Sony about to unleash four new Android smartphones later this year
Sony has been on quite a roll. At least as far as mobile phone launches are concerned. This year alone, five handsets in different segments have been launched by the company. These range from the high-end Xperia Z and ZL to the mid-range Xperia SP to the low-tier Xperia E and Xperia L. But it seems the company is not stopping at just these five.
According to the rumour, a certain Sony Xperia A, codenamed Dogo, will be added to the Japanese carrier NTT DoCoMo’s line-up sometime in the summer months. It is said to have a 4.6-inch screen and is powered by a Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 processor. Other specs include 2GB of RAM, 32GB of native storage and a 2300 mAh battery capacity. The phone will be water and dust resistant, like the Xperia Z and Tablet Z, and will bring along support for NFC. An IR Blaster is also said to be aboard.
Also on the roadmap is the Sony Xperia UL, which we are dreading to see since it is codenamed Gaga. The phone is said to be very closely based on the Sony Xperia ZL and will also have a Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 under the hood. Other specs that have leaked of the Xperia UL say it will have 32GB of internal storage, 2GB of RAM and a 2300 mAh battery as well as NFC support.
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http://tech2.in.com/news/smartphone...ew-android-smartphones-later-this-year/855412
So they are just gonna churn out phones after phones..Xperia Z will be forgotten even before the end of the year this way..And apart from that..why so many phones? And with same capabilities of XZ? Whats wrong with sony..Htc just learnt its lesson!
Releases of new phones won't make your Z any worse, FYI.
As long as Sony release 4.2.2 and hopefully 5.0 there's nothing wrong with them spamming the market.
Its not just about firmware..If you release so many phones in the market the brand value of a flagship like XZ decreases as your giving same features and water/dust proofing on lower end phones.. what was so unique about XZ? this was one of the key factors.
Well Sony are not going competed in the mobile market only releasing a couple of handsets pair year. If they did they may as well just go home. Think Apple are the only manufacturer that could truly do that at present. Remember Sony are struggling at the moment. So if this is there business strategy then so be it. I still love my XZ price depreciation and all.
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Well company needs to capture the market, Z is already running on an old processor, flagship from HTC and Samsung are using faster processors already, they have to keep up the fight with them. That said i am sure Z will get upgraded to 5.0 and we should not care much about other phones.
XZ does not have an 'old' processor..Yes its S4 Pro but its clocked and implemented in such a way that its 2 time faster than nexus 4 with the same processor.
Everything can be run on an XZ that S4 and HTC one can do..There is nothing they can do extra. The jump from XZ to ONE is 30% and that is just benchmarks..In real life usage you will be able to use any app or game that the HTC ONE plays..Battery endurance test on gsm arena is same 48hr for both..Btw HTC ONE Gl graphics benchmark is just 30 fps..Which is lower than XZ
P.S- XZ is cheaper than HTC ONE AND S4...I got it for 644$ in my country..S4 and HTC ONE are coming for Around 773$
While I do understand you might feel bad that your Z will get outdated soon, you should also understand the situation Sony is in currently.
The Mobile business is THE most crucial business for Sony currently and their future depends on it. If they can consolidate market share further and grab the No.3 spot with a solid lead over HTC, Huawei, ZTE etc it will secure the future of Sony Group as a whole.
So new phones will definitely keep coming this year as Sony needs to survive.
I think it's a bad mistake. Dilution of the brand can never be a good idea. This is not a question about keeping up with the competition, if they wanted to do that, then they should have strived to release the Z with the 600 cpu. Releasing devices with that cpu in September or October will not make any impression because by then all eyes will have turned to the 800 cpu and whatever Qualcomm has to offer after that.
This strategy didn't turn out too well for the Xperia T, the phone that quick time forgot. Even the Xperia S is still regarded by most as Sony's flagship of 2012.
Sony should not get too involved in the spec race, well as far as cpus go anyway. The s4 pro on the Z is plenty fine and it's not it's weakness.
Sony's major problem is software development, everywhere you look the Xperia brand is being let down by software. Whether it be releasing phones with dated os and taking forever to update. The Xperia S is still waiting for JB while the galaxy s2, Samsung's phone of 2011 is about to get it if it hasn't already.
On top of that, you often get very weak software from Sony that takes ages for them to improve.
The software on my Z is its weakest link, whether it be the ui lag or the poor camera software that means you really have to take your time to get the best results from the camera.
Again and again, the hardware is being let down by the software.
Considering how lean and feature poor the Sony software is, it's really shockingly poor that it takes them so long to a) release stable builds and b) roll out updates.
Samsung's touchwiz is packed to the hilt with loads of software additions but yet, Samsung get it out quicker, up to date, and more stable than Sony can dream of right now.
For me, this is where Sony falls down really badly. They really need to bring in some excellent developers to turn things around.
Having a so called flagship waiting almost a year for a software update is just pathetic.
I said it before, I'll reserve my final judgement on the Z until I see the 4.2.2 software because I know it takes Sony linger than most to put out decent and stable software. Also the 4.1 has little or no software additions from Sony with the exception of the new launcher which I think is a bit ridiculous without an overview mode and the stamina mode and new camera app. Everything still looks the same from the gingerbread days.
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Too many new phones will simply mean delayed updates.
The r&d team remains the same.
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Considering how lean and feature poor the Sony software is, it's really shockingly poor that it takes them so long to a) release stable builds and b) roll out updates.
Samsung's touchwiz is packed to the hilt with loads of software additions but yet, Samsung get it out quicker, up to date, and more stable than Sony can dream of right now.
For me, this is where Sony falls down really badly. They really need to bring in some excellent developers to turn things around.
