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i know this has probably been asked 28934832 times, and i just spent an hour reading through the phandroid inc forums about these, but here's my question...
so i had an eris before this with the stock HTC mini usb car charger. it would charge as AC, not USB. so when i got the INC, i bought a little adapter from radio shack. on my INC, it would charge as USB...which i guess the adapter messed with the current somehow, which sucks bc it took forever to charge.
then i found my OLD aftermarket ebay cheapo 2 dollar retractable micro USB car charger that i used with my LG Env Touch. i plugged it in, and wa-la! it was AC! i was like, holy damn, that's awesome. thing is, it seems to still charge slow as hell for AC, almost as slow as USB, maybe a little quicker, but slower than charging from my wall.
so my question is, can you still show AC and not charge as fast as the wall outlet would?
Ive been told that cars electric systems can send spikes of current through the charger that could fry the battery. I had a LG Ally that i would charge in the car but it was more like a trickle charge where the wall would charge it fast. When i bought my Dinc, i didnt buy a car charger. Not sure if the response helps any.
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so i did some testing and came up with this:
on the wall charging in the house, going up a percent took about 53 seconds
in my truck using the charger that shows A/C, it took about 1min33sec
in my truck using an HTC car charger with a mini-to-micro usb adapter (which shows as USB in the menu), it took 3 minutes 22 seconds just to go up 1 percent
so no matter what, it's slower than inside...hmm
Thats true,and if could guess, i would guess its the difference between 12 volts vs. 120 volts.
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Do the chargers you use in your vehicles indicate their output? A higher value means, on average, quicker recharging. I've seen chargers as low as 250 mA, many at 500 mA (half an amp), a few at 700 mA, quite a few at 1A, and a rare one that puts out 2A (meant for iPads).
Personally, I need one that puts out at least 1A because then I can charge my phone up while I'm using navigation. Anything less and my phone slowly discharges completely (and gets REALLY hot in the meantime).
This is the one I use:
https://store.griffintechnology.com/powerjolt-dual-universal-micro
damn, 20 bucks for a charger....ugh.
the charger i use doesn't indicate ANYWHERE on it what it is, which sucks. my stock HTC one says it's the 1a, but that stupid usb adapter must cut that in half and make it charg slow, which sucks. i need to find a 1a guy somewhere
hmm...i use a car lighter adapter thing that i plug in that has 3 slots for stuff..so like i can use my GPS adapter, a charger, and something else at the same time. it's like an adapter extender. it also has a USB port in it..i wonder if that USB port will put out 1a like the one you showed above..? i didn't even think to try that
I got mine from Wal-Mart for $12.88 plus tax.
There are other 1A chargers out there. Just try a few and return the ones that don't work well enough. But first, check into the one you have...
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I usually power off my phone completely and charge it if I'm on the go... Ridiculously fast charging that way
Since the battery life of the phone is quite poor it's only natural that i would like to charge it when i'm on class or with an usb cable when im using my laptop, using other usb chargers/cables, but on the manual says (of course) that we should only use it with the lg charger that comes in the box or an official nexus 4 charger .
It kinda sounds like bullsh*t until i remember what happened with my motorola milestone, sometimes when i used another charger the screen started doing crazy things, like swipping the homescreens by itself , oppening apps, until i charged it for at least a few minutes with the official charger, some months later my digitalizer died, so you can imagine how traumatized i am, but then i think what's the point of trying to make a standard out of microusb chargers if we can only use the official charger? what do you guys think?
I find battery life to be very good.
I have been using an old HTC charger on mine without issue though. I suspect the 'only use LG charger' is to cover themselves in case you kill the device with a cheap and badly made knock off.
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AW: We can only use the LG charger?
I have literally problems in draining my battery, running Franco's Kernel and Minco v6.
Anyway, using another charger should be no problem. I used the charger of my Asus Transformer and a mobile charger in my car without issues.
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templope athletes,"
Feel free to use any USB wallcharger you'll find.
I tried some i had laying around (HTC, iPhone 5, iPad) and they all charged without trouble.. :good:
Yeah, I've used a 1A HTC charger with no issue. I accidentally left my lg charger at a friends house and had to use what I had.
the battery life is good, better than s2 with its extended battery, i was wondering about this too as i want to use a sony rx100 at 2amps to charge while im traveling.
on page 168 of the service manual it states the max charging current is set at 900mah, over voltage protection upto 28volts
The current should be controlled by the phone, not the charger. Therefore there shouldn't be a problem with more powerful chargers. The voltage has to be correct, though
The phone certainly regulates the power it takes.
