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For my 3000 post, I figured I would do something special for those of us fresh into TMOUSA's crappy 2 year contract (and for those thinking about it).
We all drooled and drooled consistently until TMOUSA came out with the HD2. There is a catch though, it is through TMOUSA. Many people have reported crappy service (cell-wise) and flat spots for data coverage (3G areas turning into Edge, turning into GPRS, into no-data). On top of that paying $450 for a device is not exactly appealing either ($199 sounds like a much better deal after all). I have been thinking about it long and hard and I came up with the perfect mathematical solution for getting a cheaper HD2, sticking to TMOUSA cheaper plans (or leave TMOUSA altogether), and not paying for such crappy data plan/coverage. If you are like me, you are surrounded by an accessible Wifi signal about 70-80% of your waking day, so being forced to pay $30 per month is borderline stupid.
[highlight]Edit: My method is only for brand new devices. A lot of you are suggesting cheaper solutions by buying them off eBay or craiglist, which will come with the added risk of device malfunctions or scams. If you feel adventurous enough to go down these paths... by all means. It usually works out better in the end anyways. But this method ensures a brand new device, that you will get on the spot.[/highlight]
Without Further Ado, I give you the "Scr3w You Very Much, TMOUSA" Method...
Getting HD2 without contract from the store:
$450
Cheapest Unlimited voice only plan from TMO: $49.99 (without contract)
Cost over two years: $49.99 * 24 months = $1199.76
Getting HD2 with contract from the store:
$199
Cheapest Unlimited voice + Data (they will force you into this) plan from TMO: $89.99 (2 year contract)
Cost over two years: $89.99 * 24 months = $2159.76
Cost to get out of the contract (option available only after 15 days from establishing a contract - aka remorse period): $200
Difference in phone price (with and without contract difference):
$450 - $199 = $251
Cost of breaking Contract and Keeping New Phone: $199 + $200 = $399
so we are saving $50 right off the bat (remember that the no contract price is $450, so $450 - $399 = $51)
Plan Cost:
$2159.76 - $1199.76 = $960 savings over two years
Total Savings over 2 years ($960 plan cost savings - $200 early cancellation fee + $50 for savings versus purchasing HD2 @ full price)= $810
You may think "but I still need internet" on the road... simple answer to that too:
Internet package from non contract plan = $25
Internet package from contract plan = $30
Savings over 24 months contract = $120
May not seem like much, but when you add that to the $240 from the unlimited voice plan difference (49.99 w/o contract vs $59.99 w contract), it adds to $360 for the life of the contract, plus you can leave them dry at any point you want...
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I hope this is useful into deciding if you are getting a HD2 but don't want TMOUSA as your carrier or simply don't feel like paying a lot to them.
Good to know for us tmobile users my friend.. i'll stick it as requested.
But there are those of us who actually need more than the basic services.
My business requires me to have unlimited minutes, texts, and e-mail access at all times.
So, over all, T-Mobile is cheaper than At&T or Verizon.
But I do see your point.
$30 a month for 3G internet service does seem a bit too much, when I pay the same amount for 4G (Clear Wireless) at home.
I would much rather opt out of TMOUS 2 year contract and jump ship to AT&T/Verizon/Sprint...
TMOUS has the absolute WORST service...
I guess you forgot the %35 Bing cash back when you shop online and pay full price! $300 with no contract is the best deal
Funkyrocemz said:
I would much rather opt out of TMOUS 2 year contract and jump ship to AT&T/Verizon/Sprint...
TMOUS has the absolute WORST service...
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Depends on where you are...they work quite fine in many major areas.
This does make sense. But then again it doesnt. Think about it!
Tmobile sells it on a 2 year contract for $199.
Walmart sells the samething (online) for $99 plus theres many coupons foe $25 off. So thats $75 on a new 2 year contract. Walmart also pays taxes.
Thats $75 vs. $450+ tax.
Now let me get to the point. If you want data+text+500 minutes. Its 59.99 on even more plus. Vs. $79.99 on contract.
So thats $20 more a month.
Heres the catch. If you cancel your contract after 6 months. The fee goes from $200 to $100 per line.
So lets add this up.
Buy the phone for $75. Add ($20 extra a month for 6 months= $120). And then add another $100 for the contract cancellation. Thats a total of $295.
So $295 vs. $450+ tax. Which sounds like a better deal?
After you cancel the contract. Just sign up for even more plus..
As an alternative (I did that personally), buy one get one free from T-Mobile promotion ... and pay $200 + tax for TWO HD2 phones. Activation waived.
So you pay $214 (in FL) for 2 phones.
Then you pay for 2 weeks of cheapest service (around $70) and cancellation fees of $400 for 2 phones
Total loss: $684
And you eBay your 2nd HD2 for $500 (around 450 after all fees)
You get your new shiny HD2 for $234 and you did not even extended your contract yet
Don't Forget HTC has extended the turn in a old phone and get 50.00 on top of that with teh purchase of a HD2, G1, etc... I think till May 19th
recyclerebates.com/htcWebQuote.do;jsessionid=B386A281A1471313D8E724CBA74DD8B4
joshkoss said:
Good to know for us tmobile users my friend.. i'll stick it as requested.
