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Someone knows if you have got 1Gb ROM hidden the hd2? or are you working for finding the "hidden ROM"?(if the phone has got it). Sorry for my english
Greetings yo all
adrianfly said:
Someone knows if you have got 1Gb ROM hidden the hd2? or are you working for finding the "hidden ROM"?(if the phone has got it). Sorry for my english
Greetings yo all
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That's almost like asking: "anyone found god somewhere?"
appelflap said:
That's almost like asking: "anyone found god somewhere?"
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hehehe made my day. But to answer the original poster, no.
Well sayin that, i think its a fair question from the OP. i dont know why he is being shot down so quickly.
We already all know now that our EU LEO's come with the 576 ram like the US LEO's, so why is it so unrealistic to assume that they might ship with the same rom aswell? (just software locked away)
Has anyone actually confirmed that the chip on the main logic board is 100% deffinatley a 512mb rom yet? (i believe some dedicated forum members are looking into it at this moment)
Until this is confirmed aswell, im still open to the idea that HTC just shipped that same phone to us in the EU that the US are getting aswell.
Its not Impossible guys.
aikon359 said:
Well sayin that, i think its a fair question from the OP. i dont know why he is being shot down so quickly.
We already all know now that our EU LEO's come with the 576 ram like the US LEO's, so why is it so unrealistic to assume that they might ship with the same rom aswell? (just software locked away)
Has anyone actually confirmed that the chip on the main logic board is 100% deffinatley a 512mb rom yet? (i believe some dedicated forum members are looking into it at this moment)
Until this is confirmed aswell, im still open to the idea that HTC just shipped that same phone to us in the EU that the US are getting aswell.
Its not Impossible guys.
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While I am loath to think that HTC would do something like this, Intel does it all the time...
...so it's not unheard of...
Spike15 said:
While I am loath to think that HTC would do something like this, Intel does it all the time...
...so it's not unheard of...
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There is nothing loathsome about it, HTC published the specs and we paid the money, it isn't like they delivered an inferior product to what they claimed.
In fact... they gave us more for the price we paid and if it is actually 1GB of ROM... well oh boy, triple booting WM6.6, Android and Maemo anyone?
i just still cant figure out HTC's reasoning for crippling the eu phone at release though. its strange. Surely it took them more time and resources to try and hide that extra 128mb ram instead of just releasing it with its full compliment.
Maybe t-mobile usa made an agreement with HTC just prior to the original relase in the eu so they could have what appears to be a superior unit.
At that point, instead of changing the manufacturing process and parts (thus costing them more money to reorder different nand chips) they just software crippled the EU version so the usa Model looked better on release.
The mind boggles lol!
@Beastage - I like the way you think ;-) im just holding out patiently for the awesome devs here to crack the hard ole task of booting Anroid onto the HD2 (fingers crossed when the HTC Bravo **im pretty sure it was the bravo at least lol** is released, someone will rip the rom from that and possibly port it over, seein as the bravo appears to basically be a reworked HD2 eh. 0_0 )
Beastage said:
There is nothing loathsome about it, HTC published the specs and we paid the money, it isn't like they delivered an inferior product to what they claimed.
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I guess you're an uneducated bumpkin who thinks "loath" and "loathe" have the same meaning.
I said: "[...] I am loath to think that HTC would [...]".
What this merely meant was that I was reluctant to think that HTC would put hardware in a device, and then lock the use of said hardware out in software, due to the fact I don't like this practice.
I have no problems with the specs I paid for, nor do I have a problem with the specs changing for the T-Mobile HD2, the only problem I have is with them advertising one set of specs, delivering a device with hardware in excess of the specs, and then making the software make the hardware appear to be in-line with the advertised specs.
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i just still cant figure out HTC's reasoning for crippling the eu phone at release though. its strange. Surely it took them more time and resources to try and hide that extra 128mb ram instead of just releasing it with its full compliment.
Maybe t-mobile usa made an agreement with HTC just prior to the original relase in the eu so they could have what appears to be a superior unit.
