[Q] Will bootloader unlock be permanent? - AT&T Samsung Galaxy S 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshootin

I am very happy and relieved that we will be getting a bootloader unlock. Im curious whether it is permanent or if it will be broken if say I decide to return to stock for whatever reason. Thanks. Iv read through most of the posts about it and still not sure

I would guess the stock images we get, when we do get them, will include the original bootloader. So, if you returned to stock for any reason I would assume you could simply use the same exploit to take control once again. Not sure about the idea of critical update ota's sent by carriers though.
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More importantly...When will people start posting "questions" in the "Q&A" section?

scott14719 said:
More importantly...When will people start posting "questions" in the "Q&A" section?
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Does it really bother you that much haha. It's not like he posted in the dev section
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ateitTh ness
I have my device rooted. Is there anyway to block automatic updates?

Relys said:
I have my device rooted. Is there anyway to block automatic updates?
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You can freeze the two files that deal with carriers pushing OTA's. I forget the two file names, but I remember seeing it discussed earlier today
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Mike on XDA said:
You can freeze the two files that deal with carriers pushing OTA's. I forget the two file names, but I remember seeing it discussed earlier today
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I froze:
AT&T Software update V42_1_1303_5_1
FWUpgrade 1.2.0
Is that right?

Keep in mind that the Snapdragon 600 uses Qfuses, therefore any older/compromised version of the bootloader can be permanantly revoked through a software update (and won't ever run again on your phone if they do). Something to be careful of if you ever think of updating.

Only way to update safely will be to flash a updated ROM that a dev releases here after he mods it to be safe to run and keep the unlocked bootloader
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mathieulh said:
Keep in mind that the Snapdragon 600 uses Qfuses, therefore any older/compromised version of the bootloader can be permanantly revoked through a software update (and won't ever run again on your phone if they do). Something to be careful of if you ever think of updating.
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I am curouis - I have run custom roms so long I can't remember the process that occurs when updates are avaialble - but my memory is that you are given an option to accept the update if you want - you don't have to download it - is that correct?

mocsab said:
I am curouis - I have run custom roms so long I can't remember the process that occurs when updates are avaialble - but my memory is that you are given an option to accept the update if you want - you don't have to download it - is that correct?
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Typically yes...although ive experienced updates where you can only delay the update three times before it forces you to accept
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Updated, kept root but forgot to unlock.

As stated. Updated my wife's xt907 to the newest update without unlocking, but was able to keep root privileges. I'm pretty sure that I'm in the pool along with everyone else as far as having to wait for a new unlock method. But I wanted to check. Am I stuck?
Thx for any help.
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csstamatin said:
As stated. Updated my wife's xt907 to the newest update without unlocking, but was able to keep root privileges. I'm pretty sure that I'm in the pool along with everyone else as far as having to wait for a new unlock method. But I wanted to check. Am I stuck?
Thx for any help.
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I posted this the other day on another thread....
I just had an email exchange with the motorola support people today. My question was whether the OEM Unlock Bootloader Program would be extended to cover the non-developer RAZR phones. The person I was working with stated that she would escalate the question to her management for potential consideration. My thought is that if enough users make this request, then maybe they might consider it.
I used the following URL to contact them (after I signed in.)
motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/prod_ask/
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Is my phone rootable?