Having a so called flagship waiting almost a year for a software update is just pathetic.
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I agree with your software complaint. The fact the camera takes 3 seconds to open is completely unacceptable, especially considering the Xperia S was so fast at booting up the camera. That said, I don't have too many problems with the software on the Z.
This is my first Sony smartphone, but I've noticed Sony almost always releases phones with outdated software AND dated computing hardware. The Xperia S was the first dual core Sony smartphone (I think) and it was months behind the Sensation, North American S2,and many others, all while having the same processor. Same goes for the Xperia T.
The fact that Sony intends to release so many phones this year probably has something to do with getting their high end devices to as many carriers/countries as possible. For instance, the Xperia Z isn't available in Canada. We're getting the ZL. In any event, coupling Sony's reputation for not releasing timely updates and the fact they're going to allegedly have 4-5 flagship devices this year, I'm not confident we're going to see many significant updates. Hopefully CM is able to keep us up to date!
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It isn't a new thing from Sony anyway... I have never use smartphone other than Sony 's for my entire life and it was since somewhere around x10 to x arc period they started to release phones to different target user like flagship, middle range and budget phones In each year.
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They simply replaced with smartphones their previous portfolio.
And this is natural. Every other OEM does that exept Apple.
This is good for the company to support all the market niches.
Would you rather they release phone to cater for everyone's budget OR be like apple and only sell expensive devices?
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^Seriously! Its not about them releasing multiple phones..Its about them releasing SO MANY phones..
Why not one for budget, mid-range and flagship? This is what i mean!
Simple. To make money. They know that if they release 12 phones in a year, for example, that 3 will sell REALLY well, 6/7 will sell fairly well and the remaining probably won't sell very well. But each one of those is still a sale which means more money for the company.
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The ZL is understandable as it's an experimental device to see how users react to the form factor. If it does well, I'm pretty certain Sony's flagship of 2014 will follow the same style. But if they release another flagship this year, that'll really piss me off, there is no need for a 600 cpu replacement for the Z. The Zs got all the raw power it needs. Flagship devices should stand for a year at least, the successful companies follow that principle. They can release a note style device this year but a new flagship smartphone, that demeans the Xperia brand, not to talk of the consequences for software support. They shouldn't go down that road again. Like I said before, software is their greatest weakness and I'd like to see signs that all resources are consolidated and brought to bare to offer the best possible user experience to a dedicated line of phones. If Sony don't address this software issue soon, I could conceivably go Samsung next year. HTC have proved that they don't quite no which way to go.
I also have a feeling that the gs4 will be the last cheap looking Samsung flagship we'll see. The s5 I expect will be different because it must be obvious to Samsung that that's it's weakest link too.
I also believe that Samsung is slowly beginning to accept that it's own proprietary stuff can't compete. We're likely to see them move away from super amoled to solux LCD displays and from exynos to snapdragon. We can see that happening already as 70% of s4s will use the 600 cpu. I don't think they'll have an exynos that can take on say a 2.3ghz cortex a15 snapdragon 800 cpu.
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What's wrong with releasing 4-6 phones a year ? They need to address the whole market, not only high-end devices, but also low-end, mid-end and entry level. Now people seem to have a problem with too many phones being released... seriously, what the hell has gotten into you people ?
Akiainavas said:
What's wrong with releasing 4-6 phones a year ? They need to address the whole market, not only high-end devices, but also low-end, mid-end and entry level. Now people seem to have a problem with too many phones being released... seriously, what the hell has gotten into you people ?
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But Sony is releasing 4-5 flagship devices. From the looks of it, 3 are coming out with the Qualcomm 600 cpu, and likely another with the Qualcomm 800 at the end of the year. Good for them but I suspect it will leave those of us with Xperia Z and ZL's waiting longer for updates.
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But Sony is releasing 4-5 flagship devices. From the looks of it, 3 are coming out with the Qualcomm 600 cpu, and likely another with the Qualcomm 800 at the end of the year. Good for them but I suspect it will leave those of us with Xperia Z and ZL's waiting longer for updates.
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Then wouldn't the obvious demand is for sony to hire more software engineer than to demands that they stop making more phone?
Other thing from other post is that isn't The other obvious answer on why they cant just release 3 phone a year for different price range is because HTC has done it with their one series and by the looks of it, the strategy fails miserably.
And I think from the time of the arc, sony had released 2 flagship a year, so not sure why people still think they will only do just one. The thing about sony is it main market are where people buy PAYG and without subsidies. So people are really price sensitive. Releasing 2 flagship would land sony as the cheapest but most powerful phone on the block. The Z here in Malaysia can be bought at around us550. Making it slightly more expensive than the nexus 4 and S3. The hTC one and S4 are a cool us200 more. The xperia V, which are much better than the s3 is now at US300, making it even cheaper than the S2.
Interesting enough by doing what a lot of people here hates, sony climb to number 2 spot just behind Samsung, while HTC with their one series experiment that people here seems to love drop even lower. So I guess, they are on the right track.
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All it looks like they're doing is throwing loads of phones out on the market and hoping one sticks and becomes successful.
The more devices they release the more delays it will cause with updates.
Bad move in my opinion but they obviously know better.
You do get the sense though with Sony that once a new mobile comes out their 'previous flagship' is dropped like a sack of *bleep* and it takes forever for anything to be updated.
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http://m.techradar.com/news/phone-a.../sony-admits-our-phones-can-t-compete-1113159
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http://m.techradar.com/news/phone-a.../sony-admits-our-phones-can-t-compete-1113159
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its poor to admit such things publicly , each phone has their own advantage.
s3- fast and cutting edge features
iphone - reliable
nexus - google experience
sony - best looking phones
Off course it can't compete right now without a single handset 100% Sony.
