Togari = Nexus Phablet - Xperia Z General

This is more of a discussion starter than a question. I recently switched from the Galaxy Nexus to the Note II. I love the size, but I desperately miss the beauty and compatibility my nexus had with AOSP. It just isn't there with the Note II development. Consequently, I'm REALLY rooting for T-Mobile to get the Togari Phablet when it is released.
From my understanding, Sony devices are pretty dang close to nexus devices with the code they release. Ergo, this may be the closest we can get to a nexus phablet for quite some time. I do expect Google to eventually split the nexus phone line into a phablet and more traditional size phone, but that could be a year or two away.

Poke_N_PDA said:
This is more of a discussion starter than a question. I recently switched from the Galaxy Nexus to the Note II. I love the size, but I desperately miss the beauty and compatibility my nexus had with AOSP. It just isn't there with the Note II development. Consequently, I'm REALLY rooting for T-Mobile to get the Togari Phablet when it is released.
From my understanding, Sony devices are pretty dang close to nexus devices with the code they release. Ergo, this may be the closest we can get to a nexus phablet for quite some time. I do expect Google to eventually split the nexus phone line into a phablet and more traditional size phone, but that could be a year or two away.
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I don't see any reason to wait if Carrier X will carry Device Y.
When the device is released, just go and buy it. Carrier branded devices are inferior and very expensive since there is a contract involved or an installment plan in the case of T-Mobile.
So just buy the Togari when it is released. To me, it is downright funny with all those people that asks "will Carrier X sell this device?" or "I hope that carrier X will bring this device in". To me, being dependent on a carrier is just an abnormal behavior. If an interesting device is released somewhere in the world, I just buy it provided that it works with my SIM card.
I look forward to the Togari and if it is really good, I will consider selling the Xperia Z in order to get it.

E90 Commie said:
I don't see any reason to wait if Carrier X will carry Device Y.
When the device is released, just go and buy it. Carrier branded devices are inferior and very expensive since there is a contract involved or an installment plan in the case of T-Mobile.
So just buy the Togari when it is released. To me, it is downright funny with all those people that asks "will Carrier X sell this device?" or "I hope that carrier X will bring this device in". To me, being dependent on a carrier is just an abnormal behavior. If an interesting device is released somewhere in the world, I just buy it provided that it works with my SIM card.
I look forward to the Togari and if it is really good, I will consider selling the Xperia Z in order to get it.
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I feel you. I don't care about if it's got T-Mobile's logo. I just want the frequencies to be right to get decent data speeds. I bought the AT&T Note 2 instead of the T-Mobile because the Wireless Charging pins worked on AT&Ts.
For the frequencies to work, I think we'll likely need to see an official T-Mobile release. US Unlocked versions are becoming more popular, but they are still limited. Given the variety of the major four carriers, how only two are GSM, and those two use mostly different freqs for data, It's hard to "Just go buy the phone" as you state.

I don´t think it is hard to buy a phone outright today. The Xperia Z C6602 offers pentaband and works perfect on both AT&T and T-Mobile. There´s no need for a T-Mobile branded device - all it takes is pentaband.
I know the carrier mess in the country but there are many options and since I am used to the way the system works in the EU, I apply the same standards here. I have owned two carrier branded device in my life and won´t allow a third one to enter. My experience with the Vodafone K700i and Verizon Thunderbolt has put me off.
I am pretty sure that Togari will arrive with pentaband since Xperia Z offers it.
When it comes LTE, it is a no go to me as long as it is connected with carrier branding and a lack of compatibility between EU/US frequencies. The lack of VoLTE is another dealbreaker. I will get it when there is a VoLTE device that is unlocked and works on both sides of the Atlantic ocean. Until that happens, I will use HSPA+ on unlocked pentaband products.

