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So I was really looking forward to getting a galaxy tab, primarily for web browsing. Then I saw this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZvCXMARtl0
What is the deal with the stuttering jaggy web browsing experience? Can someone that has a tab let me know if a third party browser can make browsing a little less, bleh?
The Galaxy Tab has Flash running in on the webpage.
Look at 0:08 on the video, you can see on the iPad that there are two bars marked "FLASH" disabled. It's suppose to have the banner for "HTC" on it.
Yeah, flash is SERIOUSLY CPU heavy. In fact that's how apple justifies not using it on any of its mobile devices. On closer inspection, there's more than just two 'FLASH' bars on the iPad, I count at least 4.
If you want it to good THAT fast then turn flash off.
On the other hand, do you look at websites by pinging back and forth on them so fast you can't read the text ? Personally, I scroll slowly down, and only move quickly infrequently when I want to 'go to top' or 'go to bottom'. If you actually read websites, the video doesn't really show off a whole lot. Its not comparing like with like, and its not comparing a real life situation, so it doesn't matter.
I have the tab. Some sites with flash will run just fine.
Others will simply cause the browser to be unusable. I have no explanation to this.
I compare a site that is unusable on the tab with my Droid x and on the droidx the site runs just fine with flash enabled.
Maybe. This is a software issue which is unrelated to flash and can be fixed in a future firmware update.
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clubtech said:
I have the tab. Some sites with flash will run just fine.
Others will simply cause the browser to be unusable. I have no explanation to this.
I compare a site that is unusable on the tab with my Droid x and on the droidx the site runs just fine with flash enabled.
Maybe. This is a software issue which is unrelated to flash and can be fixed in a future firmware update.
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Quote possibly. Samsung have been slow to release Froyo for the galaxy, so maybe the flash thing isn't just the Tab, its the architecture. Maybe they can't get the hummingbird GFX to accelerate properly.
I have a Tab since 1 week and yes...the browsing experience is really awful. it's a pain...it's slow in loading pages and VERY jaggy in scrolling.
If I think that it should be one of the best features on the Tab I'm very sad and I really hope that it will be fixed (ad least improved) soon in future releases!
By now I just can't leave my ipad for internet browsing.
It looks like both the SGS and the Tab are suffering from the same issue with the browser.
Samsung will have no choice but to fix this.
Dolphin and Opera
Yes browsing with stock browser is really slow and jaggy. I've installed Opera mini and Dolphin. I use Opera for casual browsing (ie xda) and it's really smooth. When I need flash, or for "difficult sites" or if I have to download with rapidhare etc I use Dolphin (which is almost smooth).
Thank you all for your honest opinions.
patomas said:
Yes browsing with stock browser is really slow and jaggy. I've installed Opera mini and Dolphin. I use Opera for casual browsing (ie xda) and it's really smooth. When I need flash, or for "difficult sites" or if I have to download with rapidhare etc I use Dolphin (which is almost smooth).
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Dolphin uses the same core lib as the stock browser so it should run the same as stock in terms of speed.
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Dolphin uses the same core lib as the stock browser so it should run the same as stock in terms of speed.
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Didnt know. In practice it's really smoother though!
The webkit browser has a really annoying renderer in general. I dont understand why it needs to lower picture quality whenever you move the image around.
Just look at the way opera mini does it - much faster and better looking! Sadly its buggy and lacking in features, which is why im still using webkit.
Dolphin HD is slightly better (if only because it semi-blocks flash content by default), but it has some annoying ui elements like the giant tab bar, which can be removed but at the cost of being able to click on objects along the top edge of the display.
Ive also tried the ARM7 version of the mozilla fennec nighly builds. It just force closed on me, not even a little looksee
For me Dolphin HD is much smoother beside the fact it doesn't show flash banners where stock one does.
Both of them have been a disappointment WRT flash support.
It isn't that great for sites i visit.
If I open a new tap, I need to zoom in and out to get a picture
is this normal?
No, mine loads fine immediatley.
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strange maybe this evening I'll do a HR
by the way I open the tabs not in front but in background. If I open it in front it will load
I'm going to start by saying I absolutely love my transformer... and am definetly going to stay and hope the platform will grow. But I don't think anyone will argue that browsing on it is not the same as a computer or even netbook. My grandma has a 400 dollar netbook and Still it outperformed the transformer. Im running Prime 1.4, overclocked to 1.6 and still it is not enough. Sites don't load correctly, things don't click, and just other stuff just doesn't work as it does on a real PC.
So my question is Do you guys think well ever get a full fledged browsing experience? I no this isn't a computer but it should be able to browse like one I think. And do you guys think these issues are more honeycomb related then hardware?