At that point, instead of changing the manufacturing process and parts (thus costing them more money to reorder different nand chips) they just software crippled the EU version so the usa Model looked better on release.
The mind boggles lol!
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"Crippling" implies it was intentionally... they may just have run out of development time for the product and needed to release it without the additional memory address registers for the full RAM to be utilised. Between the Euro launch and USA launch they are releasing new firmware and radio's and because of this we are able to access the additional RAM (2.02 ROM and 2.06 Radio)
Alternatively maybe they were having confliction somewhere when the extra RAM was addressed so they chose to limit it to a stable amount to make sure the HD2 release went on time in Europe/Asia... and therefore I suppose that could be classed as crippling the device but also making it stable.
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Well sayin that, i think its a fair question from the OP. i dont know why he is being shot down so quickly.
We already all know now that our EU LEO's come with the 576 ram like the US LEO's, so why is it so unrealistic to assume that they might ship with the same rom aswell? (just software locked away)
Has anyone actually confirmed that the chip on the main logic board is 100% deffinatley a 512mb rom yet? (i believe some dedicated forum members are looking into it at this moment)
Until this is confirmed aswell, im still open to the idea that HTC just shipped that same phone to us in the EU that the US are getting aswell.
Its not Impossible guys.
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I didn't intend to shot the OP down. I think it's a rather metaphysical question at the moment. But at this point I want to declare myself agnostic. I don't see the point of not asking questions about the hidden ghost in our machines, but I don't embrase them either.
I'm happy with my device as it is... but, on the other hand, the more the better of cause
It's a rather philosophical question about the attitude towards technology. I like Heideggers standpoint on this: we should say yes and no to it (lol, speaking of off-topic reactions...)
im deffinatley with you on that one appleflap ;-)
the more i can squeeze out of this device the better ;-)
fingers crossed with whats going on, it seems to be a good year for the hd2!
1: 576 ram instead of 448
2: possible 1gb rom instead of 512
3: full n spec wireless
4: possible fm transmitter
5: android at some point
6: WM 7
God it feels like christmas came early lol
if i were htc executive i will talk to ms whether 512mb ram enough for wm7 or not. then ms will say to me wm7 needs 1gb ram . so htc please make device to support ms coz i want many peop;e to use my products. hows this? u think htc executive is stupid?
koong32 said:
if i were htc executive i will talk to ms whether 512mb ram enough for wm7 or not. then ms will say to me wm7 needs 1gb ram . so htc please make device to support ms coz i want many peop;e to use my products. hows this? u think htc executive is stupid?
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No, I don't think "htc executive" is stupid, but that's not how business works. They'd be more likely to sell us something now that will not run WM7, so that we have to buy something else at the end of the year that will support it. Don't forget, by the time WM7 comes out the HD2 will have been out for about a year. If there is 1GB of ROM there (and I really, really don't think there is, but would love to be wrong), I seriously doubt it's got anything to do with WM7.
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No, I don't think "htc executive" is stupid, but that's not how business works. They'd be more likely to sell us something now that will not run WM7, so that we have to buy something else at the end of the year that will support it. Don't forget, by the time WM7 comes out the HD2 will have been out for about a year. If there is 1GB of ROM there (and I really, really don't think there is, but would love to be wrong), I seriously doubt it's got anything to do with WM7.
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But then again, htc could not be stupid in another way. Maybe their strategy is as follows: bring a powerful device on the market (most powerful at the current moment) and reveal more horsepower when the competitors are coming with their answers. I think that is marketing strategy that could really work. Especially when you've created a broad user-base for a particular device.
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i just still cant figure out HTC's reasoning for crippling the eu phone at release though. its strange.
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That might be far-fetched, but *could* have to do with taxing. In certain countries in Europe, like mine, digital devices are taxed on the amount of memory they hold. The tax amount is pretty high as well, and since this was introduced the majority of MP3 players and phones have gone the "small onboard memory with memory card slot" way, sometimes even bundling them with a memory card to get around the tax...
So this could be related, keeping the amount of memory under X allowing to either avoid the tax in the said countries, or at least stay below a certain tax level...
