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Ok so I have another noob question. Do I need some kind of firewall and antivirus program on my tab? I mean I spent a ton protecting my laptops and desktops, so is the tab already somehow pretty well protected or do I need something?
And if so what do you recomend
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Get Lookout from market, it's free. Thats what I use as a antivirus program. It has some other extra features with it too.
By default Android does not accept connections from the outside unless you tell it to.
So for a firewall, to stop applications from accessing the internet (wifi or 3G) you can try Droidwall. It doesn't work with ClockWorkMod though because of the older version of busybox built in to it. So if you are not using ClockWork for your recovery, it should work.
There are very few (only heard of one so far) viruses that have hit smartphones as of yet. But it is good to be prepared.
you do NOT need an antivirus for an android device as it is present... All those reports you see of viruses on android are done by the company MAKING the antivirus software
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you do NOT need an antivirus for an android device as it is present... All those reports you see of viruses on android are done by the company MAKING the antivirus software
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What do you mean it is present? I didn't know android came with antivirus software. Yes, I have heard teh argument that antivirus software company are the ones making the viruses. But the fact is ( whatever the truth is) if you get hit with one, its still a pain. Since its free for now, go for it.
PS. Viruses has been on a decline though for computers and none made for smartphones yet. Lol maybe symanctec is had to cut cost and got rid of their programmers. I know Mcafee just got sold to Intel. Or maybe they are all waiting for the right time to release them when everyone's guard is down. Do I smell conspiracy Either eay, if the stuff on your phone is important, protect it.
You don't need one.
bpt888, drksilenc didn't mean the antivirus app makers were making viruses, he said that they were the only ones reporting on them.
What has been reported so far have not actually been viruses. It seems you have fallen into the trap those who make apps like lookout want people to fall into.
They report on things like, apps requesting device id's etc. You can see that an app will do this by looking at the permissions it asks for. eg, no need for an "antivirus" app.
If you actually read the "virus" reports from these companies, you'll see nothing is needed.
There are no viruses on Android.
None
Zero
Nil
Android anti-virus programs are a worthless waste. Actually less than worthless, as these useless programs just slow down your system for no benefit.
Android isn't Windows, it doesn't have holes the hackers can easily drive through.
If you concerned about your privacy install firewall (Droidwall for example) and tune its setting to block wallpaper or some other apps connecting to somebody you don't know.
Sometimes applications request internet access without good reason raising doubts in their purpose.
You will need to obtain root privileges to run firewall. Ironically this might lower your Tab protection against network intrusion. However, none of this is known threat unless you unknowingly install trojan and any other malware.
No virus software needed. Seriously it is a waste of time.
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Android isn't Windows, it doesn't have holes the hackers can easily drive through.
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Sorry, but this is just FUD.
Windows is far more secure than most people give it credit for - it's just that it is the target for 99% of all attacks because it is so ubiquitous.
If and when Linux achieves some sort of relevance on the average consumer desktop, I'd expect to see a lot more attacks targeted its way and a corresponding increase in security issues.
Regards,
Dave
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Sorry, but this is just FUD.
Windows is far more secure than most people give it credit for - it's just that it is the target for 99% of all attacks because it is so ubiquitous.
If and when Linux achieves some sort of relevance on the average consumer desktop, I'd expect to see a lot more attacks targeted its way and a corresponding increase in security issues.
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Dave
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I agree, but surely the way that Linux (and Android) is made makes it inherently more secure? Without root access there's not much that can be done to truly compromise a Linux system, and Android sandboxes everything
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I agree, but surely the way that Linux (and Android) is made makes it inherently more secure? Without root access there's not much that can be done to truly compromise a Linux system, and Android sandboxes everything
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I agree there's a certain degree of additional security provided by sandboxing, but we've already seen APKs (e.g. Z4Root) that can gain root access, so it's not infallible. It is one of the reasons that I use Chrome on all platforms - if you check out Pwn2Own, Chrome has yet to fail, and that it mostly due to sandboxing - however, it is not a panacea!
There is definitely an element of "security through obscurity" around non-Windows OS's. Note the use of the word "element" - I'm not saying that Linux or any other OS are insecure, just that they are attacked less than Windows.
The point is that modern Windows is far more secure than most people realise - any OS given the same amount of attention by the "bad guys" in comparison to others. Vulnerabilities exist in all OS's and will continue to found and exploited.