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Sometimes things don't click because a lot of websites aren't exactly optimized for touches. Same reason we have problems with things that require mouse-hover functions.
Currently it's "good enough" for me, personally.
I've got a question regarding browser performance. Using the stock browser, when I scroll down a web page, there is a very noticeable lag in the newly exposed section filling in. For example, when I scroll down an XDA forum, the bottom of my screen is a blank brown/tan for a moment before anything loads. I tested the same sites on my dual core phone and there were no delays or visible blank spots when scrolling -it looks continous and smooth whereas the Transformer appears to be slowly loading each new section. I'm on my second unit and don't recall it being nearly as bad on the first. My keyboard lag is also ridiculous.
Is this experience common or do I again have a defective Transformer
That's common, try switching to xda classic at the bottom if you can't tolerate it. There its the xda app too.
i thinks its eather asus custome UI, even though its pretty vanilla, its still laggier than stock. that and HC is a bit laggier than phone ver. of Android. Just gotta wait for updates i guess.
Did I hear that hardware accerlation in the browser could b in I've cream sandwich? That will help surely.
Have to say I agree. My partner is getting pissed off with it as we sold our netbook for Thursday tf.
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i feel you with the things dont click, this is a problem with touch screens across all devices, other wise for a tablet the browsing is great. you shouldnt expect it to be up to par with a full operating system such as windows....yet
try opera browser instead
Opera does not support flash, but Flash in general is bad on Honeycomb, so you could argue that no browsers support it...
Opera has stated that it is because of Google not releasing the sources to Honeycomb, but that should change with Icecream Sandwitch (unless Google changes its mind again). It will take a while, early next year at the soonest.
If you can live without flash, Opera is indeed the best browser of the bunch.
I bet any tablet has that screen draw issue in browsers, my iPad does the same thing but instead of blank it's a checkerboard pattern, never really bugged me too much. I'm like Dolphin HD so far, I did really like Opera but it has a problem that makes me not use it. I like to use the trackpad with 2 finger swipe to move the page around which works fine in other browsers, butin Opera it's like a gesture that does some wierd thing so I quit using it.
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I bet any tablet has that screen draw issue in browsers, my iPad does the same thing but instead of blank it's a checkerboard pattern, never really bugged me too much. I'm like Dolphin HD so far, I did really like Opera but it has a problem that makes me not use it. I like to use the trackpad with 2 finger swipe to move the page around which works fine in other browsers, butin Opera it's like a gesture that does some wierd thing so I quit using it.
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I use opera mobile to open forums. smooth scrolling and no laggy page drawing. only use flash supported browser to stream videos.
i was annoyed by the slow browsing experience also using dolphin hd but i found that if you turn off JavaScript it significantly speeds up page loading.
Patience is a virtue...
Web browsing on android has came a very far way in just a few years. Microsoft had decades to optimize windows for browsing the web, android (especially honeycomb) just came into the game.
Web browsing works remarkably well when take into account that android (Once again, especially honeycomb) is still very much a premature OS still trying to iron out and optimize.
Don't get caught up in all the hype revolving around the hardware in android phones and benchmarks, etc. The hardware has never been the problem, once the software gets optimized and focused on web browsing will be just as good or even surpass OSx, ios and windows.
Links that don't react to clicking is probably not a touch screen problem but a bug in browser. In Dolphine when i use long tap and select "open in new window" it still doesn't open them many times. And new Dolphine proibably uses stack browser for viewing pages because it has the same problems as the stock browser.
Has anyone tried SkyFire? I t works quite well on my HD2 and has Flash support
You just have to try opera mobile! It is indeed the best brouwser for the transformer.
Yeah opera moblie seems to be the like the fastest browser among the stock and dolphina, but I don't heard alot of people complaining about the small font size. Am I crazy but the font is way to small on opera. So no one has issues with it? Increasing the font size from 9 to 12 does help but its not perfect.
Opera mobile not playing flash is a deal breaker. Fix it and most will move to opera.
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wouwout said:
Opera mobile not playing flash is a deal breaker. Fix it and most will move to opera.
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It does play flash. You have to enable desktop agent: http://articlecms.in/3691-how-to-run-opera-mobile-in-full-desktop-mode.html
"In the browser address bar type opera:config
Scroll down to User preferences and click on it
Scroll to custom user agent
Type this into the text box Opera/9.80 (Linux; en) Presto/2.7.81 Version/11.00
Click save
Restart the app"
I just find the browser to be slow. Sadly my notion ink adam broswer was much faster which was also running flash and was set fordesktop user agent
Let's face it, no matter how much business you can make with your Nexus 7, a tablet is designed mainly for entertainment. A bigger screen usually means that we get to enjoy certain medias on a bigger screen, aka videos. However not every streaming website can afford or even cares enough to have fancy apps like Youtube and if you stream live channels online for emergency sports on your work computer you would know that flash still plays a part in our daily life.
