Alright, i want to make this flat out, i am at the middle of almost everything when considering picking up an tablet.
Right now, i have already owned a massive computing in a form of a laptop (i7 3610QM + GTX 675M + 16GB RAM) and i do all the heavy stuffs on it (Photoshop, Vegas rendering ... blah).
But with the growing of the tablet market, i find myself a little bit out of place and really considering of picking up a tablet myself, a Windows Tablet ( i don't like anything that related to iOS and find Android to be unsecured) . Just because i think the tablet might come very handy in some situation that you can't always bring out the 17-inch laptop like what i have. But the thing is, i am stuck between choosing the nVIDIA Tegra 3 Windows RT tablet with the Intel Atom Clovertrail series with x86 Windows 8. Sure, Microsoft has Surface Pro and i love that thing, but i don't necessarily need the power of the i5 in such a small tablet like that, because i have already had my i7 do all the heavy work.
The thing is, with all the review that i have read so far, 10/10 of them said that the Atom is seriously underpowered and will cause "not-pleasant" Windows Experience, but in this case, they are running the x86 version of Windows 8, that mean all the Legacy Programs will work. While the Tegra 3 (Surface RT) has been claimed to give a smooth experience with Windows RT, but then again, sometime you will feel out of place because you can't run any x86-based App.
So my question is , what is your suggestion? I am leaning a little bit over to the Atom x86 side, just because it can run the Legacy apps, but the Windows RT won't really bother me to the point that i can't handle it. I would love to hear anybody here that are using the RT version, and also the x86 version of Windows 8 but with the Atom Chip.
I use the Surface RT (Tegra 3 ARM chip), but I make heavy use of the hacks available to unlock third-party desktop software and have compiled several such desktop apps myself. I also sometimes use the x86 compability layer that mamaich (on this forum) has hacked together; it's far from fast but suffices to run some software that I was unable to port.
I make very, very little of Windows Store apps except for a handful of games. With a genuinely full web browser available (including Flash and ad blocking), and the Touch Cover trackpad, I find myself using the browser probably more than all non-game apps, including Mail and Skype (the only two I use much at all) combined. I do use Office on the tablet, however (again, in desktop mode).
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I use the Surface RT (Tegra 3 ARM chip), but I make heavy use of the hacks available to unlock third-party desktop software and have compiled several such desktop apps myself. I also sometimes use the x86 compability layer that mamaich (on this forum) has hacked together; it's far from fast but suffices to run some software that I was unable to port.
I make very, very little of Windows Store apps except for a handful of games. With a genuinely full web browser available (including Flash and ad blocking), and the Touch Cover trackpad, I find myself using the browser probably more than all non-game apps, including Mail and Skype (the only two I use much at all) combined. I do use Office on the tablet, however (again, in desktop mode).
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So there are actually a way to run Legacy App on the RT with an extra layer of Virtualization? I mean, most of the time i can just use the laptop, so i don't require the tablet to be able to run 100% what i want to run with Windows 8, but some x86 app like Foobar2000, i would like to see it run because i also have a lot of music in FLAC and others type that XBOX Music App doesn't play.
And are there any news on the VLC for RT? Heard that they have been developing that, would be nice if they can play MKV files.
It's an emulation (well, technically dynamic recompilation) layer, not virtualization in the usual sense. The performance hit is massive - I certainly would not recommend trying to run a software media decoder through it - but it doesn't require running a whole additional OS (the way virtualization usually does). My point was basically that RT works for me because I ignore at least 50% of its intended use cases and add a bunch of new ones - something that a normal user would not do. If I were limited just to what's in the store, I would feel that the RT is a waste of money, but that's because I don't like the way the store apps work and have yet to discover one that was A) worth using and B) couldn't be done better using a desktop app.
The x86 emulator is very slow. 0.1ghz as an incredibly rough guess that's not entirely accurate but gives a vague idea of performance. The original Age of empires plays ok as do a few other old applications but chances are most things you run through the emulator won't actually run.
There is a jailbreak for windows RT that allows installation of non store applications, but these applications need specifically porting to windows RT. The advantage of the ported applications is that they aren't being emulated, they are run natively utilising the full power of the tablet. However few applications have been ported so far but the situation is improving.
