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Beware Malware For Android In 20 Top Apps

Openness – the very characteristic of Android that makes us love it – is a double-edged sword. Redditor lompolo has stumbled upon a perfect example of that fact; he’s noticed that a publisher has taken "… 21 popular free apps from the market, injected root exploits into them and republished." The really scary part? "50k-200k downloads combined in 4 days."
Lompolo explains the situation quite well:
Link to publishers apps here. I just randomly stumbled into one of the apps, recognized it and noticed that the publisher wasn’t who it was supposed to be.
Super Guitar Solo for example is originally Guitar Solo Lite. I downloaded two of the apps and extracted the APK’s, they both contain what seems to be the "rageagainstthecage" root exploit – binary contains string "CVE-2010-EASY Android local root exploit (C) 2010 by 743C". Don’t know what the apps actually do, but can’t be good.
I appreciate being able to publish an update to an app and the update going live instantly, but this is a bit scary. Some sort of moderation, or at least quicker reaction to malware complaints would be nice.
EDIT: After some dexing and jaxing, the apps seem to be at least posting the IMEI and IMSI codes to hxxp://184.105.245.17:8080/GMServer/GMServlet, which seems to be located in Fremont, CA.
I asked our resident hacker to take a look at the code himself, and he’s verified it does indeed root the user’s device via rageagainstthecage or exploid. But that’s just the tip of the iceberg: it does more than just yank IMEI and IMSI. There’s another APK hidden inside the code, and it steals nearly everything it can: product ID, model, partner (provider?), language, country, and userID. But that’s all child’s play; the true pièce de résistance is that it has the ability to download more code. In other words, there’s no way to know what the app does after it’s installed, and the possibilities are nearly endless.
Justin pinged a contact at Google to bring the issue to their attention. In the time I’ve proofed this post, they’ve already checked the apps and are planning on pulling them from the Market [Update: holy cheeseballs, they've been pulled already! Took less than 5 minutes from first contact to pull!], as well as remotely removing them from user’s devices. Unfortunately, that doesn’t remove any code that’s already been backdoored in.
Let’s hope they’re quick to react – this is the ultimate Android Trojan to date, and it’s already been downloaded over 50,000 times.
Feel free to discuss this over at Droid Forums, or via the comments below.
Update: The publisher’s been removed entirely from the market, so you can no longer see the list of apps. Luckily, I managed to grab a few screenshots last night. There’s been a ton of response to this, and we’ve been contacted by a few big dogs. Justin is also working on a removal tool. I’ll be doing a follow-up post this evening.
Left: the real app. Right: Myournet’s virused-up version.
The offending apps from publisher Myournet:
Falling Down
Super Guitar Solo
Super History Eraser
Photo Editor
Super Ringtone Maker
Super Sex Positions
Hot Sexy Videos
Chess
下坠滚球_Falldown
Hilton Sex Sound
Screaming Sexy Japanese Girls
Falling Ball Dodge
Scientific Calculator
Dice Roller
躲避弹球
Advanced Currency Converter
App Uninstaller
几何战机_PewPew
Funny Paint
Spider Man
蜘蛛侠
Credits To xxx.AndroidPolice.com for the news
hxxp://xxx.androidpolice.com/2011/03/01/the-mother-of-all-android-malware-has-arrived-stolen-apps-released-to-the-market-that-root-your-phone-steal-your-data-and-open-backdoor/

top apps
Hilton Sex Sound
the **** ? i dont want to live on this planet anymore

PartyVirginX10 said:
top apps
Hilton Sex Sound
the **** ? i dont want to live on this planet anymore
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Hahahahahaha with the first post combined with your response I fell out of my chair in laughter. Lol.
Sent from my Delorean using a flux capacitor!

PartyVirginX10 said:
top apps
Hilton Sex Sound
the **** ? i dont want to live on this planet anymore
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Literally just laughed my ass off! Ahahadaa
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yeah, its mildly scarey. almost any reputable app name on the market has numerous duplicates by third party publishers. the scarier part is all the positive comments in these apps from all the clueless folks running stolen/modified software/software titles.