I'm in full agreement that currently the real security threats on Android are down to users not paying enough attention to the permissions that an app requests when it is installed, but this will likely change as Android gains popularity.
I do pay attention to the apps I install, so I personally don't feel the need for any kind of security suite on Android at present.
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Dave
Cool, thanks for your thoughts.
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ok, i know this sounds absurd. But hear me out.
When going through the unlocking guide for the HTC legend on unlockr.com.
(http://theunlockr.com/2010/06/07/how-to-root-the-htc-legend/)
The guide offers a download for the version of HTC Sync required during the downgrading procedure. The provided website even includes the download link for the file.
So, I install it and go about my attempts at rooting. (I ultimately fail and still have yet to figure it out, but that's not the issue here.)
After trying it and failing, i try another computer. (XP) as mine is Win7.
A few hours later, My fathers World of Warcraft account gets stolen. Curious.
After going through all the steps to lock, restore, and re-active the account. The password to it and his e-mail have been changed.
Next night. same thing happens. I try to scan the computer for malware, nothing shows up. So, I'm looking through the processes, and i come across 'logger.exe' and 'generic.exe'
After doing some research and tests, guess what? It was installed with that supplied version of HTC Sync. It was stealing WoW accounts and clearing them out.
It couldn't do it on my Win 7 machine because i didn't have wow installed, or due to Win7 security measures, I don't know. But it only worked on the XP machine. However, it was also present on the win7 machine.
The loggers are located in
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Teleca Shared\Generic.exe and
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Teleca Shared\logger.exe
Both of these processes are malware and were installed on my computers from that Unlockr HTC Sync installation file.
I just wanted to inform everybody here if they've used that version of HTC sync from unlockr that they may want to check their computers for this keylogger.
I've googled it, and i'm not the only one.
I've sent an e-mail about this to unlockr last week and they have yet to get back to me, or remove the file.
are you sure about that?
i have a stock legend and htc sync downloaded directly from the htc website... i just checked and coincidentally it is also the version 2.0.33 and also have the 2 suspicious logger and generic in my tasks... are you saying that these 2 processes are malwares from the official htc source?
i'm gonna google it and i hope you're wrong ...
I did a search and found the following links... which seems to say they are legit processes from htc sync software... its just a bad choice of name i agree...
http://systemexplorer.net/filereviews.php?fid=6587
http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/211133;jsessionid=B08E85EE9B11C593AD3FD93DD4B0036F.app3jive1
Well, this could very well be true. But personally, too many things don't add up.
This process (for me) only activated when i booted WoW. Otherwise it wasn't running.
After doing some online research, i found three other people who's linked this process to stolen wow accounts.
My fathers wow account was repeatedly broken in to until i removed this process.
As for it being in the legit HTC Sync. I agree, and i'm not disputing that. But that doesn't mean that the version supplied by unlockr from a file download site (not directly from HTC) may be infected and pretending to be the legit processes.
Too many coincidences for me to believe that this is 100% a coincidence.
Coincidence that it only actives when wow starts.
Coincidence that the wow account stopped being stolen only right after that process was removed.
Coincidence that multiple other people have had the exact same problem. (Though the place they acquired htc sync is not known).
I fully admit i don't have all the proof and could very well be wrong and making myself look like an idiot. But, I don't think i am. Too much of this doesn't add up to it being completely safe and some other thing is the cause for us who's been effected.
Again, just thought i'd put that out there.
I might have to look into this, however you said the logger only starts up when using WoW... there has to be a process running that activates logger.exe when starting WoW.
Submit the files to Symantec/Trend and see if they find it suspicious.
Have you used Process Explorer to track down where the file actually resides?
Right click the process and choose properties, you can see where on the hard drive the file exists.
Or.. simply stop playing WoW..
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Or.. simply stop playing..
Better yet switch to Linux you wouldn't believe how fast can your computer be without all those anti spy/virus bloatware.
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My XP laptop and my i7 beast running Win7 Pro do just fine with MSSE, I got fed up of Linux dependency problems, went to FreeBSD and never looked back and now only use Windowz on all my machines 'cos that's where most of the money is in the business world
Anyway, still interesting to see that these files seem to have come from HTC...
Heh, you have to have i7 for the same experience I have on an old Dual Core I presume
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Linux is so much better. Fast, reliable and the command line is logical. Mostly
Also: it's free!
