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Photo quality (with pictures)

Here are the first photos I have seen on the web.
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-ace-en.shtml#4
(edit: more shots in post #6 below)
It probably doesn't come as a surprise to most of you: the iphone is still king.
It is sad that such an expensive phone with an 8M pixels camera still makes such poor pictures in 2010/2011, when my 10 years old 3M pixels Fuji camera (which is far from high end) has been making perfect shots for the past 10 years.
After the iphone with its great camera and the galaxy s with its great super amoled screen, HTC comes out with a new high end dream phone: old gen LCD screen and old gen camera. (Oh yeah, it does have a faster CPU and more RAM - this should make me feel much better, considering the Desire/N1 was almost unusable with its bad performance..... /sarcasm off).
Seriously, there's no excuse when the iphone can do so much better with a 5M camera.
Ok, these were taken with an engineering sample. But knowing HTC, do you believe this can improve when it releases in 2 weeks?
PS: and for those wondering about the video quality, it isn't better than what we have seen from the Desire, but the fps is more stable thanks to the faster cpu: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8202670&postcount=83

HTC simply doesn't give a rat's ass about photo & external speakers quality. That's all fine and dandy, but then they shouldn't label their devices with "HD" when they clearly aren't hd.
It's a shame that Nokia N8, whose only downside is that unlucky Symbian OS, will be cheaper than Desire HD. Actually, it's the other way around, it's a shame Desire HD will be more expensive than N8.
think imma skip this one. In fact, I'll skip all HTC's untill they start using better cameras and better speakers.

Photos were taken under poor lighting conditions, which effect the white balance, and noise and they are blurry (slow shutter speed).
Not the ideal test imo... I'd rather wait for some outdoor performance.

Iphone - King?
was just wondering... since when has the iphone become King of pictures?
I dunno about Iphone4, but when I compare the 3gs with my Desire, the Desire clearly takes better pictures, and in bad light conditions, the Iphone wont even shoot a decent picture (no flash) :/
If someone is the king of picture/video it must be sony ericsson.
Even though, I still think HTC makes quiet okay pictures outdoors in daylight.
Haven't heard of Iphone beeing better at this?

larsn84 said:
was just wondering... since when has the iphone become King of pictures?
I dunno about Iphone4, but when I compare the 3gs with my Desire, the Desire clearly takes better pictures, and in bad light conditions, the Iphone wont even shoot a decent picture (no flash) :/
If someone is the king of picture/video it must be sony ericsson.
Even though, I still think HTC makes quiet okay pictures outdoors in daylight.
Haven't heard of Iphone beeing better at this?
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Well, we are talking about new phones coming out in 2010/2011, so of course I am talking about the iphone 4 and not the old iphone 3. Furthermore, keep in mind that you are comparing a new 2010 Desire with the old iphone 3.
In every comparative review I have seen the iphone 4 camera always comes out on top. It takes pictures that are at the beginning of something worth keeping, whereas the HTC cameras are just "okay", as you say, good enough if you want to show something to someone, but who would want to keep such horrible pictures in their photo album?
The iphone 4 shots, while not perfect, are something you can keep.
Anyway, we'll be seeing some more shots soon; I am still hoping for the best

Some more shots on this page: http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/?prod_id=4018&tid=4509706
The 8MP quality is quite poor, but the advantage with such a high resolution, is that once you resize the pictures and make them smaller it isn't bad at all anymore.
I think a good test would be to take a pic with the iphone 4 at 5MP and the same pic with the Desire HD at 8MP, and then resize it to 5MP to compare.
(reload the page if the pics don't load, or go to the above link and then reload the page. The remote site seems a little strange at times)

larsn84 said:
I dunno about Iphone4,
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There goes your problem. The iPhone 4 really is very good at taking pics.
They became the king of pictures since the iPhone 4.
The video capture is also very good. Even better than those mini camcoders.
Check out the sample shots from the same site.
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/apple-iphone4-en.shtml#8
Saying that, the lighting condition wasn't fair in the Desire HD review.

BigMango said:
Some more shots on this page: http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/?prod_id=4018&tid=4509706
The 8MP quality is quite poor, but the advantage with such a high resolution, is that once you resize the pictures and make them smaller it isn't bad at all anymore.
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very true.
My laptop at 1600x900 is pretty high res, but i still need to make the 8mpx shots smaller to see the whole pic. After resizing the quality looks pretty damn good. Much sharper.