Think I'll be forwarding this to all those I know who are addicted to downloading for free from Applanet

LususNaturae said:
Think I'll be forwarding this to all those I know who are addicted to downloading for free from Applanet
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why? this is about the official google market...
What are you going to do, say "Don't get risky apps from there, instead get official risky apps! lulz"

fiscidtox said:
why? this is about the official google market...
What are you going to do, say "Don't get risky apps from there, instead get official risky apps! lulz"
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Because, this article says the "official" apps were edited and re-uploaded under another similar name.
On applanet, you can get some other "official" apps with similar small changes
This warning isn't about the original apps, just dangerous rip-off versions
And that's what applanet is full of.

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Because, this article says the "official" apps were edited and re-uploaded under another similar name.
On applanet, you can get some other "official" apps with similar small changes
This warning isn't about the original apps, just dangerous rip-off versions
And that's what applanet is full of.
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yes but these were in the official market... so why do you feel any safer? If you see an app for the first time and don't know any better, how would you know the difference?

, as well as remotely removing them from user’s devices.
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Um what? Forget the pissing malware, I'm far more concerned that google can pick and choose what's on my phone. Not to mention the privacy implications. Just what sort of access do they have to the data on our devices?

yeah I missed that line as I skimmed through it.. That is some sketchy stuff right there

How can i know if im infected? And if im how do i fix it? Stupid hilton... i mean guitar hero xD
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Hell!! thanx for d list i got 1 of them..

hessfer said:
How can i know if im infected? And if im how do i fix it? Stupid hilton... i mean guitar hero xD
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check this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=977154

Heres a more detailed list with the publishers names
Full list of infected applications published by "Myournet":
Falling Down
Super Guitar Solo
Super History Eraser
Photo Editor
Super Ringtone Maker
Super Sex Positions
Hot Sexy Videos
Chess
下坠滚球_Falldown
Hilton Sex Sound
Screaming Sexy Japanese Girls
Falling Ball Dodge
Scientific Calculator
Dice Roller
躲避弹球
Advanced Currency Converter
App Uninstaller
几何战机_PewPew
Funny Paint
Spider Man
蜘蛛侠
Full list of infected applications published by "Kingmall2010″:
Bowling Time
Advanced Barcode Scanner
Supre Bluetooth Transfer
Task Killer Pro
Music Box
Sexy Girls: Japanese
Sexy Legs
Advanced File Manager
Magic Strobe Light
致命绝色美腿
墨水坦克Panzer Panic
裸奔先生Mr. Runner
软件强力卸载
Advanced App to SD
Super Stopwatch & Timer
Advanced Compass Leveler
Best password safe
掷骰子
多彩绘画
Full list of infected apps under the developer name "we20090202″:
Finger Race
Piano
Bubble Shoot
Advanced Sound Manager
Magic Hypnotic Spiral
Funny Face
Color Blindness Test
Tie a Tie
Quick Notes
Basketball Shot Now
Quick Delete Contacts
Omok Five in a Row
Super Sexy Ringtones
大家来找茬
桌上曲棍球
投篮高手
Heres where the source came from
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/over_50_droiddream_malware_apps_removed_from_android_market.php

clemot said:
check this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=977154
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Tnx a lot man!
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hessfer said:
Tnx a lot man!
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yes thank you!

Thank God I've Never Installed this apps on my x10

PartyVirginX10 said:
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Hilton Sex Sound
the **** ? i dont want to live on this planet anymore
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ROFL ..... i can't find the like button ... otherwise i have to thank you lol

PartyVirginX10 said:
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Hilton Sex Sound
the **** ? i dont want to live on this planet anymore
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looooooooool
doppl really dl that thing???? hahahahaha

Rom integrated ad blocking...

