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As we've stated many times before - it's planned. Just hasn't been high priority since it's easy enough to flash SuperSU in recovery.
Didn't knew that. Thanks
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I feel like one of these threads pop up every two days. It's in all the SuperSU question threads.
tried flashing SP and it doesnt work
Entropy512 said:
As we've stated many times before - it's planned. Just hasn't been high priority since it's easy enough to flash SuperSU in recovery.
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Hey guys i have an i9300 intl s3 and i am using the OmniROM Nightly build updates...
one bug to report if you will, i cant root the rom, i have tried Odin and Kingo but to no avail.
this means i cant get SU privileges and most of all, i cant auto update to the latest nightly and have to manually keep upgrading daily to the latest build, regardless to say, this means reloading all my stuff again, everyday.
Could you help a fellow out and try check on why we cant root the OmniROM 4.4 yet?
I have flashed SuperSU to my phone and its still not rooted.
Perhaps a link with how to force SU privileges if you have any?
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Hey guys i have an i9300 intl s3 and i am using the OmniROM Nightly build updates...
one bug to report if you will, i cant root the rom, i have tried Odin and Kingo but to no avail.
this means i cant get SU privileges and most of all, i cant auto update to the latest nightly and have to manually keep upgrading daily to the latest build, regardless to say, this means reloading all my stuff again, everyday.
Could you help a fellow out and try check on why we cant root the OmniROM 4.4 yet?
I have flashed SuperSU to my phone and its still not rooted.
Perhaps a link with how to force SU privileges if you have any?
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See the response in the thread you created.
I know that Chainfire helped build the OpenDelta system so it's highly likely that the 'SuperSU' app will be integrated for Superuser management. But when I flash Omni I want the complete opensource flavor. That's simply the way it should be. Right now Kousk's Superuser seems like the only viable option for now.
We need to talk about this because I am using Omni with no proprietary software. Support FOSS (Free and open software)!
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I know that Chainfire helped build the OpenDelta system so it's highly likely that the 'SuperSU' app will be integrated for Superuser management. But when I flash Omni I want the complete opensource flavor. That's simply the way it should be. Right now Kousk's Superuser seems like the only viable option for now.
We need to talk about this because I am using Omni with no proprietary software. Support FOSS (Free and open software)!
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Opensource SuperSU has been planned... we're just waaaay too busy with higher-priority items.
Entropy512 said:
Opensource SuperSU has been planned... we're just waaaay too busy with higher-priority items.
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I noticed that DuperSU made its way into the Settings app... Love it.
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dibblebill said:
I noticed that DuperSU made its way into the Settings app... Love it.
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It's just a hook using intents - you see it if you have SuperSU installed but it's not integrated beyond just a link for now.
Yeah, I figured as much, but it looks nice nonetheless. In my opinion
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Hi there, I'm no new to development, but haven't played with a phone in a while.
Can someone please tell me what the disadvantages of rooting the Nexus 6p are?
My plan is to get root access only to use specific apps (eg greenify) but not to install a new ROM, i.e. I'll stay with stock.
Does this affect:
-Applicability of OTA updates from Google
-ability to use the fingerprint reader
-warranty claims
-speed/stability of the device?
Thanks in advance!
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Hi there, I'm no new to development, but haven't played with a phone in a while.
Can someone please tell me what the disadvantages of rooting the Nexus 6p are?
My plan is to get root access only to use specific apps (eg greenify) but not to install a new ROM, i.e. I'll stay with stock.
Does this affect:
-Applicability of OTA updates from Google
-ability to use the fingerprint reader
-warranty claims
-speed/stability of the device?
Thanks in advance!
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-OTA are not possible when rooted. You have to flash back stock boot.img and recovery.img to accept an OTA.
-It does not interfere with Nexus Imprint (Fingerprint reader.)
-Does not affect speed or stability
-Warranty is not affected because you can flash stock imgs and relock bootloader.
You can take OTA's if you do the systemless-root. I believe you would have to flash the recovery back to stock, though.
