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whenever I am travelling, gprs cost in Europe is a big issue, so for my applications (manymanymany mails) gprs does not work economically.
so i had the following idea:
from abroad I send a mail via sms to my (home-)office computer.
this triggers my homoffice modem calling me under my numer in my hotel. (number could be included in the sms)
my XDA II is connected to a bluetooth modem which is in auto-answer mode... picks up... beeeeeeeeep connects an IP transparent protocol and...
bingo...
as my [email protected] acts like a gateway through broadband, my XDA II sees the world with web connection (pop3, smtp, nntp - younameit)
benefit:
my PC modem can call almost every hotel phone for a couple of cents per minute - worldwide.
compare this with a couple of bucks per MB GPRS in Europe!
who knows the software componets needed?
Regards
v
sounds great, tell me where to download it once youve written it! :lol:
I am willing to pay for the solutionas well, anybody else?
v
the idea is ok but it prolly wont work in reality since GPRS out of your coutry is only expensive with prepaid.
and prepaid has the disadvantage when im out of my country i gotta pay it from the border so for example :
dude 1 lives in the netherlands and calls dude 2.
dude 2 is on vacation in somewhere in europe.
dude 1 only pays upto the border the rest of way costs dude 2 his prepaid cash.
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the idea is ok but it prolly wont work in reality since GPRS out of your coutry is only expensive with prepaid.
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Nope, GPRS roaming is expensive no matter what. You would not believe the rates these thieves charge.
The idea of calling to the hotel is great, and the bluetooth modem is a nice touch. I would add a foldable keyboard to almost get the full benefits of a well-connected notebook PC.
As far as the software components: receiving the SMS on your home computer takes a GSM phone connected to the computer, some means of receiving SMS on a regular line (offered in some countries, e.g. Germany), or some service that receives the SMS for you and turns it into an E-mail. Your own provider probably offers this already.
Then when you receive the message, you'd need to dial out. Under Linux/FreeBSD/*nix you would then have procmail (if the SMS comes in as a mail) kick off a PPP dial-out script that takes the phone number as an argument.
There's probably an easy windows scripting way of doing this. The Outlook 'Rules wizard' has an option called 'run a script' which looks like a good starting point if you can turn the SMS into an E-mail. Any Windows scripting gods to take it from here?
I think v doesn't mean to call his mobile, but a normal number in a hotel where an analog modem is hooked up to the XDA through bluetooth.
You could use the call back function of a RAS server achieve this.
You call from the hotel to your home server, enter the number where the RAS server has to call back to and you're up and running.
But the speed would be pretty low, even with a V90 modem.
Since I don't have a BT modem, I can' test it...
Would it be possible to only use medianet unlimited with Vonage, and dump cingulars over priced voice plan. I mean, being that Vonage operates soely on your internet connection, why wouldn't it work on medianet or Cingulars PDA plan, vica versa. Pitcure it, you get unlimited calls to US and Canada, all the goodies like call waiting, three way calling and caller I-D, all for $29.95. That beats out Cingulars 450 daytime, 5000 night and weekends, for $39.95 any day.
So, is it possible? And if not, why?
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Would it be possible to only use medianet unlimited with Vonage, and dump cingulars over priced voice plan. I mean, being that Vonage operates soely on your internet connection, why wouldn't it work on medianet or Cingulars PDA plan, vica versa. Pitcure it, you get unlimited calls to US and Canada, all the goodies like call waiting, three way calling and caller I-D, all for $29.95. That beats out Cingulars 450 daytime, 5000 night and weekends, for $39.95 any day.
So, is it possible? And if not, why?
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I don't think that it would work because I believe Vonage is VoIP which is kinda like skype and the GPRS network isn't fast enough for that. Feel free to correct me (anyone?) if i'm wrong though.
But what about edge, wifi, or 3G. Wouldn't those be fast enough?
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But what about edge, wifi, or 3G. Wouldn't those be fast enough?
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edge is the same as GPRS, its the cellular data network. Edge I don't believe is fast enough. Wifi is fast enough, but you have to overclock your phone in order for it to actually work well...or at all. Not sure what 3G is, so I can't comment on that.
It's theoretically possible. There's a version of SJPhone that works with Vonage and runs on the WM5. All you need is a soft phone on your vonage acct and SJPhone should be able to connect over GPRS or WiFi.
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It's theoretically possible. There's a version of SJPhone that works with Vonage and runs on the WM5. All you need is a soft phone on your vonage acct and SJPhone should be able to connect over GPRS or WiFi.
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Can you elaborate on this a little more. What exactly is soft phone?