I am running 4.2.2 with amf3. Is this rootable yet? Sorry for the dumb question. Haven't been on in a while
gwell1 said:
I am running 4.2.2 with amf3. Is this rootable yet? Sorry for the dumb question. Haven't been on in a while
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Yep look in the general section.
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It's rootable but you won't be able to flash ROMS, yet.
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r8revealed said:
It's rootable but you won't be able to flash ROMS, yet.
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n00b here...
Then what is the point of rooting?
I want to get 4.3. :crying:
You will be able to install root access apps and certain mods. I personally don't find if useful at the moment, so I'll be waiting for a bootloader unlock. (Which is what is actually needed for flashing ROMS).
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r8revealed said:
You will be able to install root access apps and certain mods. I personally don't find if useful at the moment, so I'll be waiting for a bootloader unlock. (Which is what is actually needed for flashing ROMS).
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That was my thought too.
John D'oh said:
n00b here...
Then what is the point of rooting?
I want to get 4.3. :crying:
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With Root (and a locked bootloader) you can do TONS of stuff.
- Install and use TiBu
- Change framework for unlocking many neat customizations
- Remove/disable bloatware
- Allow for wifi tethering
- Disable ads
- Change startup/shutdown/system sounds
- Change bootup animations
- etc..
Just because you have a locked bootloader does not mean you have no use for root.
John D'oh said:
n00b here...
Then what is the point of rooting?
I want to get 4.3. :crying:
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You can install the Xposed Framework and add a multitude of various mods to your setup. I used it when waiting for the original boot loader work around. Its quite nice actually. The amount of options have only expanded since that time. Check it out.
Here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2285074
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Mike said:
You can install the Xposed Framework and add a multitude of various mods to your setup. I used it when waiting for the original boot loader work around. Its quite nice actually. The amount of options have only expanded since that time. Check it out.
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Thanks!
BTW, is there a way to get this phone to check for updates from G instead of ATT so we can get 4.3 that way?
John D'oh said:
Thanks!
BTW, is there a way to get this phone to check for updates from G instead of ATT so we can get 4.3 that way?
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No
joeybear23 said:
With Root (and a locked bootloader) you can do TONS of stuff.
- Install and use TiBu
- Change framework for unlocking many neat customizations
- Remove/disable bloatware
- Allow for wifi tethering
- Disable ads
- Change startup/shutdown/system sounds
- Change bootup animations
- etc..
Just because you have a locked bootloader does not mean you have no use for root.
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But every time I boot up my phone it has an unlocked logo under the word Samsung. Why is that ?
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vividblu2020 said:
But every time I boot up my phone it has an unlocked logo under the word Samsung. Why is that ?
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Use the search function and search the forums for "sysscope" or "custom" or visually search for threads that have that subject in the title. You should find tons of information about it within the first page or two of the "general" and "Q&A" sub forums.
vividblu2020 said:
But every time I boot up my phone it has an unlocked logo under the word Samsung. Why is that ? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using xda premium
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There are several threads about it here on XDA. It's the Samsung screen notice that you've changed their OS. Sort of like the old triangle on the S2 when you trip the rom-flash counter.
I was able to eliminate the unlocked lock symbol using Chainfire's Triangle away (might be on XDA, but I bought it on Play).
Read the caveats and decide if you want to use it. . . worked for me on my i337 running SHOstock2.1!
Good Luck!
joeybear23 said:
With Root (and a locked bootloader) you can do TONS of stuff.
- Install and use TiBu
- Change framework for unlocking many neat customizations
- Remove/disable bloatware
- Allow for wifi tethering
- Disable ads
- Change startup/shutdown/system sounds
- Change bootup animations
- etc..
Just because you have a locked bootloader does not mean you have no use for root.
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Perfect answer.
People around me always ask for root their phone for non of above
markbc01 said:
There are several threads about it here on XDA. It's the Samsung screen notice that you've changed their OS. Sort of like the old triangle on the S2 when you trip the rom-flash counter.
I was able to eliminate the unlocked lock symbol using Chainfire's Triangle away (might be on XDA, but I bought it on Play).
Read the caveats and decide if you want to use it. . . worked for me on my i337 running SHOstock2.1!
Good Luck!
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So are you saying since I did this I may be able to flash something?
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vividblu2020 said:
So are you saying since I did this I may be able to flash something?
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If you are on mf3 you can't flash anything...you have no custom recovery as there is no way to get a custom recovery for mf3 at the moment
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vividblu2020 said:
So are you saying since I did this I may be able to flash something?
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The answer is "yes," UNLESS your stock rom is version is MF3, in which case the answer is "NO...for now," as mg2195 just mentioned and explained in the preceding post. . .
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The answer is "yes," UNLESS your stock rom is version is MF3, in which case the answer is "NO...for now," as mg2195 just mentioned and explained in the preceding post. . .
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That sucks. Well hopefully the developers will be able to figure out a way
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mg2195 said:
If you are on mf3 you can't flash anything...you have no custom recovery as there is no way to get a custom recovery for mf3 at the moment
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There's a post in the general section talking about flashing carrier Roms. So if I rooted and say installed a twrp using ROM toolbox to flash these Roms, including "loki'd" and my carrier kernel wouldn't that work ?
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vividblu2020 said:
There's a post in the general section talking about flashing carrier Roms. So if I rooted and say installed a twrp using ROM toolbox to flash these Roms, including "loki'd" and my carrier kernel wouldn't that work ?
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If you're on the mf3 firmware you can't install twrp. And don't try as you will probably brick your phone. Do you know what firmware you're on?

Cyanogen mod/aokp??