Nah I need an i7 with 16Gb RAM for Virtual machines (Windows server / 7 / Linux / BSD )
Something my Core2Quad couldn't do very well
I have dual core laptop with 4 GB of RAM running 3 virtual machines (kvm) at the same time + me working on fourth and it is doing fine. Now for more than a year and not a single problem.
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I have dual core laptop with 4 GB of RAM running 3 virtual machines (kvm) at the same time + me working on fourth and it is doing fine. Now for more than a year and not a single problem.
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That doesn't mean your requirements resemble his in any way, does it?
You like Linux. We get it.
That's not the point... the point is I don't like bloatware and stuff running on my comp just because. If you are running stuff just because, you need better comp to be able to do your job besides that. Coz you need an anti-virus you need bigger comp and bigger stronger comp draws more power so you are at loss 2x in a row for nothing and you are getting grey hair 2x faster again all for nothing... installing drivers, removing drivers, reinstalling them again... repeating it 10x and you are still at point zero meaning you haven't yet began to do your job, which comp was primarily ment for.
Ahh, sorry for the OT rant but just think about what is your comp doing most of its lifetime...
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I haven't removed and reinstalled drivers in months, and MSSE takes an extremely small amount of CPU time to do its thing. The power draw between the two is absolutely minimal, if at all measurable. Sure, Norton and McAfee retail AV sucks donkey balls, but there are very capable and lightweight alternatives to those hilarious sacks of crap, pardon my french.
Windows has moved on since the '98 days, and you only have bloatware if you buy a PC from a manufacturer and don't uninstall it. You should try Windows 7 some time; when properly set up it's extremely good. Much better than the atrocity that was Fis... er... Vista.
You know and understand Linux. I know and understand Windows, because it's my job and because the vast majority of the business desktop world runs on Windows, if not OS X. You no doubt have preconceived notions about how bad Windows is, I have preconceived notions about Linux. That doesn't mean each OS doesn't have its own place, and it doesn't necessarily follow that they are intrinsically bad or useless.
I've checked those two files that the author mentioned with Malware Bytes and NOD32 - harmless.
Still a bad choice naming *.exe files this way.
I'm going to get round to installing a VM in my spare time and test the theory that those files are bad, just because MBAM and NOD32 don't pick them up as being bad, doesn't mean they aren't.
OT:
Calm down I used Linux and Windows in the late 90's through to about 2003, some friends using FreeBSD converted me and it's much better in terms of stability and package management (ports tree rocks!), and no dependency issues at all. I use Linux occasionally and it's come along way, but Windows has come even further imo, since Win9x - Vista was a stepping stone and you need a bad apple even now and then huh?
I have to use Windows because it's what my job requires, I tried Ubuntu and open source office alternatives but nothing touched MS Office, imo. There is no bloatware on my PC because I installed Win7 from scratch after arriving from Dell, it found all my drivers and installed them for me and they all work without any problems. I didn't have to pay for it because the company I work for does, same as Office. The majority of office worker use MS products for a reason, they're good and if they weren't people would be changing to alternatives far quicker than what they are.
PS: I regularly have 2 x XP, 2-3x Win7, 2-3 Linux/BSD and 2-3 Windows 2003/2008 VM's running all at once. Practising migrations needs a lot of machines running and it's cheaper doing it on a beast than have 10 stand alone machines.
BlaY0 said:
Or.. simply stop playing..
Better yet switch to Linux you wouldn't believe how fast can your computer be without all those anti spy/virus bloatware.
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or mac
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or mac
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Mac?
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OS/X is the heathen swine off spring of Jobs' evil empire ! Worst of the lot
(yes it's bsd based, but they raped it and called it their own - swines!)
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...-on-arm-going-to-developers-soon-say-sources/
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-5...-on-arm-going-to-developers-soon-say-sources/
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Yes but it requires 40ish Gb of space, a secure boot image and OEM branding to function... none of which we have so stop posting about it
evil secure boot: if you get one of those, it won't run Android on it (unless someone cracks their keys)
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Yes but it requires 40ish Gb of space, a secure boot image and OEM branding to function... none of which we have so stop posting about it
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so what i dnt think the op was saying it was stable on the tf101so stop being a rudeinconsiderate jerk
Completely off-topic; this thread should be moved to a forum that has anything to do with Windows 8.