I wrote this in another comment on branded devices:
Use a credit card instead but even better, do the simple math:
Carrier branded device: $99 down payment (depends on the credit rating).
Monthly bill: (Unlimited data) $70 per month
Taxes and fees: $10-20 per month
Monthly installment: $20 per month
Total monthly cost: $100-110 (depending on the regulatory taxes and fees)
Total cost for the device (provided that 24 months of installment is selected):
$99 + $100-110/month x 24 = $2499-2740 (depending on the taxes).
You can trim this by buying it outright and put T-Mobile prepaid on.
Then we have the method I always use:
Unlocked Xperia Z: $599
Monthly cost: $30-49 per month (T-Mobile prepaid $30 plan, Straight Talk (T-Mobile) or Solavei (T-Mobile)
Taxes and fees: $0
Monthly installment: $0
Total monthly cost: $30-49
Total cost during 24 months: $1319-1775
Savings: $965-1180
Don't tell me that a carrier branded device is "cheaper" than the unbranded, unlocked version and please don't complain about device costs when you are ready to sign away $2499-2740 when the alternative saves you approximately $1000.
I don't get people that complain about buying a device unlocked when they are ready sign away a huge amount of money. The same people seem to understand that computers don't cost $99 and then $100 in Internet Service or that TV sets are $199 paired with minimum cable package of $75. They can buy a computer for $699 or a TV set for $699 without complaining. But when it comes to a smartphone, it is a lot of moan and gritting teeth when the price tag says $599 so they prefer to pay $2499 for it instead since they are forced to sign a contract.
T-Mobile don't do contracts any more, I know that perfectly well but the fact remains: a T-Mobile branded device with 24 months of installments paired with service cost a lot more than the unlocked edition.
To me, $2499 and more is way too expensive for a smartphone so I always opt for the cheap route and buy it unlocked. I got a superior device, no carrier bloatware at all, no carrier branding at all, updates straight from the manufacturer, unlockable bootloader (for the Xperia Z) and everything the way Sony intended.
So buying a T-Mobile Xperia Z and truly believing that it is "cheaper" is a less optimum action. But it is obviously not my money, those that want to give $1000+ to a carrier are free to do so. We live in a free world.
But they should not even try to claim that those extra $1000 somehow is a "cheaper" deal. It is like claiming that $10 is more than $20 ($20 is 5 + 1 x 15 in this case).
I prefer to have $1000 in my wallet rather than giving them to a carrier and then "enjoying" branding, bloatware and locked bootloaders.
As I wrote, I wonder how people can buy a new computer, a car, a TV etc without subsidies but when it comes to a phone, then it is disaster to pay $599 and a cheap monthly plan when you can pay $1000 more just in order to think that "I paid only $99 for the device, it is cheaper than $599!"

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I don't see any reason to wait if Carrier X will carry Device Y.
When the device is released, just go and buy it. Carrier branded devices are inferior and very expensive since there is a contract involved or an installment plan in the case of T-Mobile.
So just buy the Togari when it is released. To me, it is downright funny with all those people that asks "will Carrier X sell this device?" or "I hope that carrier X will bring this device in". To me, being dependent on a carrier is just an abnormal behavior. If an interesting device is released somewhere in the world, I just buy it provided that it works with my SIM card.
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Whenever I return to the US I'm always astounded at how the carriers can ruin a phone - all the way back to the original Moto Razrs... It makes me feel sorry for the majority US phone customers who accept what the carriers give them actually have no idea what the phone manufacturer intended with the device.

colacin said:
Whenever I return to the US I'm always astounded at how the carriers can ruin a phone - all the way back to the original Moto Razrs... It makes me feel sorry for the majority US phone customers who accept what the carriers give them actually have no idea what the phone manufacturer intended with the device.
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At least now on T-Mobile we can get plans where we aren't losing money by bringing our own phone. That can't be said for the other carriers meaning there is a significant added cost to buying unlocked handsets (higher monthly rates caused by subsidy payback). Additionally, if we want working HSPA+ and LTE (3G/4G), 95% of the time we can't use unlocked handsets or at least can't use them to the network's fullest potential.
For instance, the C6602 Xperia Z doesn't work perfectly. Here are the frequencies.
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 and HSPA Bands 850/1900/2100
AT&T uses 1900 for HSPA+, but T-Mobile is actively refarming this frequency and it's coverage for it is low. It's main HSPA+ is on AWS 1700/2100 which doesn't work on this phone. Meanwhile, it lacks LTE all together. Additionally, the C6603 that does have LTE doesn't work on either AT&T or T-Mobile's bands.
With a few exceptions (like the Nexus 4), unlocked devices aren't made for the US because of the carrier lock down and subsidization business model. However that does look to be changing. We are starting to get unlocked US devices (the HTC one for example). However, it's a slow process. So my point is, it's not simple at all. If it was, I would be doing it.

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With a few exceptions (like the Nexus 4), unlocked devices aren't made for the US because of the carrier lock down and subsidization business model. However that does look to be changing. We are starting to get unlocked US devices (the HTC one for example). However, it's a slow process. So my point is, it's not simple at all. If it was, I would be doing it.
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Well, the devices themselves would work fine if given a chance to- it's the carriers who are the problems. After being in Singapore for such a long time where carriers are prohibited from selling locked handsets, visiting the US makes the whole system there seem a bit archaic.
I don't really know how the carriers here do it, since the cost of the phone (to the consumer) is about the same, and the monthly plan is usually cheaper.

colacin said:
Well, the devices themselves would work fine if given a chance to- it's the carriers who are the problems. After being in Singapore for such a long time where carriers are prohibited from selling locked handsets, visiting the US makes the whole system there seem a bit archaic.
I don't really know how the carriers here do it, since the cost of the phone (to the consumer) is about the same, and the monthly plan is usually cheaper.
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yeah. I'm just REALLY hoping T-Mobile's plans catch on so the other carriers adopt it. If that happens, prices will drop like crazy, just like it did for tablets. If you are an American consumer who wants change in the mobile industry, the best thing you can do right now is switch to T-Mobile.