If you need desktop apps then you are best off with the atom tablets. They aren't as slow as the media make out, they just aren't fast either. The chips in current tablets are a bit more powerful than those in netbooks and are at a higher clock speed but they still won't come anywhere near your other machine. I do know a few people that happily use minecraft and visual studio on atom netbooks.
i've got both the 700t and 500t but find myself using the 500t far more. mainly it's used for media consumption and artwork. i use sketchbook pro, sai, and photoshop 12 (cs5) with no real problems. sure it's not as fast as the 700t, but i can keep on going for 12+ hours on the atom where the i5 dies after 5.5 hrs (faster when watching a movie). i generally keep my screen at 0% brightness since i'm indoors and the battery life still sucks on the 700t. if i have to remain tethered to an outlet i'd much rather be using something more powerful.
i have no regrets about getting the atom, but the i5... i should have sent that back and bought a gaming laptop. i'm not saying that the 700t is a bad tablet, it's pretty dang good, but the way i use my tablets battery life is more important. i thought i could squeeze 6-7 hours out of the 700t since i keep the screen dim.
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There are quite a few 4.8" umpc's on the market, with faster processors and various os.
How do they compare to the Advantage in regard to internet, office and outlook?
The wm browsers have fit to screen or one column options. What happens with the small umpc's?
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There are quite a few 4.8" umpc's on the market, with faster processors and various os.
How do they compare to the Advantage in regard to internet, office and outlook?
The wm browsers have fit to screen or one column options. What happens with the small umpc's?
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For me, I have a laptop, a umpc, a pocketpc and a mobile phone.
Umpc vs pocketpc?
pocket pc can INSTANT ON/OFF in a way that not even hibernate or stanby can match. This makes pocketpc the best 24/7 anytime/ anywhere gadget for reading ebooks and typing down ideas, listening to music, using few things related to WIFI.
My only wish is that i can find a good enough program to do powerpoint slides editing using my pocketpc. For powerpoint work, i still use my umpc whenever i am outside. I have never found a good enough powerpoint editing program that I can use in my pocket pc. Viewers. yes but editing no. Will appreciate if someone can recommend or can create such a program.
The only thing to do is have a play around with some UMPCs- having used an original Asus EEE (which has similar specs and screen resolution to the UMPCs I've seen) I'd say it depends on what you want it for.
The Athena has crazy battery life, a good enough screen, can edit office stuff, good for email, plays video fantastically well, is pretty fast, and with Opera Mini 5 finally has a decent web browser.
A UMPC has all of these, and will run standard desktop applications but will have rubbish battery life.
Conclusion is- it'll depend entirely on what you need it for!
Personally I wouldn't drop £400-500 on a UMPC as I don't think they do more than I'd want from my Athena, but if I needed something bigger I'd be tempted to pick up a cheap 7" screened EEE again. Currently I find a Samsung NC-10, an Athena and a HTC Hero more than cover me for my portable needs.
The Athena and other WM-devices suck when it comes to browsing:
- low resolution (640x480 up to 800x480 on newer devices)
- huge waste of screen due to windows frame, URL-toolbar, status-bar, etc. or lack of all those when in full-screen view
- lack of Flash and Java support
- too little memory - surfing in forums quite often result in out of memory
- too slow
UMPC's suffer as well:
- too expensive
- either low screen resolution or too many DPI's to be readable
- though they have a fast CPU compared to WM, they have to run Windows XP/Vista and that turns them slow again
I own a lot of devices, as I kind of collect them...
Apart from the phones in my signature, I also own:
- Asus R2H
- Asus Eee PC 701
- Asus Eee PC 1000H
My experience says:
1) If you want a USABLE and RELIABLE phone, that simply works, entertains you and gets you to do some mails and internet browsing, then go for the iPhone. It is fast, responsive, huge usability and the best web-surfing experience in any phone I tried so far.
2) If you need to work on the road, prepare PowerPoints, do serious e-mails, etc., then get yourself a cheap netbook with 10" screen and 6 cell battery.
Cheers,
vma
May be the OP wants to clarify if he really wishes to compare UMPC to Athena or the more comparable MID vs Athena?