When they introduced it, it more or less killed the home set-top DVD recorders with HDD, as for example the price for a 250GB model that would cost $300 (before tax) was taxed an insane extra $100...
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But then again, htc could not be stupid in another way. Maybe their strategy is as follows: bring a powerful device on the market (most powerful at the current moment) and reveal more horsepower when the competitors are coming with their answers. I think that is marketing strategy that could really work. Especially when you've created a broad user-base for a particular device.
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These are all relevant arguments, and they all have up-sides and down-sides. For example, how unhappy would you be if after having a HD2 for say 8 months, HTC turn round and say "Here... run this. It will double your ROM size." Although you'd be grateful, I bet you'd be annoyed too, remembering all those times you were nearly out of storage space, insisting on not installing marketplace apps and having to manually move caches to your storage card!
Let's simply agree that business decisions very rarely make sense to the people they actually affect.
u all know, that there will be 2 versions of the WM7.. one business and one multimedia.. i think, when the WM7 comes out, then we get just the business bcs. it will not need so many space, and the 1GB version gets the multimedia.. we will see..
PS: when u look on the PSP u see.. when it came out, the CPU was?? and now?
some of you keep saying that the EU models shipped with the hidden ram that the usa version has, does this mean that the asian versions do not have the extra ram hidden away?
thanks
DTDK said:
some of you keep saying that the EU models shipped with the hidden ram that the usa version has, does this mean that the asian versions do not have the extra ram hidden away?
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it has the hidden ram are in hd2 worldwide version and it was first discovered in an asian hd2 just flash the proper radio and hav fun
would a sim locked legend suffer from a big performance drop?
I am asking this mainly because my x1 ran a lot faster once I unlocked it.
I heard that there isn't a software to unlock the sim-lock....is that true?
and I haven't touched any android apps, so are they going to have constant free updates such as fixing bugs?
anyway, thanks for reading
(final note, I can't believe I can't buy phone off from amazon.com and mail it to australia, not even the uk one does..)
Nope, sim-unlocking shouldn't affect performance...
There is no software to SIM unlock the Legend. You'll need an unlock code from the carrier or a third party.
Android applications (at least the more popular ones) seem to get updated on a regular basis, with bug fixes, new features, etc.
Hope that helps.
chuck232 said:
Nope, sim-unlocking shouldn't affect performance...
There is no software to SIM unlock the Legend. You'll need an unlock code from the carrier or a third party.
Android applications (at least the more popular ones) seem to get updated on a regular basis, with bug fixes, new features, etc.
Hope that helps.
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thanks man!
I am pretty excited to move to Andorid platform, have quite a large expectation actually
anyone has some recommended apps for me?
Assuming the hardware is identical for the Google edition S4/ to the ATT version, i assume once you PhoneWizards get a hold of one of them and remove the ROM or Google is a G and releases that said ROM , we could jimmy that onto an ATT bought phone and be in Google heaven?
Like wise the updates could be applied as needed via the code release or extraction?
or is there some neeto software lock they are cooking into that so it wont work on a Non "edition" phone? (at least until the smarties hack it)
Okay thanks !
i booted up CM10.1 yesterday, and thank god for you people, i donated 10 bucks to the cause
This ROM's release will show how the developers at Google and HTC are at a different level when it comes to ROM development and stability! I can't wait for the release.
Agree
Weldzor said:
Assuming the hardware is identical for the Google edition S4/ to the ATT version, i assume once you PhoneWizards get a hold of one of them and remove the ROM or Google is a G and releases that said ROM , we could jimmy that onto an ATT bought phone and be in Google heaven?
