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AT&T 4G lies

I just read on AT&T's website that they consider 6Mb/s to be their 4G.
This means that our 4G devices will never be any faster than the iPhone 4 which supports up to 7.2Mb/s.
When I bought my Atrix I was under the assumption that they would eventually make use of the HSPA+ that the phone supports.
If the iPhone 4 is a 3G device then so is the Atrix.
Dear AT&T,
Thanks for lying and using trickery to attract customers. You suck.
PS hurry up and at least enable HSUPA
For all those that don't know, when they enable HSUPA this will not speed up our download connection speed, only the upload. So don't expect much.
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Link to where they say its 6? I thought it was 14 or so. Forgive me if I don't believe its only 6
Nvm. Just read it. Normal 3G is 7.2. Not HSPA+. HSPA+ has a maximum of 14mbps. 3g is 7.2
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I was on the phone with AT&T Business today about other issues, and asked about the "4G".
The rep seemed very well informed, told me no towers in my area have dates assigned to them for upgrade to 4G yet, and that I still have some which are not even 3G capable. She also told me they are trying to get their "4G" to everyone by the end of the year, and the download speed is 20mbps. This was a lengthy conversation, much more involved than this short description, but it was very interesting to talk to a rep who actually new technical stuff.

Also read somewhere that enabling HSUPA will decrease latency which will also increase download speed. Not sure about that, though.
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PixoNova said:
Also read somewhere that enabling HSUPA will decrease latency which will also increase download speed. Not sure about that, though.
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i read that also but cant put on finger on where it was

brian2220 said:
i read that also but cant put on finger on where it was
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSUPA
We'll get category 6 HSUPA. even says HSUPA will decrease latency. Which means we'll be seeing i4 or even higher speeds.
OP. Overreact much? Especially over misinformation.
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http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-...locale=&_dyncharset=UTF-8&solutionId=KB115947
This says in the 'Just how fast is AT&T 4G' faq "AT&T is seeing network speeds up to approximately 6Mbps"
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What the network is capable of delivering and the maximum speed the device supports are two different things. Both the Inspire and the Atrix have radios that can pull up to 14.4 Mbps if the network is able to provide it.

plvaulter06 said:
http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-...locale=&_dyncharset=UTF-8&solutionId=KB115947
This says in the 'Just how fast is AT&T 4G' faq "AT&T is seeing network speeds up to approximately 6Mbps"
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THe key word in that statement is "approximately" 6mpbs, it is just marketing. You will barely ever see the full speeds of "4g" due to the physics of networks.

plvaulter06 said:
This means that our 4G devices will never be any faster than the iPhone 4 which supports up to 7.2Mb/s.
Ha! Iphone 4? The 3gs is capable of 7.2. So all we got was a 3g phone with dual core that is locked down by att and moto. If I could pull 6 mbs on a regular I would be really happy with that. I avg about 700 kbps.
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like sifon said... and i wouldn't even exactly call it a "marketing" term. It's just going the logical route. They say approximately 6Mbps.... because if they say something like "You will expect to see 10Mbps".... then imagine how many calls they're going to get from people complaining cause they're ONLY getting 6Mbps. And i don't even see why people are complaining about THAT! 6Mbps? on a PHONE?!? Just a few years ago, 5Mbps was the fastest broadband internet connection via cable in my area. 6Mbps is probably still faster than a lot of broadband connections here in the US (except for that one city that's going to be getting Google's gigabit fiber optic internet connection.... lucky f*ckers).
And yes... when they enable HSUPA, we will probably (see? if i said "will" here, me and anyone quoting me would probably get flamed like crazy if it didn't come to pass) see a lot lower latencies and higher download speeds than we currently are. As we all know, internet connections are a two way thing. If you can't get information TO the servers, you won't get it FROM them either.

I have 4g download speed in my neighborhood. (luck me! ) I pull 4 on average, and 5 rarely. 6 is a marketing speed. You will never see 6.

what are your upload speeds?

elementaldragon said:
what are your upload speeds?
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They're obviously .33 still. HSUPA isn't enabled on our phones yet. Not until we get that HSUPA update.
Also, can anyone confirm whether it's 14 Mbps, or 20/22? I keep seeing different numbers tossed around, and I can't be sure anymore.

my phone says H+ on it and 5 bars yet download speed says 500-600 kbps and upload is right around 100. on my wifi at home i have clearwire and i get 3 megs down 1 meg up and my phone says it gets the same 3md/1mu when its hooked up to wifi. do i neeg to go get a different sim card for my atrix? ATT told me i dont need one because the 4G network wont be out for another 6 months to a year (which is misinformation, we have it in seattle AFAIK). but even w/ 3G i should be pulling A LOT faster than that right?

i can pull 5.5 with a captivate

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i can pull 5.5 with a captivate
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i can pull that down and more with my atrix whats ur point ?