Im running chris41g(?)s modded stock, and I was wondering if there was a way that I could integrate the awesome adblocking of the big roms myself... messing with i GUESS putting together my own rom, and this is the one thing of all I am missing the most. I guess I am getting old, just want a simple rom theme-wise, but love the tweaks... anyone wanna help? Trade secret? If its something relatively simple like using 7zip and changing a value, or something to adb push, I can do it... just dont know what method you use, and would love to be able to just do it myself. Gonna hit up chris to throw it in his rom, but id like to do it myself too... any help would be appreciated!
Thanks

You could include adfree app in the system/app location of the ROM. OR, you can use K0nane's method (which I am even unsure how it works.) ha

Overstew said:
You could include adfree app in the system/app location of the ROM. OR, you can use K0nane's method (which I am even unsure how it works.) ha
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I just put the hosts file from Adfree Android in /system/etc/.

k0nane said:
I just put the hosts file from Adfree Android in /system/etc/.
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How would I go about that? sorry... should I just drag and drop this hosts file in /system... ? And how do I get the hosts file? Install the app and pull the file off the SD?
Thanks for the help... trying to learn to do some of this myself... course I get the motivation when I get a job after a year of unemployment... speaking of no job, anyone seen the new COD Zombies thing... ? freakin sweet
is the app itself good enough? I read an old thread complaining about it, but that was from early froyo... no angry birds ads???

ungovernable1977 said:
How would I go about that? sorry... should I just drag and drop this hosts file in /system... ? And how do I get the hosts file? Install the app and pull the file off the SD?
Thanks for the help... trying to learn to do some of this myself... course I get the motivation when I get a job after a year of unemployment... speaking of no job, anyone seen the new COD Zombies thing... ? freakin sweet
is the app itself good enough? I read an old thread complaining about it, but that was from early froyo... no angry birds ads???
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Ive been all about the gears of war 3 beta atm,I just wish I could play like I want to,its down to about 4 hours on the weekend,and about 3 total during the work week. I even had to buy a used 360,my original one got the red ring,but it was an original 360 day one launch unit,so it sucked; Wish I could afford an elite,ohwell.
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k0nane said:
I just put the hosts file from Adfree Android in /system/etc/.
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You make my life better.

ecooce said:
Ive been all about the gears of war 3 beta atm,I just wish I could play like I want to,its down to about 4 hours on the weekend,and about 3 total during the work week. I even had to buy a used 360,my original one got the red ring,but it was an original 360 day one launch unit,so it sucked; Wish I could afford an elite,ohwell.
Sent from my MyFrankenstein EC05OCE using XDAP App...
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Im surprised a launch 360 made it that long.. that was one tough xbox. Yeah i have an OG 60 gig (now 320 7200rpm) PS3, from right after the blu drives got fixed... people say I should expect the ylod soon, but Im insane about my gear, most of it is in a server rack. I really need to get back into fallout vegas though, if they made a fallout mmorpg that played like the real game, I would never leave the house.
Anyways, thanks for the time on the adblocking... will try soon...

I put a zip to include adblocking in the op of my rom... its better than adfee because it doesn't block words with friends lol
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sorry to be so dumb but can someone please give step by step instructions of how to block ads in games? I am using Ad Free and it does not work on any game I have installed.

pre2epic4g said:
sorry to be so dumb but can someone please give step by step instructions of how to block ads in games? I am using Ad Free and it does not work on any game I have installed.
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did you open ad free so it can request super user permissions and download the latest host file? Usually have to reboot once afterwards. Works fine for me.

