
Google Security Patches
Knox 2.0
Kids Mode
I got this from Samsung's website talking about Sprint:
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?fm_seq=73981&faq_id=FAQ00057083
I also heard from rumors that they are planning to unlock our bootlooder. I wouldn't put to much weight in that though.
But, Knox 2.0? What is that?
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Knox 2.0? The opposite of unlocked bootloader! ?
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zaptear said:
I don't think bootloader is in the firmware updates if it was I would think it would of been hacked buy now. I'm guessing we need to find a way to flash the bootloader it self
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I'm thinking it's locked down buy hardware
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Lol! Like if that's ever going to happen! If there was any possible way, wouldn't it be already done?
Ya I guess so I do know this is my last Samsung phone. Looking in to oneplus phones.
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Another thought is, since the new Note 4 is so close to the Note 3, as far as what we can do with it, I really don't see that much of a software update happening.
Think about it. Sammy's main goal is to make more $$ on the new hardware, so why invest more time andc $$ in an update?
Just a thought.
lawalty said:
Sammy's main goal is to make more $$ on the new hardware, so why invest more time andc $$ in an update?
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Supposedly they have to support us with updates and stuff for 18 months. The Note 3 has been out for almost a year, so we should still be getting 4.4.4 and L. I have a feeling they're going to skip 4.4.4 and go straight to L, which I will be avoiding at all costs.
Is L no good
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zaptear said:
Is L no good
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AT&T/Samsung updates go in the direction of maximum corporate security, so unless you're the network admin for some company, probably not. (They want to turn your phone into the company's phone, so if you're not in the business of buying your employer a phone that they allow you minimal use of, Samsung is no longer the phone to buy.
Maybe if they lose enough business, they'll change their policy.
Ya oneplus phone is what I'm thinking
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zaptear said:
Is L no good
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L= downfall of Android. Read up on it and you will see why. After the KitKat update fiasco earlier this year I've learned my lesson and plan to stay put on 4.4.2 until my Note 3 dies.
I'm thinking 4.4.4 sooner rather then later. I'm assuming several months before an "L" release.
D4nielC said:
I'm thinking 4.4.4 sooner rather then later. I'm assuming several months before an "L" release.
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This is what I'm going to go with. L is a long ways away for Samsung devices. Look how long 4.4.4 has been out and we still haven't seen it. I wish it was different and AT&T had speedy updates but sadly that's not the case.
Face_Plant said:
L= downfall of Android. Read up on it and you will see why. After the KitKat update fiasco earlier this year I've learned my lesson and plan to stay put on 4.4.2 until my Note 3 dies.
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I did a couple of Google searches and didn't come up with anything obvious (maybe cause I used Google search?). Can you provide a link, or shed some light on why you're saying this?
Will you be moving away from android once your Note dies?
undrwater said:
I did a couple of Google searches and didn't come up with anything obvious (maybe cause I used Google search?). Can you provide a link, or shed some light on why you're saying this?
Will you be moving away from android once your Note dies?
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I don't have a link but I read that samsung and android are going to partner up and integrate Knox into android. At least that what I think he means.
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undrwater said:
I did a couple of Google searches and didn't come up with anything obvious (maybe cause I used Google search?). Can you provide a link, or shed some light on why you're saying this?
Will you be moving away from android once your Note dies?
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I'm saying L= bad because I've read rumors about how Google will be incorporating Knox or something like it into the source code. It'll be locked down tighter than NC2 and may be the end of root and ROMs. Supposedly even the Nexus 5 guys had a hard time rooting the L developer preview.
I'll wait and see if the rumors about L are true before moving away from Android. There's no way I'd be caught dead with an iPhone and Windows phones don't appeal to me.
I'll see if I can get you some links after work.
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I'm saying L= bad because I've read rumors about how Google will be incorporating Knox or something like it into the source code. It'll be locked down tighter than NC2 and may be the end of root and ROMs. Supposedly even the Nexus 5 guys had a hard time rooting the L developer preview.