I hate iphone but fact is iphone pixture quality is brilliant compared to any htc phone. I'm fan of htc but do feel let down by their camera, video and sound quality. Having said this I well probably still purchase dhd as everything else they do pretty well im comparison to any other smartphone.
Htc always promises great things but tend to short change thier loyal customers with their cheap skate antics.

Early indications show that the camera in the HTC Desire isn't noticeably better (if at all) than the Desire - have to say that for a high end phone costing nearly £500 this is disappointing at best!
wywywywy said:
There goes your problem. The iPhone 4 really is very good at taking pics.
They became the king of pictures since the iPhone 4.
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Not sure I agree with that. Most pupular perhaps but certainly not the best. Nokia have always had Apple licked in this department and I can't see that changing any time soon.
One of the big let downs of the Desire for me was the camera and audio quality, if this has not been improved I see no reason to dash out and buy these new models.

Early indications show that the camera in the HTC Desire isn't noticeably better (if at all) than the Desire - have to say that for a high end phone costing nearly £500 this is disappointing at best!
One of the big let downs of the Desire for me was the camera and audio quality, if this has not been improved I see no reason to dash out and buy these new models.
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There goes your problem. The iPhone 4 really is very good at taking pics.
They became the king of pictures since the iPhone 4.
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Not sure I agree with that. Most p0pular perhaps but certainly not the best. Nokia have always had Apple licked in this department and I can't see that changing any time soon.

Right now all I am concerned about is the audio quality for recording. The evo had sucky sound quality from recording video, because of the stupid AMR codec, have they fixed that yet or what?

mupet0000 said:
Right now all I am concerned about is the audio quality for recording. The evo had sucky sound quality from recording video, because of the stupid AMR codec, have they fixed that yet or what?
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judging from the videos posted here, the DHD records in AAC format, with a sampling rate of 44.1 KHz at 65 Kbps. I think this is an improvement, but im not sure of the EVO's output. If someone knows where i can download an evo clip to compare..

SupremeBeaver said:
judging from the videos posted here, the DHD records in AAC format, with a sampling rate of 44.1 KHz at 65 Kbps. I think this is an improvement, but im not sure of the EVO's output. If someone knows where i can download an evo clip to compare..
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Yeah I just now watched this clip of the DHD and I'm happy with it, a LOT better sounding than the evo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VGxi9X3wzo
This is an evo clip I watched, but there are many on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_SPR_3wNQ0

mupet0000 said:
Yeah I just now watched this clip of the DHD and I'm happy with it, a LOT better sounding than the evo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VGxi9X3wzo
This is an evo clip I watched, but there are many on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_SPR_3wNQ0
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It would be preferable to compare with the original clip, not one uploaded to youtube. I'll do some snooping.
edit: looks like the EVO only does 8 Khz compared to the DHD's 44 Khz. Not sure on the bitrate though.
second edit: EVO records audio at 12.8 kbps compared to DHD's 65 kbps. Huge difference.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...evo-4gs-720p-hd-video-camera-paris-in-videos/

If the figures are correct then it's very promising. However the youtube clip is not making me excited about the quality. I certainly hope it's better then the evo but I have lowered my expections as far as the camera, video quality is concerned. This way I won't be dissappointed. Simples.
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The i-Phone may now be good at shooting but it's definitely not the King.
Have you seen shots and video taken on the Galaxy S?
They are amazing.
This is part down to a very good sensor with a nice low 2.3 f-stop making it ideal for low light shooting.
I was hoping so much for the Desire HD but if what is so far seen to go by there is nothing to whet my appetite.