Anyone know of any word on these two roms making a appearance here soon?
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There's like 8 of these threads already but long story short, no.
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akellar said:
There's like 8 of these threads already but long story short, no.
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Link me to the long story please
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Jeremiah_1988 said:
Link me to the long story please
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Here's your long story short:
Until we get the bootloader unlocked, NONE of those ROMs will make it to this phone. Period.
carlz28 said:
Here's your long story short:
Until we get the bootloader unlocked, NONE of those ROMs will make it to this phone. Period.
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Why do people keep saying this? I came from Droid Razr MAXX, locked bootloader. and officially supported by CM and AOKP.
If you dont believe me go here and select Razr Maxx and see. This is CM official download site. Not trying to argue, just sayin'. Dont be so sure we will not see that type of development.
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/index.php?title=Devices#vendor=;
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Why do people keep saying this? I came from Droid Razr MAXX, locked bootloader. and officially supported by CM and AOKP.
If you dont believe me go here and select Razr Maxx and see. This is CM official download site. Not trying to argue, just sayin'. Dont be so sure we will not see that type of development.
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/index.php?title=Devices#vendor=;
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Kind of what I thought, just going to try and wait patiently for more development
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Again, they all use kexec or loki and neither will work on this device. Please read the other threads about this. They are all the same.
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akellar said:
Again, they all use kexec or loki and neither will work on this device. Please read the other threads about this. They are all the same.
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This.
Safestrap (at least at the moment) doesn't support kexec or Loki for this device, which is the way those other devices manage to run custom kernels. Not saying its impossible, but likely improbable.
carlz28 said:
This.
Safestrap (at least at the moment) doesn't support kexec or Loki for this device, which is the way those other devices manage to run custom kernels. Not saying its impossible, but likely improbable.
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All i was saying, is that our device is way to new to be saying what it will or wont have development on in the future. Thats just my opinion.
i have an unlocked developer edition where is my cm/aosp then haha
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i have an unlocked developer edition where is my cm/aosp then haha
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Apparently there are a lot of problems getting it working on this device. If you will notice, none of the note 3's have it, not even the international. I think part of it is knox, part of it is the bootloader, part of it is the hardware on the device. Samsung went above and beyond to keep this phone running their system.
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Apparently there are a lot of problems getting it working on this device. If you will notice, none of the note 3's have it, not even the international. I think part of it is knox, part of it is the bootloader, part of it is the hardware on the device. Samsung went above and beyond to keep this phone running their system.
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i dont know what the issue could be. tmobile and dev editions are unlocked bootloaders and you dont have to run knox so idk unless knox is baked in somewhere where you cant get around it
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i dont know what the issue could be. tmobile and dev editions are unlocked bootloaders and you dont have to run knox so idk unless knox is baked in somewhere where you cant get around it
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Unlocked does not equal aosp, at least functioning. Ril is likely an issue.
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Sbrissen said he'd make it happen if he were to obtain a device...... Dev Edition....
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Sbrissen said he'd make it happen if he were to obtain a device...... Dev Edition....
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i have a friends bricked note 3 he can get haha

WiFi Tether 4.4.4 - Requires Root

This is for anyone who has root on 4.4.4 but also has write protection enabled. (Used SuperSU to keep root through the update).
This app will allow you to enable the native WiFi tether without modifying the system (Which we can't do anyways). I have been using this for about an hour with no issues.
Finally, I didn't make this, I'm just someone who's stuck between places and need WiFi tethering for my job and hate spending money. Use at your own risk of course.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/themes-apps/app-hotspot-entitlement-bypass-v1-1-5-9-t2705152
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Yeah, I think this is how Topsnake's exploit works.
Its the same thing as the exploit I released in the dev section. Nice repost
Topsnake said:
Its the same thing as the exploit I released in the dev section. Nice repost
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Link? I looked through both Dev sections and only saw exploits that require you to modify system files and build.prop. Sorry nonetheless if this has been posted before.
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miketoasty said:
Link? I looked through both Dev sections and only saw exploits that require you to modify system files and build.prop. Sorry nonetheless if this has been posted before.
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Yeah i just made the connection now. Forgot not everyone has unlocked BLs. In theory, if the app can make the change, you can too.
The app literally applies the same exact exploit as the one I've already released.
chrisc2u said:
Doesn't the exploit require write access? Shouldn't this as well? Just want to make sure before I update.Thanks in advance.
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No it does not, it runs a command after the phone is booted that while requiring root to run does not make any actually changes to the system.
Again, I have a 1 for write protection (meaning its enabled) and SuperSU basically stuck in System and have no issues running the app, making WiFi hot spots, and having devices connected to it.
Make sure you have root survival set up as well, I'm not sure if the update would remove root without it but I don't think you would want to take that chance.
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I dont know if anybody found that before but Im able to tether wifi without doing anything [emoji1], of course Im using my phone outside US with a gsm carrier.
miketoasty said:
No it does not, it runs a command after the phone is booted that while requiring root to run does not make any actually changes to the system.
Again, I have a 1 for write protection (meaning its enabled) and SuperSU basically stuck in System and have no issues running the app, making WiFi hot spots, and having devices connected to it.
Make sure you have root survival set up as well, I'm not sure if the update would remove root without it but I don't think you would want to take that chance.
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and just to confirm, you couldn't apply my exloit? Again this app does the same thing.
josuearisty said:
I dont know if anybody found that before but Im able to tether wifi without doing anything [emoji1], of course Im using my phone outside US with a gsm carrier.
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That's because your on a different carrier
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and just to confirm, you couldn't apply my exloit? Again this app does the same thing.
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I attempted this exploit by you TopSnake ( http://bit.ly/1zz1JOE) and after rebooting my build.prop was deleted and all renamed files were restored to their original state. Was there another exploit you were talking about? This was the only one I could find in the dev section for the latest update.
I do know that you can run a simple command to do what this app does but this app can run on boot up which saves some time.
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The app literally applies the same exact exploit as the one I've already released.
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The OP stated he was write protected, so he can't copy the build.prop over the stock one. My app doesn't write to the system it runs the /system/bin/setprop command to set the property. The build.prop sets the property on boot but after the phone has booted the build.prop is never read again. So replacing it on write protected devices won't work.
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how to root and unlock 183.46.15