If you are really worried about the chargers just flip them over and read the output ratings. Most of them are exactly the same these days.
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I use my GNex charger with no problems.
P.s- the battery life on this device is outstanding, you just need to find the kernel that works well on your device
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Any USB charger will work. Note the output current on the charger though, as that will impact how fast it can charge and whether or not you can have the screen on while you charge. The LG charger that comes with the phone is 5v 1.2a, an iPhone charger (at least as of the 4S when I got mine) is 5v 1a and an Amazon Kindle charger is 5v 0.85a. The USB 2.0 spec calls out a max power output of 5v 0.5a.
EnIXmA said:
I use my GNex charger with no problems.
P.s- the battery life on this device is outstanding, you just need to find the kernel that works well on your device
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+1 for the GNex charger.
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Any USB charger will work. Note the output current on the charger though, as that will impact how fast it can charge and whether or not you can have the screen on while you charge. The LG charger that comes with the phone is 5v 1.2a, an iPhone charger (at least as of the 4S when I got mine) is 5v 1a and an Amazon Kindle charger is 5v 0.85a. The USB 2.0 spec calls out a max power output of 5v 0.5a.
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I'm confused , the lg nexus 4 charger is 5.0v 1.2A and my galaxy nexus charger which i use sometimes with my nexus 4 is 5.0V 1.0A , what does this mean? what's the difference?
My Nexus 4 is on the way so i cant comment on that but my Sony Xperia S acts differently to different USB leads even on the same charge unit. It might charge at 500mAh or 950mAh (on a charger rated at 850mAh), the screen might be fine or it might act erratic and it all depends on the lead plugged in to the charger
I used Samsung/blackberry chargers and they worked. Not sure if they were as efficient though.
I pretty much use anything but the LG charger and have been doing so over a month. So feel free to use any quality charger you like.
I also charge of my Philips Qi pad and off computer USB ports.
As long as it's providing stable power or anything close to it, it's good.
Just be careful with (fake) cheapo chargers. Those might cause issues with the touchscreen going haywire while charging off them. I've also read that about some car chargers, but so far my cheap 2A 2port USB car charger that came of DX is working fine for me.
YMMV of course. But there is no need to stick to just the LG charger.
Hi all,
Ok, so I finally managed to order a 16Gb Nexus 4 and hopefully it will be with me in 1 week or so.
And I was wondering one thing regarding the AC adapter: I believe (pls correct me if I am wrong) that the original AC adapter’s output voltage is DC 5V, 1.2A.
I will need an extra AC adapter to keep it at work and I was planning to use one of those:
- The Sony Xperia P AC adapter will output 5V, 1,5A
- The Samsung Galaxy S AC adapter will output 5V, 0,7A
It is clear that neither of those 2 chargers will match exactly the specifications of the original Nexus charger (same voltage, but different amperage).
So, here goes the questions:
1) Is there any problem if I use a charger that will output the same voltage but with different amperage?... if not, which one would you use and why?.
2) how the amperage affect to the charging process?.
Thanks all in advance
PS: sorry for terrible English
You can use any charger up to 2 amps.
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Evergreen74 said:
Hi all,
Ok, so I finally managed to order a 16Gb Nexus 4 and hopefully it will be with me in 1 week or so.
And I was wondering one thing regarding the AC adapter: I believe (pls correct me if I am wrong) that the original AC adapter’s output voltage is DC 5V, 1.2A.
I will need an extra AC adapter to keep it at work and I was planning to use one of those:
- The Sony Xperia P AC adapter will output 5V, 1,5A
- The Samsung Galaxy S AC adapter will output 5V, 0,7A
It is clear that neither of those 2 chargers will match exactly the specifications of the original Nexus charger (same voltage, but different amperage).
So, here goes the questions:
1) Is there any problem if I use a charger that will output the same voltage but with different amperage?... if not, which one would you use and why?.
2) how the amperage affect to the charging process?.
Thanks all in advance
PS: sorry for terrible English
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You must use a 5V AC USB Adapter and better no LESS than 1A
for Fast Charge.
