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[Q] Is the loss of Adobe Flash a deal breaker?

For me being able to use Flash is the reason I started using Android! I despised the idea of not being able to see exactly what I could from my PC! Now Adobe is getting rid of Flash all together!!! I was about to place my order for the Nexus 7 when I read about this! I don't know what to think, not sure if I still want to order it or not! Is this a deal breaker for anyone else???

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jznbrwn said:
For me being able to use Flash is the reason I started using Android! I despised the idea of not being able to see exactly what I could from my PC! Now Adobe is getting rid of Flash all together!!! I was about to place my order for the Nexus 7 when I read about this! I don't know what to think, not sure if I still want to order it or not! Is this a deal breaker for anyone else???
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In case you haven't heard here is the story!
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/new...bean-new-installs-to-stop-on-august-15-237506

jznbrwn said:
For me being able to use Flash is the reason I started using Android! I despised the idea of not being able to see exactly what I could from my PC! Now Adobe is getting rid of Flash all together!!! I was about to place my order for the Nexus 7 when I read about this! I don't know what to think, not sure if I still want to order it or not! Is this a deal breaker for anyone else???
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You'll still be able to use Flash. Just download it now. They will still provide updates/patches, but they won't allow fresh installs after mid August. So if you have it now, keep it. If not, I'm sure an apk will always be available for you.

Flash works perfectly on Android 4.1 on the Galaxy Nexus.
Though it is being taken down, simply backup the APK and you can install it later. It works with the recently updated firefox.
proof: https://plus.google.com/u/0/113128174610918949268/posts/5kE9YdBDrDM

Excellent problem + solution .. dang .. that was almost a deal breaker..

The concern now is the next version of Android, will 5.0 break flash support?

Flash simply is not needed anymore. Most sites are not using it anymore and those that do wil be dropping it soon now Adobe is not going to support it anymore.
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Brad387 said:
Flash simply is not needed anymore. Most sites are not using it anymore and those that do wil be dropping it soon now Adobe is not going to support it anymore.
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I'm tired of that argument. "Most" sites don't? There are certainly some that do and their migration to HTML5 is not so buttery smooth. Flash is a resource, it completes the experience. It's a valid reason why a lot of people haven't migrated to Windows Phone or ignore the iPhone. The industry, thanks to Apple, is pushing "Apps" when a Flash equipped browser can do what some apps try to do but can't. Honestly, do you see banking sites and web apps being migrated to dumb downed app versions on a PC? No. There might be some productivity software like Mint but overall, the web with flash is very important. Until there no longer exists web based flash content, then we can say there is no need for flash. Until then, it's perfectly reasonable to want flash.

antwan* said:
The concern now is the next version of Android, will 5.0 break flash support?
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Any major change to Android will break flash, unless its a 3rd party version which could be updated.

fixyourtech said:
Any major change to Android will break flash, unless its a 3rd party version which could be updated.
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So it can be tinkered with to make it runnable?

Call to Arms! - Root detection

There is a big problem on the horizon.....
Lovefilm and Sky Go on my iPad have stopped working due to my jailbreak...
Turns out Sky Go doesnt work on Rooted Android either!
As much as i hate Sky as a company we dont have much choice in the UK if you want some decent channels on TV. I dont even use their app that much but this trend seems to be catching on...
More and more apps are refusing to run on Jailbroken iOS and the same will be happening on Android soon enough. They are also actively patching any work arounds or hacks to stop people running apps on Rooted or JB devices.
i really hope some of the talented people who code for android can find a good solution to this problem or even better Google comes out and tells the world that Rooters should not lose out like this.
If we can make it so much work for them to keep fixing the holes then maybe they will get fed up with trying to patch them.
Because if we dont then more and more apps will follow!

irzero said:
There is a big problem on the horizon.....
Lovefilm and Sky Go on my iPad have stopped working due to my jailbreak...
Turns out Sky Go doesnt work on Rooted Android either!
As much as i hate Sky as a company we dont have much choice in the UK if you want some decent channels on TV. I dont even use their app that much but this trend seems to be catching on...
More and more apps are refusing to run on Jailbroken iOS and the same will be happening on Android soon enough. They are also actively patching any work arounds or hacks to stop people running apps on Rooted or JB devices.
i really hope some of the talented people who code for android can find a good solution to this problem or even better Google comes out and tells the world that Rooters should not lose out like this.
If we can make it so much work for them to keep fixing the holes then maybe they will get fed up with trying to patch them.
Because if we dont then more and more apps will follow!
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I know that feel bro
*insert hug meme*