One poster said UMPC has "rubbish battery life" which is only true, but it is because those UMPC was yesterday designed, and not many newer UMPC have been built.
UMPC is defined as Ultra Mobile PC, which is coined by Microsoft, so mostly it is used to described Windows XP Tablet Edition OS devices. Similar form factor devices are appearing on the market again, but they are simply called tablets.
What Athena should be compared to, because of similar form factor, should be MID, which stands for Mobile Internet Device. MID can run Windows XP, or Linux, or other systems, and doesn't have a platform specific thing.
For example, my Samsung Q1 is an UMPC, and it has a 7" screen. For example, my BenQ S6 is a MID, and it has a 4.8" screen. One runs XP Tablet Edition (factory) and one runs XP Home (factory). My Q1 has only a 2 hour battery life (now only 1 hour as the battery wore out) w/ a 3 cell (factory) battery. My S6 has a 4 - 6 hour battery, while having a much smaller Li-poly battery pack, with much less capacity than the one inside the Q1. So you can see, it is not a fair comparison when you compare UMPC vs Athena and compare MID vs Athena.
I own all 3 types.
Fast and slow are all relative, I tell you.
WM can wake up in a flash, so you call it fast. But then if you want to play a high quality video, or Adobe Flash, it just doesn't have enough processing power, then you call it slow. Let's define what you mean by fast and slow.
Windows XP takes forever to boot, so you call it slow. But most modern device, including the lowly Atom CPU, even the low end Z series, can at least play some Flash videos without a lot of problems. So you call that fast? So what is true? Is it fast or slow?
The Atom Z series platform (in various netbooks and MIDs), can do standby to on in very quick time (about 2 sec). It is also very good on battery life, with very low power consumption, especially in idle or standby. That's why I wish the OP was trying to compare MID to Athena, because UMPC is just an orphaned platform without any new entries lately, and thus is a very poor case for going to battle here.
I disagree that the Athena "has crazy battery life" if you meant "great". When I had it on with 3G enabled, it didn't really last very long. Worst if you have Push enabled, or even pull (either way). I did read about the ROM making a diff. but in the earlier days, all I used was factory ROM, so there is nobody else to blame if that's the case.
I do agree with vma in general. I now use an iPhone for my daily phone, and I own 2 netbooks, with 1 having a 6 cell battery. They are the bread and butter of my assortment of equipments at my disposal (which is a lot), which I use the most in a real portable / mobile situation. iPhone as a daily phone and data device, while netbooks being used in meetings / gatherings etc.
I also will take out my Athena or my MID (S6) just to fill the gap, if the situation requires, but this gap is like a niche, so they don't get used very often because of that. For example, if I have to walk more than drive, and thus don't want to carry even a netbook, but at the same time I really need to have Windows (native, remote won't cut it case), then I have no choice but to carry the MID w/ XP (S6). But that doesn't really happen too often. More and more apps are available on iPhone that slowly replaced even some of the very niche apps on Windows.
Athena is worse, there is even less niche that I must have WM w/ me nowadays. Most apps have been replaced, and fewer required. For example, having a connected Garmin Mobile XT is nice, but I already own a GPS nav plus software on my iPhone, so I need WM even less even it does give me that combo, but it is not absolutely necessary. It is just nice to have (an also do case).
The saving grace of the Athena is SkyFire and Opera Mini 5 (compiled binary version especially), and latest cooked ROM on 6.5.x. Otherwise, the Athena is really outdated. Many apps are already duplicated and I can't think of any that still remains a huge advantage (no pun intended) on the Athena, except one (which is a niche app, most people don't need / use it, as it caters to only certain kind of people).
With all that said, Athena still has one slight advantage (no pun intended), and that is if you have a pretty stable environment / system, you don't really have to worry about maintenance down the road unless you add / subtract things from it. If it is stable, it should remain so, as the system doesn't get much changes, unlike XP which has constant security problems and thus updates and this and that. iPhone being a very fluid environment only because there are a lot of new updates which are either essential in order to have some new highly anticipated features (hard to ignore), and then apps compatibility afterwards. With Athena, if you can tolerate not having new ROMs or apps, and use it as a stable appliance, and you can actually achieve a stable env to begin with (not always the case, WM is not that stable, the more apps you install, the less stable it becomes), then it is rather reliable. Look at CE Embedded, many GPS nav platforms use that as the base core OS and it's stable. It's only unknown apps can affect it.