AC Adapter I Use:
iPad AC Adapter 5V 2.1A at Work
PlayBook AC Adapter 5V 1.8A at Home 1
Original Nexus 4 AC 5V 1.2A at Home 2.
Our Nexus 4 will Draw around 0.8A when Batt lever at 0% - 80%,
then around 0.5A at 80%-95%, Final State 95%-100% will draw 0.2A roughly.
When 100%, Nexus 4 will use the AC power & the Current "A" show on phone
will like 2mA (0.002A) when idling.
** 1A = 1000mA
As previous poster said, do not go under 1.2amp.
I run the OEM charger in my bed room, a USB charger to my computer, and a 2.1amp charger in the car.
Sfkn2 said:
As previous poster said, do not go under 1.2amp.
I run the OEM charger in my bed room, a USB charger to my computer, and a 2.1amp charger in the car.
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Why do you say not to go under 1.2A? Charging from a laptop is at .5A. I've been using a 1A charger since day one. Haven't experienced any issues with it.
Charging at a lower amperage shouldn't hurt anything, just charge slower. All you have to do is make sure it's a 5V charger. Amperage shouldn't matter but a lower amp charger will charge slower. As for a higher amp charger, the phone will only draw the amount of power it needs to charge so using 2A charger won't hurt anything either.
Also 2mA is 0.002A not 0.02 A
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You can use any charger up to 2 amps.
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Since the charger doesn't actually regulate the charging itself (the phone does this) it doesn't matter how many amps it can supply, could be 100 amps, no worries. As long as it is 5V, the phone will draw as many amps as it needs.
Since the supplied charger is 1.2A rated, it's fair to assume that the phone will never actually try to draw any more than that, so there will be no benefit in going higher.
Going for a lower current charger will likely extend the charge time.
I use a 2.1 amp daily without any issues.
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Wow guys!!... thanks all for your answers!!
So, if I understood correctly, the amperage will only affect to the charging time, meaning that by using the Xperia P AC adapter (1,5A) the battery will be charged faster that using the Galaxy S one (0,7A)... right?
Pls allow one last question: a few yeard ago, I think I read in some forums that a slower charging process could help to keep the batteries in the best conditions for a longer time... is this still true with modern batteries??
Again, THANKS all for your help!!
Evergreen74 said:
Wow guys!!... thanks all for your answers!!
So, if I understood correctly, the amperage will only affect to the charging time, meaning that by using the Xperia P AC adapter (1,5A) the battery will be charged faster that using the Galaxy S one (0,7A)... right?
Pls allow one last question: a few yeard ago, I think I read in some forums that a slower charging process could help to keep the batteries in the best conditions for a longer time... is this still true with modern batteries??
Again, THANKS all for your help!!
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Yes, the .7A charger will take a little longer to charge you phone.
On the other answer, I think NO but I'm not as familiar with LiPo batteries. I would venture to say that .7A vs 1.2A (max the phone will draw but I think someone above mentioned it's even less than that when the battery is very low) is not going to make a bit of difference in your battery life.
One thing I do know about LiPo's is you do not trickle charge them. So while plugged in it will charge at the rates mentioned above until full and then it QUITS charging all together. Once the phone discharges the battery to a certain level, it will charge it back up again. Probably at 98-99%.
There may be one other thing to consider when selecting a third party charger. In the Nexus 7, the device looks for pins 2 & 3 (data) of the USB plug to be shorted in order for it to draw full current. If this pins are open (or have a load across them as is the case with iPhone/iPad chargers), the Nexus 7 will assume it is plugged into a computer and limit its draw to 500MA.
Not certain the Nexus 4 behaves the same way but would assume so.
setzer715 said:
Yes, the .7A charger will take a little longer to charge you phone.
On the other answer, I think NO but I'm not as familiar with LiPo batteries. I would venture to say that .7A vs 1.2A (max the phone will draw but I think someone above mentioned it's even less than that when the battery is very low) is not going to make a bit of difference in your battery life.
One thing I do know about LiPo's is you do not trickle charge them. So while plugged in it will charge at the rates mentioned above until full and then it QUITS charging all together. Once the phone discharges the battery to a certain level, it will charge it back up again. Probably at 98-99%.
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setzer715, thanks for the answer... I think I will be using the Xperia P charger at work...
Thanks all for your help!!