A softphone costs $10/mo on your Vonage account and works with software on your PC. The Vonage interface device isn't required. Every time you connect to the internet with your PC, no matter where in the world this is, your softphone number is available. SJPhone is software that runs on WM5 that allows you to connect to your softphone number on Vonage in the same way.
Alright I have the software SJPhone, I found the beta version for WM5. And I am sure that even before I install it that there will be some configuration required for vonage.....
I have gone and google'd..... These look like the setup instructions....
http://www.engadget.com/2004/08/31/how-to-use-a-pocket-pc-pda-as-a-wifiphone/
Cingular is one step ahead of you... Kind of. There was an article about 2 weeks ago and cingular said they don't mind that people are using VOIP on their network. But Edge isn't fast enough. I have Skype on my device and running it via Edge is worthless, so get yourself a Hermes adn move to a 3g(umts) city and Voila, your golden!
I just got back from houston and they're selling the HTC TyTn for $1,099.99. You can get it on ebay for $779.99 with 29.99 shipping from Cali.
I have activated a vonage softphone but I am having trouble with the configuration. If anyone had some light to shed on the subject that would be great. The guide I am looking at looks like it is just about to turn 2 years old.
IT WORKS!!!!!!!! well I initialized a call I can't really test it though cuz the wife is sleeping and if I make the phone ring too much she'll get peeved. The above configuration is good, just don't bother with the proxy stuff just put the domain in..... i followed their screens just a little too well.
what connection u using it on?
The only issue with SJPhone I saw was, like skype, it would be "speakerphone only". I'm guessing GPRS would be fine for the connection if you use a low speed audio codec.
Well I lied i made 1 phone call and that was it it doesn't work now I don't know what i did
Is this any help?
SJLabs: Vonage on Pocket PC thread
Very helpful now I no longer recieve the "Nat/Firewall" Error. Thanks for the info. I will do more testing during the day tommorow and I will post my results. I am currently using a T-Mobile MDA with the new OEM firmware update.
I talked with the wife for 45 mins while using wifi, I used the headset supplied with the phone because I have not figured out how to incorporate my Moto H700 with it, but otherwise it was great. The edge at my house is only so-so, therefore I will say that using this with edge so far has been impossible. When I go to work tommorow I will let you know if it works better where I know there is 100% edge, and when I am not on the fringe of a network.
Theory into practice it would seem. Nicely done matrix849! I'd always wanted to try this but never really had the time to spare.
Seems as though the tytn would be the best way to really test if this would be absolutely possible. I mean with its 3G technology and all.
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Cingular is one step ahead of you... Kind of. There was an article about 2 weeks ago and cingular said they don't mind that people are using VOIP on their network. But Edge isn't fast enough. I have Skype on my device and running it via Edge is worthless, so get yourself a Hermes adn move to a 3g(umts) city and Voila, your golden!
I just got back from houston and they're selling the HTC TyTn for $1,099.99. You can get it on ebay for $779.99 with 29.99 shipping from Cali.
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Hi guys,
I want to use my HTC Wizard to call out on the "normal" or DSL phone line when I am at home. This beacause all phone calls to all national non mobile numbers are free.
My PC is connected to the DSL Modem (ZYXEL P-2602HW-D1A) and with a modem connected to the phone out put of the modem and to the normal analog line.
Is there any one who has experience with this?
MartindH said:
Hi guys,
I want to use my HTC Wizard to call out on the "normal" or DSL phone line when I am at home. This beacause all phone calls to all national non mobile numbers are free.
My PC is connected to the DSL Modem (ZYXEL P-2602HW-D1A) and with a modem connected to the phone out put of the modem and to the normal analog line.
Is there any one who has experience with this?
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The answer is likely to not be as easy as you expect, although it may not be that hard.
Your modem may or may not work, when you do voice over a modem the modem needs to know this and not demand a carrier tone and other things that signal a data connection. Some modems are known to work in this capacity others are known to work very poorly (lots of echo) and others are known to not work at all. The majority of modems are not known whether or not they will work at all.
In short the easiest way to accomplish this task is to send data from your phone VoIP to your PC. There are free clients out there such as sjphone from sjlabs.com. You will likely want a headset on your phone as most dont use the same speaker as a regular phone call but instead the speakerphone and echo cancelation doesnt work well (the remote side will hear echo without headphones).