What we have available is Sony Ericsson's devices with Sony brand.
Next year will be the year.
I really need a decent display with a lot of power under the hood.
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its poor to admit such things publicly , each phone has their own advantage.
s3- fast and cutting edge features
iphone - reliable
nexus - google experience
sony - best looking phones
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You spelt "totally locked up and uncustomisable" wrongly.
They might not compete with iphone5 or Galaxy S3 but not all people are looking for these high-end phones. Not everybody are flashaolic nerds like me. I know a lot of people who still use their phone as a.... PHONE!!! In this category Sony is still a good choice for a phone.(Even I never owned one)
I agree Sony is by far the best looking and best screen android phone, but the miss some points like locked bootloaders and not so good cameras.
I had a xperia s and the device from specs was very nice, from specs I would prefer it as the S3 processor beast. But then with the use you miss important things like USB on the go (not workink but promised) and the 12 mp cam was a piece of SH....
If that happens, maybe Sony will take Samsung's place. Sony devices are in fact, powerful with great support (Also AOSP)
And the system is 200% cleaner than TouchWiz.
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You spelt "totally locked up and uncustomisable" wrongly.
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hahahaha....
very well said...witty and true! :laugh:
I dont really know.....they should make phone to rival sgs4 or iphone 5s/6....its nonsense to rival sgs3 (when its going to be year old flagship)...it is still going to sell well, but still...everybody says how sucky samsung devs are....but idk, they gave us some sweet features-sony should follow that step, high end hw<good software, today in my opinion....
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I dont really know.....they should make phone to rival sgs4 or iphone 5s/6....its nonsense to rival sgs3 (when its going to be year old flagship)...it is still going to sell well, but still...everybody says how sucky samsung devs are....but idk, they gave us some sweet features-sony should follow that step, high end hw<good software, today in my opinion....
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it's nonsense to rival iphone. Android doesn't rival, Android beats.
If I am not wrong (stopped stalking for latest releases after buying the S3), Sony still doesn't have a quad core flagship, so if you were indeed a Sony lover you would have already accepted the fact that right now they don't aim for specs (like Samsung does obviously) and like to provide a nice quality phone with decent price, specs and software (updates + aosp release). This is not at all a bad thing and I like where Sony are headed in the Android world.
Sony has cut back a lot, austerity for them due to a loose wallet subsidising blueray with the PS3. Imagine SGS3 costing 20% of its production costs
They hardly make anything themselves now. It's like Honda giving up and rebranding Kia's instead. Karma me thinks, for Sony Music being fascist psychopathic murdering scum
bala_gamer said:
its poor to admit such things publicly , each phone has their own advantage.
s3- fast and cutting edge features
iphone - reliable
nexus - google experience
sony - best looking phones
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Why does everyone use iphone and reliable in the same sentence? What's not reliable with an android phone? If anything, an iphone is much more unreliable (not hardware-wise, more like software-wise. Have you ever actually owned an iDevice in real life? If you did, you'd notice there are a lot more freezes and app crashes than with android.
Also, how can it be reliable if it doesn't even have proper multitasking?
Sony's 2013 top devices will have S4 PRO,5" 1080p screens,2gb RAM,water resistance,dragontrail glass,Exmor RS 16.2 mpx and 13mpx with third generation dual LED and the sexy look that only Sony know how to do...
But we just can wait with the best device in our hands right now.
If Sony really puts some weight behind these words, and they use the ST-Ericsson NovaThor SoCs next year, they will blow everything out of the water. The STE processors will be manufactured by Samsung, so they will have arguably the best mobile manufacturing process out there for the moment, while having the ImgTech G6xx0's GPUs which seem to look pretty unchallenged in performance.
Up until now all of Sony's devices were just outdated by a good more than half a year. In the mobile space where we basically have 1 year long product cycles, that's half of a product lifetime. The Xperia T is a nice phone, but at this point in time it's basically the same internal hardware as the One XL/S and NA S3's, which are 6+ months old. Don't get me started on the previous "flagships".
Let's hope they can deliver. They have the hardware available to do it.
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I agree Sony is by far the best looking and best screen android phone, but the miss some points like locked bootloaders and not so good cameras.
I had a xperia s and the device from specs was very nice, from specs I would prefer it as the S3 processor beast. But then with the use you miss important things like USB on the go (not workink but promised) and the 12 mp cam was a piece of SH....
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Funny you mention that Sony cameras are not so good when the SIII and Iphone 4s uses a Sony sensor.
http://9to5mac.com/2012/06/01/chipw...sung-galaxy-siii-sports-the-iphone-4s-camera/
Anyway, in the flagship they can´t compete, shure, but in the rest of the range, it has the best ones.
I currently have the SIII but below that Sony does better than Samnsung, in price/quality, at least in my country.
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Funny you mention that Sony cameras are not so good when the SIII and Iphone 4s uses a Sony sensor.
http://9to5mac.com/2012/06/01/chipw...sung-galaxy-siii-sports-the-iphone-4s-camera/
Anyway, in the flagship they can´t compete, shure, but in the rest of the range, it has the best ones.
I currently have the SIII but below that Sony does better than Samnsung, in price/quality, at least in my country.
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I can tell you that my xperia neo takes better photos then my s2 and my former xperia s. But not better then the s3. This was tested with the 4 phones in the same places and in same conditions. I m a sony fan. Allways had sony Ericsson phones. And tell you thay the xperia s is a great deception. I m not a great fan from samsung I had some y op devices and allqays had problems with them. But one I ensure you. S3 is by far better then any sony. Last I tell you if the xperia s had some features that it could have without problems, like otg usb, external sd, removable battery, and decent software for cam, I had prefere it has the s3.