I'll wait and see if the rumors about L are true before moving away from Android. There's no way I'd be caught dead with an iPhone and Windows phones don't appeal to me.
I'll see if I can get you some links after work.
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Adding "Knox" to the search helped a bunch. Here's a pretty good article:
http://www.cso.com.au/article/550673/google_details_knox-inspired_enterprise_managed_profiles_android_l/
It looks as if Google may still try to lock the bootloader, just not through Knox.
Thanks!
I really like how Sprint installs the vast majority of a device's bloatware after you set up the device. It means you can simply uninstall it and it's actually gone. It's not just disabled or frozen. I understand the business reasons behind bloatware and of course I'd prefer it not be there at all. That said, since it isn't going away, I wish all carriers would adopt Sprint's method rather than cluttering up the system partition with it. Thoughts?
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Agreed. I've been with them awhile now and they are really easing up on it recently.
I guess this helps them get the product out faster since they don't need to bake these programs in the ROM anymore.
The most recent update I received (I've had like 3 of them already) pushed the additional bloatware, but when I try to uninstall it, it doesn't give the option. Can't wait until we can root this thing.
UPSGuy said:
Can't wait until we can root this thing.
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We can, the T Mob version works, but I would proceed with caution afterwards since we don't have a ROM image to flash if things go south.
I've just been tweaking stuff... Until I can actually remove it and not worry.
I was able to uninstall everything except Lookout, Sprint ID, and Sprint Zone. We are talking about all the extra apps installed by Sprint. This doesn't apply to the additional Samsung apps.
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Itchiee said:
We can, the T Mob version works, but I would proceed with caution afterwards since we don't have a ROM image to flash if things go south.
I've just been tweaking stuff... Until I can actually remove it and not worry.
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How many people have successfully used the t-mob on the sprint note 4?
Me, and two others.
It does break system updates but we'll have downloadable roms soon enough.
Itchiee said:
That's the Note 3, don't use.
SM - 910p
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Yeah, realized after I posted it and edited post.
I can't uninstall or freeze Evernote either.
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Evernote is an app that Samsung preinstalls. It's highly integrated with S-Note, which is why you can't disable it. Same with Flipboard.
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Just the same as carrier branding on sprints phones... there is little to none. I like it that way. I dont go walking down the street, see someone with a huge wart of a verizon logo on the phone and say to myself, "im getting Verizon". Its rediculous that carriers have to put their big old stamp on otherwise beutiful hardware. Same goes for software. I dont see the point in 20 apps that simply take you to the carriers website. Sprint has its share of bloat but its not nearly as bad as others.
Agreed. When it comes to bloatware, AT&T is by far the worst. I owned their Galaxy S5 and there were 17 apps that were specifically installed by AT&T. They even preinstall an app called ReadyToGo which replaces the standard welcome/setup screen (when you turn the device on for the first time) with one that's got AT&T's brand all over it. That's just obscene.
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I'm shocked at the lack of "bloat" on this phone. Almost all the Sprint apps are easily uninstalled, but what gets me is the lack of Samsung apps. First time ever I don't have a Samsung folder full of their apps. I actually opened Galaxy App and installed a few just to see whats going on..........
jauger said:
I'm shocked at the lack of "bloat" on this phone. Almost all the Sprint apps are easily uninstalled, but what gets me is the lack of Samsung apps. First time ever I don't have a Samsung folder full of their apps. I actually opened Galaxy App and installed a few just to see whats going on..........
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needs MOAR bloat ........ said no one ever
fatboypup said:
needs MOAR bloat ........ said no one ever
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I read his post and I saw no way to interpret it as him advocating for more bloatware. That post was made out of happiness at how little there is.
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oldblue910 said:
I read his post and I saw no way to interpret it as him advocating for more bloatware. That post was made out of happiness at how little there is.
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i know ....... im just having some fun
fatboypup said:
i know ....... im just having some fun
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Sorry. Didn't mean to sound like a prick.