Beards said:
The i-Phone may now be good at shooting but it's definitely not the King.
Have you seen shots and video taken on the Galaxy S?
They are amazing.
This is part down to a very good sensor with a nice low 2.3 f-stop making it ideal for low light shooting.
I was hoping so much for the Desire HD but if what is so far seen to go by there is nothing to whet my appetite.
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According to the dozens of reviews and comparative tests I have seen, the Iphone 4 always comes out on top.
Yes, the Galaxy S is good (most of the time comes out 2nd behind the iphone4), but Iphone 4 is better.
For example, here is iphone 4 vs android video comparison (galaxy s, desire and nexus one): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_v4EJT3aTg (at 0:22 you can click on each phone to get the big video for each).
As you can see, the iphone 4 is far above everything else (but I agree the Galaxy is not bad).
As for photo, here:
Galaxy S: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_p9pmpIdf0q4/TI5bjpyyxuI/AAAAAAAAAi8/tfNGrB8CsGI/s1600/S16.jpg
Iphone 4: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_p9pmpIdf0q4/TI5bi08vgZI/AAAAAAAAAi0/9-6SJY9Bkzw/s1600/I16.JPG
And there's more here (iphone 4 vs galaxy s): http://androidhd.blogspot.com/2010/09/test-iphone-4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s.html
Seriously, once you have seen the many comparisons on the net you can only see that the Iphone 4 being better really isn't open to discussion. (and no I never had and probably never will have an iphone).
edit: but I agree, the galaxy s is very good in low light conditions. Many complain about the absence of flash, but it does much better without a flash than most other phones with flash do.

BigMango said:
Seriously, once you have seen the many comparisons on the net you can only see that the Iphone 4 being better really isn't open to discussion. (and no I never had and probably never will have an iphone).
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Apologies and I say this with all sincerity but I don't need to see or read the comments on the net.
My remarks are based on actual usage of the GS and first-hand observations of the Desire and i-Phone 4 operating at the same time.
I don't know who took the shot using the GS but they most certainly did not use the phone correctly... It is exceptionally bad.
All it takes is for the lens to be very slightly to the right/left/up/down of a another shot to pick up differing light patterns which in turn can cause all manner of display issue.
I have no issue whatsoever with the i-Phone's camera, indeed it very good and a marked improvement over the i-Phone 3g.
But from a personal point of view I find it difficult to accept it being termed 'The King'..... But each to their own and I most certainly would not knock your opinion or observation.

Beards said:
Apologies and I say this with all sincerity but I don't need to see or read the comments on the net.
My remarks are based on actual usage of the GS and first-hand observations of the Desire and i-Phone 4 operating at the same time.
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Well, to me dozens of different testers (some amateurs and some professionals) can't be wrong. Especially when the iphone 4 never failed to come out on top.
And I really did a lot of research on this as I was about to get a GS myself (before deciding to wait for the Desire HD).
But of course, I am glad you are very pleased with the GS. This is the most important in the end, isn't it.
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I don't know who took the shot using the GS but they most certainly did not use the phone correctly... It is exceptionally bad.
All it takes is for the lens to be very slightly to the right/left/up/down of a another shot to pick up differing light patterns which in turn can cause all manner of display issue.
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So lets summarize the Galaxy S:
- Buggy GPS, sometimes it works for some people, sometimes it doesn't
- Laggy phone, sometimes it lags... sometimes not...
- Buggy camera, sometimes it works great for some people, sometimes it doesn't...
Iphone 4: it just works.
Beards said:
But from a personal point of view I find it difficult to accept it being termed 'The King'..... But each to their own and I most certainly would not knock your opinion or observation.
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Well, that's not just my opinion. It's the conclusions of almost all of the testers on the web, amateurs and professionals as well.
By the way, I have posted several supportive links. Where are yours? (just kidding, this is a Desire HD thread after all)

[Q] Does camera really sucks ?

Hi,
so i'm looking for any information about Nexus 4, as i'm trying to get one, but i see in some posts that the camera sucks... I also check this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2039553 and i would know if anyone could post a pic before/after the mod. Just to see what is the real pic quality.
Thanks !

A lot more noise compared to gf s3
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2005445&highlight=camera

Sucks is a pretty strong word. There are plenty of sample pics in the N4 forums so do a search or simply look through the threads in General.
There is a lot of noise in low light... but this is common with tiny sensors. In good light it is capable of very good photos, but saturation and sharpening are a bit laid back. As an experienced photographer I actually prefer this as opposed to other cameras that pump these up by default. Always easier to add then to subtract in post.
Compared to the best phoneCam out there (iPhone), the weakest link is the lens. It is exceptionally prone to flare, and resolution tends to fall off steeply in the corners and there is not alot you can do with these in post. All in all I think it is a pretty good camera for a phone, and if you know what you're doing you will get good shots.

I would just say it's mediocre. It's okay in good light but is worthless in low light conditions.
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Coming from a S3, I'm not disappointed.