I can maintain my XP well, but it takes efforts etc. I also maintain my iPhone from time to time, but not as often, but each updates is a new battle to test everything once over again, lots of time and stuff. For Athena, it used to be like that, but now since one should find a stable ROM and be content with, then it's ok. But that may be because there aren't any new killer apps out there, that demands the newer versions of ROM / OS version, so it is no longer an issue.
But it doesn't necessary make it easy though. I struggled to make Athena stable and for the longest time, WM is very hard to tame (worst of all handheld platforms IMHO!).
I'd say, if you are very good in maintaining Windows (like XP), an XP based MID is actually a very good choice today, with the new Atom Z (or even N) series CPU. You just can't expect it to be a phone for voice stuff (even if so, I can't trust XP to be 100% reliable in voice handling), as a data only device. And that can replace Athena as a similiar size platform.
For example, my S6 is about the same size as the Athena except longer (should say wider, but the longest side), if Athena is in its leather case w/ keyboard. However, I can strip down my Athena w/o keyboard and leather case, and it becomes very thin, (and no protection), but I can't strip down my S6 any further. It is also hotter if run long also.
As for UMPC, I don't know if XP will be able to compete still, as there are surprising few new models as compared to Linux / Android based ones coming out these day. I found Vista very unsuitable (for just about anything) and even Windows 7 doesn't provide the efficiency like XP can (battery life, graphics performance), and only provide a bit more convenience, but tax a lot more resources that is not worth it in a low power, low resource small device. Leave the W7 to more powerful computers.
It all comes down to what apps you need to run. If you have apps that only is avail on one platform, you probably don't have a choice. If you only need popular apps that are avail on all platforms, then you have lots of choices and lots of debates.
But one thing is sure: if you need powerful stuff, even some video playback, just don't kid yourself, the Athena can't cut it, I tried pretty much everything. Even the Z500 + GMA500, considered the lowest end on an Intel based platform, will beat the Athena playing videos. Browsing is the same also. There is just so much an ARM based CPU can do, especially without modern GPU on the side (The ATi chip is really not helping much in the Athena, despite the brand behind it).
If I have to choose today, I'd take iPhone + netbook like vma said. But if I have other needs, then I'd take iPhone + MID, or iPhone + UMPC. My WM devices are now niche devices today, changed their roles from their past, no longer the centre.
Microsoft just released a detailed information on Windows For Arm. There will be touch friendly version of Office for Windows.
IMO, I think a windows tablet would be perfect for my needs. All the tablets our right now provide no productivity. With windows phone apps as well as full windows 8 on the tablet, it might just replace my laptop.
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I think it will be great...
Imagine a tablet with great battery life, full microsoft office and exchange functionality - and when you dock it (like Asus Transformer Prime) it becomes a full laptop running in "normal" desktop mode with even greater battery life. Great for business users.
Now imagine a tablet with integrated social network functionality, zune pass, spotify, youtube, and Xbox Live games... Great for home/casual users.
Seems like Windows 8 with its desktop/laptop/tablet/phone vertical integration will be the one OS we have been waiting for.
Although people are concerned with lack of legacy apps and x86 compatibility, i think that it's good people at Microsoft finally gathered enough courage to dump a lot of legacy stuff and make a clean start.
Although older apps won't be ported, newer apps made with Microsoft dev tools will be easily compiled for both x86 and ARM.
For most users having Windows&Office will be enough for most things - browsing, multimedia, casual games and I'm sure there will be lots of apps in Marketplace to satisfy hardcore users soon enough
P.S. I'm not a MS fanboy... I own SGS running ICS and iPad
would be cool if i could develop android apps on my tablet and dual boot windows and android
Win8 on cotton candy-like HW: Plug it to your tv's usb port and use a wireless keyboard+touchpad to use it.
Is win8 for arm ready to play this game?