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oldblue910 said:
Sorry. Didn't mean to sound like a prick.
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ive NEVER seen a prick on XDA .........
See what I did there?! haha Cheers!:highfive:
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needs MOAR bloat ........ said no one ever
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Do I really want a S5 port on my nice new shiny Note 4?? lol
jauger said:
Do I really want a S5 port on my nice new shiny Note 4?? lol
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Sure, why not?
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Not sure if I'm going to root yet as I'm still trying to get used to this phone. So far it seems ok.
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tommason1968 said:
Not sure if I'm going to root yet as I'm still trying to get used to this phone. So far it seems ok.
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Rooting will not change the phone experience in any way... Swapping ROMs improve it though.
Welcome to the Note 4, I'm sure you'll love it!
Let us know how your experience goes.
I really love my Note 4. I am currently running Infamous ROM 2.8 and the performance is incredible. It blows the stock ROM out of the water.
Welcome to a real camera
I'm in a similar situation. Came from using a nexus 4. Not sure if I want to root or which Samsung apps people tend to turn off and which they find useful. Fun stuff though. I think I'm gonna wait for lollipop update and decide then.
keasey said:
I'm in a similar situation. Came from using a nexus 4. Not sure if I want to root or which Samsung apps people tend to turn off and which they find useful. Fun stuff though. I think I'm gonna wait for lollipop update and decide then.
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Go a week or more and then decide which apps you'd like to freeze or leave alone.
Should be enough time to get a feel for it and decide which apps you like.
I would like to know if there is any way to get the voice activation on Google now to work while S-voice is on
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Rayan said:
Rooting will not change the phone experience in any way...
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Oh, but it will.. And it does. Rooting alone allows you to do most of the things you can do on a custom ROM, but you're doing it to the stock ROM. Even without a custom recovery, you can still modify system files, freeze/uninstall system apps, run root apps, etc.
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Oh, but it will.. And it does. Rooting alone allows you to do most of the things you can do on a custom ROM, but you're doing it to the stock ROM. Even without a custom recovery, you can still modify system files, freeze/uninstall system apps, run root apps, etc.
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Oh I know that, but I meant rooting alone does not degrade the experience. As you rightfully said, the experience can be improved drastically while rooted even on stock firmware.
Cheers ?
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tommason1968 said:
I would like to know if there is any way to get the voice activation on Google now to work while S-voice is on
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Take a look around the Q&A and General sections. Most questions you have, already have been asked
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-tmobile/general/google-s-voice-t2910499
i also have an upgrade available but im not sure if i should use it on the note 4. it is tempting but in a few months the m9 will be here along with other s810 processor based devices. Plus i hear the n4s battery life isnt that great.
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i also have an upgrade available but im not sure if i should use it on the note 4. it is tempting but in a few months the m9 will be here along with other s810 processor based devices. Plus i hear the n4s battery life isnt that great.
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The battery has no problem lasting all day
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I would definitely root and flash a ROM asap. Stock rom is ok but any of the TouchWiz ROM for T Mobile will flat out just feel snappier.
Played with a n4 at bestbuy today. Lagged like hell for me. Even the samsung rep saw it. To say the least i walked away.
tommason1968 said:
Not sure if I'm going to root yet as I'm still trying to get used to this phone. So far it seems ok.
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Welcome to the majors op. You'll love it. I had an m8 before. The freedom of having an unlocked bootloader, root, and plenty custom roms got me away from HTC, as well.
No more having to s-off and the firewater exploits being closed and lack of roms.
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i also have an upgrade available but im not sure if i should use it on the note 4. it is tempting but in a few months the m9 will be here along with other s810 processor based devices. Plus i hear the n4s battery life isnt that great.
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Where did you hear that the battery life isn't good?
I typically get 2.5 days per full charge with between 4.5 and 6 hours of screen on time per charge depending on if I am reading, or doing media (games, youtube).
If anything I would wait for the Note 5, but that will be a while. I'd suggest getting the Note 4 because it's quite simply a very amazing beast of a phone and then using JUMP to upgrade in 6 months if you so desire.