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Thanks a lot josh!
Always a pleasure hearing from you, my friend!
rickyoon.vegas said:
But there are those of us who actually need more than the basic services.
My business requires me to have unlimited minutes, texts, and e-mail access at all times.
So, over all, T-Mobile is cheaper than At&T or Verizon.
But I do see your point.
$30 a month for 3G internet service does seem a bit too much, when I pay the same amount for 4G (Clear Wireless) at home.
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You may think "but I still need internet" on the road... simple answer to that too:
Internet package from non contract plan = $25
Internet package from contract plan = $30
Savings over 24 months contract = $120
May not seem like much, but when you add that to the $240 from the unlimited voice plan difference (49.99 w/o contract vs $59.99 w contract), it adds to $360 for the life of the contract, plus you can leave them dry at any point you want...
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Internet with the cheaper plans is cheaper ($5 a month cheaper to be more precise)
alefsin said:
I guess you forgot the %35 Bing cash back when you shop online and pay full price! $300 with no contract is the best deal
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It isn't as much as I forgot, but rather I had no idea about it (then, again, I have never used Bing)
joefx13 said:
This does make sense. But then again it doesnt. Think about it!
Tmobile sells it on a 2 year contract for $199.
Walmart sells the samething (online) for $99 plus theres many coupons foe $25 off. So thats $75 on a new 2 year contract. Walmart also pays taxes.
Thats $75 vs. $450+ tax.
Now let me get to the point. If you want data+text+500 minutes. Its 59.99 on even more plus. Vs. $79.99 on contract.
So thats $20 more a month.
Heres the catch. If you cancel your contract after 6 months. The fee goes from $200 to $100 per line.
So lets add this up.
Buy the phone for $75. Add ($20 extra a month for 6 months= $120). And then add another $100 for the contract cancellation. Thats a total of $295.
So $295 vs. $450+ tax. Which sounds like a better deal?
After you cancel the contract. Just sign up for even more plus..
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Wow! I had no idea Walmart sold these... I bought mine at Best Buy (had a $70 coupon from Rewards)
I was looking at this option and it is done through "Let's Talk"... and they do have their own set of rules (apart from TMOUSA)
$200 LetsTalk instant discount
Purchase select T-Mobile phones online or through our customer service department and receive a $200.00 instant discount when you activate new T-Mobile service on a plan of $59.99 per month or higher and in conjunction with any feature or bundle or any other plan option at least $30.00 per month or greater. This exclusive offer is limited to select online retailers and is not available in any stores. Certain rate plans may not apply. This promotion applies only to individual plans or line 1 to line 2 of a family plan and requires a (2) two-year service agreement.
Offer Qualifications and Restrictions:
Cancellation of this purchase option within the first 61 days of activation will result in a $100 penalty charge.
Customers who add a qualifying feature after their service has been activated by LetsTalk.com are NOT eligible unless the feature is activated by LetsTalk.com directly.
If the customer receives their phone and the qualifying data feature is not active, the customer must contact LetsTalk.com directly to have the feature added in order to avoid a chargeback.
If the customer receives their phone and wishes to add the qualifying feature to take advantage of the offer, the customer must contact LetsTalk.com's Customer Service center and LetsTalk.com must add the qualifying feature through their activation system.
Customers who contact T-Mobile directly to have the qualifying feature added to their accounts post activation will not be eligible for this offer.
The customer may not change the feature activated by LetsTalk.com through T-Mobile's website, call center retail stores or any other T-Mobile agents or representatives and must maintain the same qualifying feature selected at the time of purchase for 61 days in order to avoid a deactivation chargeback.
If the customer wishes to change to a different qualifying feature they must contact LetsTalk.com directly and LetsTalk.com must change the data feature directly otherwise the customer may be liable for a chargeback.
LetsTalk.com imposes this chargeback solely to recoup plan feature commissions deducted by T-Mobile.
Phones Eligible for this Promotion:
Samsung Behold II (T-Mobile), HTC HD2 (T-Mobile)
Qualifying Plan Features for this promotion:
Android Unlimited Web, Android Unlimited Web for Flexpay, myTouch Unlimited Web, myTouch Unlimited Web for Flexpay, BlackBerry Unlimited Web, BlackBerry Unlimited Web for Flexpay, BlackBerry Unlimited Web w/Enterprise Email, BlackBerry Unlimited Web w/Enterprise Email for Flexpay, Sidekick Unlimited Web, Sidekick Unlimited Web for Flexpay, SmartPhone Unlimited Web, SmartPhone Unlimited Web for Flexpay
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But you are absolutely correct about everything you are saying... There will be various methods for doing this (which result in different savings) based on personal usage of the features of the plan. In my case, (as I explained in the first post) I don't really need internet 24/7 on my device since most of my waking time, I am in areas where wireless is available, so for me this translates into at least saving $30 per month (without accounting the fact that the unlimited voice is $10 cheaper as well), and here is the thing why I posted this. Remember that having internet when you are in a contract is not an option, it is a requirement... there is no way out of it unless you break your contract or pay full price for the phone. I figured this way to be cheaper for my usage type.
