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G2 Semi-Perma Root

So the guys over at MoDaCo (specifically the Admin, Paul O'Brien) came up with a handy little app that will temp root the g2 every time you boot up. You can get it in two versions: Manual and Load on Boot.
I was going to post a URL here but it's not letting me because I'm a new user. I'll seperate it up so it's not URL format and you can just backspace through it.
http: //android.modaco. com/content/t-mobile-g2-g2-modaco-com/320350/14-oct-r2-visionary-one-click-temproot-for-g2/
It's not permanent root, but it's damn close. It should at least appease the masses that want wifi tether and simple stuff like that.

check the development section bro

Right, the guy over at modaco has a post in the G2 dev section here with his stuff. It worked great for me, but there are some folks that it's not working for.

Tried this and it works great. Make sure you have USB debugging turned on or it will loop forever and need a forceclose. This is good enough for me, for now.
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Halotron said:
Tried this and it works great. Make sure you have USB debugging turned on or it will loop forever and need a forceclose. This is good enough for me, for now.
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Agree, it's good to see the su screen again.
One thing that I'd like to note that FOR ME the phone seems to stumble a bit upon startup due to the app launching which sometimes causes root only apps not to function correctly. A simple re-launch of VISIONary rectifies this.

Yessir, I'm rooted via Visionary right now as well. Wow superuser had some cool new UI changes over the year and a half while I was with a iPhone. Damn it feels good to be back on Android
Can't wait for the perm root to actually use adblock, overclock, and remove photobucket.

mcp2009 said:
check the development section bro
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Sorry about that. I searched the forum before I posted but I only searched the G2 General forum. I thought it was a little odd that it hadn't shown up yet. Nevertheless this is a great app. Barnacle WiFi is working perfectly and that's about all I needed for right now.
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xdviper said:
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Can't wait for the perm root to actually use adblock, overclock, and remove photobucket.
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^ This.
and Amazon Mp3 and twitter.

SmartHat said:
^ This.
and Amazon Mp3 and twitter.
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don't forget some good Cyanogen and Enomther mods

For a first time android user/rooter, is this easy to install? Does it walk you right through it?

xdviper said:
Yessir, I'm rooted via Visionary right now as well. Wow superuser had some cool new UI changes over the year and a half while I was with a iPhone. Damn it feels good to be back on Android
Can't wait for the perm root to actually use adblock, overclock, and remove photobucket.
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you can disable the stock apps. its not uninstalling but they become hidden and inactive. theres a thread on it.
in terminal, its
su
pm disable *package name - usually com.*nameofservicehere*.apk

AreOh said:
For a first time android user/rooter, is this easy to install? Does it walk you right through it?
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Yup, it's easy as pie. Just look up VISIONary in the Android market, download, install, run, and you are good to go!

[Q] Market asked for Superuser permission??

I was going though my apps checking the automatic update when I got a pop up for Super user. Since it was a fresh install I just clicked accept not really thinking. Then my market forced closed on me, I tried to reopen it and it forced closed again. So I went into Superuser and saw market had been what requested the superuser permission... I changed it to deny and now my market works again but I am really confused about this... I have NEVER heard of market asking for SU...
I am using eVil D's Sense 3.0 located HERE I had this installed before and I never had this issue. I also have it installed on 4 of my co-workers MyTouch's and I am their resident flasher and go to guy so I really wanna know whats up so that they don't end up with the same issue.
Thanks guys!

Also I do not have any malware that I am aware of no black market apps I buy all my stuff. I have Super Security installed to scan all apps and nothing comes up as bad. Than and I haven't downloaded any different apps in this ROM that I didn't already have back when I was on CM7 and didn't get an issue like this with that.

dcwiker05 said:
Also I do not have any malware that I am aware of no black market apps I buy all my stuff. I have Super Security installed to scan all apps and nothing comes up as bad. Than and I haven't downloaded any different apps in this ROM that I didn't already have back when I was on CM7 and didn't get an issue like this with that.
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The only thing i can think of is eViL dee said that the Netflix application will show up in the market. So unless there is some trickery going on with that i cannot think of anything.
Why not ask the same question in the Sense 3.0 thread. Since those people are using it and the developer is frequent there.

neidlinger said:
The only thing i can think of is eViL dee said that the Netflix application will show up in the market. So unless there is some trickery going on with that i cannot think of anything.
Why not ask the same question in the Sense 3.0 thread. Since those people are using it and the developer is frequent there.
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posted it there too now thanks for the idea

Google blocking rooted phones to access movie app.

Hope this hasn't been posted before but apparently google is blocking rooted phones from accessing the new movies app.
www.androidcentral.com/google-movies-blocked-rooted-devices?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter

probably wouldn't have used this service anyway
but what a BS move by Google

I hope that this isn't starting point for blocking another services on rooted phones (like whole market)..

Seems like some bad logic... They don't want you renting a movie if your phone is rooted, since you might pirate it. However, you would think if one is technical enough to root their phone (or even know that it is an option), they probably know enough to pirate a movie without paying for it in the first place...