Is there any way to root my phone.
The system version is 183.46.15.
If your boot loader is locked, no.
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Nope. Sorry. Both bootloader and root are patched.
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If your boot loader is locked, no.
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Is there any guru working on the root? thinking about selling the phone if no hope
everseen said:
Is there any guru working on the root? thinking about selling the phone if no hope
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Not gonna come as far as I can see from now. Just go ahead and sell it. Plenty of alternatives on the market.
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There are some RAZR M that are unlocked on Swappa as well.
tianor said:
Is there any way to root my phone.
The system version is 183.46.15.
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Did u get unlocked, i am also stricken with it
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Did u get unlocked, i am also stricken with it
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No luck yet.
root and unlock 183.46.15
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No luck yet.
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Me too, me too!
Googleing this search daily " unlock 183.46.15 site:forum[.]xda-developers[.]com"
Checked ever corner of XDA, alas no solution on how to root and unlock 183.46.15
Devs @ XDA, come on champs gave us something, so can we also enjoy the privilege of CM12. Many are waiting for it fingers crossed
Mods/all, its only a humble request to Dev & not that if being annoyed.
Qualcomm patched the second layer (sbl2) of the second-stage bootloader, to take care of possible exploitation, effectively making it impenetrable. So for some individuals, we're pretty much out of luck. I wouldn't be sure of the possible exploits (the problem is, after that patch, it makes it even harder, although not impossible). Previous Kit Kat rooting exploitation relies on the permission requestion layer (futex) of the Linux kernel, as discovered by the former PS3 hacker, GeoHot, while it's patched by now. It's possible there is already a new rooting exploit by now, just don't hold the breath.
It's possible there is already a new rooting exploit by now, just don't hold the breath.
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Can you please be more concretely?
I may not be up to date, been out of town for a bit, and figuring out a way to unbrick a few RAZR Ms.
However, the reason I said not to hold the breath is because of Verizon demanding a hard fix for rooting so that way almost any root exploits simply fail on arrival. This phone company also WANTS locked BIOS so no one can install custom recovery and OS "just because it put customer services in jeopardy".
That's really bad, can't believe that there is no chance to root or bootunlock this device.
By the way, do you know any way to disable/delete/freeze modem fast dormancy service without rooting phone? Or to made some changes in build.prop file?
Simply force close Modem fastdormancy first then disable it in app manager, it will then quit. And, editing build.prop requires root (write protection).
Force close works but disable button is inactive.
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Ah, right.... I wonder why Verizon would disable some app manager features.
I'm outside of us, my carrier operates in gsm network and does not support fast dormancy, therefore phone reboots and can't wake up on power button when using h+. Thats why I need to edit build.prop and to dothis I need root access to file system.
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Makes sense. However, I may look for new exploit, but since Futex is removed, it is not so simple.
Dr. Mario, are you developer?
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Not officially, yet. But I know how the software works underneath the pretty UI, even down to the machine codes. I have been modding Android for 3 years.

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