And incidentally, Win8 will be the next Vista. It will flop, badly. Microsoft has never managed an even slightly successful touch-screen OS, and Win8 has significant design limitations that will put people off once they finally get to try it.
As much as I agree that Windows 8 may flop, I also disagree about MS never building a decent touchscreen OS. Before Windows 7, absolutely - however the Acer running Windows 7 worked extremely well to my surprise. It worked just as a tablet should and the response time was impressive. Any tablet that has a fan is a fail though, so if it works well on ARM - maybe.....
If Microsoft can make Windows 8 work and improve on the "tiles" portion, I think it could be a reasonable tablet OS.
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so what i dnt think the op was saying it was stable on the tf101so stop being a rudeinconsiderate jerk
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I am sorry that you think that that was inconsiderate it just irritates me when someone opens a new thread for a topic that has already been discussed multiple times in the form of a device that will never get that operating system. There is an entire windows 8 section of XDA and i think that this post would have better served to start a discussion there
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As much as I agree that Windows 8 may flop, I also disagree about MS never building a decent touchscreen OS. Before Windows 7, absolutely - however the Acer running Windows 7 worked extremely well to my surprise. It worked just as a tablet should and the response time was impressive. Any tablet that has a fan is a fail though, so if it works well on ARM - maybe.....
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What percentage of Windows7 users are even aware it can operate with a touch screen, much less use it that way?
I rest my case.
What percentage of iPad users know that tablets can be used for things outside of Angry Birds and porn?
The point isn't that Windows necessarily suck at touchscreen capability, it's just that they don't seem to have attracted much attention with it. Whether it's because they also believe that bull**** Apple has created around tablets and want to be seen as a more serious company... or if they're just too damn slow and big to move quickly, who knows?
(By the way, slightly off topic, but where is the best source to gather all past financial history on Apple and Microsoft??)
I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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Yeah, i really do wonder, how many people are going to buy some w8 tablet thinking that they might run any .exe files from their computer I believe there will be many flames thx to it. Not to mention the catastrophic amount of application after the launch....
And the impossibility to dualboot any other system -> w8 will be doomed and forgotten on arm.
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What percentage of iPad users know that tablets can be used for things outside of Angry Birds and porn?
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A pretty good percentage, I'd say, and the same is true of Android users. However, that straw man has nothing to do with the topic at hand, which is that Microsoft has had nothing but dismal failure with touchscreen features of every product they've offered.
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I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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This is one of the key problems I alluded to, and given the number of people in this very forum who don't understand that issue, the answer is "a lot".
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I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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I'm one. That's actually what I was expecting =[
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blestsol said:
I'm one. That's actually what I was expecting =[
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Apparently, I am one, too. I am sadly mistaken, and was quite bigoted to have thought otherwise.
We have a ASUS see slate at the hospital that I work at. It runs Windows 7 64bit with a Solid state drive and 2 gigs of ram, able to go to 4 gigs. It is actually a very solid machine, And cost effictive for our hospital. Most doctors have dell xt2 tablets they carry around that are POS, cost around 3500. For like 1200 you can get a slate a eeeslate and keyboard.
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What percentage of Windows7 users are even aware it can operate with a touch screen, much less use it that way?
I rest my case.
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Uh, what? I get that the marketing sucks and they only have like 3 tablets out that run Windows 7 (if that), but that doesn't mean it doesn't work well. I'm obviously not saying it is or ever will be as popular as Android/iOS tablets, hahahah.
Microsoft is an OS developer, and until they manufacture the hardware as well (which won't happen) they're going to have to license Windows to tablet manufacturers who actually want to make them. How many manufacturers want to pay a license for Windows when they can just as easily slap Android on any piece of hardware for free? Not to mention they've had to build Windows tablets using x86 architecture all along which isn't cheap when it's not mass-ordered by every other OEM.
That said, my point was that Windows 7 works surprisingly well as a tablet OS, not that it's going to compete for 1st place with the big boys.
Just as Windows Phone 7 is a relative dud, I'm sure Windows 8 ARM will be as well. Not because the OS doesn't work well on a tablet, but because they are FARRRRRR too late in the game. Popular app developers are just now starting to port their catalog to Android, it's not likely that they are going to consider also porting to Windows on ARM when the user base will be virtually non-existent.