Now that your phone is taken care of you need something on the other side. Here you have choices. If you have a compatible modem you can use that as an FXO card with software like asterisk.org and soon freeswitch.org. If you do not have a compatible card, or do not wish to run VoIP software on your PC you can get an ATA that has an FXO port and lets you route calls to/from it. Grandstream.com has some, the HT486 comes to mind. I believe the linksys pap2 will also do this. Ebay may be your friend in locating a fairly cheap one, although they arent that expensive - and you are doing this to save money so depending on the number of calls you make it may pay for itself soon
Once you have this set up, you can actually choose to call people via your mobile plan or landline or even an internet based telephone company. Depending on how well you configure everything, you could in theory have it use all of those things, and you can even route calls from those services to your phone (ie get phone numers all over the world and answer them on your mda when you have internet).
All your mda needs is wifi/usb/gprs. And for those providers that block VoIP on gprs shame on you (and they generally dont block vpn traffic or even know what the contents of that are
Port restricted Cone NAT
Thanks for your support.
The WIFI way with a direct connetion to my Modem will do for now, but I have got the following problem there.
The error that is displayed is the following:
NAT/Firewall: Port Restricted Cone NAT
The settings which I have entered are the same as in my Modem:
Zyxel: P-2602HW-D1A
Provider Tiscali
Anybody who knows how to solve this or who has experience with VOIP provided by Tiscali or other ISP using your HTC Wizard
Question for you guys,
I never noticed until my girlfriend tried to call me. I was streaming videos on youtube on my touch from Telus mobility and my line was just ringing, not going to my phone. Is there anyone that knows how to enable this? I tried looking online but codes for other phones like the apache dont work.
Thanks,
e
I was trying it out on my Bell HTC touch and it works fine (was on IE browsing and called my cell and it came through)
How exactly are you viewing the YT videos? Could be the application your using.
Im using TCPMP and flash media bundle. Found it on PPCGeeks
I don't think that the CDMA Touch can handle concurrent voice & data radios.
Meaning - it is either one or the other.
If you are browsing the internet, and a call comes through, it will drop the data radio and enable voice. Your example of the browsing and a call coming through is an example of this.
Try talking on the phone and then surfing to a new site in PIE. You can't.
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I don't think that the CDMA Touch can handle concurrent voice & data radios.
Meaning - it is either one or the other.
If you are browsing the internet, and a call comes through, it will drop the data radio and enable voice. Your example of the browsing and a call coming through is an example of this.
Try talking on the phone and then surfing to a new site in PIE. You can't.
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100% true, it can do 1 or the other not both
definetly not true...my bell htc touch works while surfing the net, it just switches from the EVDO network to the 1X, and it doesnt just keep ringing...so im not sure about sprint but the bell service allows for them to b working at the same time...
good luck
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I don't think that the CDMA Touch can handle concurrent voice & data radios.
Meaning - it is either one or the other.
If you are browsing the internet, and a call comes through, it will drop the data radio and enable voice. Your example of the browsing and a call coming through is an example of this.
Try talking on the phone and then surfing to a new site in PIE. You can't.
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NOT TRUE AT ALL! I confirmed (as you can see in my post above) that it receives calls even if your in between a data session.
I know on regular 1x phones they are not able to do this but this is a feature of EV-DO where it allows a phone call to come in even while surfing or using data.
To the OP, are you in 1x data mode or ev-do?
K so ive been testing it, while surfing and actually going through links and receiving a call they dont go through as well as streaming. But if Im on a page and not doing anything but reading whats on the page the call comes through. And I am on Ev-DO
From what I understand, if and when Sprint/Bell/Telus upgrades the rom to support EVDO Rev.A, then you can have voice and data concurrently. I find when I am surfing, it really depends on the timing of the call on whether it rings or not. If you are actively downloading data (streaming, accessing a page), then the phone will not ring. If you are just reading/viewing a page after it has fully downloaded, then your phone will ring.
Hi Guys,
I got the Telus HTC Touch about a week ago, and I went through the same thing. I called Telus's tech support as well as HTC's, I kept getting the run around; Telus was telling me it's an HTC issue, and HTC telling me it's Telus's issue, until I finally spoke to an admin in Telus' tech dept and he told me it's a know issue that will not be fixed anytime soon.
The only time this happens is when the data connection is "active" i.e. it's downloading something, so if you are streaming, the call will never go through to the phone, it will go the voice mail and your won't get a missed call notice on the phone. If browsing the net, and IE has finished loading the page, the data connection is "idle" and the call will go through.
I have read on a forum that there is a way to fix this by accessing the Data Programming screen using ##8323# and chaging the priority to voice from the default data priority, but I was not ableto access that with my phone.
I am still hoping to find a hack for this; for now I call-forward my HTC to my Blackberry when I know I will be using the internet heavily so I won't miss any calls.