Like wise the updates could be applied as needed via the code release or extraction?
or is there some neeto software lock they are cooking into that so it wont work on a Non "edition" phone? (at least until the smarties hack it)
Okay thanks !
i booted up CM10.1 yesterday, and thank god for you people, i donated 10 bucks to the cause
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I totally agree. I can't imagine the rom being too different. I just purchased an ATT GS4 for $1.74 from BestBuy. I couldn't give up the deal especially with the GE GS4 going for over $500, but I'm hoping to install the GE rom on it. Either that or I'll sell mine on ebay and just buy the GE outright. I hope this comes soon. Wanted to put CM on it but read that I would lose the IR and bluetooth on it. Wasn't worth it for me to lose it.
mrwifi said:
I totally agree. I can't imagine the rom being too different. I just purchased an ATT GS4 for $1.74 from BestBuy. I couldn't give up the deal especially with the GE GS4 going for over $500, but I'm hoping to install the GE rom on it. Either that or I'll sell mine on ebay and just buy the GE outright. I hope this comes soon. Wanted to put CM on it but read that I would lose the IR and bluetooth on it. Wasn't worth it for me to lose it.
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From what I've been reading...the google edition probably won't have support for the ir blaster or other new sensors...but right now it is just speculation
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I think the devs will be able to get it ported over to the other GS4 variants and vice versa for any google edition S4 owners who want the Samsung ux.
itismadhan said:
This ROM's release will show how the developers at Google and HTC are at a different level when it comes to ROM development and stability! I can't wait for the release.
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What does HTC have to do with anything? You must mean Samsung?
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Google stock will have drivers for those sensors.. just lack of package to enable features (which is Touchwiz). Probably 3rd party remote apps still can use IR blaster.
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Does anyone know when this is expected to be released ?
LordGeek said:
Does anyone know when this is expected to be released ?
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June 26th I think
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I wonder if the Google edition S4 rom will support exFAT SDCards. If it does, I would switch from Samsung's roms. If it does not, I won't.
I most certainly will NOT use FAT32 formatting on my 64GB SDCard!!
rcklss1 said:
June 26th I think
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I've heard June 26th as well.
So is the only true advantage of getting the google edition phone is that it will have the boot loader unlocked? Since the current loki way of getting custom roms into our phones can be later patched and prevent us from installing newer version of android OS? Sorry for the noob question and observation.. but I still have time to return this the gs4 and just wait for the google edition so I'm trying to decided what is the best choice here.. I have the 32gb version which I would be losing that extra space and I'm hoping they offer it in black
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So is the only true advantage of getting the google edition phone is that it will have the boot loader unlocked? Since the current loki way of getting custom roms into our phones can be later patched and prevent us from installing newer version of android OS? Sorry for the noob question and observation.. but I still have time to return this the gs4 and just wait for the google edition so I'm trying to decided what is the best choice here.. I have the 32gb version which I would be losing that extra space and I'm hoping they offer it in black
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Well...I wouldn't return it if you got it with a contract, from what I understand the google edition will not be sold by carriers under a contract...so no $200 subsidized price. You will have to pay the full $600+ it costs...so if your interested in it than your probably gonna want to sell your s4 on craigslist for as close to full retail you can get...you should easily be able to pull in $600 for the 32gb
As far as other benefits besides an unlocked bootloader, we are not sure. It may or it may not come with drivers for the new sensors, one user claimed a page back that it would have drivers just not programs to use them...we don't know that, there is no solid evidence I'm aware of that says drivers will be included, its all speculation right now...I'm hoping they include drivers, but I'm not going to hold my breath for it either
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Almost certain things like the IR blaster wont be functional in the Google Edition devices, they already stated that the HTC One GE ir blaster won't be supported.
Curious why this isn't a more hot topic right now with the phones releasing tomorrow. Is there another thread somewhere with updated info?
Samsung AND HTC have google editions now
Their is also an HTC 'pure google' phone now, like they announced for the S4
eskomo said:
What does HTC have to do with anything? You must mean Samsung?
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I bet the Google rom will be the fastest spreading rom ever. Just a hunch.
penguinjoe said:
I wonder if the Google edition S4 rom will support exFAT SDCards. If it does, I would switch from Samsung's roms. If it does not, I won't.
I most certainly will NOT use FAT32 formatting on my 64GB SDCard!!
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Why not? There are ways to format a 64GB card as FAT32. I did so just fine on mine.
I'm curious about this as well. I'm using Nova Launcher, so at least I don't have to deal with TouchWiz, but pure would be nice...
Christopher3712 said:
Why not? There are ways to format a 64GB card as FAT32. I did so just fine on mine.