I think you have to flash boot as well since it's modified.
the biggest disadvantage is your device become instantly awesome, so if you are used to being annoyed about the stock OS missing features this is hard to deal with
But honestly the best thing about owning a nexus is you can root and easily go back to stock if you change your mind. The flash images are also easily available for updates (even before the OTA is out). So play with it, and worst case you can always restore back to stock.
currently my only disadvantage to me is loosing android pay...
yea i know i can make it work if i delete /su/xbin... but i feel like its there for a reason and i shouldnt be deleting it.
chaco81 said:
currently my only disadvantage to me is loosing android pay...
yea i know i can make it work if i delete /su/xbin... but i feel like its there for a reason and i shouldnt be deleting it.
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Supersu 2.61 does systemless root ootb. No need to delete anything. Systemless root will just work and Android Pay will just work.
83097markcynt said:
Supersu 2.61 does systemless root ootb. No need to delete anything. Systemless root will just work and Android Pay will just work.
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i have been using systemless root since v 2.61... im using 2.66 now
and android pay didnt work, and even wont pass safetynet test
delete the /su/xbin folder and it passes safetynet and android pay works...
so yes, for me it sucks that i have delete that to make AP to work... which is why for now i am giving up AP since i dont feel comfortable deleting xbin and breaking stuff
Mine passes safetynet test and is just systemless with nothing deleted. No Android Pay in the UK to test it with though.
Not being awesome.
Not living in the exciting XDA fast lane!
Can I use Xposed with systemless root?
Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!
dimiboy said:
Can I use Xposed with systemless root?
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Yes mate you can works perfectly well
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Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!
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lol this seems to happen when you root and install Xposed or pretty much modify anything. Usually I see a decrease in stability and battery life but an increase in performance, and you get to play with new features early.
I'm contemplating rooting just to use the new launcher.
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Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!
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You have a couple of things going on.
First root IS as safe as you let it be. If you haven't installed any root applications it should not be any more buggy than stock.
You have installed Xposed. You have not mentioned what modules you have.
I don't have any issues you describe but I don't have a lot of modules installed.
I am stock with Xposed and root.
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The ENG kernel used for root is great in a sense that it has aided in giving us root access, but it is nowhere near as refined as the factory kernel. @psouza4 has done a TON to make this kernel awesome, but there are a lot of people who have reverted back to stock because of the limitations.
I'm considering making an insanely debloated ROM that will hopefully run on the factory PE1 kernel. Root access would be needed to do the initial install with FlashFire, but afterwards there would be no root access. This might be what a few of you guys are looking for, a blazing fast ROM that runs forever on a charge, without getting hot. Once the ROM is flashed, there will be NO ability to modify unless the ENG kernel is flashed and rooted again. This ROM would NOT be for anyone interested in running Xposed framework in anyway.
If there is enough interest, I'll start working on something FAST!
Definitely interested in this
Extremely interested.
Could you throw in a modified hosts file for ad blocking? Or, should I mod it first then unroot? Also, would bypassing the checks for tethering be an option before going back to original kernel?
Illogi.xbone said:
Could you throw in a modified hosts file for ad blocking? Or, should I mod it first then unroot? Also, would bypassing the checks for tethering be an option before going back to original kernel?
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I'm hoping to include some mods like this. I believe I'll be able to modify the host file, but you would not be able to update the hosts once the ROM is installed.
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I'm hoping to include some mods like this. I believe I'll be able to modify the host file, but you would not be able to update the hosts once the ROM is installed.
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Great! I was thinking of trying something along this route. I will make a flashfire backup of internal first then could give it a go.
I'll keep you posted when I have something worthy of flashing.
Wont future updates just re-bloat the rom?
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I'll keep you posted when I have something worthy of flashing.
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Thank you! Mostly root for adaway anyways lol
freak69ize said:
Wont future updates just re-bloat the rom?
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The ROM would prevent future updates, so all updates would be done via re-root and flash.
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The ROM would prevent future updates, so all updates would be done via re-root and flash.
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Yeah.. very interested then... as long as you keep theme store in it
Awesome
This is exactly what I was looking for! I'd be eternally grateful if you did it.
I would love to see something like this!