CapsLockKey said:
did you open ad free so it can request super user permissions and download the latest host file? Usually have to reboot once afterwards. Works fine for me.
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yes... and that still does not work. i found this CWM flashable file called EC05 AdBlock which does work. I cant remember from whom i got this file on XDA due to being drunk. if someone could please let me know to whom i should give proper credit it would be much appreciated.
Download Link: http://bit.ly/iDP42R

this has to be my favorite rom feature.

pixlz said:
this has to be my favorite rom feature.
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mine too!
though it is kinda annoying seeing the .. error loading page errors...
itd be pretty cool if someone would compile a real trimmed down apache or other webserver that only serves up a blank image when being accessed, have it only listen on localhost, and point everything back to localhost (i guess thats done already), to get blank spots, instead of 'error loading'

Scary Article. How do you protect yourself?

http://www.crn.com/240000735/printablearticle.htm
What software do you have to protect yourself/information?

Alias8818 said:
http://www.crn.com/240000735/printablearticle.htm
What software do you have to protect yourself/information?
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Before I open any app I open manifests.xml and change permissions. lol
Anything else We can do?

IMO, If you get anything like this. You deserve it! Almost just like on a PC. If your not smart enough to check your stuff before you put it on your phone, then stick to buying your apps. Don't open and launch things from emails you don't know about. Your not smart enough to know what sites are bad and how to control what your clicking through. By all means hurry and pirate an anti... app too please. Then I can charge you to fix it. XXX only make me money.
Did I miss anything? lol
Love,
Your loving IT Pro

Oh yeah I forgot. LBE security guard. Amazing root permissions app. It allows you to revoke certain apps permissions. Like if you don't want angry birds access to your data and wifi you can do that. An added plus is with that you dont get any more stupid adds.
Sent From My Sprint Galaxy Nexus via XDA Premium

Avast! Is pretty awesome, mostly anti-virus protection.........the malware stuff is a totally different kinda animal, would be great to see a good solid app.........gonna try Uber's recommendation.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using xda premium

I use a combo of several apps
Superuser (with PIN) for SU rights
AdFree - to block most ads
Droid Wall - to totally block data & WiFI on an app by app basis
LBE Privacy Guard - to remove specific permission from apps that require data access
One of the easiest thing to do, is only get apps from trusted sources, which will drastically cut down on risks
Finally, think twice about installing an app with a low number of downloads.

DCRocks said:
I use a combo of several apps
Superuser (with PIN) for SU rights
AdFree - to block most ads
Droid Wall - to totally block data & WiFI on an app by app basis
LBE Privacy Guard - to remove specific permission from apps that require data access
One of the easiest thing to do, is only get apps from trusted sources, which will drastically cut down on risks
Finally, think twice about installing an app with a low number of downloads.
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Why do you have LBE and Droid wall. You do know LBE has that function too right? Internet Firewall....
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ÜBER™ said:
Oh yeah I forgot. LBE security guard. Amazing root permissions app. It allows you to revoke certain apps permissions. Like if you don't want angry birds access to your data and wifi you can do that. An added plus is with that you dont get any more stupid adds.
Sent From My Sprint Galaxy Nexus via XDA Premium
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I agree 100% with this. The UI is super simple, and you can see how much data each app is using. It opened my eyes the first few times I used it as there were apps using data that had no real reason to. It didn't make sense to me.
As UBER mentioned, you can also disable GPS for apps like Angry Birds Space. I love how when you install a new app, a notification shows up up top reminding you to set permissions for that app.
Very basic, easy to use, and most importantly, powerful.

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So many people have Android devices now that it ruins it for everyone. That is what makes it a popular platform for that kind of stuff. Nobody ever released malware for Windows Mobile.
- 2 Bunny

kainppc6700 said:
So many people have Android devices now that it ruins it for everyone. That is what makes it a popular platform for that kind of stuff. Nobody ever released malware for Windows Mobile.
- 2 Bunny
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I don't see the issue I download everywhere and even sites I know aren't protected yet I have no malware or problems.
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Alias8818 said:
What software do you have to protect yourself/information?
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My brain