Something tells me this isn't Google's idea. I think they've had their arms twisted.

Wonder how an internet connection can tell phone is rooted .
jje

Ayrlupine said:
Something tells me this isn't Google's idea. I think they've had their arms twisted.
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What he said. Movie studios and record companies are a money grabbing greedy lot who will do anything to continue filling their pockets.

I highly doubt this is Google. It goes against their ENTIRE WAY of thinking/operating.
Google don't encourage rooting, but they certainly don't condemn it - because that's one of the joys of open source development.
Google "making" this decision is like Apple, forgetting to patent one of it's products/possible products...and we all know that will never happen!
As (below/above/previous post said) it has to be legalities with the studio companies.

I don't think it's possible to detect you're rooted. If you have root, you have full control over your OS, so you can make some app think it's installed on non-rooted device. No problem, really.

Brut.all said:
I don't think it's possible to detect you're rooted. If you have root, you have full control over your OS, so you can make some app think it's installed on non-rooted device. No problem, really.
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It's pretty easy to detect root actually
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LancerV said:
It's pretty easy to detect root actually
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mehh, someone will find a loop-hole!

LancerV said:
It's pretty easy to detect root actually
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It's easy to detect root if OS will let you detect it ;-) E.g. you could look for "su" command or Superuser.apk, but it should be possible to hide them for specific app. Also it should be possible to crack an app, so it won't look for root at all.

Brut.all said:
It's easy to detect root if OS will let you detect it ;-) E.g. you could look for "su" command or Superuser.apk, but it should be possible to hide them for specific app. Also it should be possible to crack an app, so it won't look for root at all.
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Yeah. I'm also sure you could move su to another name, and refactor Superuser.apk to use another app name. Then you could create a symlink for su to the new binary, and use a service or daemon to remove it when a particular event occurs.
Or, they could simply be checking ro.secure, which is set in the initramfs...

[Q] Permissions Management on HTC Glacier ROMs

Can't post in Development forum (yet), so apologies if this isn't quite the right place
First, props to Synthetic.Nightmare for getting video to work on ICS!! As the post I was going to quote said,
This ROM is just about perfect, if it made me coffee in the morning then it would be. IMHO I think it would lead to instability.
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:good:
So, I switched from CM7, where I'd gotten in the habit of denying apps more more permissions than I thought they deserved (and uninstalling those that stopped working as a result).
My question is three-part:
Has any glacier user had good success with a permissions management app like Permissions Denied?
Are there any plans to add Permissions Management to, say, SyNthetic_aospX ?
Finally, are there other Gingerbread (2.3) ROMs have this functionality besides CM7?
Thanks! (and have mercy on a n00b)

1st of all, this is a good place to post questions like this. Second, i am not quite sure why you need to deny apps of permissions, do you think its absolutely necissary? I say this because a lot of apps need the permissions they ask for to function to their full extent and often times, denying the app permissions doesn't really fix/help anything.

THEindian said:
Second, i am not quite sure why you need to deny apps of permissions, do you think its absolutely necissary? I say this because a lot of apps need the permissions they ask for to function to their full extent and often times, denying the app permissions doesn't really fix/help anything.
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Perhaps it's privacy paranoia, but I don't like to give apps access to my address book unless I want them to have access to it. For example, the Barcode Scanner app from the ZXing team. With CM7, I just blocked those permissions (as I said, with some apps that breaks them but not with others). I suppose I could just look for a barcode app with fewer permissions, but ... this next most popular wants more permissions. And the next...

ascar1s said:
Perhaps it's privacy paranoia, but I don't like to give apps access to my address book unless I want them to have access to it. For example, the Barcode Scanner app from the ZXing team. With CM7, I just blocked those permissions (as I said, with some apps that breaks them but not with others). I suppose I could just look for a barcode app with fewer permissions, but ... this next most popular wants more permissions. And the next...
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Honestly, as long as you don't have your social security number in you address book, you'll be fine. I woudn't worry too much about it, your info is out on the internet anyway lol

THEindian said:
Honestly, as long as you don't have your social security number in you address book, you'll be fine. I woudn't worry too much about it, your info is out on the internet anyway lol
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Be that as it may, it's actually my contacts' contact info that I'd like to protect. I can be as cavalier as I'd like, but it's not exactly fair to treat their info the same way—they've entrusted me with their info...

This looks useful.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apprivacy
I figure if he wants to be paraniod, that's his business.
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estallings15 said:
This looks useful.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apprivacy
I figure if he wants to be paraniod, that's his business.
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To each his own.

estallings15 said:
This looks useful.
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( Apparently, I have to wait to even quote that URL... )
I will check it out, as well as LBE and, especially, PDroid (found them suggested in another thread discussing Permissions Denied.
I figure if he wants to be paraniod, that's his business.
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( Apparently, I have to wait to even quote that URL... )
I will check it out, as well as LBE and, especially, PDroid
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PDroid does not support ICS.
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ascar1s said:
( Apparently, I have to wait to even quote that URL... )
I will check it out, as well as LBE and, especially, PDroid (found them suggested in another thread discussing Permissions Denied.
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And, LBE suffers from the same over-permissions problem (and is possibly malware, according to another forum): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21094159&postcount=485
Perhaps a firewall app would do the trick... Need to read up on those...