Poke_N_PDA said:
At least now on T-Mobile we can get plans where we aren't losing money by bringing our own phone. That can't be said for the other carriers meaning there is a significant added cost to buying unlocked handsets (higher monthly rates caused by subsidy payback). Additionally, if we want working HSPA+ and LTE (3G/4G), 95% of the time we can't use unlocked handsets or at least can't use them to the network's fullest potential.
For instance, the C6602 Xperia Z doesn't work perfectly. Here are the frequencies.
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 and HSPA Bands 850/1900/2100
AT&T uses 1900 for HSPA+, but T-Mobile is actively refarming this frequency and it's coverage for it is low. It's main HSPA+ is on AWS 1700/2100 which doesn't work on this phone. Meanwhile, it lacks LTE all together. Additionally, the C6603 that does have LTE doesn't work on either AT&T or T-Mobile's bands.
With a few exceptions (like the Nexus 4), unlocked devices aren't made for the US because of the carrier lock down and subsidization business model. However that does look to be changing. We are starting to get unlocked US devices (the HTC one for example). However, it's a slow process. So my point is, it's not simple at all. If it was, I would be doing it.
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The specifications for the C6602 says (taken from GSM Arena):
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - C6602
The Xperia C 6602 is fully capable of working on T-Mobile even in non-refarmed areas. I tried a SpeedTest on that carrier with my C6602 and got decent speeds.
Then I don't see the point of having LTE in the US just yet. To me, it is only useful if the data plan includes 10 GB or more. 2 GB of LTE data is just not interesting at all since no high quality streaming can be used, especially not if there is a desire to be able to browse the Internet etc.
To me, the most logical option in the US is to buy an unlocked phone and put a prepaid card in since the postpaid plans are just ridiculous. $100 per month for a basic plan is just insane but is the result of the carrier pretending to be a manufacturer (altering devices, buying a huge batch of them, support, recovery of subsidies etc). It is very naive when people believe that it is the "quality" that cost extra. No, it is not the quality but a disastrous business model.
To me, there's no doubt that having a postpaid contract in the US is just a waste of money when an unlocked, unbranded device with a prepaid card offers a superior deal. My experience of postpaid is simply that not even Verizon can be compared with a carrier like 3 in Sweden. When the monthly bill is included in the judgment, it is evident that prepaid and unlocked is the way to go.
For those that are using T-Mobile, their prepaid plans or one of the MVNOs (Straight Talk, Solavei) offers a better deal - especially with an unlocked, unbranded device.
It has been easy for me to ditch the contract and switch over to the unlocked, prepaid route but I am used to that model from Europe. Even if the market conditions in the US is very bad, there are still solutions available so the reasons to stick to postpaid are very limited. And no, 2 GB of LTE data doesn't change that.
I would even say that I rather use EDGE on an unlocked phone rather than LTE with a carrier branded one. To me, branding and $100 monthly bills are such a huge drawback that 2 GB of LTE data just can't compensate. On the same way I rather use a decent computer on a slow Internet connection than an inferior one on a fast connection.
Fortunately, it is possible to get perfectly good HSPA+ data from the MVNOs.

Poke_N_PDA said:
At least now on T-Mobile we can get plans where we aren't losing money by bringing our own phone. That can't be said for the other carriers meaning there is a significant added cost to buying unlocked handsets (higher monthly rates caused by subsidy payback). Additionally, if we want working HSPA+ and LTE (3G/4G), 95% of the time we can't use unlocked handsets or at least can't use them to the network's fullest potential.
For instance, the C6602 Xperia Z doesn't work perfectly. Here are the frequencies.
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 and HSPA Bands 850/1900/2100
AT&T uses 1900 for HSPA+, but T-Mobile is actively refarming this frequency and it's coverage for it is low. It's main HSPA+ is on AWS 1700/2100 which doesn't work on this phone. Meanwhile, it lacks LTE all together. Additionally, the C6603 that does have LTE doesn't work on either AT&T or T-Mobile's bands.
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Yeah as noted above me that is incorrect info. The C6602 works just fine on T-Mobile HSPA+
C6602
UMTS HSPA+ 850 (Band V), 900 (Band VIII), 1700 (Band IV), 1900 (Band II), 2100 (Band I) MHz
GSM GPRS/EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
But the C6606 is coming soon and will be exclusive.
As for the Togari Sep/Oct US release unlocked.

Is "Togari" just an internal codename or has Sony run out of letters?

23Six said:
Is "Togari" just an internal codename or has Sony run out of letters?
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Internal code name

Spectre51 said:
Yeah as noted above me that is incorrect info. The C6602 works just fine on T-Mobile HSPA+
C6602
UMTS HSPA+ 850 (Band V), 900 (Band VIII), 1700 (Band IV), 1900 (Band II), 2100 (Band I) MHz
GSM GPRS/EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
But the C6606 is coming soon and will be exclusive.
As for the Togari Sep/Oct US release unlocked.
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Well, I cut and pasted that info from Amazon.com. So it's only as accurate as that. Good to know Sony is one of the few who offer proper freqs.
Hopefully though T-Mobile's open nature will increase our unlocked offerings. Specifically, I bet the Motorola X will be available. Also, if the Xperia Z is I bet the Togari will be too.

