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new Samsung battery crashes phone!

At CES 2011 Samsung was giving away spare batteries to Samsung owners. (Thanks Samsung!)
The battery charged fine with my 3rd party wall charger (obtained with 2 spare no-name batteries via ebay), but when the new Samsung battery is in the phone and I connect my wall charger, the phone dies until the cable is removed.
Obviously, voltage is dropping below what the phone can handle while the new battery is installed and the charger is connected.
The original battery is a EB575152VA and has a black label.
The new battery is a EB575152YZ and has a blue label.
Anyone else have the same problem?
Robert

Grrr! They we're?! I wish I would've known.
Are you positive it's not your charger?

damn damn damn!! i want a spare too!

They're prolly trying to blow up your vibrant to force you to get a Nexus S
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Your 3rd party wall charger may have fubared the battery. Just an idea. Alot of 3rd party wall chargers are set to behave/charge a specific way, which can nuke newer specialized batteries if they behave different than the ones released when the aftermarket charger was (even if the new battery is for the same device). The panasonic toughbook batteries are prime examples.

A few months ago I purchased a battery charging stand and additonal battery from Verizon (I own the Vibrant). This battery has the same blue label. It functions fine in the phone but if I connect to charge, it powers off. Additionally, when I put my Vibrant battery into the Verizon charging stand, it will not charge that battery. I have searched many forums and have not found a reasonable explanation or solution. How much different can these two batteries be?

After looking up the model of the battery and poking around.
http://sunpow.forumotion.com/t207-samsung-fascinate-battery-eb575152yz
Though Verizon's Fascinate belongs to Samsung's Galaxy S series, the Fascinate uses a different battery from other Galaxy S phones like AT&T Captivate, Sprint Epic 4G and T-Mobile Vibrant. From the appearance, the Fascinate battery looks exactly the same as that of other Galaxy S Phones. But the chip inside is totally different. The Fascinate battery can't work on other Galaxy S phones, vice versa.
Both rated at 1500mAh, the Fascinate battery's OEM part number is EB575152YZ/EB575152YZBSTD, while the OEM part number for other Galaxy S phones is EB575152VA/EB575152VABSTD. Here are details of Fascinate battery:
Battery Type:Li-ION
Battery Capacity: 1500mAh
Voltage:3.7V
Weight: 33 grams
Size: 51mm x 51mmx5mm
Original battery code: EB575152YZ, EB575152YZBSTD
Compatible with Fascinate, Mesmerize, Showcase, SCH-I500
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More than likely it has something specific to do with when its mode changes for charging. The chip regulates the charge to the battery to optimize battery life and decrease efficiency loss. You can read more here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery

Yeah, I made this mistake; I bought the official Samsung external battery charger from Verizon because it was $10 cheaper than the one from Sprint.
Foolish mistake; the one from Verizon only works on the Fascinate and the Mesmerize. The one from Sprint works on the Epic 4G, the Vibrant and the Captivate, but for whatever reason, it's $50, while the Verizon one is $40.
Still, $50 for an external charger plus spare battery is better than T-Mobile US charging $45 for just the Vibrant battery!

I think you need a aftermarket charger in this case. I have got a set from china and work for different brand of battery. Luckily.
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jcsmart said:
I think you need a aftermarket charger in this case. I have got a set from china and work for different brand of battery. Luckily.
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Even with an aftermarket charger, it doesn't fix the problem with the battery being intended for the Fascinate and Mesmerize and not the Vibrant. The phone will not be stable with this battery installed.
From my experience using the blue Samsung battery: the Vibant will freeze often, and the battery gauge will not be accurate (off by +/-20% or more), the battery will drain ridiculously fast and the phone will become very hot.

synaesthetic said:
Yeah, I made this mistake; I bought the official Samsung external battery charger from Verizon because it was $10 cheaper than the one from Sprint.
Foolish mistake; the one from Verizon only works on the Fascinate and the Mesmerize. The one from Sprint works on the Epic 4G, the Vibrant and the Captivate, but for whatever reason, it's $50, while the Verizon one is $40.
Still, $50 for an external charger plus spare battery is better than T-Mobile US charging $45 for just the Vibrant battery!
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3000mAh battery for vibrant on ebay for $20... came with the extended back cover a bit different at first but I got used to it. Works great.
Sent from my smokin fast vibrant.
Nero v4.1 + Dow