[Q] Are you using ClockworkMod Superuser or sticking with SuperSU?

I asked this question in the general forum, but what are my fellow Nexus 4 owners using?

I've been using supersu since its creation. I own the pro version too. (I spend too much on apps )

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I've been using supersu since its creation. I own the pro version too. (I spend too much on apps )
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I jumped on the SuperSU wagon too and also have the pro version, simply because the consensus was that it is better than Superuser, but now there seems to be a lot of hype around ClockworkMod Superuser.

This is why you should use Superuser by Koush.
https://github.com/koush/Superuser
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trentreed said:
This is why you should use Superuser by Koush.
https://github.com/koush/Superuser
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This goes back to what I said about transparency. It's great that you can see everything about the app and that it isn't doing anything dodgy in the background, but does this leave it open to exploits?
Would someone out there be able to use their knowledge of the code to their advantage?

When a little more mature I'll give it a go (or once CM include it)

SuperSU always worked great for me and never had any issues and off course i also bought the Pro app. I think Chainfire is a genius and the app is constantly beeing updated and improved. And just because another app is is fully open it doesn`t mean it is automaticaly better.

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This goes back to what I said about transparency. It's great that you can see everything about the app and that it isn't doing anything dodgy in the background, but does this leave it open to exploits?
Would someone out there be able to use their knowledge of the code to their advantage?
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You're right on both points, and both of those are actually the advantages of open source. Because it is there for everyone to see, anyone can take a look and point out the bugs, security holes, etc... which, theoritically, will leads to less exploits for bad guys to use.
Think about it as newspaper or peer-review journal. When what you do is there in plain text for everyone to see and criticize, the end products tends to have much higher quality and less errors.
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KyraOfFire said:
You're right on both points, and both of those are actually the advantages of open source. Because it is there for everyone to see, anyone can take a look and point out the bugs, security holes, etc... which, theoritically, will leads to less exploits for bad guys to use.
Think about it as newspaper or peer-review journal. When what you do is there in plain text for everyone to see and criticize, the end products tends to have much higher quality and less errors.
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Based on what you've said, it may be better to wait until it's been around for a while, similar to what 'EddyOS' said above. This way any exploits can be patched?

Just Me said:
Based on what you've said, it may be better to wait until it's been around for a while, similar to what 'EddyOS' said above. This way any exploits can be patched?
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The other superusers can and do have just as many exploits but you'd never know as they are not open so you'd never know if they got patched or not. That's pretty much the point of making it open sourced. I like Koush's work so I'm giving it a try and haven't run into any problems with it yet but only have been running it since yesterday.

If CM implements it

SuperSu is fine with me. I personally don't care about it being open source or not. Chain fire is a great developer.
Why change what works for the past four years of android.
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I'm on Koush's SU. Open source is nice (although SuperSU not being open source wasn't something that concerned me). And I now have an entry in my settings menu for Superuser which is a great spot for it to live.

Also using Koush's SU, because i use PA ROM and it's implemented there.
Hope Koush brings more features in his SU with the time.

zephiK said:
Why change what works for the past four years of android.
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ChainsDD's Superuser hasn't worked that well since Gingerbread, and that left CF's SuperSU as the only functional SU. With Koush's SU CM can include a fully functional, open source solution in their build now. As much as I like SuperSU it shouldn't be the only option.

Supersu pro here haven't used super user since it didn't work on jb when I got the phone but have pro purchased for both
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Just installed Koush's Superuser seems good so far.
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Added a poll to this thread, as the other thread didn't spark the debate that I would have hoped.
What I'm generally getting is that in the future, ClockworkMod Superuser will possibly be better than SuperSU, but for now there is no real benefit/advantage to switching.
The only good thing right now as 'CMNein' said, is that there's a 2nd option.

It would appear the next CM nightly will now be using the new Superuser package...
http://10.1.cmxlog.com/?device=mako

i switched over to superuser completely for paranoidandroid.
i think koush is an amazing developer and he's got an eye for design as well. i just love seeing his apps adapt. the way he's written superuser is genius, especially the settings integration.
i like that its open source and thats pretty much a necessity for such an important app.
well, and superuser behaves like a cog, it does what it should.
superSu has become self-conscious in that aspect. i know the developer must eat too, and i bought superSu of course, but its toasts made a joke out of any rom using it. my experience is that xda is usually very supportive - you dont need to force people, they will help out on their own because they are nice.
chainfire was very thoughtful and friendly of course, and immediately considered circumventing the nag-toast for roms. but just asking for it in his thread got me some good kicks in the stomach by his followers - that was pretty much the point where i started thinking i wanna be less dependent on it. if i dont like something in koushs implementation i fork and rewrite it - thats the way i prefer it.