As Adobe quits on Flash on our future Androids to get everyone into the HTML5 stage, PC users will still have a fairly high amount of data for grabs through Flash but our tablets will be losing that whole side of information while the transition goes through. Although I don't, but I could imagine my girlfriend playing an online Flash game on my 7 but it won't happen anymore.
and... we lose one thing to show-off to the iOS users...
How is everyone else coping with the fading of Flash on our mobile devices?
you can still side load flash and use it with other browsers it works well
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you can still side load flash and use it with other browsers it works well
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+100 to that
+1 using aosp browser and the latest adobe flash. Stole it from my mobile.
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pretty easy to get flash..
First install the AOSP browser:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1780746
After that, I still had some newer flash content saying it needed the latest flash player, so installed the two flash players from this thread:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/go...189897-no-flash-got-you-down-try-fix.html#anb
Works perfectly now!
Yeah I was bummed out when I first read that on Adobes web site. Yeah eventually most sites will hopefully change or add support for our tablets and phones to compensate foir Adobe doing that however being that we have the lovely OS that we do there are very easy workarounds! I installed the AOSP browser @ http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1780746 and flash @ https://www.dropbox.com/s/cgsd3gyy7v6c90j/com.adobe.flashplayer-1.apk This is great too because I prefer the AOSP browser (I love the full screen mode with quick controls). The bookmarks don't sync though.. So I just kept the Chrome Bookmarks widget on my homescreen and set the default browser as Browser. Works like a charm!
I despise flash so I don't miss it on my device, at least not for anything important. Bring on HTML5!
yea everyone despises flash. high CPU usage low performance. but it has been playing such a big part in the past 10 years or so that it might just be TOO sudden a change when not everyone has gone to HTML5 and officially taken out flash as a whole. This might hurt Android as it is a crucial time Post-Jobs for android to have a major counter attack on iOS and an obvious visible advantage has been taken out.
I sideloaded flash & firefox for iplayer but other than that I haven't missed, the sooner flash dies the better.
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I have had absolutely no problem with not having Flash.
When you referred to other streaming sites, are you talking about porn sites? lol
I sideloaded flash and the AOSP browser so I could use iPlayer, but that's pretty much it. Also added the iPlayer app once I found the APK.
woshiweili said:
I have had absolutely no problem with not having Flash.
When you referred to other streaming sites, are you talking about porn sites? lol
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Hahaha maybe but no actually I care more about streaming sports haha
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you can still side load flash and use it with other browsers it works well
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It works for now but as time goes on and android has more updates how long will it continue to work? At some point it may break completely.
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I sideloaded flash and the AOSP browser so I could use iPlayer, but that's pretty much it. Also added the iPlayer app once I found the APK.
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The bbc have already said they are testing a version for 4.1 https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCiPlayer/status/218712600161157120
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16gb N7 UK ordered 3rd July.
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jmrog said:
pretty easy to get flash..
First install the AOSP browser:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1780746
After that, I still had some newer flash content saying it needed the latest flash player, so installed the two flash players from this thread:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/go...189897-no-flash-got-you-down-try-fix.html#anb
Works perfectly now!
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Was about to link this. Just install the apk and flash content will play on the stock aosp browser .
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And before people come in and say it, I know it's not supposed to be supported but the fact, whether people like it or not is that Flash is still used very widely. For example a newspaper site I read, one of the most popular sites in the world, frequently includes video clips of news items, all in flash. I've installed the flash 11.1 apk, but while it is working, the video quality appears to be slugged to be extremely poor definition. Adobe really needs to rethink this.
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And before people come in and say it, I know it's not supposed to be supported but the fact, whether people like it or not is that Flash is still used very widely. For example a newspaper site I read, one of the most popular sites in the world, frequently includes video clips of news items, all in flash. I've installed the flash 11.1 apk, but while it is working, the video quality appears to be slugged to be extremely poor definition. Adobe really needs to rethink this.
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Or whichever website still uses it need to rethink and get with the times....
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"Or whichever website still uses it need to rethink and get with the times...."
The world doesn't work that way!
But no problem, I also didn't like the lack of led support on the OTA jellybean, so I've gone back to the nice overclocked ICS 4.0.4 I had before.
Jellybean didn't seem to be very different other than slightly smoother scrolling, it's a bit of a non-event!
And what about in another few months from now when the Flash app stops working or degrades on ICS? Remember that Adobe is stopping support regardless of what version you are on.
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Eventually with lack of flash support, not just on Android - websites will evolve or decay.
It wouldn't surprise me if Apple paid a big sum under the table for Adobe to slow down flash support as it was the one big advantage before
Also as Apple is a big driving force websites will want to cater for iOS users I bet and drive them towards HTML5 etc. Instead of flash...