I want to make this case clear. According to my Charging log,
Here is some key point.
Nexus 4 Max Draw Rate at Fast Charge Mode is around 800-900mA,
even you use a Charger that rated at 1A (iPhone Tofu), 1.2A (Original),
1.8A (Playbook), 2.1A (iPad).
Fast Charge Mode must be with Charging Cable with 2&3 pin Shorted,
or the charger itself have the 2&3 pin already shorted.
Therefore, 1A is a Sweet spot for getting Charger & Charging Time for
Li-Po/Li-Ion/Ni-MH Batt charging.
If you use under 1A Charger, eg 700mA or 500mA, it will take much longer
to charge the batt but no harm as well. Just too slow only.
The stock charger that came with my phone sucks, I use one from my epic 4g touch (gs2)and it charges much better
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jlear3 said:
The stock charger that came with my phone sucks,
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Why you say so...? What's wrong with it...?
Talon88 said:
Why you say so...? What's wrong with it...?
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Left a phone on a charger all night with a long (10ft) cable and it couldn't even charge the phone over night. I know a 10ft cable will slow things down but my gs2 plug has no problem charging my phone. Search around and you'll find a few fail stories about the stock LG charger.
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Hello,
Just noticed that S4 comes with 2A charger while S3 come with 1A charger. I have place where I charge a bunch of different devices in the house which has micro-USB port and all of them are using 1A. I'm wondering what repricussions I can have if I add 2A charger to the mix and will charge old devices with 2A charger and vice a versa charge S4 with 1A?
artisticcheese said:
Hello,
Just noticed that S4 comes with 2A charger while S3 come with 1A charger. I have place where I charge a bunch of different devices in the house which has micro-USB port and all of them are using 1A. I'm wondering what repricussions I can have if I add 2A charger to the mix and will charge old devices with 2A charger and vice a versa charge S4 with 1A?
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It will be fine, I charge all my devices from my ipad 3 10W/2A @5V wall charger. Bringing one charger while travelling reduces the clutter I have to pack.
Basically if your devices are working properly, they will only pull the power they need to charge. The S4's 2A charger is capable of supplying up to 2A's but is fine supplying less if the device your charging uses less.
The actuall charging circuitry that controls the battery charging is in the phone or device, not the wall unit. The wall unit is simply the power supply.
As acruxksa mentioned, you'll be fine since the device is in control of how much power it pulls from the charger (as long as it is working properly, that is). The only thing that you may notice is when you are charging the Galaxy S4 with the older 1.0A charger it may charge slower.
Have a great day.
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As acruxksa mentioned, you'll be fine since the device is in control of how much power it pulls from the charger (as long as it is working properly, that is). The only thing that you may notice is when you are charging the Galaxy S4 with the older 1.0A charger it may charge slower.
Have a great day.
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And if in doubt, look at it this way; the phones will charge off a USB port on a computer - this is 500ma (0.5A) - so as long as your device will charge off a usb port, it will charge off a wall charger that supplies at least that much amperage. New iPads will not charge off USB ports, but it doesn't hurt them to plug them in.
Charging time
artisticcheese said:
Hello,
Just noticed that S4 comes with 2A charger while S3 come with 1A charger. I have place where I charge a bunch of different devices in the house which has micro-USB port and all of them are using 1A. I'm wondering what repricussions I can have if I add 2A charger to the mix and will charge old devices with 2A charger and vice a versa charge S4 with 1A?
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Yes it does but as the previous reply said it takes longer.
I used the old s3 cable at the office charging s4 but it takes long time to get the battery % up. It usually takes my s4 from 1% to 100% within an hour and half time but with the s3 cable it takes good 3 -4 hour or so.
I wouldn't take the s3 cable for travelling though. it will take too long for me to charge in coffee shops and what not when I am moving around the destinations.
So far, I am very impressed with the charging time of S4.. Love the device.
acruxksa said:
It will be fine, I charge all my devices from my ipad 3 10W/2A @5V wall charger. Bringing one charger while travelling reduces the clutter I have to pack.
Basically if your devices are working properly, they will only pull the power they need to charge. The S4's 2A charger is capable of supplying up to 2A's but is fine supplying less if the device your charging uses less.
The actuall charging circuitry that controls the battery charging is in the phone or device, not the wall unit. The wall unit is simply the power supply.