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XxLostSoulxX said:
I don't see the issue I download everywhere and even sites I know aren't protected yet I have no malware or problems.
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Same here. What kind of places do you actually have to go to to get a virus?
- 2B

kainppc6700 said:
Same here. What kind of places do you actually have to go to to get a virus?
- 2B
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Most likely, any Russian or Chinese market for cracked apps, as most of the infected apps come from these two regions.
Also, any hacker board for cracked apps has a higher than average chance of having an infected app

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Most likely, any Russian or Chinese market for cracked apps, as most of the infected apps come from these two regions.
Also, any hacker board for cracked apps has a higher than average chance of having an infected app
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I don't live in Russia or China, so I can't say I've ever been to one of these "cracked markets".
Could you provide an example of a "hacker board for cracked apps"?
- 2B

Used to use lookout, but I flash my phone so often I haven't downloaded it in a while.
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App Testing help

Guys,
I got few mail saying, My application Who is Tracking not working in Nexus10. I need you all help to confirm weather its working ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2328092
Looking forward to hear from you all.
Thanks.
JackSparo

This is nexus 10. If it didn't work on nexus 4 have them test in nexus 4 forum
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abdel12345 said:
This is nexus 10. If it didn't work on nexus 4 have them test in nexus 4 forum
Sent from my Xperia Play (r800x)
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Thanks I would like to confirm, weather working in nexus 10 too

jacksparao said:
Thanks I would like to confirm, weather working in nexus 10 too
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Ran a quick run on almost all of the tests. I can't say there were any issues noted. It produced the same predictable results as it did from my Galaxy S3. :good:

Thanks
TheAltruistic said:
Ran a quick run on almost all of the tests. I can't say there were any issues noted. It produced the same predictable results as it did from my Galaxy S3. :good:
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Be truth, The hacking technology coming up now, Before hacker will come up we want to block them.
Dear Hackers and Spammers Well this might just be the start of your night mare Amazing to see how simple apps can be potential spywares..
Got a review frm XDA member...

jacksparao said:
Be truth, The hacking technology coming up now, Before hacker will come up we want to block them.
Dear Hackers and Spammers Well this might just be the start of your night mare Amazing to see how simple apps can be potential spywares..
Got a review frm XDA member...
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To be honest, I think it's accurate because my devices didn't show any programs acting suspiciously. A lot of apps are using permissions that would be appropriate for them, however, if they're sending data to suspicious sources, like Facebook app sending my data to some server in middle-of-nowhere Russia then I'd double check and I don't think the app has this kind of feature (not from what I can tell from a 10 minute use of the app). However, with the results I got from my Galaxy S3 and my Nexus 10 I'd say that the app is detecting that my apps are using only the permissions I've granted them. Beyond that, I can't say for sure--not without using a third-party service like http://mobilesandbox.org/

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TheAltruistic said:
To be honest, I think it's accurate because my devices didn't show any programs acting suspiciously. A lot of apps are using permissions that would be appropriate for them, however, if they're sending data to suspicious sources, like Facebook app sending my data to some server in middle-of-nowhere Russia then I'd double check and I don't think the app has this kind of feature (not from what I can tell from a 10 minute use of the app). However, with the results I got from my Galaxy S3 and my Nexus 10 I'd say that the app is detecting that my apps are using only the permissions I've granted them. Beyond that, I can't say for sure--not without using a third-party service like http://mobilesandbox.org/
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We are updating the app, soon you will see lot more information.. Thank.
Now I know my app working in Nexus 10

xda labs thinks my 1+5 is a 1+1?

As the title states! What is happening with the phone I'm using? Lol.
I'm using RR unofficial!
By all accounts it's a 1+1? Haha.
Also I've paid for the XDA premium app which is pretty much useless now!
What happened?

You know you can manually change it in settings

click one the "OnePlus 5". All the OnePlus devices will pop up, and select OnePlus 5.

It's because you restored the app data from a OnePlus One backup. Wipe XDA app data and it should pick up the correct values.

Happened to me too, just change the My Phone options in the settings.

worldsoutro said:
You know you can manually change it in settings
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I did not know that I'll check it out, just odd, it's the first time i've seen this app do that.