My question is, since I can always at least disable bloat, can I make some changes (provisioning for tethering, modified hosts file) then unroot and reflash stock kernel?
The only reason I wanted root is for viper4android/audio mods. Would an unrooted rom be able to include that?
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The only reason I wanted root is for viper4android/audio mods. Would an unrooted rom be able to include that?
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That's an interesting question. Some optimizations like that could be added. But that app wouldn't work since it requires root privileges.
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This will be great. An insanely debloated stock VZR 935U ROM with non-provisioned tethering, HD calling, and VVM is all that that's needed to make this the ultimate phone. Everything else that's need for full VZW functionality can be installed from the Play Store.
However, how would you go back to the stock kernel after installing this ROM? Just by flashing the stock AP in Odin?
I'd be stoked if this phone had stock mm status bar icons that's the only thing I've honestly really used root for and it still doesn't say LTE but instead the ugly 4G icon.. I'd even be alright with Verizons icon if it wasn't persistent on WiFi but then they're still ics looking signal bars. My s7 runs rather warm and battery drain rather sucks with the eng. Kernel starting to think it's not quite worth being able to themeish my status bar. I'd be interested in a debloated stock rom with HD calling if you can throw in the status bar that's icing on the cake.
Sorry for not checking the thread lately. I'm still trying to figure out how to make this work. I have some ideas, but nothing concrete yet.
This isn't going to work. DM-Verity checks will cause the phone not to boot once the original kernel is flashed back. If there is even a byte changed in the system partition it will make the hash invalid and cause the DM-Verity check to fail. The only debloating you can possibly do is simply disabling packages. (In the event of not wanting the Engineering kernel/root.)
I'm rooted with Xposed installed on my Pure running stock 6.0 and was wondering if I'd lose root or Xposed once the official Nougat update rolls out for us? Will I have any trouble installing it since I'm rooted?
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I'm rooted with Xposed installed on my Pure running stock 6.0 and was wondering if I'd lose root or Xposed once the official Nougat update rolls out for us? Will I have any trouble installing it since I'm rooted?
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Have u done a systemless root ? If yes, u'll get an OTA update, whenever its released. You'll be able to update securely.
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Have u done a systemless root ? If yes, u'll get an OTA update, whenever its released. You'll be able to update securely.
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Good to know, thanks!
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Good to know, thanks!
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you can not just update OTA when you are rooted. im sure you are running TWRP and you have an modified partition.
OTA wont install cause it needs stock recovery. There are options to use OTA with Flash Fire.
Look for threads om Chain Fires Flash fire and read it carefully.
Cheers.
The fact is we don't know how root will work on Nougat, or Xposed... It took Xposed a while to get support for Marshmallow when it released (a few months if I recall correctly, they almost said f*ck it and gave up on Xposed completely), could be the same thing with Nougat.
Chainfire will probably have (or has) get root working on Nougat (I really haven't investigated this)... Google has stated that the system is more secure, which they did with Lollipop and Marshmallow, and even then Chainfire stated that Google could, potentially, shut down the ability to root completely by known means quite easily.
You cannot update/upgrade with TWRP installed or when rooted... You must be stock for it to work.
While I do believe Google could shut down root capability, I don't think they will at this time. At least not on the Nexus phones. And I feel that with companies like Motorola giving the ability to unlock bootloader, I doubt it more.
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While I do believe Google could shut down root capability, I don't think they will at this time. At least not on the Nexus phones. And I feel that with companies like Motorola giving the ability to unlock bootloader, I doubt it more.
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Unlocking the bootloader to allow 3rd party recovery and roms could still be allowed if rooting stock is impossible, but I agree with your assessment... Xposed on the other hand, is just evil, wouldn't bother me one bit if it disappeared.
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After firing up my old build environment I thought I would get cracking and start my own builds again so here we go.
Here are my unofficial builds which are completely stock with root disabled by default so android pay works out of the box. I have not modified anything aside from making it a user/release build rather than a userdebug build so any bugs in the nightlies will be in my builds as well.