irzero said:
There is a big problem on the horizon.....
Lovefilm and Sky Go on my iPad have stopped working due to my jailbreak...
Turns out Sky Go doesnt work on Rooted Android either!
As much as i hate Sky as a company we dont have much choice in the UK if you want some decent channels on TV. I dont even use their app that much but this trend seems to be catching on...
More and more apps are refusing to run on Jailbroken iOS and the same will be happening on Android soon enough. They are also actively patching any work arounds or hacks to stop people running apps on Rooted or JB devices.
i really hope some of the talented people who code for android can find a good solution to this problem or even better Google comes out and tells the world that Rooters should not lose out like this.
If we can make it so much work for them to keep fixing the holes then maybe they will get fed up with trying to patch them.
Because if we dont then more and more apps will follow!
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There are some apps out there that will temp unroot your phone so apps like that will work. then you just restore it(OTA rootkeeper allows this). Also I think Siyah kernel supports temp unrooting

graffixnyc said:
There are some apps out there that will temp unroot your phone so apps like that will work. then you just restore it(OTA rootkeeper allows this). Also I think Siyah kernel supports temp unrooting
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Siyah kernel does support temp unrooting, but somehow Sky Go still knows your phone is rooted, and it won't work. So far from the reading I have done there is no solution to this other than to flash back to a stock unrooted firmware.

I don't think it will become the rule on android, because there are to many apps that even need root, but at ios, probably because jailbreak is the only possibility to get, at least partially, out of their ecosystem.
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someone found a work around for the Barclays banking app I think...I'm sure it was here in general so you may find some hints there
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here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1823649
[HOW TO] Barclays Mobile Banking working on rooted S3

As far as I know. Sky Go has gotten around everything so far.
I see not to far in the future a situation where you have to either root and lose lots of apps you use or lose the root lose lots of apps you use.
That's a crap situation for sure
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Sky have invested a heck of a lot of time and money to making the latest Sky Go apps very very hard to hack!
They now do a lot of checking on their severs which makes it impossible for us to hack around.
I am sorry but I don't think we will ever get sky go working properly with root, and as soon as we did sky would update the app to fix the loophole.

Google won't do anything because rooted android isn't standard android. The android platform isn't built like windows or OS X, where the default is the user having root available.
Therefore security (DRM in particular) on those platforms is built with that in mind. Android isn't.
Also, while you might have the best of intentions there are plenty of root-users who would use it to copy content offline, trick it into thinking you have a subscription whe you don't etc.
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Lennyuk said:
Sky have invested a heck of a lot of time and money to making the latest Sky Go apps very very hard to hack!
They now do a lot of checking on their severs which makes it impossible for us to hack around.
I am sorry but I don't think we will ever get sky go working properly with root, and as soon as we did sky would update the app to fix the loophole.
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This sux for sure.
On iPad they sandboxed the app in its own virtual environment. could this trick it into think its running on unrooted firmware?

I can't see how there is no way around this. If the app tests root, deny it, if it scans for root binaries, change/rename them. What am I missing here? Is there some other level of detection somewhere?
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esist said:
Google won't do anything because rooted android isn't standard android. The android platform isn't built like windows or OS X, where the default is the user having root available.
Therefore security (DRM in particular) on those platforms is built with that in mind. Android isn't.
Also, while you might have the best of intentions there are plenty of root-users who would use it to copy content offline, trick it into thinking you have a subscription whe you don't etc.
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You cant get the content without a subscription anyway, the problem has been people UDID spoofing and getting more active devices than they are allowed. Its a joke that they limit this anyway they should just make it so you can only be logged in on 2 devices at any one time using traditional methods like IP address and IMEI

alias_neo said:
I can't see how there is no way around this. If the app tests root, deny it, if it scans for root binaries, change/rename them. What am I missing here? Is there some other level of detection somewhere?
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temporary unroot doesnt even work so i dont know how it works personally. Out of my depth on this

alias_neo said:
I can't see how there is no way around this. If the app tests root, deny it, if it scans for root binaries, change/rename them. What am I missing here? Is there some other level of detection somewhere?
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The Sky Go app is a bastard
This is a list of some of the things it checks (but not all)
- Root binaries
- Root App
- Phone model
- Android version
- Custom Recovery
- Custom Kernels
- IMEI checks (stops wifi-only tablets..)
The first 4 are simple to overcome, the last three cause major issues!