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I wonder how many people will think that Windows 8 on tablets will run Windows applications... Windows 8 is heading for disaster consumer confusion will be the order of the day when Microsoft release 2 versions of Windows 8 that are totally different OSes that run different binary apps.
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That's a great point, and I'm sure 90% of the people who buy Windows tablets are going to be people who want to take their desktop applications to a mobile platform.
I guess I just saw a glimmer of hope with the Windows 7 tablet I was surprised by in the store, but I'm being reminded how unlikely it is that Microsoft will ever succeed with any sort of a mobile product for regular consumers.
It's unfortunate, but both Windows 8 in it's tablet form, and Windows Phone 7 are relying on consumer ignorance to succeed.
The Tech news community are the ones at fault here, not highlighting these critical problems with the products, instead banking Microsoft's lucrative "advertising" payments in exchange for saying nice things.
Corporate America ****ing disgusts me. Almost as much as the lack of action by the US government in Microsoft's anti-trust practices.
Looking at the list of categories here, Microsoft have violated most of these at one time, and many they still continue to do so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-competitive_practices
I am waiting for win 8 Arm tablet
I am one waiting for an arm tablet on windows 8.
I was at one point looking forward to Win8 on ARM but after reading about how MS is going to be locking down ARM systems that run Win8 I have no desire any longer. When will MS and for that matter HW manufacturers understand that an ARM tablet is NO different than a white box PC. Leave it open and unlocked and if someone chooses to install Windows, Android, iOS, Linux, etc... let them.
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Hi some time ago when windows 8.1 was still called blue there were some rumours that Micro$oft will merge its two platforms. Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 would share she same Metro apps. This move should give M$ edge over Apple where you could have best of both worlds on single device. It seems now that this idea has been lost somewhere in 8.1 changelog.
So I was looking for revolution but it seems that we will receive just evolution. Oh and for most of the portals major change is the start button! Really?!
You seem to be suffering from some keyboard defect. I suggest you look into that. In the meantime, get back under your bridge.
Hi. Thank you for your reply. My post was to start a discussion about the features of new update and about lack of some expected ones (which maybe still will be announced).
And what was the purpose of your reply?
It was never said that wp8 and w8 would become one and the same. You have misunderstood. Some of the new windows runtime features are coming to windows phone and the services offered were to be merged, but the operating systems themselves were to remain seperate.
>Some of the new windows runtime features are coming to windows phone and the services offered were to be merged, but the operating systems themselves were to remain desperate.
that way I had to misunderstood this (would be a great idea thou). Sort of like universal apps shared between iphone and ipad) I seen few apps which are being announced as both windows 8 and windows phone 8 (check co-pilot or halo) which probably kept me in believing in this. Oh well we will see where windows 8 will evolve.
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that way I had to misunderstood this (would be a great idea thou). Sort of like universal apps shared between iphone and ipad) I seen few apps which are being announced as both windows 8 and windows phone 8 (check co-pilot or halo) which probably kept me in believing in this. Oh well we will see where windows 8 will evolve.
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iPhone and iPad share apps simply because they are the same operating system. The iPad is just a giant iPhone. its the same as how one android phone and another share apps, they are the same thing.
Windows phone and windows 8 are not.
The desperate thing I said above, may be true but autocorrect fail, wrote it from my nexus this morning.
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Hi. Thank you for your reply. My post was to start a discussion about the features of new update and about lack of some expected ones (which maybe still will be announced).
And what was the purpose of your reply?
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Purpose of his post is that you stop using that $ instead of S.
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Oh. I am sorry I didn't know that I hurt his / yours religious feelings.
Unless of course this gentleman refers to his home as "under the bridge" I read his post as simple attempt to offend.
In light of recent E3 news (xbox one- drm management, activation fees, price, Internet connection requirement to work, always-on camera pointing your face and listening all the time which you cannot just unplug) I thing that using $ instead of S is good way to comment the situation.
To end this pointless conversation - unless there there is a XDA rule which prohibits me to do so then please stop trolling and trying to offend other forum members.
Now coming back to 8.1 - is this correct what I understood from brief installation description that if you install this release you will have to reinstall all the programs if you would like to install final release?
"M$" and similar (and I'd apply this statement even to, for example, "$ony" which is a company I personally detest) is most commonly used as trolling behavior online. This is doubly true in a forum devoted to discussing Microsoft products. It's possible you had, and still have, a legit intention to create a meaningful discussion. However, it looked (and to an extent, still looks) like you're merely trying to stir up trouble.