TRY ##DDTM# thats how its done on my sprint touch
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NOT TRUE AT ALL! I confirmed (as you can see in my post above) that it receives calls even if your in between a data session.
I know on regular 1x phones they are not able to do this but this is a feature of EV-DO where it allows a phone call to come in even while surfing or using data.
To the OP, are you in 1x data mode or ev-do?
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Ludester - can you try this again?
I know that if you are surfing and a call comes through - you can get the call and answer it. That's what I said in my reply. That's because the phone drops the data connection and enteres the voice connection. If you jump back to PIE - then your previous cached page pops up.
But, try calling your handset from your home phone. Answer it. Leave the line open. (you may want to stand a few feet away from your landline to avoid feeback).
Now, while you have an active voice connectoin from home phone to cell phone, Open PIE and try and start browsing to a new page not cached.
Does it give you a message?
My understanding is that Rev0 doesnt do simultaneous voice and data. Actually i dont think RevA will either, although capable by technology, Sprint's implimentation wont allow it. Only way to get voice and data simultaneous right now is use HSDPA on GSM it does both at the same time currently.
I would love to have concurrent voice and data. I just don't think Rev0 has that feature and don't believ ewe will see Sprint's implementation of this feature through the RevA update either. I surely hope to be proven wrong on this - because that is indeed a desired state for me.
just yesterday i tried going to the other way... while on a call, i tried to access live search to map an address. the call was disconnected.
today i tried to launch internet explorer while on a call and i get a message to 'end the current call... blah,blah'
I'm on Bell and I was streaming music to my phone today and a call rang through no problem.
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I'm on Bell and I was streaming music to my phone today and a call rang through no problem.
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Same here on Bell.
I was streaming music on EVDO network. When I called my Touch, it started to ring. At that moment music streaming stopped and Touch switched to 1X network. When I ended this conversation, Touch switched back to EVDO and music streaming resumed automatically.
Cheers,
Romek
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TRY ##DDTM# thats how its done on my sprint touch
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For voice as priority should it be enabled or disabled? Sprint Touch.
i believe that all issues with cellphone internet blocking or being disabled when one recieve a call is purely an issue
with old and poor quality equipment of the cellphone operator in the area
Gitano said:
Hi Guys,
I got the Telus HTC Touch about a week ago, and I went through the same thing. I called Telus's tech support as well as HTC's, I kept getting the run around; Telus was telling me it's an HTC issue, and HTC telling me it's Telus's issue, until I finally spoke to an admin in Telus' tech dept and he told me it's a know issue that will not be fixed anytime soon.
The only time this happens is when the data connection is "active" i.e. it's downloading something, so if you are streaming, the call will never go through to the phone, it will go the voice mail and your won't get a missed call notice on the phone. If browsing the net, and IE has finished loading the page, the data connection is "idle" and the call will go through.
I have read on a forum that there is a way to fix this by accessing the Data Programming screen using ##8323# and chaging the priority to voice from the default data priority, but I was not ableto access that with my phone.
I am still hoping to find a hack for this; for now I call-forward my HTC to my Blackberry when I know I will be using the internet heavily so I won't miss any calls.
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You have to call, on a telus touch, ##778 and you gotta have your MSL code to edit things... But I haven't found anywhere that priority you're talking about...
I thought EVDO Rev 0 (like the one Telus is using for now) cannot handle data and voice connection at the same time... It is different for EVDO Rev.A, I've seen that on wiki I think
I had this problem until I realized I had changed my settings to "Force HDR" mode which only took advantage of EVDO.
I changed it back to Automatic switching (at the expense of battery life, however) and tested it out by running Sprint TV and having another phone call and it worked.
I checked the ##DDTM# and it was already disabled.
I've had the same issues... including the girlfriend being pissed off because her calls always went to VM. The problem is related to what network you're using.
The link below explains in details what networks allow both data and voice at the same time:
http://support.wmwifirouter.com/knowledge/KB0802013/
This should be all you guys need.
-YACO
So I am using my N1 on att so therefor it only works on EDGE. The problem is that whenever I have an active data session open, my phone does not ring and calls just go to vmail. Is there any way to set the phone to take the call and suspend the data connection?
No one has an answer? Not even through rooting the phone can I get it to accept calls over data...
i haven't used my N1 on the ATT network, but i've never head of data overriding voice. on any network. Voice should kick your data connection. I wonder if you have an issue with an APN setting.
I'm looking for the same,
IM in the Netherlands on vodafone. 3g works fine, but can't call and use internet on the same time.