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You spelt "totally locked up and uncustomisable" wrongly.
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thats another part of the story
I tried so hard analyzing but now at last I know their reasoning behind releasing Xperia S, Xperia P, Xperia U, Xperia Acro S, Xperia T, and whatever Xperia (ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ) phone they released this year. All along and all this time, those phones were meant to challenge Galaxy S2, HTC Sensation, iPhone4s and other phones from last year! What kind of mindset is that for a company? What have you become Sony? Argh!
The iPhone's implementation of panorama is a great example on why Apple are so good at creating user experiences for the lowest common denominator.
Yes, that's a nice way of saying it's made for stupid people. But making things for stupid people requires very smart ideas.
Sorry to all Sony fanboys here but I used Xperia Z for 2days and I can say its just ok mobile with good design, nothing special. Once S4, M7 will be announced XZ is dead.
Below are the points:
1. Its very expensive
2. Not really premium built, still plastic feeling. Power Button flimsy, not as attractive as shown/hyped in videos.
Try it, you will come to know
3. Poor viewing angles, Butterfly screen is far far better than XZ
4. Audio output poor via speakers
5. Only camera quality is good
NOTE - Iam not trolling its a good phone but not the Best !!!
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Obvious troll is obvious. How expensive do you think the M7, S4 etc are going to be? In Australia the XZ RRP is *less* than the street price of the SGSIII 4G (a 6 month old re-design of a 10 month old phone). Sounds good to me.
The rest is basically down to user needs.
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mattman83 said:
Obvious troll is obvious. How expensive do you think the M7, S4 etc are going to be? In Australia the XZ RRP is *less* than the street price of the SGSIII 4G (a 6 month old re-design of a 10 month old phone). Sounds good to me.
The rest is basically down to user needs.
M.
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I already reported his post as a troll/flamebait post to mods like 30 mins ago. It's best to not even respond to this kind of trash. When you see these just report them to mods using the report post button and ignore these little d-bag trolls.
Not troll but facts, you ignorent Sony fanboys................accept it XZ is just over hyped, get hands on then comment.
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Its a quad core phone with good looks and its water proof correct.me.if I am.wrong
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lol why are yall hating on this guy he is just stating his opinion on the phone....i mean he does have valid points...not like he listed anything off the wall here....
You want the best phone you'll ever get in your life, wait for the day before you die, then hoot the best phone at the moment.
Then you can say you have owned the best phone in your life.There is no best phone. Get what's good enough for your needs. If you buy a phone just to be a specification whore, then too bad.
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I somewhat agree though, the Xperia Z is launching in a month with outdated hardware. Well... not outdated but the S4 Pro and Adreno 320 has been out since last year.
The new HTC M7 and Galaxy S4 will be much more powerful and they are also launching soon.
So the Xperia Z will be overlooked again.
I'm still getting my Xperia Z though, cause I'm a Sony fanboy and also love the design.
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I somewhat agree though, the Xperia Z is launching in a month with outdated hardware. Well... not outdated but the S4 Pro and Adreno 320 has been out since last year.
The new HTC M7 and Galaxy S4 will be much more powerful and they are also launching soon.
So the Xperia Z will be overlooked again.
I'm still getting my Xperia Z though, cause I'm a Sony fanboy and also love the design.
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I think the point being raised here is that specs aren't everything. The Z won't be the most powerful phone this half, but it's still incredibly powerful all the same. I used to think my desire was good and it only pulled 4K in antutu compared to 20K for this phone!
What *does* sell the phone for me is that Sony are the only manufacturer to openly cooperate with and encourage the developer community. None of us would be here on XDA if we didn't care about modding/custom roms etc and life is going to be much better for the sony than it will be for upcoming Samsungs & HTC's. Samsung release broken kernel source and no source at all for exynos - what good is an 8 core CPU if you can't even get hardware UI accel working on anything other than a touchwiz rom. HTC are just dead slow, another GPL violation with kernel source for the latest HOX update, that and it still took some light modification for it to actually work. Don't forget they don't fully unlock bootloaders any more either and kernels have to be flashed via fastboot every time.
On the other hand, Sony have published source for the Z weeks before it is even available! Not only that, but they've chosen the chipset with the best open source support and also a massive dev community to pull from via the N4. I'm fully aware this won't be the biggest selling phone this year, I'm also fully aware that it won't be the most powerful.... but I just don't care, but it'll do what *I* want much better than the upcoming HTC/Samsung releases.
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this topic reminds me of me with my S3
Another fanboy of some company trolling the threads. He doesnt even give detailed explaination and picks up some random points and says its over-hyped. And what was the need to make a thread on this? You could have written the same thing in the main thread comments section. Obvious Troll!
M7 has the same APQ8064 just clocked higher. So its only going to be on par with the Z as Butterfly is behind Z in terms of performance. Extra 200mhz clock in the M7 might help it perform on par with the Z.
SGS4 will of course be more powerful than M7, Z and all other phones.
And the purpose of this thread is what exactly ? Xperia Z is not the 'bestest' and ultimate phone ever ? You don't say...
Mods, please close this flame bait...
xperiax10.awesome said:
You want the best phone you'll ever get in your life, wait for the day before you die, then hoot the best phone at the moment.
Then you can say you have owned the best phone in your life.There is no best phone. Get what's good enough for your needs. If you buy a phone just to be a specification whore, then too bad.
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Well said buddy, well said.
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People spent or will spend money to buy this phone, so I can't allow this thread to be opened.
Closed.