Maybe I will change the title of this thread to "Ways of Getting a Cheaper Device and No Contract" or something like that. I appreciate your input on this
bogdatov said:
As an alternative (I did that personally), buy one get one free from T-Mobile promotion ... and pay $200 + tax for TWO HD2 phones. Activation waived.
So you pay $214 (in FL) for 2 phones.
Then you pay for 2 weeks of cheapest service (around $70) and cancellation fees of $400 for 2 phones
Total loss: $684
And you eBay your 2nd HD2 for $500 (around 450 after all fees)
You get your new shiny HD2 for $234 and you did not even extended your contract yet
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Not bad, but why would someone pay $500 for a device on eBay (assuming shipping is included), when they can buy it brand new, from the store, no contract needed for $450?
alooohaboy said:
Don't Forget HTC has extended the turn in a old phone and get 50.00 on top of that with teh purchase of a HD2, G1, etc... I think till May 19th
recyclerebates.com/htcWebQuote.do;jsessionid=B386A281A1471313D8E724CBA74DD8B4
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I just checked it out and in order to do this, you have to have proof of purchase (receipt or UPC box label). I have a 7 year old Wallaby bought in eBay, a 5 year old Blue Angel, 2 0.5 year old Vogues (soon to be 4), soon to have a Tytn, and a Wizard (which I sold, but for the sake of argument, I will throw it in as well).... I cannot use any of these devices for that since I have no way of providing them with proof of purchase (and this happens to be the case for a lot of htc device owners around here).
It is a good resource to have though. Thanks for sharing.
Just spoke to LetsTalk customer support. aka Walmart $99 purchase.
They'll give you the phone for $99 but if you break the contract within 6 months, you'll have to pay $250 disconnect fee to LetsTalk in addition to the $200 charged by T-Mobile.
I went to a Sams Club last week and they had it for $142 + tax. The guy there said I can keep my existing plan (family plan and $25 android data plan).
So my plan is to buy the phone from Sams Club. If I like it, I'll stay on the new 2 yr contract and if I don't I'll break the contract after 30 days and sell it on craigslist (ebay charges a lot of fees).
I've been waiting for a good android phone for a long time (my contract on the G1 got over more than a year ago. But since T-Mobile is not getting any good androind phones, I'll try WM 6.5. Microsoft wins and Google loses. The last WM device I used was an MPX200. I would have bought the Nexus One if they allowed me to add it to my family plan with a discounted rate.
before u go getting phones at contract discount and canceling. you may want to read this http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1634784
basically says tmobile will start blcking IMEI's of phones from canceled contracts. I dont know if its legit but i just bought a HD2 from ebay and now im paranoid anyone heard of this?
Edit seller assured me thats not the case for me but still thats kinda scary.
kcaj32 said:
Just spoke to LetsTalk customer support. aka Walmart $99 purchase.
They'll give you the phone for $99 but if you break the contract within 6 months, you'll have to pay $250 disconnect fee to LetsTalk in addition to the $200 charged by T-Mobile.
I went to a Sams Club last week and they had it for $142 + tax. The guy there said I can keep my existing plan (family plan and $25 android data plan).
So my plan is to buy the phone from Sams Club. If I like it, I'll stay on the new 2 yr contract and if I don't I'll break the contract after 30 days and sell it on craigslist (ebay charges a lot of fees).
I've been waiting for a good android phone for a long time (my contract on the G1 got over more than a year ago. But since T-Mobile is not getting any good androind phones, I'll try WM 6.5. Microsoft wins and Google loses. The last WM device I used was an MPX200. I would have bought the Nexus One if they allowed me to add it to my family plan with a discounted rate.
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This is true!
But if you plan on keeping the phone for atleast 181 days, then lets talk will remove the fee (plus tmobile will only charge $100 per line). This would be the best decision for someone looking to keep the phone and not sell it anytime soon.
mrbox23 said:
before u go getting phones at contract discount and canceling. you may want to read this http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1634784
basically says tmobile will start blcking IMEI's of phones from canceled contracts. I dont know if its legit but i just bought a HD2 from ebay and now im paranoid anyone heard of this?
Edit seller assured me thats not the case for me but still thats kinda scary.
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I guess this would apply more to being careful about buying the phone from 3rd party (places like ebay, craiglist, etc)
joefx13 said:
This is true!
But if you plan on keeping the phone for atleast 181 days, then lets talk will remove the fee (plus tmobile will only charge $100 per line). This would be the best decision for someone looking to keep the phone and not sell it anytime soon.