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I don't understand why all current control is on device itself why not manufacturers just suppl 3A chargers for all the phones since it can be used for any device out there.
alphadog00 said:
And if in doubt, look at it this way; the phones will charge off a USB port on a computer - this is 500ma (0.5A) - so as long as your device will charge off a usb port, it will charge off a wall charger that supplies at least that much amperage. New iPads will not charge off USB ports, but it doesn't hurt them to plug them in.
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That's how I rationalized using my One S chargers
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artisticcheese said:
I don't understand why all current control is on device itself why not manufacturers just suppl 3A chargers for all the phones since it can be used for any device out there.
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Good question. Maybe because the higher amp batteries have not been out that long compared to all the years smartphones have been sold. They may start making 3A only. Also, companies may sell less chargers if one size fits all. No need to buy a new one when you change phones.
I do know when I charge the S4 with my One S charger it does take longer, as mentioned, and very slow off USB. The One S charger end also gets somewhat warm charging the S4. The S4 charger does not. That would lead me to believe it is pulling a little more current than charger was designed for. But, probably not an issue. USB does not get warm. But, is a good quality one and heavily shielded.
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I don't understand why all current control is on device itself why not manufacturers just suppl 3A chargers for all the phones since it can be used for any device out there.
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In case someone buys a 10amp cheap charger and ends up frying the phone. Thus Samsung protects it self from dummy users and from million dead phones warranty swaps.
I'm using a USB car charger that puts out 2.1amps and its super fast. USB 2.0 on my laptop takes a while to charge it. Some times I use iPhone charger with Nokia cable or with WD hard drive USB wire. They all work just fine but charge at different rate.
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artisticcheese said:
I don't understand why all current control is on device itself why not manufacturers just suppl 3A chargers for all the phones since it can be used for any device out there.
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The bigger the charger, more expensive it is. Manufacturers want to save money.
Wow. Way to necro this thread...
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Damn, thank goodness for Urban Dictionaries for OLD farts--
Had to look that one up
so if i will charge my S3 with a 2A charger i wont see any major change from the 1A, correct? I have the Boeffala kernel and at the AC charge is set to 1,1A so if i have a 2A charger i guess it should charge faster.
The phone will only draw the maximum it can. The 2A charger will charge it at the same speed as the 1A charger.
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The phone will only draw the maximum it can. The 2A charger will charge it at the same speed as the 1A charger.
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Maybe it is a placebo effect, but when I charge my S3 with my S4's charger it does seem faster. Quite a few of my coworkers that have used my S4 charger at work also thought it charged faster.
Either way I have charged my S3 with it very often with no I'll effects, so OP you should be safe to do so.
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Install battery monitor widget and you will be able to see how much it's pulling on each charger
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My note 3 use to charge pretty fast, but over the past few days I noticed it takes a long time to charge when plugged into the wall. My n2 was on 5% and within 40 mins it was up to 85%..i did root it and a few other things..does anyone else have this problem lately? I have searched and only found one thing, his problem was with a mac..
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Are you using the original Note 3 charger? If I reuse my Note 2 charger which is close in specs at 2A 5V it does a super slow trickle charge that's way slower than even a Samsung 0.7A 5V charger. No issues with the original Note 3 charger so far.
If you have the time, a slow charge is always better.
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Are you using the original Note 3 charger? If I reuse my Note 2 charger which is close in specs at 2A 5V it does a super slow trickle charge that's way slower than even a Samsung 0.7A 5V charger. No issues with the original Note 3 charger so far.
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I use my n2 charger with the cable and it charged fast..
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4049
For the other guy/discussion.
When you use the note3 charger, take a look in the battery status, do you see USB or AC ?
If USB try to wipe the cache. (power up the phone with power + volume up + menu button)
P2o8wer said:
My note 3 use to charge pretty fast, but over the past few days I noticed it takes a long time to charge when plugged into the wall. My n2 was on 5% and within 40 mins it was up to 85%..i did root it and a few other things..does anyone else have this problem lately? I have searched and only found one thing, his problem was with a mac..
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hey p2o8wer, I think I was the other guy you were referring to haha. I had the same problem but it went away after I unrooted. The note 3 charges super fast when plugged to the wall outlet (1-2 hrs from 20 to 100% i think) using the provided charger now. I also don't use the phone while its charging. Hope this helps.