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Dranakin said:
I'm curious about this as well. I'm using Nova Launcher, so at least I don't have to deal with TouchWiz, but pure would be nice...
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There are a couple of reasons.
File size
FAT32 has a 4GB file size limit. That does not exist on a exfat filesystem. If I want to drop a 5-8GB HD movie on my sdcard, I can with exfat. With fat32, I need to either transcode the movie down to fit or split it up.
Fragmentation.
While the general thought is that SDCards don't need to be defragmented due to there being no moving parts, there is a study here that shows much different results: http://www.lagom.nl/misc/flash_fragmentation.html The results are shocking! Now add in the 32K cluster sizes (32GB sdcards only need 16k clusters) and you will see that fat32 filesystems would be a really bad idea for >32GB (or any for that matter) SDCards. Microsoft won't even support it. You have to go to third party utilities to force formatting these to FAT32. If Microsoft refuses to support >32GB on a drive with FAT32, what do they know that we don't? It is their file system!
Fat32 is simply a beefed up version of the FAT filesystem that was created in the 1970s. There really is no real difference beyond the bits used in the file allocation table to support larger and larger volumes. It is absolutely archaic in how it stores files and heavily prone to fragmentation. Worse, due to the limited lifespan of an SDCard or SSD, it is not recommended to defragment these often. Exfat has had its file allocation functions totally revamped to reduce or remove fragmentation. In fact it was designed specifically with solid state storage in mind.
So yeah, I'm, not keen on formatting my 64GB SDCard with FAT32. In fact if I could get away with exfat on my 32GB sdcard I be tempted to use it there too.
Hell, I would even be happy with ext2 or ext3 on my SDCard. I have no problem accessing Linux filesystems on my Windows box.
Maybe it's a stupid question to many, but... I have the chance to order a 32gb korean version of the S4 off Taobao.com, and since I live in China it's quite convenient. The only issue I have is that I refuse to use an android phone without rooting it, and I've been a happy Wanam user for a long time on my S3.
The taobao seller states that 16gb ROMs CANNOT be used for 32gb models AT ALL, but I know better than blindly trusting ignorant Chinese vendors who usually don't know what they are talking about (personal experience).
It does not matter whether it's 9500, 9505 or whatever, this seller has all the models (even 9508 dual sim), I just want to understand if SIZE is a problem or not... Will I be able to just simply root it, and keep using the stock ROM at least? Or maybe I'll even be able to install ANY 16gb ROM of my choice? Or none of the above???
Thanks!
P.S. I searched the S4 forums but found no reference at all to this question...
UoMoTaLpA said:
Maybe it's a stupid question to many, but... I have the chance to order a 32gb korean version of the S4 off Taobao.com, and since I live in China it's quite convenient. The only issue I have is that I refuse to use an android phone without rooting it, and I've been a happy Wanam user for a long time on my S3.
The taobao seller states that 16gb ROMs CANNOT be used for 32gb models AT ALL, but I know better than blindly trusting ignorant Chinese vendors who usually don't know what they are talking about (personal experience).
It does not matter whether it's 9500, 9505 or whatever, this seller has all the models (even 9508 dual sim), I just want to understand if SIZE is a problem or not... Will I be able to just simply root it, and keep using the stock ROM at least? Or maybe I'll even be able to install ANY 16gb ROM of my choice? Or none of the above???
Thanks!
P.S. I searched the S4 forums but found no reference at all to this question...
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As long as you're flashing a i9505 ROM to an i9505-like(aka U.S. Carriers variants) device, and an i9500 ROM to an i9500-like device, you'll be just fine. Don't try to flash unlike devices(i.e. i9505 to i9500) though. Best case scenario, the flash will fail. Worst case, you'll brick the device.
Internal storage capacity has never, to my knowledge, had anything to do with what you could or could not flash.
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As long as you're flashing a i9505 ROM to an i9505-like(aka U.S. Carriers variants) device, and an i9500 ROM to an i9500-like device, you'll be just fine. Don't try to flash unlike devices(i.e. i9505 to i9500) though. Best case scenario, the flash will fail. Worst case, you'll brick the device.