Fingers crossed in a few years this won't even be an issue..
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Plus FWIW when I set Opera Mobile's UAString to "Android", quite a few sites (more than I was expecting) figure out they can't use Flash and will either play (what I'm assuming is) HTML5 video inline, or will go to an external Video player.
I'm hoping someone can help me with this dilemma:
JB, and most of the mobile world, it seems, no longer support Flash and are moving toward HTML5. Yet, ESPN continues to treat Android tablets as Flash-capable and don't play videos on my TF300T.... unless I switch the user agent on the stock browser to ipad (gasp!),at which point HTML5 videos are displayed and play fine (though browser FC occur after full screen viewing).
However, and I don't know enough about building ROMs to fully comprehend, the stock browser on stock-based ROMs don't include the option for selecting a different user agent, whereas CM10 and Baked 6 do.
I've read great posts about the performance of some ROMs, but I've always switched back once I find that I can't play videos on ESPN's web site. Can someone fill me in on how I could get *all* sites that support HTML5 to provide that by default?
Thanks in advance.
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bsaman said:
I'm hoping someone can help me with this dilemma:
JB, and most of the mobile world, it seems, no longer support Flash and are moving toward HTML5. Yet, ESPN continues to treat Android tablets as Flash-capable and don't play videos on my TF300T.... unless I switch the user agent on the stock browser to ipad (gasp!),at which point HTML5 videos are displayed and play fine (though browser FC occur after full screen viewing).
However, and I don't know enough about building ROMs to fully comprehend, the stock browser on stock-based ROMs don't include the option for selecting a different user agent, whereas CM10 and Baked 6 do.
I've read great posts about the performance of some ROMs, but I've always switched back once I find that I can't play videos on ESPN's web site. Can someone fill me in on how I could get *all* sites that support HTML5 to provide that by default?
Thanks in advance.
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I am on cromi 3.0.4 and I just checked ESPN. Simply long press the video you want to watch then choose open in new browser this will pop up a window asking if you wish to play it in MX player, video player etc. I use MX player and it plays great. U have to download MX player from Google play by the way
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I am on cromi 3.0.4 and I just checked ESPN. Simply long press the video you want to watch then choose open in new browser this will pop up a window asking if you wish to play it in MX player
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I'm not sure I understand. What is cromi 3.0.4?
I have MX Player installed, but when I visit espn.com (the desktop site) I see " You need to have the Adobe Flash Player to view this content. Please click here to continue." Long pressing the space where the video should be doesn't return anything. This happens in the stock browser and Chrome.
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I'm not sure I understand. What is cromi 3.0.4?
I have MX Player installed, but when I visit espn.com (the desktop site) I see " You need to have the Adobe Flash Player to view this content. Please click here to continue." Long pressing the space where the video should be doesn't return anything. This happens in the stock browser and Chrome.
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cromi 3.0.4 is clean rom inheritance. its a custom rom based on stock asus rom. works well for me and the fellow that made it seems to be supporting as well as anyone could. anyway it has flash player built in although you can actually just install the apk on any rom if you go to old versions of adobe flash player then scroll down to find the latest for ice cream sandwich (4.0) and download it. but it never worked as well in any other rom as it does in this one, at least for me.
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anyway it has flash player built in although you can actually just install the apk on any rom
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Oh, I see. My issue is that I feel that I shouldn't have to pollute my tablet with outdated, unsupported software to get basic functionality that is otherwise accessible by mimicking an ipad via the browser's user agent. I mean, the functionality is right there in the browser and works much better than flash.
I should also be able to use any third party browser, including those that don't offer flash support (i.e Firefox) without websites thinking "oh, an android device; load up the outdated video player." That's probably a point to make to ESPN, I suspect.
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bsaman said:
Oh, I see. My issue is that I feel that I shouldn't have to pollute my tablet with outdated, unsupported software to get basic functionality that is otherwise accessible by mimicking an ipad via the browser's user agent. I mean,the functionality is right there inthe browser and works much better than flash.
I should also be able to use any third party browluding those that don't offer flash support (i.e Firefox) without websites thinking "oh, an android device; load up the outdated video player." That's probably a point to make to ESPN, I suspect.
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I would say your right. Its my wish that web site makers would get to working on this issue. I like to read marvel comics unlimited and they use flash as well nor have they at this time made an app to read on android so if you don't enable flash then your out of luck on a mobile device. I will most likely buy the surface pro upon its debut so that my web surfing is not limited on moblile. I already own a few dell xt3 tablet PC's and they work well but are large so i have hope for the surface with core i5
You can install flash on jb with the apk
There are some threads and Adobe s website
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