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Played with a n4 at bestbuy today. Lagged like hell for me. Even the samsung rep saw it. To say the least i walked away.
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Roflmao lag ok
fix-this! said:
i also have an upgrade available but im not sure if i should use it on the note 4. it is tempting but in a few months the m9 will be here along with other s810 processor based devices. Plus i hear the n4s battery life isnt that great.
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Battery is great I got 2 days or more with 7 to 9 hours of screen time
Android_Monsters said:
Welcome to the majors op. You'll love it. I had an m8 before. The freedom of having an unlocked bootloader, root, and plenty custom roms got me away from HTC, as well.
No more having to s-off and the firewater exploits being closed and lack of roms.
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Compared to the process of rooting a htc how difficult is it to root the note 4
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It's way easier to root the note 4:
You're in in 5.
Here are the instructions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2903733
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Had to do one at my parents house.
It took me 10 minutes because I was downloading a rom, at the same time, and my parents internet sucks.
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Played with a n4 at bestbuy today. Lagged like hell for me. Even the samsung rep saw it. To say the least i walked away.
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Which Best Buy? From what I've seen at nearly all my local Best Buy they only have dummy phones and none of them carry t mobile phones
seezar said:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...hd-voice-will-work-pixel-phones-google-store/
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Good news keeps coming.
seezar said:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...hd-voice-will-work-pixel-phones-google-store/
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Very cool. Didn't know that!
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Maybe next they will even let us unlock the boot loader for the verizon model too lol
razor237 said:
Maybe next they will even let us unlock the boot loader for the verizon model too lol
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That will never happen. And firmware images from Google are not going to be signed to flash to the Verizon-locked phones. Because Verizon knows people will try and do that.
xocomaox said:
That will never happen. And firmware images from Google are not going to be signed to flash to the Verizon-locked phones. Because Verizon knows people will try and do that.
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Oh I know that just joking around lol
So basically all Verizon will do is sign the updates. They would do this in order to lock down the device.
xocomaox said:
That will never happen. And firmware images from Google are not going to be signed to flash to the Verizon-locked phones. Because Verizon knows people will try and do that.
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Does that mean I wont be able flash custom roms?
I know the answer just hate it didnt dawn on me before buying from Verizon:crying:
JasonJoel said:
Really? It doesn't on the Nexus 6P... Unless I'm mistaken...
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I bought two Nexus 6p's through Google and used both of them on Verizon. Volte worked on both! Soooo
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they gotta say something to get you into the store so they can try to upsell you their crap & services they offer while buying this phone.. it’s Verizon, can’t trust them at all till you see it happen...i remeber when the HTC Rezound was promised ICS "shortly after launch" and didn’t get it for another 9 months.
Now correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Verizon branded nexus 6 have an unlockable bootloader? And I can confirm the unlocked version of the nexus 6 having fully working volte minus video calling on Verizon
You guys are silly if you believe them. Research the last time Verizon had a Nexus.
Why in the world would Verizon want to handle updates other than to alter, add bloat and remove features they csn charge you for.
I will say. Getting a free Google VR headset with pre order is tempting
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Rippley05 said:
You guys are silly if you believe them. Research the last time Verizon had a Nexus.
Why in the world would Verizon want to handle updates other than to alter, add bloat and remove features they csn charge you for.
I will say. Getting a free Google VR headset with pre order is tempting
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You get a free vr headset if you preorder directly with Google too.
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seezar said:
You get a free vr headset if you preorder directly with Google too.
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Right, but i cant pay full price and Google won't finance anyone with credit less than Jesus
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shotguntheenforcer said:
Does that mean I wont be able flash custom roms?
I know the answer just hate it didnt dawn on me before buying from Verizon:crying:
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Yes. Unless someone cracks the bootloader. Verizon carries all the government contracts so they will never knowingly allow unlocked phones on their network. Honestly though I doubt you will find a more streamlined experience than stock Android on the Pixel. It was designed to run 7.1. I doubt any ROM will improve on it. The fact that Google is in control of the software as well means you will always be on the latest version.