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I spoke to T-Mobile too. Their policy for canceling 2 years contract is:
If you have more than 180 days from the end of the contract, you pay $200.
If you have more than 90 days but less than 180 before contract ends, its $50, and less than 90 days for contract to end, you pay $25.
But yes, I agree that someone who plans on keeping the phone for 2 years, its a good deal.
i currently got an upgrade on my line for the mytouch 4g. i don't know if i should return it and buy the phone instead. being stuck two years with the data plans kinda scares me. i was on even more plus before when i had my nexus one and it felt better to know i can cancel my data plan whenever.
one of the reason i signed a contract was because i'm in a family plan with my parents. since they've already signed a two years contract, i have to wait for another two years before i can be on my own.
so i'm thinking, which one is better for me? even tho i wasn't on a contract before, i still have to wait two years for my parents contract to expired. so it basically the same thing without the data plan add on. (except they added another 5 to my account now. the data plan was only 25 dollars before. now it's 30.)
should i return the phone and just buy it outright? but i don't think tmobile sells insurance if you just buy the phone tho. it kinda risky knowing that it could break down any second.
thanks in advance.
tigerin said:
i currently got an upgrade on my line for the mytouch 4g. i don't know if i should return it and buy the phone instead. being stuck two years with the data plans kinda scares me. i was on even more plus before when i had my nexus one and it felt better to know i can cancel my data plan whenever.
one of the reason i signed a contract was because i'm in a family plan with my parents. since they've already signed a two years contract, i have to wait for another two years before i can be on my own.
so i'm thinking, which one is better for me? even tho i wasn't on a contract before, i still have to wait two years for my parents contract to expired. so it basically the same thing without the data plan add on. (except they added another 5 to my account now. the data plan was only 25 dollars before. now it's 30.)
should i return the phone and just buy it outright? but i don't think tmobile sells insurance if you just buy the phone tho. it kinda risky knowing that it could break down any second.
thanks in advance.
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Tmo does offer insurance. As for your plan, you could try calling and talking with customer retention and tell them you are ONLY thinking of returning it. They might offer you a deal where you return it and get one from them directly (got mine for $99, and the plan for $20).
If you got that deal and canceled down the road , you would still be better off than simply buying the phone full price now ($99 plus cancellation charge is less).
Good luck
thanks! i've just called them and the lady there was willing to put my data plan back down to 25 dollars and offered one month free of data. she seem nice and helpful, so i don't want to give her a hard time and push more.
I bought mine off contract. They give you 20 months to pay @ 0% interest.
So, if you pay the $199 + tax on the full price that is approx. $250...
I paid $450 + tax ... approx. $500
The subsidized plan that I am on would be $79/month, but I am paying only $59 with no contract... a difference of $20 a month.
My monthly phone payment is about $25/month..... buying outright is cheaper than contract pricing for the full 2 year term:
Subsidized price after 2 years = $199 price + $50 tax on full purchase price +$480 (24 x $20 more for subsidized plan) = $729 + ongoing $20 month more after 2 years that is not paying for anything... just gravy for the carrier.
Full purchase price = $450 + $50 = $500. cancel anytime. sell phone. walk away.
In addition, I also got them to give me a $90 credit on my account... basically getting the sales tax back and activation fee refunded... AND they don't start billing for the phone until 2011.
**This is of course if you stay with the same phone and plan for 2 years and you don't change your plan once your contract is up.
I bought it straight up also, no contract
Same hers. Straight up
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straight up, i think i may return it though and buy it straight up from costco for 399.99 unless tmobile price matchs
PolishDude said:
straight up, i think i may return it though and buy it straight up from costco for 399.99 unless tmobile price matchs
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I'm not yet eligible for an ugrade and Costco would not sell it to me straight up..
rosie said:
I'm not yet eligible for an ugrade and Costco would not sell it to me straight up..
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sure they will, jsut say you want to buy it with a even more plus plan...they will open the plan for you...as soon as you leave the store, call tmobile and cancel the plan.... easy
I've bought both my G2 and MT4G from tmobile straight up. Both are on installment plans. Sold the G2, and now debating about the MT4G. I like the fact that we can pay ~$20 a month for the phone rather than $500 out right. The only time I feel I wished I had a plan with equipment discounts is when they do BOGO, other than that, I like the cheaper monthly rates.
I still think a good price on the phone ($99-149) and plan from retention is the best (unless you have one of those vintage $4.99 plans that some are still using on N1's).
As long as you are using the phone and plan going forward, you are ahead (assuming your data plan would be either lower than your current plan or not much more). If you want to eBay it - then you would have the cancellation charge. Combined with a good phone price, you are still ahead.
And if you were going to stay with the TMo data plan anyway - you would be way ahead.
I had even considered getting TMo to unlock the MT4G (I always do), and keeping my N1 and selling it on eBay.
With it rooted, am now probably looking at eBaying the N1 and keeping this.