Coming from a Galaxy Nexus the camera is great.

Coming from a N8, heavily disappointed.
Yah, terrible comparison, I know.

My s3 did have a better camera but I wouldn't say it sucks I still like it a lot and it gets the job done. The only thing I don't like is it keeps auto focusing even if I'm holding it still i prefer to just hold the center blue button to focus and take a picture
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its not as good as the gs2 either. there is a lot of noise, even in daylight. hdr is a must for low light pics. the imagine software in barebones android leaves a lot to be desired.

phermey said:
its not as good as the gs2 either. there is a lot of noise, even in daylight. hdr is a must for low light pics. the imagine software in barebones android leaves a lot to be desired.
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it really does, it creates alot of noise. i had an ipod touch 4g before this and that camera sucked so i thought this would be a huge upgrade, but it really not. i also bought an ipod touch 5g and the 5g's camera is better than the nexus

Jess813 said:
Coming from a S3, I'm not disappointed.
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Please!!!! Coming from a s3, I'm disappointed.
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Seems fine to me.

nbell13 said:
Seems fine to me.
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that picture looks muted. all of the vibrancy of the bright sunny day is gone.
and when you click twice on it for 100% view... there is a slew of noise. the camera is decent from what people say. its the imagings software that leaves a lot to be desired. but... its a dev phone. so what else should we expect?

phermey said:
that picture looks muted. all of the vibrancy of the bright sunny day is gone.
and when you click twice on it for 100% view... there is a slew of noise. the camera is decent from what people say. its the imagings software that leaves a lot to be desired. but... its a dev phone. so what else should we expect?
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I do notice the noise in the sky, I just choose not to care. It's a phone, after all Also it was approaching sunset, wasn't very vibrant anymore to begin with. Sure as hell beats the camera on the Galaxy Nexus.

Is there any app available that can improve the picture quality?

nbell13 said:
Sure as hell beats the camera on the Galaxy Nexus.
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but it isnt as good as my gs2 with old tech
crownua6 said:
Is there any app available that can improve the picture quality?
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i am sure there are apps that will clean it up.

Coming from a htc sensation, same quality. 10% worse maybe. Panorama is rubbish compared to the sensation though.

my Nexus S with 5MP did a better job

Yep, camera isn't good,. Video too. Focus is dodgy on both and the microphones and sound quality on video is ****. The video and audio bit rate is way too low.
Very disappointed coming from a s2.
In fact once the s4 comes out I'm going straight back to Samsung .. Even if it means I don't get the latest android versions.
The n4 is slick but that's about it. Lets face it, it's heavy and quite thick, battery is crap, camera and sound quality is crap, the build quality is questionable.. Mine creaks above the volume and the buttons are loose, it's fragile has no SD card, has no removable battery.
Now the hype has gone its meh.

HTC One vs. Samsung Galaxy S4 stabilization test

Htc one again
I think for sure i will keep my order on the htc one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfqeuY_dWmE

Ouch...
S4 looks very bad (also, what's up with the color)? But the comments are even funnier - some people are really butthurt.

the comments are funny..
apart from that.. the video on the one looks excellent
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AW: HTC One vs. Samsung Galaxy S4 stabilization test
Brilliant device... Got the one for 5 days now and I'm really impressed! Just everything is gr8!
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The comments are funny, but my need to tell all these **** the facts is hard. I made this post for them:
"Ok people, read.
1. This video is posted by GSMArena. They don't post fake stuff.
2. GSMArena always gets devices early, it's been like this for years.
3. The S4 is not zoomed in, the HTC One has a wider lens, hence you see more.
4. The HTC One has OIS (Optical Image Stabilization), the S4 has only Digital Image Stabilization at best. That's something that also makes a big difference.
These are all facts. In video, the One wins. But photo's will surely look sharper on the S4."
They think it's fake & that the S4 is zoomed in... lol. :") The video on the One looks good, but it's more fun to see the S4 fans cry lol. And they should, at least based on this comparison.