So, back to point of the thread, do people agree that Sony devices work about as well as nexus devices for AOSP roms?

Related

Sony Ericsson Xperia(TM) X1 Available in U.S. 28th of November

Hot off the press: http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/11-12-2008/0004923677&EDATE=
dont get too excited yet!
remember the launch date for uk? 9/30/2008? haha
by the time this X1 is out in USA, it already 2009!
Unlocked = crippled!
Sure....an $800 unlocked phone for the US that will only fully work with a single carrier...riiiiight.
Could Sony Ericsson have possible botched the Xperia any more than they have??
Any bets on the date that SE announces they're withdrawing the Xperia from the US market?
Be seeing you,
The Duck
You ever wonder why people complain that Europe and Japan get all of the "cool" phones and the U.S. doesn't? It's because the way our 3G network is setup. Everyone has different frequencies, and it's almost impossible to make a chip to carry all of them. Europe has a bunch of different carriers that use the same 3G frequencies, which is why it's easier to roll out the phones there. Helps the consumer, helps the carrier, helps the manufacturer.
So when some manufacturer DOES decide to bring a phone to the U.S., you lambaste them because of it's high unlocked price, even though all unlocked phones are expensive. (I was in best buy today and they're selling the N95-4 for $750 still!). Guess what, the X1i is free on contract in Europe. It would be free here too if our 3G network weren't so backwards.
So basically, all these manufacturers are producing 3G phones for the U.S. and they know fully well it only works on AT&T. That's why they only make a few phones compatible - it's not economical to bring them over just to work with one carrier.
dinan said:
You ever wonder why people complain that Europe and Japan get all of the "cool" phones and the U.S. doesn't? It's because the way our 3G network is setup. Everyone has different frequencies, and it's almost impossible to make a chip to carry all of them. Europe has a bunch of different carriers that use the same 3G frequencies, which is why it's easier to roll out the phones there. Helps the consumer, helps the carrier, helps the manufacturer.
So when some manufacturer DOES decide to bring a phone to the U.S., you lambaste them because of it's high unlocked price, even though all unlocked phones are expensive. (I was in best buy today and they're selling the N95-4 for $750 still!). Guess what, the X1i is free on contract in Europe. It would be free here too if our 3G network weren't so backwards.
So basically, all these manufacturers are producing 3G phones for the U.S. and they know fully well it only works on AT&T. That's why they only make a few phones compatible - it's not economical to bring them over just to work with one carrier.
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You're right that the US frequency mish mash is a mess....but don't think for a minute that phones can't include multiple frequencies and that the carriers are innocent! Verizon, for example, recently insisted that a mfr modify their phone to remove frequencies that would allow the phone to work on T-mobile's network (I forget the phone....a blackberry, I think). Who decides that a quad band phone should be released in the US as triband or dual band? The phone mfr...nah.
As microsoft said the other day....US carriers don't want to be considered "dumb pipes"; i.e., providing generic access to cell frequencies for customers to use any phone with at reasonable rates! It's the carriers that block phones from tethering unless extra fees are paid to do what the phone can do using the cell networks....its the carriers that create goofy MediaNet type "services" to extract extra fees for doing what the net provides on the unadulterated phones! Its reminiscent of when AOL made users think they were part of some special club that was better than the new fangled internet....even by rebranding a limited access to the net as their own service!
Ah well....I rant and I vent....and I still pay crazy high phone bills.
Bill Gates himself once said that we'd one day look back and view paying for telephone services based on time and distance as "quaint". Within a country we're clearly there (ever watch an old movie and see people run to the phone when a "long distance" call came through?...too funny). But we're not there currently internationally! One day we'll look back at Orange being able to offer a phone for free on contract compared with AT&T being able to charge $299 or even blackmail the mfr into not making a deal, forcing them to sell a phone (a few of them, anyway) for $800 as quaint.
I can't wait for the arrival of international voice and data packages that would allow customers to choose Orange or AT&T or whomever we want to give our monthly money to without being forced to accept bloated software crippled phones!!
Ahh...ok...NOW rant over.
Be seeing you,
The Duck
p.s. - the carrier greed doesn't excuse Sony for this goofyness! If they wanted to sell an unblocked phone they could have made it compatible with more networks than AT&T. It looks like they screwed up and built a phone that was only suitable for AT&T without locking up a contract with AT&T. The carrier probably used the position of strength to extract more than SE's ego would accept....but the phrase "cutting off your nose to spite your face" comes to mind. Bad SE lawyers + greedy AT&T = bye bye Xperia.
TheDuck said:
Sure....an $800 unlocked phone for the US that will only fully work with a single carrier...riiiiight.
Could Sony Ericsson have possible botched the Xperia any more than they have??
Any bets on the date that SE announces they're withdrawing the Xperia from the US market?
Be seeing you,
The Duck
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if you have to complains, u cant afford it!
did u also complain about HTC diamond selling for 699$ at bestbuy? haha
well, i bought diamond at bestbuy for 699+tax=748$, i know i can get it cheaper online, but i just hate waiting!