Think the point is that with a 4G phone, if you're in a 4G area, you WOULD be pulling a lot more.... but due to not having fast uploads, download speeds are crippled.

the problem here is that with AT&T's 'enhanced back-haul program' they are only planning on buying some additional bandwidth and speed (raising it to 6Mbps) for each tower's individual internet connection. So even if the tower is using HSPA+ to transmit data to our phones, it is only going to be as fast as the internet connection that the tower has.
Its like using a really nice Wireless router, and wireless card. While it is nice, it doesn't make your connection speed any faster than an older model of router and card that could already handle your internet connection.
I really hope I'm wrong, but anyone who tells you that your Atrix is going to have a 20Mbps mobile data connection from AT&T is just blowing smoke up your @$$.

Interesting facts:
128 HSPA+ network in 65 countries including:
95 HSPA+ networks offering peak rates of 21 Mbps
11 HSPA+ networks offering peak rates of 28 Mbps
22 HSPA+ networks offering peak rates of 42 Mbps
Here is something very interesting for the future:
Radio over Fiber (RoF) Communication System - supposedly has d/l rate of 20Gb/s and is equal to the speed of optic fiber. Could be available in 10 years to the public.

What do you prefer and why 4G Late or 42+hspa

Which service is best...
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It probably depends on the area. DC-HSPA on T-Mobile actually runs faster than Verizon LTE in some areas just because Verizon doesn't open it up enough or have enough capacity or something. The nice part is that DC-HSPA is really just a fast 3G, so even if your phone only hits 14.4 HSPA, it still goes pretty fast. T-Mobile will deploy LTE next year and if that has problems it will have DC-HSPA as a fallback.

I have T-mobile and I easily get 22mbps down, 2mbps up. My husband has Verizon and he gets 23mbps down, 7mbps up. The downlink speeds are comparable. The only difference is in the uplink speeds. Verizon has the edge here. However, I have used both phones side by side and for most tasks, there isn't a huge difference.
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4G Late?
4G LTE
-Destroys Battery life
-Sales Gimmick
4G HSPA+
-Fast enough
-Better battery life

Can anybody really distinguish, with the naked eye, which is faster? Whose testing website is really accurate? Besides bragging rights and marketing fanfare, does it make any difference?

Hi guys,
I do not need LTE due to those facts:
1) HSDPA is fast enough.
2) in common cell phone contracts over here in Germany your speed is reduced to 64kbit after you used up 300mb per month. If I had more than that we could talk about LTE.
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Looneytoon98 said:
Can anybody really distinguish, with the naked eye, which is faster? Whose testing website is really accurate? Besides bragging rights and marketing fanfare, does it make any difference?
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Nope.
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LTE plans here are more expensive. That's a good reason.
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LTE not Late
Mesaman2012 said:
Which service is best...
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FYI there is no "Late 4G", it is called "LTE". Actually there are two types of 4G; LTE and WiMax.
LTE was first used by Verizon, but is now also used by ATT. Due to marketing "schemes" some believe the Apple iPhone 5 has 4g. False! it has HSPA+, not 4G/ Sure, HSPA+ is a ton faster than 3g, but it is still not 4G.
Sprint, and T-Mobile are now also starting to use LTE. Unfortunately I don't believe LTE is standard worldwide, meaning they use different frequency bands. Similar to how a GSM american phone, may or may not work in Europe

I'm sorry that I ever put up such a topic would you ladies and gentlemen please not respond to this stupid topic.I would like to apologize for spamming the thread with this ignorant topic. Takecare
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Either way, we won't be hitting 4G for another 5/10 years. Although, I can't imagine why the hell a phone needs 1Gbps down and 100Mbps up. Maybe 30 years from now those speeds will be standard.