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Yes. Unless someone cracks the bootloader. Verizon carries all the government contracts so they will never knowingly allow unlocked phones on their network. Honestly though I doubt you will find a more streamlined experience than stock Android on the Pixel. It was designed to run 7.1. I doubt any ROM will improve on it. The fact that Google is in control of the software as well means you will always be on the latest version.
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But Google is not in control. Just because Verizon says they'll release at same time
A. Doesn't mean they will. They've lied before
B. Doesn't mean Verizon won't strip features they think they can profit from by offering their crappy version. It's done on virtually every android phone they offer. Why else would they want to "handle" updates
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Rippley05 said:
But Google is not in control. Just because Verizon says they'll release at same time
A. Doesn't mean they will. They've lied before
B. Doesn't mean Verizon won't strip features they think they can profit from by offering their crappy version. It's done on virtually every android phone they offer. Why else would they want to "handle" updates
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Actually Google is in control. It's a first for them but it will be how apple controls their software. Read number 6 from this link
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3128785/android/google-pixel-phone-verizon.html#6
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Actually Google is in control. It's a first for them but it will be how apple controls their software. Read this article a guy took a snippet but a link is a few post above.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-xl/how-to/cancelled-preorder-heres-t3474157/post69105296
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Here is that link to the article
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-google-s-first-real-threat-to-apple-s-iphone
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Sorry wrong article. Read number 6 from this link
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3128785/android/google-pixel-phone-verizon.html#6
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Right. So I don't see anything about Verizon and not allowing carriers like Verizon to remove apps and features on their phones. They let them install bloatware Verizon apps that can be "deleted" but can they be uninstalled?
This isn't like Apple because Apple doesn't let Verizon "handle" their updates.
I bit the bullet and ordered a pixel xl, but nobody will know how Verizon will tamper with it until a new version of android releases.
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Rippley05 said:
Right. So I don't see anything about Verizon and not allowing carriers like Verizon to remove apps and features on their phones. They let them install bloatware Verizon apps that can be "deleted" but can they be uninstalled?
This isn't like Apple because Apple doesn't let Verizon "handle" their updates.
I bit the bullet and ordered a pixel xl, but nobody will know how Verizon will tamper with it until a new version of android releases.
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I linked an article and said to read #6 but you did not. So here it is on a spoon for you.
Update [10/12/16]:?*Google and Verizon seem to have reached a revised and more firmly defined position on this matter. In a new statement provided this morning, Google now says: "Google controls the distribution of all OS updates and security patches for Pixel devices. OS updates and monthly security patches will be updated on all Pixel devices (Verizon and non-Verizon versions) simultaneously."
Everything I have read has stated the the VZ apps are uninstallable.
It is more like Apple for updates in this case. Google and Verizon both said Google will be pushing the updates.
"Google and Verizon seem to have reached a revised and more firmly defined position on this matter. In a new statement provided this morning, Google now says: "Google controls the distribution of all OS updates and security patches for Pixel devices. OS updates and monthly security patches will be updated on all Pixel devices (Verizon and non-Verizon versions) simultaneously."
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Everything I have read has stated the the VZ apps are uninstallable.
It is more like Apple for updates in this case. Google and Verizon both said Google will be pushing the updates.
"Google and Verizon seem to have reached a revised and more firmly defined position on this matter. In a new statement provided this morning, Google now says: "Google controls the distribution of all OS updates and security patches for Pixel devices. OS updates and monthly security patches will be updated on all Pixel devices (Verizon and non-Verizon versions) simultaneously."
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Yeah the Nexus program was just google dabbling. They are going directly after apple with the Pixel. And hopefully other Android OEM's. Fragmentation has always been a problem and Google is finally starting to do something about it. iOS has always had the upper hand this way by controlled releases and software/hardware being designed together. That's exactly what the Pixel was made to compete with.