Why don't quad-band phones also support international UMTS/3G frequency bands?

I'm trying to buy an Android phone that would support AT&T's 3G in North America, but for some reason they all only support T-Mobile's 3G frequencies. What's up?
So pretty much every smartphone nowadays is quad-band, GSM 850/900/1800/1900, and works pretty much anywhere in the world.
Why don't phones also support international 3G frequencies: 850/1900 as well as 900, 1700 and 2100 Mhz?
That should be a rule in all modern devices
100% all communication in all the world!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad-band#3G
if you look at the population in the various places
and add the extra cost it seems to currently offer
feature you request it would most likely
not be worth it for htc and other manufacturers
but maybe in time as first we had dualband phones then triband and now quadband 2g
of cause with 4g starting to take off some places maybe it will be absolute before
universal 3g chips get cheap enough
How do the current business travelers manage?
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That should be a rule in all modern devices
100% all communication in all the world!
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The area lot of business people who travel all over the world. How do they manage data access? Do they carry more than one phone all the time?
but as I state the only large user groups of 850 3g is in america
like CDMA is also only supported there
it all comes down to if the inc in cost is enough to justify the inc in
revenue
business people from the rest of the world don't have those issues
people here have also been requesting htc phones which does both cmda and gsm
it' all about GREED!
do you know how many channels your radio or TV receives?
those HTC fools just discriminate against USA users! (my opinion)
Q
I would really like to know how much "more" its going to cost to make a quadband, and 5 band UMTS phone. . . . .
think only qualcomm can answer that question
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think only qualcomm can answer that question
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it doesnt matter how much! i'm sure qualcomm 1G snapdragon cpu is more expensive than 528mzh cpu, that doesnt stop toshiba or Acer from using it!
it' all about GREED!
htc wants to make it with the cheapst parts, and sell it at the highest price possible! (my opinion)
well yes
even if greed is a negative word for the general capitalism which drive all these company's
it's not like htc are the only ones on that ship :S
Quad band UMTS are rare indeed. Blackberry and Apple have them. Nokia has a quint band unit coming out in about 3 weeks, N8-00 (I have one on pre-order).
The Galaxy S Captivate is a tri band unit that will work in most of the world. It is missing the 900 MHz band. I can't recommend it because GPS is broken while awaiting a software patch and AT&T refuses to unlock the sim for 10 months. There is no known way to unlock the phone at the present time.
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it doesnt matter how much! i'm sure qualcomm 1G snapdragon cpu is more expensive than 528mzh cpu, that doesnt stop toshiba or Acer from using it!
it' all about GREED!
htc wants to make it with the cheapst parts, and sell it at the highest price possible! (my opinion)
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Don't be so hard on the manufacturers (please, note that HTC isn't the only phone manufacturer in the world...) AT&T only just started selling Android phones. Why would Android phone manufacturers make a phone that supports AT&T bands if AT&T won't support them in return? With the delays in so many phone shipments, I'm sure the companies don't need that much more business than they already have. Now that AT&T has decided to play ball, however, I'm sure there'll be a reciprocal increase in the number of Android phones with AT&T 3G bands
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Quad band UMTS are rare indeed. Blackberry and Apple have them. Nokia has a quint band unit coming out in about 3 weeks, N8-00 (I have one on pre-order).
The Galaxy S Captivate is a tri band unit that will work in most of the world. It is missing the 900 MHz band. I can't recommend it because GPS is broken while awaiting a software patch and AT&T refuses to unlock the sim for 10 months. There is no known way to unlock the phone at the present time.
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You can buy an unlock code for like $25 .