Hi Everyone
I wanted to start this thread because one of the major advantages to Windows 8 is the wide range of devices it can be installed on. The way I see it Windows 8 is not meant to be installed on just a single computer but rather provide users an ecosystem of devices to make there computing needs are as simple as possible.
My intended ecosystem goes like this:
1-Windows Phone 8.
I'm going to get a Lumia 900, but I want something that has expandable memory, dual cores (i know its not needed but think of how awesome it will be), and higher resolution. The Lumia 900 likely will get upgraded to Windows Phone 8, but will lack the features i mentioned above and NFC support also. This will be useful for beam file transfers between a phone and tablet.
2-Home Desktop Computer
I'll probably build a new computer with this as I would like a 2nd generation i7 computer, but I think windows 8 on a desktop is still a must for every home. The UI might be cumbersome at first for a desktop, but the performance is unmatched. Providing a remote desktop will also be extremely useful (more on this later).
3-Tablet
Now here is where things could go 2 ways. I have another thread comparing the differences between Intel's cloverfield processors vs WOA (windows on ARM) systems. If you want a full x86 system it would be best to go with the cloverfield processor, however I think these will be more expensive and likely have worse battery life than their WOA counterparts. My ideal tablet would be something very similar to the ASUS Transformer Prime. I like the idea of a keyboard, trackpad, and extend battery addition to a tablet when needed. If a remote desktop solution similar to splashtop comes out on the market for WOA I will definitely get a WOA system. For most tasks the WOA will provide all power needed, and if more is required for games or access to legacy software I'll just remote into my desktop to use over wifi or LTE.
I specifically mentioned splashtop because it is the only remote desktop software I have found on my iPad 2 that offers great frame rates. I can watch movies on my iPad which look like I am sitting at my computer. This would be great for gaming if the iPad would support a mouse. Window 8 won't have that downfall.
I have been going back and forth with this decision, but what made it clear was the ability to have an ecosystem. Cloverfield systems will likely offer netbook type performance which really isn't enough for my everyday needs. I think these systems would be ideal for college students who can afford to only have a single system, however as a working professional I can afford to get more.
4-Xbox 720 (360 2, ???)
I hope the next generation xbox has the windows 8 kernal built into it also. I think it is likely because Microsoft seems to be pushing this ecosystem concept for their next gen software. I also hope it has the same capabilities I have with my Ipad 2 and Apple TV. For example I use this program called AirVideo on my desktop/iPad. This program can transcode any video format (mkv/avi/divx/etc) seemlessly and stream it to my ipad. From my ipad I can use AirPlay to send it to my Apple TV. It is a great hassle free way to get videos from my comp to my big screen without losing quality. i hope windows 8 offers something like this.
Most Notable Devicies I left off.
Kinect Based Systems:
HTPC
I do not see a need for kinect on desktop unless it is a HTPC. A kinect system on a HTPC would offer great controls for viewing TV content, offer a liable way to Skype from your couch, and forever solve the problem of where did you put your remote. HTPCs and Kinect systems go so well it is mind boggling they have no been bundled together before.
Laptop
I have heard rumors that high end laptops will have there webcam replaced by built in kinect sensors. I think this would be really useful on laptops as it offers another mouse input method other than the installed trackpad. While I do not see kinect systems as useful on desktops, I think it could have advantages on a laptop. This is mainly due the portability of a laptop.
A laptop in general would also be a way to combine 2 devices I have on my current ecosystem. With a laptop you won't need a desktop and a tablet as it kind of combines the two. A laptop offers full computing on x86 architecture and still offers portability, however as we all know, it isn't as powerful as a desktop (around the same price point),\ and not as portable as a tablet.
Well thats my ecosystem. I guess you can say I'm going to be going full on metro at some point this year, but at least it will be in a good way . What do you guys have in mind?
right now, i am having an eco system in my house, with a client Windows 7 PC - Windows Phone 7.5 and XBOX 360 + Kinect. I have a TV in my house, which is hooked up with the network line, so i can use the HTC Connected Media to steam the movie from my Hard Drive on PC to the TV without touching the computer.