Internal storage capacity has never, to my knowledge, had anything to do with what you could or could not flash.
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That would be my same guess, although the seller was adamant to the fact that it won't absolutely work (he even declared that he tried himself...). Though I agree with you, I'll wait for some concrete proof, when 32 and 64 gb versions will be more widely available, or at least until someone comes out with a first-person experience of this.
Anyway, thanks
UoMoTaLpA said:
That would be my same guess, although the seller was adamant to the fact that it won't absolutely work (he even declared that he tried himself...). Though I agree with you, I'll wait for some concrete proof, when 32 and 64 gb versions will be more widely available, or at least until someone comes out with a first-person experience of this.
Anyway, thanks
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I don't want to call the guy out... but that seller has some very funny ideas; likely he was trying to flash unlike devices. If you want further feedback, I'd suggest posting this question over in the AT&T forums since the 32gb is more widely released. Further, from my past experiences, I've successfully flashed ROMs intended for the Developer Edition(64gb) of the HTC One onto my 32gb.
Let's say, hypothetically, he's correct--the developers who create the ROMs would be required to, perhaps not by forum rules but more so out of "I'm not responsible if you do this," declare their ROMs only usable by certain phones with certain storage capacities?
I will applaud you for taking your time, reading, and doing research before jumping into the fray. Is this your first phone you've rooted?
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I don't want to call the guy out... but that seller has some very funny ideas; likely he was trying to flash unlike devices. If you want further feedback, I'd suggest posting this question over in the AT&T forums since the 32gb is more widely released. Further, from my past experiences, I've successfully flashed ROMs intended for the Developer Edition(64gb) of the HTC One onto my 32gb.
Let's say, hypothetically, he's correct--the developers who create the ROMs would be required to, perhaps not by forum rules but more so out of "I'm not responsible if you do this," declare their ROMs only usable by certain phones with certain storage capacities?
I will applaud you for taking your time, reading, and doing research before jumping into the fray. Is this your first phone you've rooted?
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Not at all, I rooted my first HTC Legend years ago, then my current S3,and so on. Happy user of Wanamlite ROM on my current S3 at the moment. Anyway, I guess our idea is correct. Not to belittle the vendor's experience, but in MY experience PRC people can be quite often very ignorant, or appear so at the very least, and declare the impossibility of an action or a request just to avoid any sort of responsibility in case the crap hits the fan... Think it as a sort of "ultimate disclaimer": I told you not to do it, so if you try and break it it's your problem.
After saying all this, I guess I'm in no rush since my S3 is still working like a charm after more than one year, I'm just exploring the S4 alley since I bough a SUPERCOOL Nolan bluetooth helmet for my bike, I use 2 sim cards at the same time (1 personal=S3, 1 work=HTClegend) and the HTC Legend's bluetooth is sort of fried So I was looking for a way to upgrade things.
I'll follow your suggestion and try to post in the AT&T section as well.
Thanks!
I'm looking at this unit it has 2gb ram & almost all other features I want but I've never seen this model before. Brand Name:BONROAD Model Name:C1060707A2 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Qua...2719655631.html?spm=2114.13010308.0.57.OX8QuB
Can anyone tell me anything about this unit & if its compatible with any of the updates/upgrades here if I can install different roms etc
Thank You !
Cid6.7 said:
I'm looking at this unit it has 2gb ram & almost all other features I want but I've never seen this model before. Brand Name:BONROAD Model Name:C1060707A2 Can anyone tell me anything about this unit & if its compatible with any of the updates/upgrades here if I can install different roms etc
Thank You !
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Did you found answers for your question? ) I plan to buy the same and seller send screenshot.
Unknow for me MTCD_*HCT*, Genuine Intel CPU 4x1.2 and fresh build - looks like for now no updates or custom roms but looks interesting )
Nah I bought the 1gb version, not much has been done with the 2gb HU's yet plus it was $120 cheaper
If more developers start releasing roms & find & fix the bugs I'll probably go for the 2gb-32gb next.