Dont you need to be on at least 3g to have voice and data at the same time?
this has always been my experience on quite a few phones I have had when in an EDGE only area and tethering on O2 in the UK, phone does not ring.
On 3G it does, in fact last night while on a conference call on speakerphone I decided to run the speed test app to see how much a voice connection impacted data and I got 300-400kbps and I normally get 1-2Mbps, only ran it once and forgot to run it again after the call has ended, so it could just be local conditions....
You are correct that you cannot have voice and data working at the same time unless you have 3g (HSDPA). If you only have and EDGE connection, you can use data or voice, not at the same time though.
So I called HTC directly and asked what the heck was going on and if there is a way to change this and they told me there was NOT. The device is set up to accept data over voice. So basically the sell it as an "unlocked" device but the functionality is is majorly flawed if it cant run on 3g. I am a little angry at this point, yes I should have researched a little more, but who the hell sells a cell PHONE where data overides voice
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So I called HTC directly and asked what the heck was going on and if there is a way to change this and they told me there was NOT. The device is set up to accept data over voice. So basically the sell it as an "unlocked" device but the functionality is is majorly flawed if it cant run on 3g. I am a little angry at this point, yes I should have researched a little more, but who the hell sells a cell PHONE where data overides voice
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Apparently HTC does, probably based on usage stats. I use several gigabytes of data and 1500 text msgs per month on my plan b/w myself and my wife and we only use 200 - 400 minutes. I am pretty sure that we are not the exception either...
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Apparently HTC does, probably based on usage stats. I use several gigabytes of data and 1500 text msgs per month on my plan b/w myself and my wife and we only use 200 - 400 minutes. I am pretty sure that we are not the exception either...
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I understand what you are saying and I am the same way. But being such a heavy user I do often get calls when I am on the web. So it is crap that this device is really not a fully functioning phone on EDGE.
Asking your phone to put voice over data as priority on edge is like asking your phone company to put your mom's phone number over others and having her call kick someone else's call off while you are talking.
This is not an issue with the Nexus One, all phones, when on EDGE, behave this way. This is just the way EDGE works, this is why they push 3G devices and network services and not EDGE. It's old and not as functional.
If you are not happy with the Nexus One because of this, I would suggest selling it and waiting for AT&T to get their device that will compete with this.
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This is not an issue with the Nexus One, all phones, when on EDGE, behave this way. This is just the way EDGE works, this is why they push 3G devices and network services and not EDGE. It's old and not as functional.
If you are not happy with the Nexus One because of this, I would suggest selling it and waiting for AT&T to get their device that will compete with this.
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That is not true. Blackberry curve for instance runs on edge, if a call comes it it will interupt the data connect to take the call. You cant do voice and data at the same time, i agree with that. I have had other devices like the G1 when it first came out and when it ran on edge and I was getting a call while on the internet it would suspend my data and take the call...
And I like the N1 that is why I still have it. It just sucks that on a PHONE, data is prioritized over voice. I was looking for a solution for this situation by either rooting or figuring something out within the phone, but I guess there is not a way to fix this.
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That is not true. Blackberry curve for instance runs on edge, if a call comes it it will interupt the data connect to take the call. You cant do voice and data at the same time, i agree with that. I have had other devices like the G1 when it first came out and when it ran on edge and I was getting a call while on the internet it would suspend my data and take the call...
And I like the N1 that is why I still have it. It just sucks that on a PHONE, data is prioritized over voice. I was looking for a solution for this situation by either rooting or figuring something out within the phone, but I guess there is not a way to fix this.
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You are mistaken. I've had at least 10 phones that ran edge for data and none of them could interrupt data for voice. You are probably using more data intensive Apps or webpages compared to the blackberry, so its more likely you are missing calls.
Go use the blackberry to download a 7 MB file and see if you can call it.
where i live i'm just outside the 3G areas
my past phones have been HTC and i just end up with a voicemail notification when someone calls and my phones were ALWAYS on data, people used to get pissed thinking i was avoiding them.
google voice fixes this, i can just switch to my notification, listen to voicemail or if i'm lucky read the transcription (usually doesnt match though ) without having to effect what i was doing.
On my winmo phones, if i tried to do this, i would sometimes go back to my browser to find it decided to close while i was on the call to listen to my voicemail and then i would lose what i was doing and have to start all over anyways. so this is just another reason i love the nexus one and google voice, you say useless data>voice, i say a fix to my problem. i love you n1! lol
I can not speak to blackberry phones but this behavior has been the norm for all of my smartphones, to include the G1. If I make heavy use of Edge in a non 3g area then phone calls would not get through. It is annoying but not a problem specific to the N1.