Today I was unhappy to see that AT&T is raising insurance and deductible rates, significantly starting I believe the flyer said October 1st.
Old pricing:
$4.99/mo
$125 deductible
New pricing:
$6.99/mo
$199 deductible
Anyone else ditching their insurance?
Interesting rant on the AT&T forums about the iPhone insurance:
"I have just recently purchased an iPhone 3GS and procured insurance through Asurion. My bill: $11.99/month - $99/deduct - 24hr delivery.
As of September of 2011, ALL iPhone users will be forced to convert to AT&T's "new" iPhone insurance plan, (equal to that of Asurion's current coverage) if they want desirable coverage (including theft and water damage). The only problem with that is this: in October of 2011, the monthly rate will INCREASE from $4.99 to $6.99 and the deductible will be $199.99 for ALL iPhone models, even those that were not previously in the third tier (3G and 3GS). So, not only does AT&T have the audacity to raise their rates in an economically troubled time, they also slap us in the face before they bend us over with the $199.99 deduct when it was originally just under half of that.
I am very displeased with this insurance scam AT&T has going. It is ridiculous that we have to keep paying MORE for the same crappy and under-educated service we've been dealing with for years. I have been an AT&T wireless customer since I got my first cell phone and have not been with another carrier, but what choice do we have if we want the "best". Well, this could very well be my last venture with AT&T, if something isn't done about this insurance scam. I' expect to pay something for a refurb replacement, but not 2/3 of the retail value (again, for a refurb) when I also pay the monthly fee.
Insurance Scam Equation:
iPhone 3GS in-store retail (new) - $449
iPhone 3GS online retail (refurb) - from $300
12 months insurance (under 12 month factory warranty) - $84
iPhone deductible - $199
$199
+$84
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$283
$283 replacement with insurance.
$300 replacement without insurance.
So what's the deal here... or better yet, WHERE'S the deal? I'm saving a measly $17 dollars by paying monthly to AT&T for more headache than ever needed, especially when I can go buy one over the net with no headaches (next day shipping available) for the same price.... It would be more worth it if it was a NEW phone and not a refurb, but in almost all cases you're going to get a refurb. Sorry AT&T, I just don't get it. The only way this would ever be worth it is if I was to break my phone twice in 12 months, then I'd be saving a little more, but not enough to have any real meaning."
Also you can see the following:
http://9to5mac.com/2011/07/12/att-raises-iphone-device-tier-on-october-4th-perhaps-signaling-launch-date/
This may not be all AT&T either from what I'm reading. I wonder how much of it is Asurion Insurance. I for one will be ditching coverage on my phone and my wife's phone. We'll keep the lower insurance for the kids phones though!
gzrecoil said:
Today I was unhappy to see that AT&T is raising insurance and deductible rates, significantly starting I believe the flyer said October 1st.
Old pricing:
$4.99/mo
$125 deductible
New pricing:
$6.99/mo
$199 deductible
Anyone else ditching their insurance?
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Yea complete $h1t, dropped my insurance. Everyone else should, maybe they'l move it back.
People probably bricking more phones than they anticipated!
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People probably bricking more phones than they anticipated!
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Truth
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Pay full price for phones. I bet you don't need insurance then. Or get through your own insurance. About a year ago I priced it and it was a little over $80 for a year coverage and $50 deductible. But that was about a year ago.
Sent from the coolest voided warranty phone ever.
Best Buy's is $9.99 per month, but with no deductible. It doesn't cover theft or "sub-merged" water damage but it covers pretty much everything else.
I prefer it because of the no deductible.
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I'm going to start "losing" my phone. According to my friend who is a district manager of att stores in my area, if you report your phone "lost," not stolen, they will send you a brand new phone as opposed to a refurbished one. You can report a phone lost twice a year. So figure, lose it, sell on craigslist, make $100 or so, get a new phone...repeat. I felt bad at first, but now hearing about this I feel as though its justified. An eye for an eye
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I'm going to start "losing" my phone. According to my friend who is a district manager of att stores in my area, if you report your phone "lost," not stolen, they will send you a brand new phone as opposed to a refurbished one. You can report a phone lost twice a year. So figure, lose it, sell on craigslist, make $100 or so, get a new phone...repeat. I felt bad at first, but now hearing about this I feel as though its justified. An eye for an eye
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and this is where everybody should thank you for feeling bad at first and then not.
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I'm going to start "losing" my phone. According to my friend who is a district manager of att stores in my area, if you report your phone "lost," not stolen, they will send you a brand new phone as opposed to a refurbished one. You can report a phone lost twice a year. So figure, lose it, sell on craigslist, make $100 or so, get a new phone...repeat. I felt bad at first, but now hearing about this I feel as though its justified. An eye for an eye
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Disgusting.
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It may depend on how much you owe on breaking contract. The reality is if you have to fork out cash for a new phone you may as well go to another carrier and purchase a new phone......giving a free phone can keep them from losing a customer. Especially if they are giving you a new phone (same model) which is something you owned for 1.5 years that has depreciated in value anyways.