Lennyuk said:
The Sky Go app is a bastard
This is a list of some of the things it checks (but not all)
- Root binaries
- Root App
- Phone model
- Android version
- Custom Recovery
- Custom Kernels
- IMEI checks (stops wifi-only tablets..)
The first 4 are simple to overcome, the last three cause major issues!
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Why would that stop wifi tablets? it works on my iPad wifi only?

irzero said:
Why would that stop wifi tablets? it works on my iPad wifi only?
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the Apple skygo app works differently, it doesn't check for IMEI.
wifi-only android tablets do not have IMEI numbers so it will always fail this check

Lennyuk said:
The Sky Go app is a bastard
This is a list of some of the things it checks (but not all)
- Root binaries
- Root App
- Phone model
- Android version
- Custom Recovery
- Custom Kernels
- IMEI checks (stops wifi-only tablets..)
The first 4 are simple to overcome, the last three cause major issues!
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How in earth does this user space application have the ability to check custom recovery? I suppose kernel might be easy, but recovery??
Still, there must be ways around it.
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alias_neo said:
How in earth does this user space application have the ability to check custom recovery? I suppose kernel might be easy, but recovery??
Still, there must be ways around it.
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Thats the thing, we (me and two others who worked on hacking this app) couldn't work it out! But it definitely was detecting it, we tried it on Samsung and HTC devices with no root and stock kernel but with a custom recovery and sky go stopped worked, change back to stock recovery and the app works again but we could not find any code that checked it.
On most devices to get it to work you need a stock based rom, stock recovery (unless recovery is part of kernel like S2) stock based kernel (ro.secure=1 must be set!) no or hidden root. You then need to make sure you fit the device or version checks, if you don't you need a hacked app that allows you to do this.
However the latest sky go apps do a sever side check for the apps signature (so you cannot decompile and recompile without changing this). So basically we can no longer do even the most basic of hacks.

Lennyuk said:
Thats the thing, we (me and two others who worked on hacking this app) couldn't work it out! But it definitely was detecting it, we tried it on Samsung and HTC devices with no root and stock kernel but with a custom recovery and sky go stopped worked, change back to stock recovery and the app works again but we could not find any code that checked it.
On most devices to get it to work you need a stock based rom, stock recovery (unless recovery is part of kernel like S2) stock based kernel (ro.secure=1 must be set!) no or hidden root. You then need to make sure you fit the device or version checks, if you don't you need a hacked app that allows you to do this.
However the latest sky go apps do a sever side check for the apps signature (so you cannot decompile and recompile without changing this). So basically we can no longer do even the most basic of hacks.
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Surely you can modify it to spoof the signature the app uses to send to the server...
They really have gone all out eh.
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Well done sky, you bastards!
I have a Nexus 7 2012 WiFi only so ytheres no chance of using it on there :'(
Thanks LennyUK

No flash player?

I wanted to get the Nexus 7, my last Android device being my phone the Xperia Arc S. The ability to watch flash on android just did it for me to be honest, because I stream a lot of websites.
However now that Jelly Bean is out, it doesn't support flash anymore. I've heard the arguments "It doesn't matter, HTML5 is rolling out"- Yes, it's ROLLING out, many websites still use Flash and I would like to be able to use that. Is there no way at all to be able to install flash on a fresh Nexus 7 device at the moment?

Yes, just find the apk and sideload it.
Haven't tested it with 4.2,but there are still a couple browsers in Google Play that still support flash (as the stock Chrome browser does not).
Do understand that EVENTUALLY Android will update to a version that breaks compatibility with the Flash app. And when that happens nobody will be there to fix it, Google and Adobe have moved on.

Nospin said:
Yes, just find the apk and sideload it.
Haven't tested it with 4.2,but there are still a couple browsers in Google Play that still support flash (as the stock Chrome browser does not).
Do understand that EVENTUALLY Android will update to a version that breaks compatibility with the Flash app. And when that happens nobody will be there to fix it, Google and Adobe have moved on.
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I've read from loads of places that "theoretically" it should work, however I'm not too sure as I tried it out in a store and I couldn't get it to work. I loaded up Dolphin browser after installing the APK file and it didn't work
For some it may seem like a minor issue, however no flash is a deal breaker for me. It's one of the main reasons I left iOS and hopped aboard the Android train, as it allowed a no-restriction user experience

itsmyname said:
I've read from loads of places that "theoretically" it should work, however I'm not too sure as I tried it out in a store and I couldn't get it to work. I loaded up Dolphin browser after installing the APK file and it didn't work
For some it may seem like a minor issue, however no flash is a deal breaker for me. It's one of the main reasons I left iOS and hopped aboard the Android train, as it allowed a no-restriction user experience
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New versions of dolphin do not support flash. You need to find one of the older versions to make it work.