I think the Samsung agent gave me a Fascinate battery instead of the one for everything else (including the Vibrant). I may just sell the Fascinate batteries on eBay.
I presume Verizon wanted a different battery to sell different accessories. I'm surprised Samsung went for it. They should have added a tab or something so the battery doesn't fit. Obviously even Samsung has trouble keeping things straight.
This is at least the second year Samsung gave away the batteries. They don't do it in the booth, but at a counter in area between the Central and North Halls, close to the Nathans/Pizza place.
Thanks everyone.. mystery solved.

cjggilbert said:
3000mAh battery for vibrant on ebay for $20... came with the extended back cover a bit different at first but I got used to it. Works great.
Sent from my smokin fast vibrant.
Nero v4.1 + Dow
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can you post the link for that battery?
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Battery Link
iynfynity said:
can you post the link for that battery?
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Here is the thread that will get you to the battery
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=910519

Glad I'd found this thread !!!
I purchased an extra battery and charger on eBay recently. Imagine MY surprise when my phone started balking when I put the new battery in. I purchased EB575152VA , but needed EB575152YZ.
Anyone here with a EB575152YZ spare battery system want to trade out for an even swap ? Mine has been taken out of the box, the battery put in the phone, then taken out with a quickness when my phone chastised me. If so, please contact me or I'm going to eBay it. I'm so SO thankful I found this forum.
There's really not a lot of helpful info out there. You guys just saved me several hundred dollars in a blown up phone and a voided warranty.
Cheers !!!

Ways to extend battery by changing hardware?

Are there any third party companies that make batteries for Nexus 4 with increased capacity? Or are there any cases with a battery attached to it like PowerSkins?
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ladygagadisco said:
Are there any third party companies that make batteries for Nexus 4 with increased capacity? Or are there any cases with a battery attached to it like PowerSkins?
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I dont know if you knew, but the Nexus 4 does not have a removable battery. Unless you did and those PowerSkins things charge things wirelessly.

It'd be awesome if the case charged your phone via the microusb charging port and then had its own charging port to make up for it. They've done it for the iPhone, so I don't see why it's not feasible.

Silencer96 said:
It'd be awesome if the case charged your phone via the microusb charging port and then had its own charging port to make up for it. They've done it for the iPhone, so I don't see why it's not feasible.
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Or have a qi charging case
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Well I know the battery is not removable. But I'm willing to open the back up and switch the battery to a much higher capacity one.
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ladygagadisco said:
Well I know the battery is not removable. But I'm willing to open the back up and switch the battery to a much higher capacity one.
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If you want higher capacity you would need a physically bigger battery. It's not possible to make a battery with more capacity and the same size as the original. So this would mean you need a different back and this won't happen since there is a lot of essential hardware on the back plate.
There are currently no extented battery case for our phone. You best bet for power on the go is an external battery pack. I recommend the monoprice 5000mah.

Change the phone to another, all set.

neotekz said:
If you want higher capacity you would need a physically bigger battery. It's not possible to make a battery with more capacity and the same size as the original. So this would mean you need a different back and this won't happen since there is a lot of essential hardware on the back plate.
There are currently no extented battery case for our phone. You best bet for power on the go is an external battery pack. I recommend the monoprice 5000mah.
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Not entirely true, you can up the battery about 300-400MAH without adding size, just costs more.
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i doubt anyone will offer a extended battery cover for this phone. The back of the phone is too complicated.
Even if it were possible to put a higher capacity battery in the stock space...the ~10-20% wouldnt be worth a company developing it for the phone.

IRX120 said:
Not entirely true, you can up the battery about 300-400MAH without adding size, just costs more.
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manufactures use better batteries than any aftermarket brands including mugen and seidio. They are not going to go to all the effort trying to make the thinnest phone possible and then stick a cheaper thicker battery in there. If you are going by the claims of these aftermarket brands then they are just inflating their capacity. Here's a site with thorough testing of these aftermarket batteries compared with OEM. http://batteryboss.org/

How long does your s4 take to charge?

Hey, I don't know if this was covered already, but how long does your phone take to charge from 0 to 100. Mine usually takes 2hrs- 2hrs 5 mins but a couple of my friends say their s4s take like 1hr 45 mins...
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I never let it drop past 10% but it only takes an hour (Aprrox) to get to 100% from 15%.