Yet for repairs and theft its better off to force the OEM to fix with warranty.... or fill out legal paperwork for reporting stolen property. In either of these cases its better to let ATT stand back and let somebody else fix the problem.
I have spoken with account cancellation services at ATT many times with the intention of striking a deal by merely pointing (politely) out the cost of going to another carrier is less than my current options....they are always willing to accomodate.
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I'm going to start "losing" my phone. According to my friend who is a district manager of att stores in my area, if you report your phone "lost," not stolen, they will send you a brand new phone as opposed to a refurbished one. You can report a phone lost twice a year. So figure, lose it, sell on craigslist, make $100 or so, get a new phone...repeat. I felt bad at first, but now hearing about this I feel as though its justified. An eye for an eye
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You know that's insurance fraud right?
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I'm going to start "losing" my phone. According to my friend who is a district manager of att stores in my area, if you report your phone "lost," not stolen, they will send you a brand new phone as opposed to a refurbished one. You can report a phone lost twice a year. So figure, lose it, sell on craigslist, make $100 or so, get a new phone...repeat. I felt bad at first, but now hearing about this I feel as though its justified. An eye for an eye
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This is why our rates are going up.... thanks alot!!!
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I wonder if this is related to the [potential] eventual AT&T-sanctioned unlocking of the Atrix bootloader?
I think it may also be due to the fact that an lte ATRIX is likely on the way...perhaps a launch phone for AT&T lte... would basicly be a cut/paste of the bionic.
Makes sense, once lte launches on AT&T any lte phone will also do hspa +... I expect it by the end of the year. And all of the people that purchased the original ATRIX may begin looking for a way out/upgrade....etc
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Interesting rant on the AT&T forums about the iPhone insurance:
"I have just recently purchased an iPhone 3GS and procured insurance through Asurion. My bill: $11.99/month - $99/deduct - 24hr delivery.
As of September of 2011, ALL iPhone users will be forced to convert to AT&T's "new" iPhone insurance plan, (equal to that of Asurion's current coverage) if they want desirable coverage (including theft and water damage). The only problem with that is this: in October of 2011, the monthly rate will INCREASE from $4.99 to $6.99 and the deductible will be $199.99 for ALL iPhone models, even those that were not previously in the third tier (3G and 3GS). So, not only does AT&T have the audacity to raise their rates in an economically troubled time, they also slap us in the face before they bend us over with the $199.99 deduct when it was originally just under half of that.
I am very displeased with this insurance scam AT&T has going. It is ridiculous that we have to keep paying MORE for the same crappy and under-educated service we've been dealing with for years. I have been an AT&T wireless customer since I got my first cell phone and have not been with another carrier, but what choice do we have if we want the "best". Well, this could very well be my last venture with AT&T, if something isn't done about this insurance scam. I' expect to pay something for a refurb replacement, but not 2/3 of the retail value (again, for a refurb) when I also pay the monthly fee.
Insurance Scam Equation:
iPhone 3GS in-store retail (new) - $449
iPhone 3GS online retail (refurb) - from $300
12 months insurance (under 12 month factory warranty) - $84
iPhone deductible - $199
$199
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$283
$283 replacement with insurance.
$300 replacement without insurance.
So what's the deal here... or better yet, WHERE'S the deal? I'm saving a measly $17 dollars by paying monthly to AT&T for more headache than ever needed, especially when I can go buy one over the net with no headaches (next day shipping available) for the same price.... It would be more worth it if it was a NEW phone and not a refurb, but in almost all cases you're going to get a refurb. Sorry AT&T, I just don't get it. The only way this would ever be worth it is if I was to break my phone twice in 12 months, then I'd be saving a little more, but not enough to have any real meaning."
Also you can see the following:
http://9to5mac.com/2011/07/12/att-raises-iphone-device-tier-on-october-4th-perhaps-signaling-launch-date/
This may not be all AT&T either from what I'm reading. I wonder how much of it is Asurion Insurance. I for one will be ditching coverage on my phone and my wife's phone. We'll keep the lower insurance for the kids phones though!
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1st The replacement is not a refurb but a new device (Iphones).
2nd It is Asurion, as the current coverage is $11.99 through them.And the deductible is actually $199 already with Mobile Protect. So for the IPhone it is actually lowering in price , SIGNIFICANTLY!!
3rd the 12 month warranty does not cover Loss/Theft. Lose your phone 3 months after purchasing it. What options do you have??
Of course the 3g/3gs are bit tough due to then original cost BUT for the IPhone 4 it is better than $450 to do an Early Upgrade and that is only after 6 months from upgrading/activating.
4th You always have the option of finding your own coverage through a 3rd party not affiliated with Asurion and AT&T (i.e State farm or Square Trade.)
BTW The insurance monthly rate will be $6.99 for all devices starting Oct. 1st. same $50 deductile for basic devices, $125 for advanced devices and $199 for IPhones.