HD2 on AT&T

Let's just get this thread started, so we don't have to go searching thru various threads and sites to find out any possible news regarding the HD2 coming to AT&T in the US. This is the basis of this new thread:
grandpanda said:
Somebody reported that he handled a prototype HD2 for ATT-USA. It is scheduled for early 2010 release... I am trying to squeeze more info from him.
Just take it for what it's worth though.
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Grandpanda- my butt is falling asleep! I'm on the edge of my seat, waiting word of this possibility. I was shocked to see the text HD2 and att in the same sentence. Please let us know as soon as you hear anything.
I'm Not Shure what Grandpanda hear but I'm very Interesting to know if the HD2 come to AT&T.
Where would this unit fit in their lineup with the Diamond2 on the lower end & the iPhone on the higher end? Don't get me wrong, I'd be very interested to see this phone come to AT&T, but I'm not sure how they'd manage it...
t-readyroc said:
Where would this unit fit in their lineup with the Diamond2 on the lower end & the iPhone on the higher end? Don't get me wrong, I'd be very interested to see this phone come to AT&T, but I'm not sure how they'd manage it...
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They better find a way to manage it- or they will end up losing a lot of customers that would like the iphone experience with the flexibility of Windows Mobile. I would suspect that could cost them millions of dollars in lost 2-year contracts if Sprint, Verizon, or T-Mobile releases the HD2. What good is it to remain loyal to the iphone while hundreds of loyal customers get fed up I leave. They were already the last one's to release the Touch Pro 2. It's time to take care of the WM users who want the the high-end phones, or they will go elsewhere to escape the iphone prison they are trapped in.
Where it fits in the lineup might be directly related to when their iphone exclusivity ends. I believe it's sometime next year, but I haven't seen a specific date. The other question would be what does the next gen iphone look like relative to the HD2. One thing going for the iphone is it's apparent ease of use, at the expense of flexibility, for the average consumer. It's brought a lot of people into the smartphone ranks and has certainly driven data revenue for ATT. It will be interesting to see what direction Apple takes with the iphone as more and more handsets come to market with similar features and better flexibility.
I use an iphone now, but can't wait to get my hands on an HD2 with ATT 3g, either through them or one brought in from Australia when it launches there.
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Where it fits in the lineup might be directly related to when their iphone exclusivity ends. I believe it's sometime next year, but I haven't seen a specific date. The other question would be what does the next gen iphone look like relative to the HD2. One thing going for the iphone is it's apparent ease of use, at the expense of flexibility, for the average consumer. It's brought a lot of people into the smartphone ranks and has certainly driven data revenue for ATT. It will be interesting to see what direction Apple takes with the iphone as more and more handsets come to market with similar features and better flexibility.
I use an iphone now, but can't wait to get my hands on an HD2 with ATT 3g, either through them or one brought in from Australia when it launches there.
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Is good idea but the 3G band don't work in AT&T HSDPA network,just can connect using EDGE 12 not bad.
mojohio said:
They better find a way to manage it- or they will end up losing a lot of customers that would like the iphone experience with the flexibility of Windows Mobile. I would suspect that could cost them millions of dollars in lost 2-year contracts if Sprint, Verizon, or T-Mobile releases the HD2.
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I couldn't agree w/you more. I'm actually almost already there with the Droid going to Verizon.
bugsy said:
Where it fits in the lineup might be directly related to when their iphone exclusivity ends. I believe it's sometime next year, but I haven't seen a specific date.
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I think you're right on with this assessment.
wonsanim said:
Is good idea but the 3G band don't work in AT&T HSDPA network,just can connect using EDGE 12 not bad.
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You are correct with the current version, but I was referring to if an ATT version is released. I think we can also expect to see a version in Australia if we go by the previous HD release. If that is the case it would have the 850Mhz band which is compatible with ATT.
edited - had the wrong phone
hey bugsy this is a very good idea
bugsy said:
You are correct with the current version, but I was referring to if an ATT version is released. I think we can also expect to see a version in Australia if we go by the previous HD release. If that is the case it would have the 850Mhz band which is compatible with ATT.
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http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
Lets hope this is true
HTC HD2 US (HTC Leo) Specs
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1900
I really hope ATT gets this in a reasonable amount of time. My TP2 is falling apart
However I would be willing to import the Aussie version is it will be compatible.
Alaxar said:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
Lets hope this is true
HTC HD2 US (HTC Leo) Specs
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1900
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+1 = Lets hope that is true. I would spend the extra money and purchse the unlocked one, which would allow us not to have to be held prisoners while other companies release this phone and att chooses not to because of their affinity with the iphone. My question is.....withe the specs of the bands for this particular phone, which carriers would it provide total support for all bands- both Edge and 3G. ATT? T-Mobile? Verizon? Sprint? Would HTC invest in releasing an unlocked HD2 to one of these carriers, but not eventually release a branded carrier-specific one in the near future? It seems like if they spent the time to create it, it would be released by the carrier it supports at a lower discounted price. Either way- just make one with full Att support, and I'll be picking one up the next day!
Alaxar said:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
Lets hope this is true
HTC HD2 US (HTC Leo) Specs
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1900
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Unfortunately, those are "Datasheet State: Preliminary specifications" which means pdadb has know idea till the specs are finalized...
mojohio said:
My question is.....withe the specs of the bands for this particular phone, which carriers would it provide total support for all bands- both Edge and 3G. ATT? T-Mobile? Verizon? Sprint?
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Sprint and Verizon are CDMA networks so the GSM versions of the phone from ATT / Tmobile would not be compatible.
I don't really care if AT&T actually carries the phone officially. I hope that it when it gets released it will just support the AT&T bands. I'm going unbranded if possible! Just want the 3G speed is all!
lantern20 said:
I don't really care if AT&T actually carries the phone officially. I hope that it when it gets released it will just support the AT&T bands. I'm going unbranded if possible! Just want the 3G speed is all!
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Ditto. If you think about it- an ipod Touch costs $450, then you by the HD2 to replace that, as well as serve as your phone. I won't have a problem convincing myself to buy the unbranded US 3G version, as long as it supports all AT&T bands.
If history is a predictor of future behavior, AT&T will be late to the game if it appears at all. Chances are likely that we will only see the 850 mhz 3g band on Telstra (AUS), as it did with the Touch HD with it's hiked up price tag nearing the $1k mark. I hope I'm wrong as I am praying it comes to AT&T as well.
If AT&T is the only carrier (which I doubt because T-Mobile is getting it from all indications) or GSM is only what this phone will do that will suck. I hope CDMA gets it because where I live AT&T and T-Mobile both don't cover our area.
I did send an email to HTC USA about the possibility of an unbranded/unlocked HD2 being produced for the US market and what carriers might be branding the phone for their networks. Not good news at this time but here was their response.
Hello XXXXX,
We thank you for the question about what carriers will have the HD2 in North America and if we are going to create an unlocked version of the HD2 that works on North American 3G networks. We will be more than happy to help you in this situation. Unfortunately we do not have any plans to launch an unlocked version of the HD2 in North America. If this stance changes it would be published as a news release on our American and Canadian websites. As for carriers picking up the device, it is up to them to get the device on their network and sell it. The carrier would be the place to ask in this situation as they usually brand the device as their own and sell it as their own. Anything on the internet that is not on a carriers website or our own can be considered rumor.