Wow thats quick! What I've realized is it basically charges 1% a minute until it reach about 90% then it takes around a half hour to go from 90-100. This is what happens with my device...
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I still dont think the S4 Battery is good enough either... I am going for Mugen Batteries - they have just release 2750mAh for pre-order but I am waiting to see what they bring out for the XL size

You guys have to remember that the NFC chip is embedded into the battery. So if you are going to replace it make sure it comes with the chip.
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DevilS4 said:
I still dont think the S4 Battery is good enough either... I am going for Mugen Batteries - they have just release 2750mAh for pre-order but I am waiting to see what they bring out for the XL size
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Its better than the s3 but I have to agree... I'm waiting on zero lemon. I had their 2300mah battery for the s3 and got around 6 hours screen time regularly...the s4 give me about 4 1/2 hrs screen time with around 10-11 hours on...which is about 2-3hrs less than I need. Maybe the mugen will give it the extra boost it needs
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Took me 2hr 15mins from 15%.
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I use a less powerful charger, so it takes me around 4 hours LOL! I'm trying to look for a new charger with 2mA output to do this faster

ronmtorres said:
I use a less powerful charger, so it takes me around 4 hours LOL! I'm trying to look for a new charger with 2mA output to do this faster
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What happened to the stock one that came with your S4?
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MaKTaiL said:
What happened to the stock one that came with your S4?
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I just don't use it LOL. I used it once to try it then put it back in the box. I guess I will use it from this point on then get a spare one for the office.

Mine does it surprisingly quick,
1-1hr and 20mins from 5-100
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0 => 100% 2h05
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max 2 hours for charging , the charge time is insanely fast despite the larger battery thanks to the new 2A charger

People should mention which variant they have. I guess the ones saying that it charges in 1h - 1h20min have the S600 variant with qualcomm's quick charge.

CreepyDroid said:
People should mention which variant they have. I guess the ones saying that it charges in 1h - 1h20min have the S600 variant with qualcomm's quick charge.
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I guess thats why... because I have the octa core version and it definitely can't be charged in less than 2 hrs by my tests..
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CreepyDroid said:
People should mention which variant they have. I guess the ones saying that it charges in 1h - 1h20min have the S600 variant with qualcomm's quick charge.
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Same here, international i9505,
Damn this baby's chargin quick
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stock charger is 2mA?
ronmtorres said:
I use a less powerful charger, so it takes me around 4 hours LOL! I'm trying to look for a new charger with 2mA output to do this faster
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The stock charger is 2mA output and my s4 600 version takes 2 hours 10 mins from 1/5% to full. S3 charger is only 1mA. And the quad core qualcomm 600 should charge faster than exynos version cause its have a quick charge built in to most of the 600 cpu's except the htc one. Bet exynos takes 3 hours

2 hours 5-100% i9500 here.

chrizhaynes said:
The stock charger is 2mA output and my s4 600 version takes 2 hours 10 mins from 1/5% to full. S3 charger is only 1mA. And the quad core qualcomm 600 should charge faster than exynos version cause its have a quick charge built in to most of the 600 cpu's except the htc one. Bet exynos takes 3 hours
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One question:
I have the S4 I9500.
I use here at home my wife's S2 charger which is 0,7mA and sometimes I use S3 charger/data cable which is 1mA.
At work or other places normally I use the S3 charger/data cable.
The S4 charger is unused at box because I don't like the white color (mainly the cable, because it gets dirty so fast).
I tried the S4 charger with S3 data cable and the thing is charging reaaaaally fast.
I don't mind using the S4 white charger, so, are there any problems using the S4 charger with S3 data cable?

No problem at all
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[Q] Charger types

Hi
Can anyone tell me with total certainty if the S3 and S4 mains chargers are interchangeable with either device without long term damage? My S3 charger delivers 0.7A and my S4 charger delivers 2.0A
Obviously I have loads of S3 chargers and don't want to fork out for more for the S4 - would the S3 charger just charge the S4 slower? Would using the S4 charger damage the S3? I still need to use both phones (work/home)
Thanks!
Paul

Yes, the S3 charger will just charge the S4 at about 1/3 the speed of the S4 charger. Otherwise, it's fine.

stuartv said:
Yes, the S3 charger will just charge the S4 at about 1/3 the speed of the S4 charger. Otherwise, it's fine.
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Thanks, I would expect that really but how about the other way around? Does anyone know what the max charge rate is for the S3? If I plug the S4 charger in it provides 2A is this too much for the S3? I have looked around and can't find any max charge rates :s

Paul75_XD said:
Thanks, I would expect that really but how about the other way around? Does anyone know what the max charge rate is for the S3? If I plug the S4 charger in it provides 2A is this too much for the S3? I have looked around and can't find any max charge rates :s
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Well you should test it out, have a battery app or widget on the S3 and charge it with the S4 charger. If it gets too hot, then its best to stick with the S3 charger.