Not to ruffle feathers of any kind but just wanted to clarify this.
Hey, does this count as a material change to the contract? i.e. get out of contract free?
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BTW The insurance monthly rate will be $6.99 for all devices starting Oct. 1st. same $50 deductile for basic devices, $125 for advanced devices and $199 for IPhones.
Not to ruffle feathers of any kind but just wanted to clarify this.
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I just got off the phone with AT&T Enterprise. The date for insurance change is October 4th, not October 1st. Also, this will not be limited to the iPhone regarding the tier change. The AT&T system does not yet show which phones will change to tier 3, but this information will be available on or before October 4th. So, it could be very likely the Atrix along with other smartphones will be added to the new tier.
http://mobileprotectionpack.att.com/pricing-enrollment.html
Also not trying to ruffle feathers.............just clarifying on an incorrect clarification!
Instead of the "insurance fraud route" *rolls eyes*
It would probably be much better to look into something like Squaretrade. They constantly float 30% discounts around.
Current code today is SUMMER ... (Max discount $30 per warranty)
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I thought without insurance to cost to replace a phone is the full non-contract price. If so, that $283 vs $300 comparison is incorrect.
I will be upgrading and renewing on an AT&T 2 year family contract.
AT&T charge $199 plus $40 upgrade fee.
Best Buy and Costco charge $99 plus the same upgrade fee.
Is there any reason to waste an extra $100 doing this with AT&T?
AT&T Sales support told me there is no difference except in insurance coverage which I wont be taking out.
All warranty issues will be handled by AT&T tech support regardless of where the deal was done.
AT&T said today when I asked them about the $100 price difference "ATT focuses on being a service provider, so our prices aren't always optimum, since we're not a device retailer or manufacturer. I always advise doing what's best consumer wise"
I buy all my phones from best buy and they're great. I don't get insurance either but their insurance plan is better too. Also once you get a phone there they give you a $50 per year credit every year for each of your phone lines.
I always get my phones from best buy. They always have much better deals. I actually did the At&t next through best buy and received a $100 gift card which was a WIN!!! There aren't real disadvantages of going to best buy over the company store honestly. So i'd say save your money and grab it from BB.
Between those two I'd go with BB as well due to their lower price and incentives. Hey, the phone was $99 plus a $50 GC when it launched - can't beat that! I've purchased from Costco as well. They usually have decent prices, and if needed they have a special package for Square Trade as well. Deductible used to be $25 on their member plan, but might be $50 now.
I will never shop at Best Buy unless I absolutely have to. More than once they've sold me something as "new" which clearly had been an opened and used product. I've read quite a bit of other people having the same experiences.
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I really want to get the Note 4 but the price is too high for me at the moment, the current price is $299.99 pretty much everywhere. Best Buy has been dropping it to $249.99 but I still find it a bit high. I'm with AT&T and they usually are slow with deals. How long do you think the wait will be for a set price of $249.99? Not that I want to pay that, but I'd expect some store to go to $199.99 for at least a few days. It's not that I don't have the money to pay for the phone, it's just that I don't want to pay that much for it.
I'll be keeping my phone for 2 years, so I want to buy it at a reasonable price for me not to feel bad of when I purchased it... I bought the Galaxy S3 two years ago and about a month later the S4 was announced and the S3 price was dropped and I could have gotten the S4.
Any input?
299.99$ and you're still complaining? It's two and a half times cheaper than in Europe!!!
$299.99 for a 2 year contract, I think you're talking about the phone unlocked.
That's right. But in your OP there's no single word about contract.
youre going to spend $1400 over the life of the contract for the phone and youre cribbing about $50 ? really ?
Just buy it for $900 like the rest of us and save yourself $500.
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youre going to spend $1400 over the life of the contract for the phone and youre cribbing about $50 ? really ?
Just buy it for $900 like the rest of us and save yourself $500.
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What?
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That's right. But in your OP there's no single word about contract.
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Then again, there is no way I'd find an unlocked phone for $299.99...
Not a hard one, but you're out of country so you might of not known about the options.
you do understamd they charge a huge markup on the contract phone price, right ?
Your $200 note is actually $1400 or more on a 2 year contract or $900 unlocked today.
lol
I bought one 2 days ago on kijiji for 460$ Canadian use for 1 day, reason i got it so low is i managed to convince the guy that root voids the warranty and so i got it at that price with no contract
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Not a hard one, but you're out of country so you might of not known about the options.
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You are out of country. Not me
zurkx said:
you do understamd they charge a huge markup on the contract phone price, right ?
Your $200 note is actually $1400 or more on a 2 year contract or $900 unlocked today.
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What are you talking about.
I pay the $299.99 and taxes and that's it. Not hard to figure out. When I got my S3 I only spent the $199.99 plus tax and that was it. I didn't spend more on it...
what about the extra you pay every month during the 2 year contract ?
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What are you talking about.