LTE and WiMax are still 3G. They're marketed as 4G (read: FauxG). They're really 3.9G.
Only LTE-Advanced is a certified 4G tech. All the others are still 3G
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times_infinity said:
LTE and WiMax are still 3G. They're marketed as 4G (read: FauxG). They're really 3.9G.
Only LTE-Advanced is a certified 4G tech. All the others are still 3G
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I know that was the case originally, but it's my understanding that the group behind the 4G standards was pushed enough to bend what it qualifies as 4G. Originally 4G was when you had a minimum of 100Mbps download, but now HSPA+, WiMax, and LTE are all considered 4G technologies.

geoff5093 said:
I know that was the case originally, but it's my understanding that the group behind the 4G standards was pushed enough to bend what it qualifies as 4G. Originally 4G was when you had a minimum of 100Mbps download, but now HSPA+, WiMax, and LTE are all considered 4G technologies.
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By name only. The carriers cried and whined for it, so the ITU caved. It's STILL "faux G" as far as many people are concerned.
Call it whatever you want. It doesn't change the fact that it's still technically based on an older technology.
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Would prefer HSPA than 4G. On 4G, it's really a battery eater. However, the highest HSPA speed I've gotten was around 3mbps and around 1-2mbps upload compared to 30-45mbps download and ~20-30mbps upload.
Normally the HSPA speeds is almost the same as running on GPRS during peak hours until the three local telco was fined for providing below standard data speeds/coverage then it managed to peak around 4-5.

Clubbysupercharged said:
Would prefer HSPA than 4G. On 4G, it's really a battery eater. However, the highest HSPA speed I've gotten was around 3mbps and around 1-2mbps upload compared to 30-45mbps download and ~20-30mbps upload.
Normally the HSPA speeds is almost the same as running on GPRS during peak hours until the three local telco was fined for providing below standard data speeds/coverage then it managed to peak around 4-5.
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That's your carrier. I've seen HSPA speeds hit 20Mb down and LTE speeds hit 60Mb down almost from seeing other speedtests.

MrObvious said:
That's your carrier. I've seen HSPA speeds hit 20Mb down and LTE speeds hit 60Mb down almost from seeing other speedtests.
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Or his location (or the hardware limitation of the handset)
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That's your carrier. I've seen HSPA speeds hit 20Mb down and LTE speeds hit 60Mb down almost from seeing other speedtests.
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I know, that's my carrier problem. Their HSPA speeds is really pathetic.

Thanks for sharing

LTE>HSPA+
My best friend bought the black Iphone five (64 gig) when he came down to Jax, and in town, we compared our speed test results.
Iphone five (lte on at&t) first test- 68 mbps down/16 mbps up
Htc Amaze (faux g) best result that day-23mbps down/3 mbps up
So, strictly speed wise, he consistently was able to pull high 60's down, while my phone that theoretically can hit 42 mbps, never reached 30's. So it seems that location is an important factor, but none the less, I cant kid myself, I rooted my phone and changed the values in the build.prop file to command the phone to max out the radio, while his was straight out of the box. Imagine if he were to jailbreak that monster, its capable of 80 mbps down. The only problem is that his screen is smaller than mine, and he has some crappy plan that wont let him tether, as oposed to us, we can hack out phones to utilize our signal on something easier on the eyes.
Now bear in mind, I am just commenting on data speed, and he is back in Greensboro, North Carolina, and he only gets 20mbps down at best. Then again, 20 mbps down would be my phone on a good day in the middle of the night.

Slow hspa speeds on T-Mobile?

I got around 12 Mbps with my old s3 at work and I did a speed test with my n4 same spot and can only get maybe 6 Mbps what gives I thought this phone had the 42 Mbps radio??
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Same here, my internet doesn't seem to be working like before. Sometimes it will work other times it won't.
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Exactly.
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it can be many different factors:
- location
- case/grip
- kernel
- baseband

thought i was the only one

horr1blek1tten said:
I got around 12 Mbps with my old s3 at work and I did a speed test with my n4 same spot and can only get maybe 6 Mbps what gives I thought this phone had the 42 Mbps radio??
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Check about phone > status and make sure you are getting an hspa+ connection. Check it when the mobile network is active and data is transmitting because it will drop down to regular hspa while idle. Also, in order to get DC-HSPA (which is required for 42mbps) it has to be available in your area. Not a lot of markets have it yet.