Is atrix on amazon unlocked?

Amazon says the atrix can be shipped to outside the US
Does it mean it is unlocked?
No contract price is $599
Is it the same one as the $499 in the ATT Store?
(some thread says ATT's no-contract price is 499 or 399?)
Thanks
i can't find no-contract atrix on amazon.
go to amazonwireless.com and go to the atrix. It has options on the left for Phone Only no contract. Which adds it to the cart for $599.99. Since it's labeled AT&T it is the same phone in the same AT&T box. This most likely means it is locked to AT&T at the moment.
Even if you buy instore then price will $550 anyways with tax and all.
interested to know as well
the phone is locked to at&t.
Does anyone know where I can get it unlock if I buy the phone outright.
i bought it online without contract from at&t store for 531 with taxes
was it unlocked tho (can use with another sim card)
AT&T probably won't sell it unlocked out of the box, this has been discussed in many threads. You'll have to get the unlock code from a seller(online) or call up AT&T and tell them you're going to a foreign country and need an unlock code(This has apparently worked great for previous phones).
Does the Atrix 4G support WCDMA 2100 MHz?
I am located in Germany and wanna buy Atrix 4G. My friend is coming from US in March end so I can ask him to bring it for him. I am just not sure if the Atrix 4G supports the 2100 Mhz WCDMA band.
The Motorola website mentions in its technical specifications for the Atrix 4G dat it supports WCDMA 2100 Mhz. hxxp://yyy.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/ci.Motorola-ATRIX-US-EN.alt
But the same cannot be confirmed in the AT&T website and in the other online vendors as Amazon. hxxp://wireless.amazon.com/dp/B004KZP4BQ
I really wanna have this phone. But I want to have the 3G/UMTS/HSPA working here.
Thanks and Regards
Anupam
[Note] Please pardon me for the hxxp thing .. the xda forum won't allow me to post links. Replace xx with tt and yyy with www
anupash said:
I am located in Germany and wanna buy Atrix 4G. My friend is coming from US in March end so I can ask him to bring it for him. I am just not sure if the Atrix 4G supports the 2100 Mhz WCDMA band.
The Motorola website mentions in its technical specifications for the Atrix 4G dat it supports WCDMA 2100 Mhz. hxxp://yyy.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/ci.Motorola-ATRIX-US-EN.alt
But the same cannot be confirmed in the AT&T website and in the other online vendors as Amazon. hxxp://wireless.amazon.com/dp/B004KZP4BQ
I really wanna have this phone. But I want to have the 3G/UMTS/HSPA working here.
Thanks and Regards
Anupam
[Note] Please pardon me for the hxxp thing .. the xda forum won't allow me to post links. Replace xx with tt and yyy with www
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i would like to know this too
I'm currently in Hong Kong and their 3G band is 2100mhz as well
GSMarena lists the Atrix 4G to have 3G 850/1900/2100
but on Walmart/Amazon it lists it only as 3G 850/1900
can anyone confirm?
if its truly a tri-band 3G phone, i would buy those phone outright from amazon right now
Thanks for any input!
Keep in mind that with an AT&T exclusive it will be monts before they offer an unlock. And even the unlocking services could not unlock the Samsung Captivate for months.
Firstly, does buying the no contract phone from Amazon, might still be not usable on other networks.
Secondly, I was digging on the AT&T website it offers a "no commitment pricing" of 499$. Should I still be worried because I wanna use the phone in Germany?
I have no idea how the US cellular plans work, so a bit of insight would be helpful.
anupash said:
Firstly, does buying the no contract phone from Amazon, might still be not usable on other networks.
Secondly, I was digging on the AT&T website it offers a "no commitment pricing" of 499$. Should I still be worried because I wanna use the phone in Germany?
I have no idea how the US cellular plans work, so a bit of insight would be helpful.
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Judging by what other people say $499 will get you the phone without any contract... you will not have to pay AT&T a monthly fee.
BUT! because this phone is currently exclusive to AT&T it will only work with their SIM cards until it is unlocked. This process took several months for the Samsung Captivate... so at the moment there is no way to guarantee that the phone you buy will be able to use your SIM card.