I pay the $299.99 and taxes and that's it. Not hard to figure out. When I got my S3 I only spent the $199.99 plus tax and that was it. I didn't spend more on it...
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He's talking about the price of your contracted plan per month compared to what other providers might have. Let's assume you are paying $80 for your service....while same service can be had for $50 elsewhere... you are paying $30 more a month x 24 = $720 + the $300 you spend initially + tax.
It's theoretical... no one knows what you're paying monthly on contract.
I was paying $250 for 6 lines on AT&T... that was my contract price... I could upgrade all 6 lines on contract and get phones etc.
I switched to T-mobile and pay $120 a month. The savings was substantial and not every line need a smartphone or an upgrade. I can get new phones on installment and pay $0 down. and still cost would be less than AT&T.
It's different for everyone. You might have a cheap grandfathered plan..who knows.
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He's talking about the price of your contracted plan per month compared to what other providers might have. Let's assume you are paying $80 for your service....while same service can be had for $50 elsewhere... you are paying $30 more a month x 24 = $720 + the $300 you spend initially + tax.
It's theoretical... no one knows what you're paying monthly on contract.
I was paying $250 for 6 lines on AT&T... that was my contract price... I could upgrade all 6 lines on contract and get phones etc.
I switched to T-mobile and pay $120 a month. The savings was substantial and not every line need a smartphone or an upgrade. I can get new phones on installment and pay $0 down. and still cost would be less than AT&T.
It's different for everyone. You might have a cheap grandfathered plan..who knows.
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He mentioned a "huge markup" on the phone. That was what I read and he said. Of course we have to pay for our service, for me, I am in a family plan with no actual contract for our service.
I was simply wondering about the price of a 2 year contract on the Note 4, I figured the $299.99 price would be more than a hint that I am interested in contract prices.
Now I have no choice though. Just this morning I was in the restroom and as soon as I was about to do #1, I got a notification and picked up my phone and dropped it in the bowl, luckily it was "clean" water but now I have no sound on my phone, can't watch Youtube videos, can't use the camera and there is a red light that literally doesn't go away, even if the phone is off... Trying the rice method but don't think it'll work.
Note 4 here I come I guess.
do you seriously think youre going to get a $900 phone for $300 without getting into a plan with substantial markup over 2 years ?
they are going to loan you the $600 at 50% interest for 2 years. then youre going to pay for the voice/data/network access on top of that.
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do you seriously think youre going to get a $900 phone for $300 without getting into a plan with substantial markup over 2 years ?
they are going to loan you the $600 at 50% interest for 2 years. then youre going to pay for the voice/data/network access on top of that.
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I'm done. I don't believe you understand how it works here or you might not get what I am saying.
I found out that Best Buy has a price adjustment policy so I'll take advantage of that, I'll be getting it next week and hopefully the price drops for a day or so, if not, oh well.
$299.99 plus tax, that's it, for the phone.
its simple arithmetic. they arent going to sell you a $900 phone for $300.
you pay every month for the cost of the phone with markup and you pay for the plan on top of that. not sure what else is there to understand. at&t is a business like any other carrier. they arent in it for charity. just because they bake it into other places on your bill like access charges doesnt mean the phone only costs $300.
I guess it'll work just like it does here. You simply pay the cost of the phone (£0.00 in the UK), then you pay the rest with your monthly payment to the carrier (The actual minutes /texts /data are irrelevant as they have to provide them and 99% of companies offer unlimited everything now anyway barring data).
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its simple arithmetic. they arent going to sell you a $900 phone for $300.
you pay every month for the cost of the phone with markup and you pay for the plan on top of that. not sure what else is there to understand. at&t is a business like any other carrier. they arent in it for charity. just because they bake it into other places on your bill like access charges doesnt mean the phone only costs $300.
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In the US, regardless of whether your phone is unlocked or on contract, the amount you pay for a phone/text/data plan is the same.
Plans have just been recently introduced (AT&T Next, Verizon Edge, etc) where you owe nothing up front for the device and pay extra on your monthly payment to pay for the phone, but you wind up paying more in the long run than you would have if you'd just shelled out the cash up front for a 2-year plan.
Cell phones are subsidized here if you lock into a 2-year mobile contract and pay anywhere from $50-$400 up front depending on the phone.
OP, along with me, just cares about when the expected price drop will be. Was anyone around or paying attention when, approximately, the Note 3 dropped in price for those in contract? Instead of talking about how awesome off-contract is or correcting the poor fella, a proper response would be, "Yeah, man, I recall after the Mobile World Congress last year, the Note 3 dropped to $200 on-contract." Or, "The Note 3 is still $300, give it up, it will never go down."
I'm an unhappy AT&T S5 (grandfathered "unlimited" data plan) owner and am going off-contract once this one is up. My girlfriend wants the Note 4 and her grandma pays her cell phone bill so all we care about is the up-front cost. She is eligible to get a new phone in a month and we'd like to plan around that. Many of you fine folks are ridiculously resourceful and your prior experience can help us plan around that.