**This post isn't about the Xperia ZL. It's about the mistake Sony made in releasing two phones this year.
Way to screw up Sony. Hardly any public attention is being given to the ZL variant because you decided to release two phones with the same specs, but lavish all your advertising on the glassy backed one so you could market a waterproof gimmick. Sony made so little noise about the ZL version that everyone will ignore it. The developer support for the ZL is probably going to suck. And I'm going to bet you'll provide the Z faster OTA updates than the ZL too judging by how they've handled the launch. On the other hand, HTC is doing it right. One phone, one focus on marketing and support. You hear lots coming out of the Samsung advertising machine about the SG4. Anyone hearing much about the Xperia Z, let alone the ZL? Cricket....cricket.... Even XDA's mods think the ZL is safe to ignore because you can't even find the ZL forums from the main forum page, but have to go through either Devices or the sticky thread in the Z forum.
We all know that Samsung, HTC and Sony will probably stop updating the Android OS version on these phones in about 1 year (approximate). If I buy the HTC One I'm probably going to stand a much better chance of getting developer ROM's than I will on the ZL because you've allowed this phone to become forgotten and ignored right from launch. You should've taken a cue from HTC and just released the Z, and no ZL at all. Instead you've scattered your launch with 2 variants and made sure that we cannot buy both of them on every carrier. Stupid, stupid move. /facepalm. However, the SG4 and HTC One will be available on all carriers.
Nice going Sony. Whoever you have in charge of the "great idea" department who thought releasing two versions of the same phone with different feature sets and bodies but the same specs, only advertising one of them, and then deciding to only release one of them on some carriers and the other on the rest should be fired. You've just guaranteed yourself a 3rd place finish at best. Good job striving for excellence!.
Why don't you tell this to Sony.
I really don't care what they do and i am enjoying what i have between my hands.
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Sony gave people more options to choose from! What is wrong with them?
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gm007 said:
Why don't you tell this to Sony.
I really don't care what they do and i am enjoying what i have between my hands.
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Thanks, actually, I already have written their advertising dept, as well as left a Twitter for their VP of marketing over a month before launch. It's too late now. The HTC One and SG4 are all you read about at the top of every smartphone and tech news feeds. Hardly a whisper about the Z. That's going to translate into sales and support.
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Sony gave people more options to choose from! What is wrong with them?
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Sarcasm doesn't work unless the company you're talking about has a big success like the Galaxy line and can afford to split sales. Good game, thanks for coming.
So you came here to advertise sam and htc phones?
I don't think you are welcomed here.
We are tired from such s**t threads.
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gm007 said:
So you came here to advertise sam and htc phones?
I don't think you are welcomed here.
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ahhh ok, I'm sorry I get it now. You just want to be a rabid smartphone evangelist for Sony. And here I was thinking I wouldn't be wasting my time typing rational responses to you. Carry on with your pitchfork sir, the torches and throwing stones are in aisle 7.
We don't need sam and htc fanboys here,this thread should be closed.
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I agree on 2 points:
1. No point in having 2 phones with same specs (Z and ZL) obviously the Z is far more popular and it seems like a waste of development money and resources creating the ZL when the Z is superior in design.
2. Not enough advertising and carrier support. Still no word on a North American release date and carrier support which is crazy. Sony are missing out on a huge market here by giving it to HTC and Samsung instead. Terrible move on their part.
However I just bought a Z and I think it's easily the best phone I've ever used.
I've used an S3, Note 2 and One X+ and the Z is superior in all aspects.
Sure, the new S4 and One is coming which will be better but for now the Z is the best phone on the market. It's well designed and the Sony UI is fantastic and minimal which I like.
gm007 said:
We don't need sam and htc fanboys here,this thread should be closed.
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The only irrational fanboy here is you. I don't own either of those companies. In fact I dislike Samsung. I'm considering HTC because Sony obviously still doesn't get it. Whether your report button gets this closed or not, we'll see how your point of view pans out when the Z sales tank behind the SG4 and One just like the "James Bond" phone did. Hopefully Sony will finally learn for their 2014 phone and not fragment their phones into irrelevancy.
I hope your thread will give Sony a lesson LOL.
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ssj_jaypee said:
I agree on 2 points:
1. No point in having 2 phones with same specs (Z and ZL) obviously the Z is far more popular and it seems like a waste of development money and resources creating the ZL when the Z is superior in design.
2. Not enough advertising and carrier support. Still no word on a North American release date and carrier support which is crazy. Sony are missing out on a huge market here by giving it to HTC and Samsung instead. Terrible move on their part.
However I just bought a Z and I think it's easily the best phone I've ever used.
I've used an S3, Note 2 and One X+ and the Z is superior in all aspects.
Sure, the new S4 and One is coming which will be better but for now the Z is the best phone on the market. It's well designed and the Sony UI is fantastic and minimal which I like.
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Thank you, great points. I wish Sony had just scrapped the ZL. Because they're not going to make the Z available on all carriers, but are giving others the ZL instead, I can't see how this possibly could be good for Sony. If gm stopped typing nasty little temper tantrum little boy replies for a minute he'd get that I'd rather see Sony succeed than fail.
Rickard Skogberg (the high up marketing guy who ran the S(E) blog before) said they made two devices because the operators wanted it. Simple as that
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Thank you, great points. I wish Sony had just scrapped the ZL. Because they're not going to make the Z available on all carriers, but are giving others the ZL instead, I can't see how this possibly could be good for Sony. If gsm stopped typing nasty little temper tantrum little boy replies for a minute he'd get that I'd rather see Sony succeed than fail.
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The phones will still be available unlocked through Sony stores though.
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Rickard Skogberg (the high up marketing guy who ran the S(E) blog before) said they made two devices because the operators wanted it. Simple as that
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I'll take that with a grain of salt. Carriers and OEM's have a bad habit of pointing the finger at each other until you can never get to the truth.