[Q] So confused with all the variants

Hi, I've been a S4 user and a very intrigued reader on this website. XDA has taught me many great things about my Sprint S4. I'm now ready to make the leap to the Note 4 and I'm so confused with all of the different models available.
Here's what I want the phone to do:
- I live in the US, and I would like to set up the phone on the Straight Talk or AT&T network and I obviously want to take advantage of the fastest speeds Straight Talk/AT&T offers.
- I am traveling to England in the Summer for a month and I would like the phone to work on one of their networks. (I would like to have 4G, but if 3G is the only compatible band than that's fine, as long as I'm getting some sort of data).
- I travel to Canada on a monthly basis and I would like my Note 4 to be able to run on the Rogers Network and utilize the fast speeds Rogers offers.
Basically, which Note 4 model will satisfy my needs? I just want to take advantage of the fastest bands available in these places. I've been leaning towards the N910H because my understanding is that it is compatible with all of my above requirements. Is this true? If not, which model should I be look at?
Thank you!
stevenrp said:
Hi, I've been a S4 user and a very intrigued reader on this website. XDA has taught me many great things about my Sprint S4. I'm now ready to make the leap to the Note 4 and I'm so confused with all of the different models available.
Here's what I want the phone to do:
- I live in the US, and I would like to set up the phone on the Straight Talk or AT&T network and I obviously want to take advantage of the fastest speeds Straight Talk/AT&T offers.
- I am traveling to England in the Summer for a month and I would like the phone to work on one of their networks. (I would like to have 4G, but if 3G is the only compatible band than that's fine, as long as I'm getting some sort of data).
- I travel to Canada on a monthly basis and I would like my Note 4 to be able to run on the Rogers Network and utilize the fast speeds Rogers offers.
Basically, which Note 4 model will satisfy my needs? I just want to take advantage of the fastest bands available in these places. I've been leaning towards the N910H because my understanding is that it is compatible with all of my above requirements. Is this true? If not, which model should I be look at?
Thank you!
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I can't say for certain about Rogers Canada, but the US T-mobile variant- SM-910T- is what I have, and you should look into it. Maybe someone with Rogers can chime in about that.
It's 100% compatible with AT&T's fastest LTE bands and most 4G GSM bands used in Europe. It has an unlocked bootloader for easy rooting/ROM-flashing. There is an awesome XDA section devoted to it with some great ROMs and other tweaks. Of course, the major benefit is that if you stroll into a T-mobile store any buy one, it will have a warranty and service options if something were to possibly be wrong with it. Now, you'll need to get the phone SIM-unlocked either through T-mobile directly or an online sim-unlocking service (~ $20-30)
If you wanna spend less in the States, the 910T sells on craigslist, swappa, ebay, etc in pretty large numbers and it's very easy to obtain one in mint condition for a lot less than retail. Obviously, make sure that the device has a good IMEI through swappa.com before buying it used.
I find that lots of people buy the Note 4 and decide to sell it after a while- either they prefer something smaller, or an iPhone, or any number of other reasons like wanting extra cash, but there's tons of em on craigslist here in Chicago.
I bought a Sprint Note 4 in perfect condition from a guy for $350 the other week. Not saying you will necessarily have that type of luck, but just something to ponder.
i use 910U on rogers and AT&T gophone. also used it in the UK, most of europe and asia. this is an exynos taiwan variant with LTE. may not give you the fastest speeds everywhere but its awesome.
In the UK we get the Snapdragon 910F, but the 910H looks good according to the bands I've seen online (I don't know if they're correct mind!)
In the UK different networks use different bands (900, 1800, 2100, etc) for 3G; with some of the bands being shared amongst companies these days. Ideally you want a device that supports 900Mhz UTMS, and the 910H supports the band. The 900Mhz band has better indoor coverage than the higher frequencies as well.
Again 4G is on different bands depending on your provider, but the networks share most of the spectrum at the moment to reduce costs. I believe 4G is on 800, 1800, and 2600Mhz
i use 910U on rogers and AT&T gophone. also used it in the UK, most of europe and asia. this is an exynos taiwan variant with LTE. may not give you the fastest speeds everywhere but its awesome.
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IDK about LTE, but phones for China/HK will work on our 3G networks. I've tried a few 3G iphone knockoffs and had no issues.

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