XDA mark said:
The comments are funny, but my need to tell all these **** the facts is hard. I made this post for them:
"Ok people, read.
1. This video is posted by GSMArena. They don't post fake stuff.
2. GSMArena always gets devices early, it's been like this for years.
3. The S4 is not zoomed in, the HTC One has a wider lens, hence you see more.
4. The HTC One has OIS (Optical Image Stabilization), the S4 has only Digital Image Stabilization at best. That's something that also makes a big difference.
These are all facts. In video, the One wins. But photo's will surely look sharper on the S4."
They think it's fake & that the S4 is zoomed in... lol. :") The video on the One looks good, but it's more fun to see the S4 fans cry lol. And they should, at least based on this comparison.
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Thats good news

Man, what a difference. I don't even think my s3 is that bad compared to the s4 or maybe just never realized it?
The One definitely takes the cake here.
Sent from a galaxy far away!

Well every day I feel better about having choose the One as my next phone

I find these camera reviews to be so subjective, I've seen the GS4 video on other sites and it looks better than the HTC One. Also the GS4 image stabilization was never that bad, maybe they have it turned off or something and have weird settings. You could tell they were moving the GS4 faster than the HTC One as well...
Like I said these comparisons are bull****.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x802Nfiz6Dg
Now the HTC One and GS4 are both in there somewhere...
We'll find out which phone is which at one stage.
What I have noticed however is cameras are rather subjective, there is no "best" camera.

slannmage said:
You could tell they were moving the GS4 faster than the HTC One as well...
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This was a side by side comparison.
They were moved at the exact same time at the exact same speed.
The lack of image stabilization ability the Galaxy S 4 portrayed in this video is what made it appear faster :beer:
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It's funny how the S4 forums here in XDA has a lot of vs HTC One threads. Looks like S4 is really threatened.

notsointeresting said:
This was a side by side comparison.
They were moved at the exact same time at the exact same speed.
The lack of image stabilization ability the Galaxy S 4 portrayed in this video is what made it appear faster :beer:
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Didn't Samsung say it had Image Stabilization? I thought I've seen this in several reports too, what's weird is they've said on that site that the GS4 has better low light performance and yet many other sites say otherwise.
I think it's all rather subjective atm to how people set up the settings, I mean if they were both on default it could explain why as my 808 by default has image stabilization off and produces horrible low light pictures and is only 5MP......
It's no good have stuff on default settings, you need to set the camera up to the situation and produce the best pictures the phone allows you.
I'm not buying either of these phones, I'm more inclined to go the HTC One cause it looks nicer, that said I'm not impressed by either of them.
Yeh in fact on the GS4's list of specs for the Camera...
Primary 13 MP, 4128 x 3096 pixels, autofocus, LED flash
Features Dual Shot, Simultaneous HD video and image recording, geo-tagging, touch focus, face and smile detection, image stabilization, HDR

marchitecto said:
It's funny how the S4 forums here in XDA has a lot of vs HTC One threads. Looks like S4 is really threatened.
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This is the HTC One forum and not the S4 forum

which one should i go for one or s4?? which is better???

tejkkarani said:
which one should i go for one or s4?? which is better???
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get both and return the less favored in 7 days. :good:

Clear winner from gsm arena battle: HTC One :good:

vegetaleb said:
Clear winner from gsm arena battle: HTC One :good:
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Yeah but the quality of that looks strange. My S III and Note II both had much better quality than that so I will not give the victory to the One just based on that When I get mine in my hands I will decide myself

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UltraPixel images from Professional Photographer...What do you think?

Well, HTC gave the One to professional photographers and the outcome was those great images! What do you think?
Source: http://blog.htc.com/2013/03/htc-one-photography/?NS01

WoW...
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While they are good, I've got to say I've seen the One's camera take better quality photos.

saw those, if im honest, i dont think theyre overly impressive, the feather is nice though
but its impossible to tell if theyre "good" or not without knowing the conditions they were shot in.
im assuming they were all shot in fairly low light with no flash based on the background, in which case yea, the colours are impressive - im surprised HTC didn't say that though
lack of detail is clear though even when full screen on computer