The fact they have almost identical specs means that it'll be a case of anything working on the XZ working on the ZL unless I'm very much mistaken. /thread
ZL is crap. The design is ugly.
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It's too late now. The HTC One and SG4 are all you read about at the top of every smartphone and tech news feeds. Hardly a whisper about the Z. That's going to translate into sales and support.
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Ok here we go again.... What should I write this time....
The fact that YOU only hear about the HTC One and Galaxy S 4 (I don't hear anything about the Galaxy S 4 in the Netherlands) doesn't really have to do anything about which phone being better, Samsung/HTC spend more money/time advertizing their products. Heck I can't even remember ever seeing a commercial/Advertisement about a Sony phone in this case, so that's not something from 2012 or 13.
Edit: You can look at this in 2 ways:
1: Your way
2: Like someone said before, some people want to have a choice, some people don't have that much money, some people don't need waterproof.
So which one is the correct way? Answer: There is no correct way, it's all based on your perspective.
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The only irrational fanboy here is you. I don't own either of those companies. In fact I dislike Samsung. I'm considering HTC because Sony obviously still doesn't get it. Whether your report button gets this closed or not, we'll see how your point of view pans out when the Z sales tank behind the SG4 and One just like the "James Bond" phone did. Hopefully Sony will finally learn for their 2014 phone and not fragment their phones into irrelevancy.
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You don't have either of those phones (none of the 3 to be exact), but yet you're saying that the Z is worse? then the HTC One/SG4. Or did I get it wrong? " I'm considering HTC because Sony obviously still doesn't get it." So you're not choosing the Xperia Z/ZL only because of "poor marketing"? And there I thought that you were buying a phone and not a company, in the end who cares how companies advertise their products? If their products are good then it doesn't matter at all. Because in the end you don't buy an advertisement(At least you're not supposed to even though in this world people buy advertisements looking at how good crApple products are selling), you buy a product.
In my opinion it really doesn't matter (but I guess you noticed that already looking at what I wrote above). I'd rather be unique be the only one with an Xperia Z, instead of being a sheep and owning a phone that everyone else has. That's why I owned a Samsung Galaxy Note before the XZ instead of having a Galaxy S II for example.
Bottom line: The HTC One/ Galaxy S 4 aren't out yet (At least not here in Europe if I'm correct) the Xperia Z is, so even if you want to compare them in real life situations to see which phone is "best", YOU CAN'T!:angel:
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Ok here we go again.... What should I write this time....
The fact that YOU only hear about the HTC One and Galaxy S 4 (I don't hear anything about the Galaxy S 4 in the Netherlands) doesn't really have to do anything about which phone being better, Samsung/HTC spend more money/time advertizing their products. Heck I can't even remember ever seeing a commercial/Advertisement about a Sony phone in this case, so that's not something from 2012 or 13.
Edit: You can look at this in 2 ways:
1: Your way
2: Like someone said before, some people want to have a choice, some people don't have that much money, some people don't need waterproof.
So which one is the correct way? Answer: There is no correct way, it's all based on your perspective.
You don't have either of those phones (none of the 3 to be exact), but yet you're saying that the Z is worse? then the HTC One/SG4. Or did I get it wrong? " I'm considering HTC because Sony obviously still doesn't get it." So you're not choosing the Xperia Z/ZL only because of "poor marketing"? And there I thought that you were buying a phone and not a company, in the end who cares how companies advertise their products? If their products are good then it doesn't matter at all. Because in the end you don't buy an advertisement(At least you're not supposed to even though in this world people buy advertisements looking at how good crApple products are selling), you buy a product.
In my opinion it really doesn't matter (but I guess you noticed that already looking at what I wrote above). I'd rather be unique be the only one with an Xperia Z, instead of being a sheep and owning a phone that everyone else has. That's why I owned a Samsung Galaxy Note before the XZ instead of having a Galaxy S II for example.
Bottom line: The HTC One/ Galaxy S 4 aren't out yet (At least not here in Europe if I'm correct) the Xperia Z is, so even if you want to compare them in real life situations to see which phone is "best", YOU CAN'T!:angel:
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You're missing the point. If a phone has a stronger presence in public perception and is properly marketed then as long as the design and quality are fine, they will sell more. If the phone is quietly launched and doesn't make many waves then there are side effects: Lower sales = less people using the phone. The trickle-down effect to this are things like less likelihood of many people caring about timely OTA updates, possibly lower developer support for ROM's once Sony decides to EOL the Z for OS updates, small number of accessories like docks and cases, etc.
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You're missing the point. If a phone has a stronger presence in public perception and is properly marketed then as long as the design and quality are fine, they will sell more.
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Why do you think that I don't get the point?
The fact will always remain that we can't change anything about the situation. Of course better marketing means better sales.
If you know it better why don't you make your own company and show Sony the correct way (Not flaming you). Sony has been at the top of electronic devices for more then 3 decades so these people must know what they are doing. This is the first phone since from Sony since they were separated from Ericsson so maybe they need to do some more trial and error before things go better.
Just a couple of weeks old, the Xperia Z2 and Sony is already working on its newest flagship, the Sony xperia Z3.
What is expected??
Brand new design,
Newer display technology,
Faster CPU/GPU
More ram and more internal memory!
Why is Sony working so rapidly with flagships?
Director Kurozumi Yoshiro told Japanese media, that with all the technical evolutions in mobile devices, it's too hard to compete with a yearly cycle, so that they are forced to go ahead with a 6 month cycle, to make sure, Sony is still in competition!
What are your thoughts, your expectations and your wishes for the new upcoming "Z" device?