I get anywhere from 15-22 Mbps here in NY and that's with the $30 plan.
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24mbps in seattle area

This might not seem like much to you guys but I live in a rural area with no 4g and on my HTC sensation I got about 1mps
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I'm getting between 5Mbps to 10Mbps speeds with my Nexus 4 in Phoenix AZ.
Which is an improvement from my Galaxy Nexus that got 1Mbps to 3Mbps (yeah, that was HSPA+).

I'm on T-Mobile here in NYC and just received 19.5mb down and 1.6mb up.

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Check about phone > status and make sure you are getting an hspa+ connection. Check it when the mobile network is active and data is transmitting because it will drop down to regular hspa while idle. Also, in order to get DC-HSPA (which is required for 42mbps) it has to be available in your area. Not a lot of markets have it yet.
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I am getting hspa+:15 in the settings with speed test running in the background. What does that mean? 42mbps? Speed tests 6-7mbps at best with 1sec latency! Latency is worse than what I had on hspa 14 on the Samsung exhibit ii.
I am in Philadelphia. I thought we got hspa+ 42 a long while ago here. Although the network seems to always be congested here, often coming to a complete halt, forcing me to go to edge to send and receive emails.
[EDIT]: I think I was wrong on HSPA+ 42 being available in Philadelphia. We're still on 21. According to an article on android central we will get HSPA+ 42 on the 1900Mhz band here instead of 1700Mhz AWS. HSPA+ category 15, which is what the reading in the settings are showing, refers to HSPA+ 21 ... so no DC-HSPA here ... I hope the upgrades come soon, and take care of the congestion issues around the busy parts of the city during the day. It's stupid to have a smart phone that cannot even send an receive emails !

Here in Charlottesville, VA (where HSPA+ 42 is supposedly available), I am getting less than 512 kbps down with over 1000 ms ping. This was in an area that indicated HSPA+:15.
Did I get a phone with a bad radio? Or just a location thing?

This is consectutive tests on different servers further and further away (started with closest last is in south Dakota - pings suck but speeds are great)

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This is consectutive tests on different servers further and further away (started with closest last is in south Dakota - pings suck but speeds are great)
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You have a 3G icon... my Nexus 4 only shows H for HSPA. Are you on a custom ROM?

nope stock it switches back and fourth from 3 to H when I am not using the internet it is 3 I do something internet and H pops up.

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nope stock it switches back and fourth from 3 to H when I am not using the internet it is 3 I do something internet and H pops up.
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I've never seen 3G pop up on my Nexus 4. Strange. Either way, I guess my terribly slow speeds are a result of being in Central VA.

it is to save battery life it sits on idle afaik on 3g until you call up 4g - there is a post on it on the qa forums.

nexus 4 data speeds

i flashed the .33 radio and so currently i have 4G on my nexus 4 on Fido network. Download speeds are 10mb.. Is that normal? Is it really LTE?

jjs0891 said:
i flashed the .33 radio and so currently i have 4G on my nexus 4 on Fido network. Download speeds are 10mb.. Is that normal? Is it really LTE?
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it depends.. depends where the tower is in relation to you, how busy the network is, and what kinds of speeds your provider gives. does it say 4G in the notification/status bar?

jjs0891 said:
i flashed the .33 radio and so currently i have 4G on my nexus 4 on Fido network. Download speeds are 10mb.. Is that normal? Is it really LTE?
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I think its not LTE cause normal or low speed is 15 Mbs some get even 35 Mbs so i think you have some problems i get 12-13 Mbs on HSPA+
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NexusMobileGamer said:
I think its not LTE cause normal or low speed is 15 Mbs some get even 35 Mbs so i think you have some problems i get 12-13 Mbs on HSPA+
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does it say h or 4G? and just because its lte, it doesnt mean you will get 30mbps all the time. you can be on the edge of lte coverage and barely get 5mbps, but its still lte. how your upload speed?

simms22 said:
does it say h or 4G? and just because its lte, it doesnt mean you will get 30mbps all the time. you can be on the edge of lte coverage and barely get 5mbps, but its still lte. how your upload speed?
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5 or 6 MBs sometimes lower and sometimes higher like 8 Mbs

it says 4G on the notification bar...

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it says 4G on the notification bar...
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then you are connected to lte. maybe your area is either very congested, or on an edge of the towers coverage.