Paul75_XD said:
Thanks, I would expect that really but how about the other way around? Does anyone know what the max charge rate is for the S3? If I plug the S4 charger in it provides 2A is this too much for the S3? I have looked around and can't find any max charge rates :s
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No, I think stuartv is making joke. With different currency, I think you can not use S3 charger to charge S4.

tiffany9123 said:
No, I think stuartv is making joke. With different currency, I think you can not use S3 charger to charge S4.
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No, it's not a different current, it's just different power with the same voltage. Therefore, both chargers are interchangeable and it won't break any phone, no worries. If the S3 can't drain 2W (I don't know if it can), it'll just drain less.
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ah you mean the phone draws the power rather than the adapter pushing the power through the circuit?

Charging any battery at a higher current will shorten the life of the battery, only sightly at those levels though, and vise versa charging at lowers currents will increase the life of the battery
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calum96 said:
Charging any battery at a higher current will shorten the life of the battery, only sightly at those levels though, and vise versa charging at lowers currents will increase the life of the battery
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damned physics!

But do the sake of fast charging, I'd just buy anoher battery 2 years later for £10
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Paul75_XD said:
Hi
Can anyone tell me with total certainty if the S3 and S4 mains chargers are interchangeable with either device without long term damage? My S3 charger delivers 0.7A and my S4 charger delivers 2.0A
Obviously I have loads of S3 chargers and don't want to fork out for more for the S4 - would the S3 charger just charge the S4 slower? Would using the S4 charger damage the S3? I still need to use both phones (work/home)
Thanks!
Paul
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The original charger works perfect charging with ful voltage and fast s3 charger sucks or use 3 pins chager mostly come with us models
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Would charging with 'stronger' charger affect battery longevity?

I'm just wondering if using a different charger would affect the Z1's battery life?
I've seen the description on the original charger, and it's charge rate is 1.5mAh and with the phone's 3mAh battery almost 2 hours for it to charge. Now, my sister and dad have tablets and their chargers' charge rates are 2mAh.
Again the question is, would using these charges affect the life of the Z1's battery? Again, I'm very concerned because as you know, Z1's cannot be replaced conventionally.
Thanks for your feedbacks. Appreciate it.
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I actually just bought the 2 Amp Samsung charger for that exact reason...takes too long to charge. I don't think there would be any issue.
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mrcrusha829 said:
I actually just bought the 2 Amp Samsung charger for that exact reason...takes too long to charge. I don't think there would be any issue.
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Thanks for the quick reply dude, but any technical references or long-term observations that would prove this is okay?
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FYI
Hi guys! You're totaly wrong. If you are use high-ampers chargers for your phones, you can destroy your battery or, at least, significantly reduce the battery life. I have some bad experience with motorola radio stations wich we use in some airport service groups. When we buy hi-ampers chargers for it we was happy by time of chargeing, but after half of year useing it we just throw out all accums, because it began to hold charge about hour or two only
After consulting with with motorolla support we have found that its strongly not reccomended to use charger with higher amperage then recomended by manufacturer.
As a result:
Positive - we have quick charging time
Negative - disastrous decline in the lifetime of the battery

romaha said:
Hi guys! You're totaly wrong. If you are use high-ampers chargers for your phones, you can destroy your battery or, at least, significantly reduce the battery life. I have some bad experience with motorola radio stations wich we use in some airport service groups. When we buy hi-ampers chargers for it we was happy by time of chargeing, but after half of year useing it we just throw out all accums, because it began to hold charge about hour or two only
After consulting with with motorolla support we have found that its strongly not reccomended to use charger with higher amperage then recomended by manufacturer.
As a result:
Positive - we have quick charging time
Negative - disastrous decline in the lifetime of the battery
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tat is motorola. this is sony.
i also brought a samsung 2amp charger to charge my previous xperia v n current phone.
sony phone itself hav a circuit to regulate the input if it found charging amp way too high.