I agree that the XbOne restrictions are nasty, but I have no intention of buying one, and this forum has nothing to do with that product.
The only hint I ever saw regarding merging the app models was a job posting about installing both XAP and APPX packages on the same platform. That's interesting, and does imply a merged app platform, but there's no guarantee it was even going to happen, much less when. To the best of my knowledge, Microsoft never officially said anything to the effect of "we will do this" although there's been rampant speculation since the Win8 beta days.
You are right. I has never been said officially thus my expectations and hopes to see any bits of confirmation during the press conference. When I haven seen any I asked the question here. Still must say I am looking forward this update (probably not for first public beta - if the rumours are true that you will have to reinstall all your applications).
Personally I believe that The Redmond company will need stronger impact to conquer more market right now windows 8 is getting the love it should receive as is being designed for touch but mostly is being use on non-touchscreen laptops and PC. Marked wasn't ready for this. So right approach would be IMO to get more tablet users on their side (look at the latest adverts windows 8 vs iPad). If 8" tablets market is good for win8 is another discussion thou.
But coming back to subject. Has this been confirm that win 8.1 final version cannot be I painless way installed on top of preview?
Cheers
In practice, it's pretty much always possible to do an in-place upgrade via tweaking a few files in the installer or a value in the registry. However, in-place upgrades are a bad enough idea even when they're supported; I really can't endorse doing it on your main system. I may well install the preview in a VM, though.
I think in this case I will rather wait for official final release. Hdd restrictions will not allow me to have more fun on vm. I am already running win8 on bootcamp so no more complications are required
Also partially as an answer to my initial question it has been announced that new halo game for win 8 and win phone 8 will not be a cross buy. These will be two independent apps so no one unified system for now at least.
Yeah, that's been the case for a number of games already. On the plus side, the games *can* still share data between platforms if you have it on boath, and you can earn achievemnts on both... which would matter more if I gave a damn about gamerscore (I've got like 3500, LOL) but some people really care.
Hi all. There is still light at the end of the tunnel (hope it's not a train
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...indows-phone-teams-in-titanic-microsoft-rejig
Ha! Yep I found a virus and both Avast and Norton did not detect it.
The outragious part of it, is that it is a children's game. I am not a gamer, but had been transfering apps from one device to another. Found the game in question had privlages to contacts, email and system info. I blocked it thinking well it may be for developer needs. Since I was getting tired of big name anti virus apps that are too robust for being called an anti virus app. I looked at small and efficient single duty or very close in operation that can properly do the job, google fails miserably at.
Believe it or not I was able to install the app on two other devices that were not rooted and had google app security enabled. So now ya all can see why I disable google internal services as they suck both in battery power and in being capable.
Well anywho... if ya gots childeren below 13, mostlikely their devices or your own have a virus ridden app or two. Good uck if you dont have a proper anti virus app!
what virus?
what does it do?
Donno... just killed it and the game pronto. Game is still on Google Play. Wont advertise the name as many will sendvthe game to their friends and family. Plus I am not paid by google to do their security work. problem is this game is for peeps under 10, so I figure about 20,000,000 kids have it or at least had it on both their tablet or parents phone.
I'm confused. So it wasn't a virus, it was just a game that had permissions to system, and you didn't feel it should?
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Doesn't sound like a virus...just an app with permissions...
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I'm confused. So it wasn't a virus, it was just a game that had permissions to system, and you didn't feel it should?
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My anti virus app noticed it had some sort of virus known by them as infectious. Had already been installed by the end user. I did not bother with isolating further. Killed it and made sure the tablet was good to go. Problem is google, Norton and Avast did not detect it. So I gave up ever using them since then on android. I noticed the anti virus I use on windows now makes a good app for android. Low and behold being simple and small foot print, which I had to hand pick from the mess online... It found what was going on with slow down, over heating and other troubles with network speeds. Once removed, i did not need to wipe and reload a new firmware or factory reset.
I tested a few times, soon after removing it, with my tablet and anti virus app used in cleaning, to find Google was still allowing the virus ridden app to be distributed.
Obviously a game made for below 10 year of age does not get much looks at by the Android community. Thinking kiddie gamers are safe. They have no credit info, contacts worth spamming, and are filled with junk pix. Low and behold kiddie gamers are gold for spyware, hackers, and thieves as they are a true Trojan Horse to get into infrastructures on bring you kids day at corporate places, and sniff home systems behind firewalls.