Ascertion said:
It's because you restored the app data from a OnePlus One backup. Wipe XDA app data and it should pick up the correct values.
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nope I did not.
Never owned a 1+1

People use xda labs? I just go on here with my browser. Same with facebook Twitter Reddit and all that noise. Saves soooooo much battery too.

OcazPrime said:
People use xda labs? I just go on here with my browser. Same with facebook Twitter Reddit and all that noise. Saves soooooo much battery too.
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Might give that a try. Cheers

Like others have mentioned, you can manually select OP5 as your device. The latest test build (opt in through Settings) has an updated device lib though and should detect your device. A new updated beta will be out tonight (supporting the op5) for what it's worth.
Let me know if it's not. Feel free to drop by the Labs telegram and ping me. You can check your model number against the device name here at the open source Device Registry.

OcazPrime said:
People use xda labs? I just go on here with my browser. Same with facebook Twitter Reddit and all that noise. Saves soooooo much battery too.
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Yea a million users have used Labs. It's very efficient on battery.

blk_jack said:
Yea a million users have used Labs. It's very efficient on battery.
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Thats not what i said but i suppose anyone can post on here....

OcazPrime said:
Thats not what i said but i suppose anyone can post on here....
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You asked if people use labs and I told you they do. It also happens to be a battery efficient app. (Since you were, you know, posting about [battery] efficiency)

blk_jack said:
You asked if people use labs and I told you they do. It also happens to be a battery efficient app. (Since you were, you know, posting about [battery] efficiency)
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Wonderous info! Great post!

blk_jack said:
Like others have mentioned, you can manually select OP5 as your device. The latest test build (opt in through Settings) has an updated device lib though and should detect your device. A new updated beta will be out tonight (supporting the op5) for what it's worth.
Let me know if it's not. Feel free to drop by the Labs telegram and ping me. You can check your model number against the device name here at the open source Device Registry.
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Nah it did work, just clicked and changed I just found it odd that it didn't do it from the off.
All good now cheers mate. :good:
PS: the XDA app is one of the few social apps I do actually use, I have used the browser in the past but it's not as efficient for use as the app.

dladz said:
Nah it did work, just clicked and changed I just found it odd that it didn't do it from the off.
All good now cheers mate. :good:
PS: the XDA app is one of the few social apps I do actually use, I have used the browser in the past but it's not as efficient for use as the app.
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Glad to help and glad to hear you're getting use out of the app! ?

blk_jack said:
Glad to help and glad to hear you're getting use out of the app! ?
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Aye it's decent enough fella, be nice to select text on the fly though or to share a specific post via its actual line number.
Ways around it though I suppose.
In regards to power consumption, it's not anywhere near the top of my battery hog list so I'm not too worried about that.

dladz said:
Aye it's decent enough fella, be nice to select text on the fly though or to share a specific post via its actual line number.
Ways around it though I suppose.
In regards to power consumption, it's not anywhere near the top of my battery hog list so I'm not too worried about that.
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Aye, unfortunately sharing by post line would mean we'd have to use some kind of complex anchor system since each person's device (or PC) could show different text depending on the resolution, etc.
As for copying text, we had to get rid of inline long press due to an Android bug. Instead you can long press on a post and select copy text, then copy from the dialog that pops up.

blk_jack said:
Aye, unfortunately sharing by post line would mean we'd have to use some kind of complex anchor system since each person's device (or PC) could show different text depending on the resolution, etc.
As for copying text, we had to get rid of inline long press due to an Android bug. Instead you can long press on a post and select copy text, then copy from the dialog that pops up.
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Ahh i see, no worries mate i can get by. Cheers though fella.

Ascertion said:
It's because you restored the app data from a OnePlus One backup. Wipe XDA app data and it should pick up the correct values.
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It's not the case, the OP5 is my first device and have the same problem !