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If they could keep the software up to date on the "obsolete" £500 6 month old handsets with features and bug fixes then great. But they're going too fast and leaving people with expensive handsets with half finished, broken or missing software features. Hardware tends to be on the better side, imo
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Could this be a possible new design sony will be revealing?
A display with no edges and no bezels?
What are we to expect when there is a complete new design being worked on?
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Could this be a possible new design sony will be revealing?
A display with no edges and no bezels?
What are we to expect when there is a complete new design being worked on?
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I can guarantee you that that isn't the device that's going to be released as the Z3. Not to be rude, but no one here will have a clue what the Z3 or any future device is going to be. (or they do know, but can't say)
Read what I wrote. I did not say it's the device, I just asked if this could be a possible design!
Just to make sure there are no misunderstandings!!!
Regards!!
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I can guarantee you that that isn't the device that's going to be released as the Z3. Not to be rude, but no one here will have a clue what the Z3 or any future device is going to be. (or they do know, but can't say)
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I can guess it's omnibalance design
Can't believe what Sony is doing right now, I understand that you plan ahead on future products but this is too soon especially seing as the Z1 came out in October and now Z2 . I remember getting a pone and using it at least 12months before feeling outdated
Not at all impressed. The biggest issue is that the flagship we bring now won't be the most important 6 months down the line, and hence we won't get updates too quick (same with Samsung as well, though they tend to update both Note and S flagships together.), which is extremely stupid and a reason why I might move away from Sony.
well... i cant afford buying a new phone that often.... and i dont plan to for the future... i have had the arc s, S, Z and now Z1... maybe i will wait until the Z4 arrives before buying my next phone hehe
At last who cares about Z3? I don't, I care about Z1 and some aspects of Z2, just to compare them both. We have to focus to develop a massive Developing Section for Z1, this is what we should do now.
All ive got to say is Sony really lol
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good luck sony ,this is my last sony phone cracker jack toy,
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Just a couple of weeks old, the Xperia Z2 and Sony is already working on its newest flagship, the Sony xperia Z3.
What is expected??
Brand new design,
Newer display technology,
Faster CPU/GPU
More ram and more internal memory!
Why is Sony working so rapidly with flagships?
Director Kurozumi Yoshiro told Japanese media, that with all the technical evolutions in mobile devices, it's too hard to compete with a yearly cycle, so that they are forced to go ahead with a 6 month cycle, to make sure, Sony is still in competition!
What are your thoughts, your expectations and your wishes for the new upcoming "Z" device?
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You know who hates this more than users trying to keep up with next big thing? Stores who have inventory that's at risk of being discounted every 6 months vs every year. If I were stocking Sony I'd have a very strong contractual obligation that Sony covers the costs of big wholesale price decreases. Either that or I'd stock a very small amount of devices.
It's hard enough getting Sony phones in the States. Stuff like this is another reason retailers and carriers will not want to carry them.
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Just a couple of weeks old, the Xperia Z2 and Sony is already working on its newest flagship, the Sony xperia Z3.
What is expected??
Brand new design,
Newer display technology,
Faster CPU/GPU
More ram and more internal memory!
Why is Sony working so rapidly with flagships?
Director Kurozumi Yoshiro told Japanese media, that with all the technical evolutions in mobile devices, it's too hard to compete with a yearly cycle, so that they are forced to go ahead with a 6 month cycle, to make sure, Sony is still in competition!
What are your thoughts, your expectations and your wishes for the new upcoming "Z" device?
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Source?
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Source?
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There is no source for sure.
BTW, I predict the future too, I see Z5 in 2015. :cyclops:
..LOL..
eclyptos said:
There is no source for sure.
BTW, I predict the future too, I see Z5 in 2015. :cyclops:
..LOL..
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galaxy s to s5 took 5 years, z to z5 in 2 years, really sony is catching up
Going by what they said about releasing a flagship every six months, im pretty sure the Z3 is coming this year
But i wonder how long can Sony keep this rhythm
By next year we'll have 5 flaships still elegible for updates, not counting the rest of the Sony lineup
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A German android blog, who were at a conference where this was mentioned!
www.go2android.de/sony-xperia-z3-soll-schon-im-august-kommen/
It's not the only source, but it's the only source I am able to give you!!
I don't know when I can say more. But there is a lot more about this!
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You know who hates this more than users trying to keep up with next big thing? Stores who have inventory that's at risk of being discounted every 6 months vs every year. If I were stocking Sony I'd have a very strong contractual obligation that Sony covers the costs of big wholesale price decreases. Either that or I'd stock a very small amount of devices.
It's hard enough getting Sony phones in the States. Stuff like this is another reason retailers and carriers will not want to carry them.
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Well I have other sources, where people will be surprised and probably real mad, because other companies are thinking about starting the same tactics with 6 month flagships!
Can't mention who, but those are really big known high end producers
Sony is just the first to start off!
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Can't mention who, but those are really big known high end producers
Sony is just the first to start off!
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Ok, but this is not good at all!
So apparently the Zs are dead replaced by the newly announced Xperia X series.
There were 3 X models, none smaller than 5". Does that mean there will be no "compact" models anymore or for at least some time?
I think I'm done with Sony. Their decision making is a train wreck.
They can give is new devices with 4,6" or 4,7" devices.
Think about the performance which the compact devices have. No compact device from another manufacturer has nearly the same performance than their big brothers as from Sony!
I bought my z5c 3 days ago and i had changed from a z1c, and I didn't realize the different performance. The only change i realized is the fingerprinting sensor.
So what you want from a real compact device?
I did understand, that the X-series is "mid-to-high-end", whereas the Z will stay the "high-end" series.