** I am not responsible if your phone blows up or causes your mum to sneeze loudly in front of a cat **
** If you want root you will need to flash supersu or phh root in TWRP. **
Installation Perquisites
Unlocked bootloader
TWRP Recovery
I recommend using OpenGapps from http://opengapps.org/.
Notes
I have tested this build with the camera mod by @siankatabg and it no longer works however if it does start to work again down the line I will update this post.
Changelog
https://www.cmxlog.com/13/oneplus3/
Source
https://github.com/CyanogenMod
Kernel Source
https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_kernel_oneplus_msm8996
Last build (26/09)
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=457095661767098905
Moved to CM14 now.
Once CM14 is live I will be moving my build environment over to CM14 so nightlies may continue but at a much lesser pace.
Please DO NOT ask for when CM14 builds will start.
Handy Hints.
If you want to get battery stats with better battery stats from XDA without root then enable ADB and run this command.
adb -d shell pm grant com.asksven.betterbatterystats_xdaedition android.permission.BATTERY_STATS
First build is up.
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Handy Hints.
If you want to get battery stats with better battery stats from XDA without run then enable ADB and run this command.
adb -d shell pm grant com.asksven.betterbatterystats_xdaedition android.permission.BATTERY_STATS
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Thanks for this tip, trying to do without Root (sick of always trying to find workaround to get specific apps to work) and get by with just custom rom and kernel.
Much appreciated.
Is that AndroidPay will stop working even on stock OOS as soon it has been rooted?
Also, is the camera still worse than on stock?
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Is that AndroidPay will stop working even on stock OOS as soon it has been rooted?
Also, is the camera still worse than on stock?
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Yes
And
Yes
15 CM13 rom here
Regards,
Taker
hotcell said:
Is that AndroidPay will stop working even on stock OOS as soon it has been rooted?
Also, is the camera still worse than on stock?
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Flash the OOS camera port and enjoy
daleski75 said:
Flash the OOS camera port and enjoy
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I think no 100% quality port exist yet?
@daleski75 good to see you here mate, loved your PA builds for N6
You just going with CM this time?
hotcell said:
I think no 100% quality port exist yet?
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Not yet but it's getting closer with each release
eng.stk said:
@daleski75 good to see you here mate, loved your PA builds for N6
You just going with CM this time?
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I will do PA builds mate when they go to N don't seem much point in doing M builds for both PA and CM right now
Excuse my ignorance, but besides Android Pay, what's the point of having no root custom rom, as many apps need root rights. Take even Titanium Backup...
What are the core advantage of Paranoid compared to other ROMs out there?
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Excuse my ignorance, but besides Android Pay, what's the point of having no root custom rom, as many apps need root rights. Take even Titanium Backup...
What are the core advantage of Paranoid compared to other ROMs out there?
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While I agree the custom ROM scene doesn't have much of a place for non rooted ROMs. (Titanium backup is the best example out of them all), it is a matter of choice at the end of the day. A persons wife for just one example might like all the cool extra options and themes that CM gives but what's Android Pay and has no purpose for root. (It's not a secure thing for those to have that aren't totally savvy) so why not use something like this? All about choice.
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hotcell said:
Excuse my ignorance, but besides Android Pay, what's the point of having no root custom rom, as many apps need root rights. Take even Titanium Backup...
What are the core advantage of Paranoid compared to other ROMs out there?
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Some people may want the extra customisation of a custom rom but want to use their banking,android pay apps which do not work with root.
And it's a lot easier to flash root than trying to remove it from CM13 nightlies where it's in by default.
And like kickassdave said It's all about choice at the end of the day.
Uploading 03/09
New build is up
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...android pay apps which do not work with root.
And it's a lot easier to flash root than trying to remove it...
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When systemless supersu is installed, it has the switch to temporarily un-root. Would that be a lot easier option than flash root witch has no uninstaller option? Will AndroidPay work when temp uprooted?
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When systemless supersu is installed, it has the switch to temporarily un-root. Would that be a lot easier option than flash root witch has no uninstaller option? Will AndroidPay work when temp uprooted?
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Android Pay detects systemless root the only guaranteed way to keep it working is never to root unfortunately.
Some have got it working using magisk and phh root.