I agree.. Some people still have a doubt about this camera, but its taking great images. I have my own Canon camera when going on trips or travel. But this camera is great enough for my daily use.
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djbenny1 said:
saw those, if im honest, i dont think theyre overly impressive, the feather is nice though
but its impossible to tell if theyre "good" or not without knowing the conditions they were shot in.
im assuming they were all shot in fairly low light with no flash based on the background, in which case yea, the colours are impressive - im surprised HTC didn't say that though
lack of detail is clear though even when full screen on computer
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You're over thinking it too much in my opinion. Does it really matter what was the setting or conditions they were taken in? Not everyone cares about taking a perfect photo but one that looks appealing to the person taking it.
I'm pretty sure those pictures were taken in the perfect setting and conditions and the look great in my opinion. That tells me that some one with not such great conditions and not a professional will be able to take very descent photos.
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For a mobile phone 1st of all those pics are great, can't believe people can be so critical. If you want top quality photos go and by a DLSR
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coupetastic-droid said:
You're over thinking it too much in my opinion. Does it really matter what was the setting or conditions they were taken in? Not everyone cares about taking a perfect photo but one that looks appealing to the person taking it.
I'm pretty sure those pictures were taken in the perfect setting and conditions and the look great in my opinion. That tells me that some one with not such great conditions and not a professional will be able to take very descent photos.
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how am i overthinking it?
in good light, my 2 year old htc incredible S would take more detailed pictures than those - like i said, even if you look at them full screen on an HD monitor, the quality is poor
but again, like i said - the light looks like it wasn't good, in which case yes they are pretty impressive, but without knowing the conditions they were taken in it is impossible to know

I think they are great for a phone! I would rather have better low light pictures than bigger images. They only thing I want HTC fix is exposure in both pictures and videos. It seems some conditions pictures get over/under exposed and in videos the exposure auto adjust is too slow.

djbenny1 said:
how am i overthinking it?
in good light, my 2 year old htc incredible S would take more detailed pictures than those - like i said, even if you look at them full screen on an HD monitor, the quality is poor
but again, like i said - the light looks like it wasn't good, in which case yes they are pretty impressive, but without knowing the conditions they were taken in it is impossible to know
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here's a photo i took very quickly on my incredible S - the detail is far greater than the marbles, for example.
yes, the light is very good in my photo, but the point im trying to make is that the htc photos aren't very good IMO unless you consider they were taken in very low light - but they didnt say they were.... and most people will probably click the full size image and think the same thing as me, and that is that they are really lacking in detail
in other words, as far as photos that "showcase" the overall quality of the One camera go, those ones are poor representations

djbenny1 said:
here's a photo i took very quickly on my incredible S - the detail is far greater than the marbles, for example.
yes, the light is very good in my photo, but the point im trying to make is that the htc photos aren't very good IMO unless you consider they were taken in very low light - but they didnt say they were.... and most people will probably click the full size image and think the same thing as me, and that is that they are really lacking in detail
in other words, as far as photos that "showcase" the overall quality of the One camera go, those ones are poor representations
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Most android phone will take a great picture like your example but thats because of the lighting is perfect. What matters is a phone will take a perfect picture In low lighting
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Andrew149 said:
Most android phone will take a great picture like your example but thats because of the lighting is perfect. What matters is a phone will take a perfect picture In low lighting
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totally agree
but HTC didn't say "here are some photos taken by professional photographers in very low light, look how great the colours are!"
to those that don't know any better, those are just "photos taken by professional photographers" - and to those people, they probably don't look very good.
i know they're relatively good, because i can see the lighting is poor - most of the people who saw HTCs post won't know that

You people are crazy of you don't think those pictures take with the one aren't good.
What is wrong with you? For one, its a phone camera, not a dlsr. If you want amazing pictures, then spend your hard earned money on that. Who knows, maybe you have a future as a professional photographer, lol!
And DJ, don't you have an HTC one? If so, you get quite defensive in the s4 forums, yet here you are in the One forums doing the same thing.
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The most important photo is actually the first One
HTC is using the fastest shutter time in the industry, if HTC went ahead and used long exposure times instead, the quality will be multiplied
but for a mobile device in your pocket this shutter speed is essential you can grab anything without worrying about blurring it (hint Lumia 920)
the fact that ZOE start buffering action before you even press the shutter is a testament how everyone is underestimating this ability
here is another example of the shutter speed (the high contrast is because I have auto enhanced it with my One X)