I think the major benefit of lte is it's superior building penetration and more consistent signal.
It's all relative on coverage but yes, your speeds are prob lte. I go from 35 to 5mbps depending on location. I had same thing with Verizon lte.
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honestly i don't really mind because i only use it for web browsing as i have limited data. I just want higher speeds for bragging purposes. But the slow speed could be because of my cell signal. I always get 2 bars. I don't think i've ever seen my phone at full bars. Do ROMS/kernels affect this?
i remember seeing my phone at 4 bars before. After installing cm/francokernel/flashing .33 radio/changing apn, i think all this might've affected my signal somehow.

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honestly i don't really mind because i only use it for web browsing as i have limited data. I just want higher speeds for bragging purposes. But the slow speed could be because of my cell signal. I always get 2 bars. I don't think i've ever seen my phone at full bars. Do ROMS/kernels affect this?
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I haven't noticed roms or kernel affecting signal. I think the bars are mostly for voice and text service, not data, but is a rough indicator I guess
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4G LTE in the US on AT&T

Is anyone else finally getting LTE in the states? I'm using Straighttalk, on AT&T's towers, and am finally getting LTE
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Any special setting? On AT&T and in an lte area, but only getting 4G
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The only setting pertaining to it is Settings->More->Mobile Networks->Preferred Network Mode then I have <LTE/WCDMA/GSM auto> selected
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people211 said:
Any special setting? On AT&T and in an lte area, but only getting 4G
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4G = LTE

No problem with LTE on t-mobile in the US

If you have the TL09 version, you should receive LTE already. I'm currently using the TL10 and only receive HSPA+. Not complaining really, as AT&T's HSPA+ speeds are very respectable.

4G Does not = LTE
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LTE is just that LTE Which means Long Term Evolution. 4G is not even 4G it is an upgraded version of 3G. 4G offers HSPA/+ for data up to 42m in markets that support it. LTE is a joke as no us market even offers the speeds LTE can do. Most speed tests while running on LTE max out around 15 to 24m same for HSPA/+ and when you hit your bandwidth limit your speeds are reduced to that of a dialup modem. I laugh so hard when I hear people wanting a phone and complain it has no LTE.

I suggest you read the Wikipedia entries on 4G and LTE.

I do get LTE on AT&T network however the ascend mate 2 had better signal adherence and would get LTE in more places than the mate 7. I wonder if lollipop will help, this device it's also poorer in battery performance
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LTE is just that LTE Which means Long Term Evolution. 4G is not even 4G it is an upgraded version of 3G. 4G offers HSPA/+ for data up to 42m in markets that support it. LTE is a joke as no us market even offers the speeds LTE can do. Most speed tests while running on LTE max out around 15 to 24m same for HSPA/+ and when you hit your bandwidth limit your speeds are reduced to that of a dialup modem. I laugh so hard when I hear people wanting a phone and complain it has no LTE.
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Maybe it's different in smaller markets, but I get 50mps down regularly with AT&T here in L.A.

PoopDonkey said:
LTE is just that LTE Which means Long Term Evolution. 4G is not even 4G it is an upgraded version of 3G. 4G offers HSPA/+ for data up to 42m in markets that support it. LTE is a joke as no us market even offers the speeds LTE can do. Most speed tests while running on LTE max out around 15 to 24m same for HSPA/+ and when you hit your bandwidth limit your speeds are reduced to that of a dialup modem. I laugh so hard when I hear people wanting a phone and complain it has no LTE.
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You forget one important factor, response time and latency is greatly improved on 4G this is very noticeable, this is more important then the increased bandwidth. I am stuck with a old mobile subscription with 3.75 HDSP+, the reason I have not upgraded it earlier is that my old mobile subscription offer me no data limit, I got a letter last month from my telecom company they say they will now updrade my old mobile subscription to 4G and I will still have no data limit.
Looking forward to see what speed I will get with 4G! Currently I get about 22 mbit with 3.75G HDSP+. Bandwidth is enough but responsetimes will bet a lot better with 4G which will make it faster to connect to new connections when using internet.. The bootleneck will probably now be the CPU/GPU of the M7.

Does this phone supports T-Mobile LTE or just the Att ?
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It's fine on T-mobile LTE (I have the single sim MT-L09 version) . Best speed I've seen in downtown Tampa has been something like 45m down.