romaha said:
Hi guys! You're totaly wrong. If you are use high-ampers chargers for your phones, you can destroy your battery or, at least, significantly reduce the battery life. I have some bad experience with motorola radio stations wich we use in some airport service groups. When we buy hi-ampers chargers for it we was happy by time of chargeing, but after half of year useing it we just throw out all accums, because it began to hold charge about hour or two only
After consulting with with motorolla support we have found that its strongly not reccomended to use charger with higher amperage then recomended by manufacturer.
As a result:
Positive - we have quick charging time
Negative - disastrous decline in the lifetime of the battery
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That's very unfortunate to hear dude, thanks for your input. I hope to not make the same mistakes again.
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chunlianghere said:
tat is motorola. this is sony.
i also brought a samsung 2amp charger to charge my previous xperia v n current phone.
sony phone itself hav a circuit to regulate the input if it found charging amp way too high.
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Thank you for your insight.
I have several questions though:
1) how long have you been using this 2amp charger? Was it continuous usage?
2) do you have any idea, or any exact figure on what "too high" means in numbers? That way we can all benefit if Sony phones could handle the extra "uhmp". And anyone who has a Z1 who can attest to this?
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2amp isn't problem.
I'm using that charger (from my N7) and only thing I changed is cable - I'm using magnetic-microusb cable and that's great combo.
I'm charging Z1 from the day 1 (I bought Z1 in October 2013) and my battery is still perfect.
25-30hours with.5.5-6.5 h of screen time.
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The rated output of a charger is the maximum output, however it will only output what the phone takes in - in other words, if the phone only takes 1.5A, the charger will only output 1.5A even if it's capable of 2.1A. Using a higher ampere charger would only work if, say, the phone can take in 1.5A but the charger only outputs 1A, then using a 1.5A charger would boost charging times

funky0308 said:
2amp isn't problem.
I'm using that charger (from my N7) and only thing I changed is cable - I'm using magnetic-microusb cable and that's great combo.
I'm charging Z1 from the day 1 (I bought Z1 in October 2013) and my battery is still perfect.
25-30hours with.5.5-6.5 h of screen time.
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Hmmm, that looks promising, I also ordered a magnetic micro usb cable few weeks back. Thanks for your feedback dude.
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pandaball said:
The rated output of a charger is the maximum output, however it will only output what the phone takes in - in other words, if the phone only takes 1.5A, the charger will only output 1.5A even if it's capable of 2.1A. Using a higher ampere charger would only work if, say, the phone can take in 1.5A but the charger only outputs 1A, then using a 1.5A charger would boost charging times
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Yeah, that's what I also believe. But hey, then why do most gadgets heat up a little bit more when using a stronger charger? I'm not doubting the principles that you mentioned, but I need something tangible to look at: like an article from Sony for Z1 itself.
The other guy's experience and your comment here seems to be coinciding with each other, but You can never be too sure right?
But seriously, Thank you for your insight. I really appreciate it. That's what I like about the community here. Thanks man!
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digiknowzone said:
Yeah, that's what I also believe. But hey, then why do most gadgets heat up a little bit more when using a stronger charger? I'm not doubting the principles that you mentioned, but I need something tangible to look at: like an article from Sony for Z1 itself.
The other guy's experience and your comment here seems to be coinciding with each other, but You can never be too sure right?
But seriously, Thank you for your insight. I really appreciate it. That's what I like about the community here. Thanks man!
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Gadgets heat up more when using a stronger charger because of my second premise - that the phone is capable of taking in a higher amperage than the charger that it came with. I think such a scenario is more likely since manufacturers would find a balance between charging times and heat, since too much heat would permanently damage the phone's charging circuitry as well as shortening battery life, so they provide a charger that outputs a lower maximum than what the phone can take in.
I do not know of any documentation Sony might have on this, but this is more or less physics in action. I did find a couple of readings here and here, and the main snippets are as follows:
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But the amperage rating is only a measure of the adapter's maximum capability—the actual amperage is determined by the load (i.e., the iPad or iPhone)
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HowToGeek said:
If you connected the tablet’s charger to the smartphone, nothing would explode or catch fire. The smartphone likely won’t draw the maximum number of amps the charger can provide, but that should be fine. The smartphone may even charge a bit faster.
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