Or listen to music from hard drive through XBOX in the same way. I just like it this way. Looking forward for the Beta/RC of Windows 8
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Thank you very much, give it a try
It's possible to run Windows 8 on Android with all multitouch and other tablet features! Check this video. Cool?
I think it's a great way to play with Windows 8, without throwing money on a new expensive tablet. And even better it's possible to use additional Android features like Android voice text input on Windows.
Windows 8 running on Samsung Galaxy Tab tablet and Android!
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Not even close. This is just spam.
@decatf u no understand cloud computing?
Does user really cares how and where it runs? No, the most important part is that it allows to use Win 8 on the tablet. Even more, use it with all the multitouch and tablet stuff like a normal Microsoft Surface, but with the PC power.
This is not Windows 8 running on the Samsung Galaxy Tab. This is nothing more than a remote desktop.
Technically you are correct, Windows is running on the server and tablet is just a client.
Though by "running" I mean one way of using Windows 8 on an Android tablet. And it might even be one of the best ways of using Win 8 on a tablet, because of a performance, battery efficiency, extra features and how easy is to set everything up. Yes, it has some trade-offs, it requires a fast connectivity and UI fluidity depends on connection.. but still it's a valid way of using Windows on a tablet. Even more advanced way, because all the latest and greatest technology moves to remote computing so called cloud.
I wouldn't underestimate it because of that it doesn't technically run a tablet itself.. who really cares?
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I wouldn't underestimate it because of that it doesn't technically run a tablet itself.. who really cares?
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The ones who have been looking to run arm Win8 natively on the tablet. You should rename the title of your thread to something more appropriate like running Win8 with remote desktop or in a "cloud" though technically its not a cloud.
Interesting read.
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Why does it matters?
It's slow, first of all... You can clearly see the lag in windows animation, and don't even try to watch an animation with remote desktop, it's unbearable!
And, you NEED another computer/server to work it... So, this mean getting at least the hardware required, plus the licenses. Which would mean spending more than a Windows 8 tablet that would run smoother and natively.
Remote use is useful in small bites
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Technically you are correct, Windows is running on the server and tablet is just a client.
Though by "running" I mean one way of using Windows 8 on an Android tablet. And it might even be one of the best ways of using Win 8 on a tablet, because of a performance, battery efficiency, extra features and how easy is to set everything up. Yes, it has some trade-offs, it requires a fast connectivity and UI fluidity depends on connection.. but still it's a valid way of using Windows on a tablet. Even more advanced way, because all the latest and greatest technology moves to remote computing so called cloud.
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I use my Tab to run Windows XP when I am away from my office for a few hours. Using a blue tooth keyboard makes it pretty usable but having used Win8 I can definitely see where it would be easier with a touch screen. But it's not like being in front of the local OS. I also don't find Win8 very much fun without a touch screen anyway. I doubt anyone will get it to work natively on a Tab. So you are both right. It's not like being there but it's useful in small bites.
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Another thing that even $500 Microsoft Surface doesn't run any of standard Windows apps (only crap apps for Metro). And a full featured Surface Pro is super thick, heavy and even more insanely expensive $1000.
So it turns out that Windows 8 through remote desktop is one the best options for those, who want full featured Win 8 on a tablet.
Splashtop 2 updated its gestures to match Win 8. Pretty awesome since animations are almost seamless compared to remote desktop.
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Another thing that even $500 Microsoft Surface doesn't run any of standard Windows apps (only crap apps for Metro). And a full featured Surface Pro is super thick, heavy and even more insanely expensive $1000.
So it turns out that Windows 8 through remote desktop is one the best options for those, who want full featured Win 8 on a tablet.
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Or you could buy a x86/x64 tablet and run it natively, for less...
Not even possible.. windows 8 is not an open source..
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You do realise most x86/x64 tablet would come with Windows 8 already installed?
The main conscern exists: You have to pay for either a computer or a "server", for the nescessary license and you still won't be able to play videos or have a "lag free" experience like if you'd get a Win8 (with an intel atom or a core i3) and run every thing natively
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I had done the same thing a few days ago and thought it was pretty cool , here how it works on my galaxy tab , I also have a video with it on my nexus 7 but that was before I worked out a few of the lag bugs.