I may sound a bit too out there, but this stuff has always been my fear since 2000. We ignore kids on their devices and allow them to do what they want as far as downloads that don't cost money, or share files between themselves indescriminently.
Virus on Android is near impossible without root due to the way android runs app in sandbox. Less so on the app store. I doubt that it was a true virus, maybe Spyware depending on how your scanner defines it.
Those free children's games are full of ad analytics and collect way too much information. Many of them are spamy but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a virus.
I am unaware of any virus on Android that has spread via the app store. Either way better safe than sorry with those poorly made junk games.
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Now that I have a new 4.4 build that is more locked down, I will attempt to install the app once more, to verify if it is a Virus or Trojan... the later could then attach like a virus through messaging. Since the new stagefright hack that effects media server can hit 80% of all android devices being used to date. No it may not self replicate, but do the damage without really having to send itself to others. Just send a payload. The new and better way for virus architecture. Will look up if I can remember the game, and post my findings.
HA! They must have found the virus... As of end of March the new update corrected the issue. They did not release any info about the fix, but stated there was a bug fix. Bug is loose term for virus in this case.
Well let's see... the first iteration was about 6 months older than the one I updated with in early March. So who knows how many peeps got it and did not know.
Pretty sad that developers will not tell you what they fix when releasing updates. They blind cover with needed fixes and improvements. Bah! Sux hind tit my friends.
Speaking at the RSA security conference in San Francisco*on Tuesday, Adrian Ludwig, director of Android security, said the*Stagefright hole*– which prompted the Chocolate Factory to start emitting low-level security patches on a monthly basis – did put 95 per cent of Android devices at risk of attack. However, there have been no “confirmed” cases of infections via the bug, Ludwig claimed
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/15/google_stagefright_android_bug_zero_success/
Nothing but hype as I said before no confirmed cases of anyone able to use the Stagefright bug in a attack in the wild.
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jasonf1984 said:
Speaking at the RSA security conference in San Francisco*on Tuesday, Adrian Ludwig, director of Android security, said the*Stagefright hole*– which prompted the Chocolate Factory to start emitting low-level security patches on a monthly basis – did put 95 per cent of Android devices at risk of attack. However, there have been no “confirmed” cases of infections via the bug, Ludwig claimed
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/15/google_stagefright_android_bug_zero_success/
Nothing but hype as I said before no confirmed cases of anyone able to use the Stagefright bug in a attack in the wild.
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I was speaking of the media server bug. Simple code from java script or email to open a media file can break media server, which allows code to be executed at root level. Just clicking on a link opens the back door. There Is a lot of peeps worried about this high level bug within android, and was found of recent. Probably bigger than stagefright and heart bleed combined.
I think that the last release of 4.4.2 with country code of BRI will have a wee more fixes... Only 3 that stands out that need to be applied for kitkat to be bug free.
Unfortunately I am not in Taiwan and rather have UK firmware. Maybe a good dev can make a recovery flash file to allow verification between the fixes I see as pending.
I think you are just overreacting.
an app had broad permissions that likely didn't need. So it was a shady app.
that's not a virus. just lousy practice on the programming side. Don't install it and be done, many many apps like that. But not a virus.
that or your definition of virus is not the usual one (for instance, it did not replicate itself).
profedrini said:
I think you are just overreacting.
an app had broad permissions that likely didn't need. So it was a shady app.
that's not a virus. just lousy practice on the programming side. Don't install it and be done, many many apps like that. But not a virus.
that or your definition of virus is not the usual one (for instance, it did not replicate itself).
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It did have a variant name to the virus when detected. No other anti virus app detected it. Permissions is one thing but this was a virus.
Give me a break! No wonder android peeps are so blind, permissions are permissions and should not be detected as a virus, though if detecting security that is a different thing all together.
I think anti virus apps that have extra features like security checks confuse the bajeebus out of peeps on detection. Don't know the difference between virus and permissions when obviously being told a virus is found, they jump to app permissions.
A virus does not need to replicate to the system to be a virus. Just send a script to launch on another device to have the device infect its self by action. Pretty simple and very effective, especially when the anti virus app does not detect the media script crashing media server and starting the mess of running root and loading what ever off of some server.