Those shots are sadly not real world as it is easy to see they have been taken with professional lighting rigs. (multiple light sources, none from the direction of the lense). They are impressive but I prefer real people's examples.
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JesseMT4G said:
You people are crazy of you don't think those pictures take with the one aren't good.
What is wrong with you? For one, its a phone camera, not a dlsr. If you want amazing pictures, then spend your hard earned money on that. Who knows, maybe you have a future as a professional photographer, lol!
And DJ, don't you have an HTC one? If so, you get quite defensive in the s4 forums, yet here you are in the One forums doing the same thing.
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Don't know what you mean by defensive.
The detail in the pictures is poor. I don't care what anyone says, I can see that with MY eyes. The colours in the pictures is good, I can see that with MY eyes. With my eyes I can also see that yes there is professional lighting in these photos, so it is stupid of HTC to provide these photos as a showcase to Joe Public - no one else will shoot in those conditions.
Yea, I'm about to get my One back, and I loved it while I had it, and will love it when I get it back; that doesn't stop me from being impartial with regards to the One / GS4 debate.
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Don't know what you mean by defensive.
The detail in the pictures is poor. I don't care what anyone says, I can see that with MY eyes. The colours in the pictures is good, I can see that with MY eyes. With my eyes I can also see that yes there is professional lighting in these photos, so it is stupid of HTC to provide these photos as a showcase to Joe Public - no one else will shoot in those conditions.
Yea, I'm about to get my One back, and I loved it while I had it, and will love it when I get it back; that doesn't stop me from being impartial with regards to the One / GS4 debate.
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You have extremely high standards for a camera on....a phone. Ultra pixel or not, it is still just a camera....on a phone.
Which IMO does quite well actually. I mean I don't think many of us on here are professional photographer's, so its in the end a regular persons opinion.
Everyone pretends to be an expert though....
And I am sorry you get your pants rustled pretty good in that huge thread you have going over there in the s4 thread. You basically back whatever you can in the One, yet somehow do opposite on this thread about the One.
I don't get it and have a hard time taking someone seriously when you are so wishy-washy.
Again, just my opinion, lol!
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JesseMT4G said:
You have extremely high standards for a camera on....a phone. Ultra pixel or not, it is still just a camera....on a phone.
Which IMO does quite well actually. I mean I don't think many of us on here are professional photographer's, so its in the end a regular persons opinion.
Everyone pretends to be an expert though....
And I am sorry you get your pants rustled pretty good in that huge thread you have going over there in the s4 thread. You basically back whatever you can in the One, yet somehow do opposite on this thread about the One.
I don't get it and have a hard time taking someone seriously when you are so wishy-washy.
Again, just my opinion, lol!
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What's hard to understand?
Some people over there make stupid claims about the One, and I am quick to set them straight. Likewise here some people are so blinded by fanboyism they can't admit there is anything to improve upon in the One.
Both types annoy me equally.
I don't know what you are trying to accuse me of here, being impartial? Lol... Although I will admit that yes it can be a rare sight on the forums...
Also please tell me at what point did I say the One wasn't a good camera?
I commented on those photos, stating that I didn't think they were a very good marketing tool, as personally I don't think they are overly good. Do you have a problem with that statement?
Really not sure what you're trying to accomplish here?
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I will say one thing.
HTC One will and it make pictures around 600kb - 1.3mb.
Those photos have 2.5MB (even 13mpx cameras with no comprassion hardly get this value).
So people, those photos are not fake, but also not HTC One photos.
Move on...

The declared megapixels of this camera are 4MP, the declared reason is bucking the megapixel race, the declared usage is social media, the promised compensation is the low MP are good low light performance which delivers as well as fast shutter speed
There are no surprises about the lack of detail
Its like agonizing that a certain car can only do its stated HP

Pictures Taken With M8

Post pictures taken with your M8.
Kindly PM me with the link/poster information and I will feature your gallery/photos below this post
HTC M8 Camera Collective by Hamdir
M8 Samples
Hamdir
Rick Takagi
RSK01
Colby Brown Photography
TETJK
Engadget Gallery
Gavinfabl
UgXvibe
Jose Jacas
Soulreaver99
MrFuZZy92

The pictures are poor. You're gonna have some good, some bad, but overall the camera is poor. Especially when zooming at all.
The camera app itself is snappy and it'll focus fast, but this ultra pixel with 4mp just isn't gonna get it. There is 2 year old technology cranking out better, more consistent pictures.
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Rippley05 said:
The pictures are poor. You're gonna have some good, some bad, but overall the camera is poor. Especially when zooming at all.
The camera app itself is snappy and it'll focus fast, but this ultra pixel with 4mp just isn't gonna get it. There is 2 year old technology cranking out better, more consistent pictures.
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Do you have one? Or speculation? Just wondering
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He's been bashing the M8 all day. Camera is decent just not enough megapixels for his liking.