(I think, the X-series does not make sense, too many devices... - just make the Z-series little cheaper ).
I'm sure they'll revisit in few years when Apple makes few more billion on the updated 5S and Sony slumps down further.
I'm by no means an Apple supporter but they seem to be the only ones that have any understanding what the market wants and how to make money...
I was telling myself I should have not bought the Z5 Compact and waited for X Performance instead, then I saw the expected price and I think Z5 Compact was a very good choice.
I really don't understand Sony's strategy at all now. Announcing new phones that won't be out for months is going to royally duck up the Z5 sales. No compact models, no phablet models. What is this X series supposed to be? Is Z6 coming at all? So many questions.
Also where's my Marshmallow? (but that's a whole other thread)
You'll have to wait more months to know this.
The XA is 5" but, based on the width, is nearly compact.
I think that Sony will launch a replacement for the Z5C at the end of the year.
Compact (one-handed) mid/hi-end phones are getting "a bit" popular. Apple is trying to launch a smaller phone (I know a lot of people who still use the small iPhone and consider the 4.7" iPhone 6/6S big). I think that Google realized that many customers didn't like the size jump from 5 to 5X. (And I didn't like the jump from GNexus or Moto X to Nexus 5 in size), so maybe we'll have some small Nexus alternatives, who knows..
In Japan, smaller phone is very demanding that's why Sony making compact and you guys will see next model again in future no worry. Z1c and Z3c even beat the sales of IP5s in Japan.
Sony has stated that z serieswas phase from sony ericsson to Sony. Now x series is their new series that will be their top line.
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I really don't understand Sony's strategy at all now. Announcing new phones that won't be out for months is going to royally duck up the Z5 sales. No compact models, no phablet models. What is this X series supposed to be? Is Z6 coming at all? So many questions.
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There will be no Z6
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony...ew-X-series-will-replace-the-Z-series_id78726
Let us all join in a moment of silence
Well I guess that just makes our z5c that extra bit special
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thesebastian said:
You'll have to wait more months to know this.
The XA is 5" but, based on the width, is nearly compact.
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But the Xperia XA is based on the budget Mediatek P10 SOC. Unless they put a high-end SOC in a compact phone I wouldn't consider it an alternative to the Z compact-series!
I hope they have something else coming. Otherwise I guess I'll have to stick with my current phone for a while longer than planned.
Sony fooled me once with the Xperia S and now with the Z5C (that I have kept in a box waiting for the FW update). They will never fool me again, that's for sure.
What was wrong with the XPERIA S? I LOVED that phone. Camera was a bit naff but everything was good. I especially liked the transparent LED strip at the bottom.
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What was wrong with the XPERIA S? I LOVED that phone. Camera was a bit naff but everything was good. I especially liked the transparent LED strip at the bottom.
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As you said, the camera, and the lack of updates, same as for the Z5C.
Was a smidgen close to buying the z5c again after trying and not liking the 5x. Glad I didn't. Support will be dead imo. I'm going for the new iphone se. Only new small high end phone incoming. I know most here don't care but it is rumoured to have the a9/m9 processors, hopefully 2gb ram, 12mp Camara, touch Id ect. Basically a high end 4 incher. Been using my son's old iphone 5 for the last couple weeks and I'm kind of loving it. Yeah I know, you'd never go to Apple no matter what. Ha well if Sony had their crap together, I wouldn't have been persuaded by another manufacturer.
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What was wrong with the XPERIA S? I LOVED that phone. Camera was a bit naff but everything was good. I especially liked the transparent LED strip at the bottom.
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I was a XS white user and that one no doubt more beautiful than my Z5c... lol
@weasel is right. Sony was the best manufacturer that prided performance in the compact lineup vs offering us a Mini. This has changed due to lack of sales cause they don't believe in lining pockets of reviews some 3 yrs ago to win the market and bait clicks on every Sony news. They pass HUGE dollars to bolster security leak and paid employees that sued them due to that security leak.
Their ensuring manufacturing costs don't explode with the higher US dollar which also affects profits in Europe and the UK!! Look at current currency exchange rates then tarrifs this hurts profits!
Sony is on a path to offer a sort of luxury lineup at the mid range with acceptable performance without heavy R&D which translates into more profits from revenues to fund a better Z series replacement at the high end luxury scale. Sony can test the waters with the X series (which is NOT the first time this existed, recall the X1 that was a beauty but built by HTC) this allows the Z lineup to continue selling, while they stop manufacturing in early May, empty out the distribution channels and complete revenues for that target market I'm happy to buy 2 Xperia Z5C's to hold me back until a real luxury compact suits my needs from Sony. Then the X lineup is introduced, if it fails no major cost to Sony. If it takes they may be able to release a new series with a name not a letter. Sony is running out of letters X is now repeated in 5yrs, M, S, Z, T, U, not much left that doesn't sound weird.
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"I did understand, that the X-series is "mid-to-high-end", whereas the Z will stay the "high-end" series.
(I think, the X-series does not make sense, too many devices... - just make the Z-series little cheaper  )." the Z series will have a price cut soon. But that's retail look for cheaper quality enjoyed Z's to keep you running. MARSHMALLOW DELAY is annoying BUT I'd rather NOT have Android Memory sharing like LG did with the G5!! I paid for my MicroSD I own it not Android! So don't for it on anyone. Samsung learner this with the SGS7 so I'm inclined to think Sony will too.
@josie I seem to recall the Xperia S had a few updates to Kitkat thus well supported. Not sure about camera woes though you may need to elaborate in full.
Sony already gave a statement saying the Z line is no more. I think it's a REALLY terrible idea, but they know better I guess.
It's possible they maybe working on something better b