I've also tested it off my local network and it has about the same performance since the bandwidth used by spashtop peaks around 250kbps this is ideal for goofing off with and having the feel of windows 8 on an android tablet. and I was able to verify that the multi touch works with 10 points ( not sure about any more only have ten fingers )
http://youtu.be/zYVPq_zUBWE
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I had done the same thing a few days ago and thought it was pretty cool , here how it works on my galaxy tab , I also have a video with it on my nexus 7 but that was before I worked out a few of the lag bugs.
I've also tested it off my local network and it has about the same performance since the bandwidth used by spashtop peaks around 250kbps this is ideal for goofing off with and having the feel of windows 8 on an android tablet. and I was able to verify that the multi touch works with 10 points ( not sure about any more only have ten fingers )
http://youtu.be/zYVPq_zUBWE
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Its pretty lag free , for the most part . but when I first installed it, it was very sluggish. after adjusting the the cpu speeds on my tablet it started running smoother, just crank your minimum tablet cpu speed up to about 500mhz and it gets rid of most the lag, then on the virtual machine give it as much ram as you can , in this video I gave the virtual machine 4 cores and 2gb of ram , but I'm now running it with 6gb of ram its about as smooth as butter.
I'm an IT professional and was on site today at an office I work with that has an IT guy that works full time there and I was " Showing him my new windows 8 tablet " and he used it for about ten minutes before saying wait a minute I though this was supposed to have a kick stand in the back, then I came clean with him and he thought it was running natively , Fun fun ....
Shawn
I have made up my mind that I want to upgrade from my old iPad 2 to an x86 Win8 tablet, but I have been trying to decide which one to get. The Surface Pro 2 looks nice, but the battery life seems a bit lacking from reviews that I have seen, and Bay Trail seems to be reasonably powerful for a cheaper cost and longer life, but I'm still unsure. The main reason I want a Win8 tablet is PC gaming. I know I won't be able to run games anywhere near the highest settings; I just want to run them, period. Would Bay Trail suffice, or do I need an i-series processor to get reasonable gaming capability? Second, I want the tablet to have a digitizer & stylus. I have been totally spoiled by my Galaxy Note 2, and now I use it to take notes in all my classes, but would appreciate the extra screen real estate. As for price, I don't want to spend over a grand for a tablet, as I already have a primary Windows machine. I would like the tablet to get at least 6 hours of battery (The Acer Iconia W700 originally caught my eye thanks to its 8 hours), since I'm used to iPad-length use and would like to have something that can at least manage 3/4ths of that. The Dell Latitude 11 looks promising, but with no confirmation on a US release date nor the cost of options, I'm not sure if it is worth the wait. Opinions?
I have an intel core i3 laptop running at 1.8ghz with the default intel HD4000 graphics. Runs BF3 on minimum *just* and skyrim with a config hack. I doubt baytrail will run either one at all sadly. Surface pro will definitely run both (and thanks to the updated graphics may not require the config hack, if not all you need is notepad to fix skyrim), its more powerful than my laptop is, just lacking in battery department as you say and rather expensive.
I would perhaps look on youtube for when people start posting their own unboxing videos and ask them *nicely* if they could test X program. Youtube user robaxx did a few demos of user requests with his clovertrail device.
If gaming wasnt a requirement baytrail would probably be overqualified immediately. The old atom chips from netbooks were quite happy with office and visual studio etc, VLC even seems capable of decoding 1080p video on my brothers 1.3ghz netbook (however he only has a 1024*600 screen or something so it certainly doesnt play at 1080p, the video file is natively 1080p). However minecraft with the optifine mod still only squeezes 15fps on both tiny and short render (seriously, same on both distances, weird).
I have this one and absolutely love it. It's a little bulkier than the Surface but runs really well. The only minor complaint I have is that the screen prevents you from viewing from multiple angles (basically the screen gets dark when looking at it from the side).
Otherwise, it's fantastic! I use it as a tablet most of the time, but having the option to connect to a keyboard with an extra battery and USB/HDMI ports really comes in handy.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/split-x...pp04-102?id=1219018164751&skuId=9432051&st=hp split x2&cp=1&lp=1