Tell me that the photos from Engadget are fake!
They look horrible

Ive seen a couple short hands on reviews that say the M8 pics are no better than the M7. The only thing the M8 has going for it in the camera department is speed and that new refocusing feature....which one reviewer said doesnt really work that well. Hmmm

They were over-compressed and they've reposted the originals at http://www.flickr.com/photos/phonewisdom/sets/72157642913906483/

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They were over-compressed and they've reposted the originals at http://www.flickr.com/photos/phonewisdom/sets/72157642913906483/
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Call me crazy, but I think those look perfectly fine?

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They were over-compressed and they've reposted the originals at http://www.flickr.com/photos/phonewisdom/sets/72157642913906483/
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Now they look good! I got scared at first, now here's the answer
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Call me crazy, but I think those look perfectly fine?
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Yeah, um, those Flickr photos look more than acceptable for me. I don't need the best camera if I'm getting the best screen, audio quality, and experience that the M8 will surely offer as the M7 did. The camera is literally secondary (or, well, further than that) than all of those areas and, even then, it's not really bad at all.

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Call me crazy, but I think those look perfectly fine?
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NO.
NOT ENOUGH MEGAPIXELS.
/s
In all seriousness, when it comes down to cutting costs on a smartphone design, camera would be the first thing on my list too. Would you rather it be made of cheap plastic, not have front facing speakers or have a smaller battery?
I'd take superior hardware/build over a great camera any day. I know we want it all, but it seems like we just can't have it all. At least not til the M9.
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I'm sold. I'm no Pro Photographer but those pics look near perfect to me.

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I'm sold. I'm no Pro Photographer but those pics look near perfect to me.
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IMAG0065 that night time pic...looks really really really bad. but for the most part its not bad. Matter of fact all the night time ones are really bad towards the end .

In complete and utter seriousness guys (not being a fanboy either) I was MORE than pleased with the camera on the M7. That was my primary concern that I debated over for months before getting the M7 - giving up my iPhone 5 which took awesome pics was a difficult choice. Hands down, I'm more than excited to get back to Android (had to go back to my iPhone 5 due to selling my M7). The true wide angle 16:9 is so awesome and the pics were great. Overall, I felt like I was able to regularly capture more accurate color representations with the M7. Low light was pretty great too.
I will say, there were a few times where I was left wishing I could crop to a larger size and retain image quality. However, for me personally, it wasn't a big enough issue for me to ditch the phone, as I don't need to do that often enough. If you're someone who is perpetually cropping, this probably isn't going to work for you.
Also, I used to have an album of pics I took on my phone to show people when they'd play with it. I received soooo many compliments on the pics I took and more people saying "This phone has such an amazing camera" never knowing it was only 1/2 the MP's as their phones.
I understand and agree with the major drawbacks of it, however, as an overall quick shooter to the ability to take your time and change settings to get an optimal pic, it blew me away quite a few times. That's more than I could ever say about my iPhone.
Addition: there was a thread I saw with M7 vs. M8 photos and the colors looked quite a bit better and more crisp on the M8. I'm excited to see what I can do with it.

although the MP is disappointing, the strengths of the phone outweigh a blunder such as that I think. It's not like the camera is crap, it's just average for current times. We just had higher expectations as we should have especially compared to last year's. I would say the camera is "adequate"

Rippley05 said:
The pictures are poor. You're gonna have some good, some bad, but overall the camera is poor. Especially when zooming at all.
The camera app itself is snappy and it'll focus fast, but this ultra pixel with 4mp just isn't gonna get it. There is 2 year old technology cranking out better, more consistent pictures.
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I have the phone actually. Not just making assumptions and the camera isn't bad. The software is awesome.
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I want to see how the slow motion video is. I love that and use it all the time to record my son's sports.
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Thanks! Much better indeed. These are more than acceptable for my use.

The MKBHD first impression video of the camera shows off it's strengths and weaknesses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSlt_2X8sPw

im not sure about anyone else but i really dont take many pics at night or in low light. so the camera is fine for me. i will have it on thursday so i'll find out how well it works for me soon