Try naked browser runs flash fine on my n7 with 4.2

I haven't tried it but I've heard Boat browser works

I have flash working in stock aosp browser on 4.2 stock-rooted ROM. just placed stock browser in /system/app/ after renaming BrowserProviderProxy.apk and BrowserProviderProxy.odex, I just added a 1 at the beginning of the filename. Rebooted and voilà, I had flash.
See this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1990292

firefox works with it if I recall correctly

Sideload flash and install Firefox. Simple. No root or other crap required.
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or use the new boat browser my new favorite....

( Puffin ) is the only browser that support flash..

pughie said:
Try naked browser runs flash fine on my n7 with 4.2
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Does this enable you to stream in flash i.e. BBC Iplayer ?

boat browser supports flash

HynixR said:
boat browser supports flash
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On 4.2 ?
Sorry to sound like a dumbass and not just trying it but my missus is in the UK with the new nexus 7 and i'm NOT !!

DrEzkimo said:
firefox works with it if I recall correctly
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You are correct. It works on Firefox.
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Mine is working on 4.2. I have a 32GB Wi-Fi. Used the info from this forum (I take no credit for this).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1774336
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[Q] Does anyone have DirecTV?

The reason I'm asking is because this (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.directv.dvrscheduler) is one of the main apps I use on my nexus 10 and ever since I did the upgrade to 4.2.2 it exhibits stutter during live TV playback. I can't be certain this is related to 4.2.2 and thus my question, is anyone using this app with 4.2.2 and successfully playing back live TV stutter free? Like I said, it was stable for me up until just a couple weeks ago.

In the event there aren't too many others using this app does anyone know how to reach those who are responsible for developing and sending out stock os updates? It might not mean anything to them but I've thought of providing feedback around what I'm seeing and I guess it I'd worth a try. Who knows, maybe they could release a fix in the next update.

I have the app. Don't use it for watching shows because it's horrible. Basically use the dvr function to record shows. You could probably go to the website and complain. I think that i looked into it once before.
Have you seen their Ipad app? It is absolutely beautiful and works flawlessly. The guide looks just like the web version and it also has a built in remote so you can control all of your receivers. It is the one app that I want updated on android!
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Droid_Junky said:
I have the app. Don't use it for watching shows because it's horrible. Basically use the dvr function to record shows. You could probably go to the website and complain. I think that i looked into it once before.
Have you seen their Ipad app? It is absolutely beautiful and works flawlessly. The guide looks just like the web version and it also has a built in remote so you can control all of your receivers. It is the one app that I want updated on android!
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Yes, I've seen it on the iPad. The GUI is much better, as you mentioned, but typically the live playback was the same in my experience. They both looked acceptable on the iPad and my Nexus 10. Of course with 4.2.2 all that seemed to change and now I have stutter. I really hope this can somehow be resolved. I only use probably about 5 apps on my N10 on a consistent basis and this is one of them.

JPW1 said:
The reason I'm asking is because this (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.directv.dvrscheduler) is one of the main apps I use on my nexus 10 and ever since I did the upgrade to 4.2.2 it exhibits stutter during live TV playback. I can't be certain this is related to 4.2.2 and thus my question, is anyone using this app with 4.2.2 and successfully playing back live TV stutter free? Like I said, it was stable for me up until just a couple weeks ago.
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Do you have the full range of channels to watch live? Or a select few?

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Do you have the full range of channels to watch live? Or a select few?
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The app only allows for a select number, but I think there are quite a few, something like channel 200 and above. Personally, I watch it for The Tennis Channel and HGTV while I'm working out. Of course I can't any more since something seems to be an issue. I keep wondering whether anyone on 4.2.2 is able to stream live TV or not. I was able to do it with 4.2.1 just fine.

JPW1 said:
The app only allows for a select number, but I think there are quite a few, something like channel 200 and above. Personally, I watch it for The Tennis Channel and HGTV while I'm working out. Of course I can't any more since something seems to be an issue. I keep wondering whether anyone on 4.2.2 is able to stream live TV or not. I was able to do it with 4.2.1 just fine.
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I just pulled up the DirecTv app for the first time since the 4.2.2 update to do live streaming. EXACT same problem as you. Stuttering where it was smooth before. Same is true for the tablet and phone version of the app. I would say 4.2.2 is the likely culprit unfortunately.

fooldog01 said:
I just pulled up the DirecTv app for the first time since the 4.2.2 update to do live streaming. EXACT same problem as you. Stuttering where it was smooth before. Same is true for the tablet and phone version of the app. I would say 4.2.2 is the likely culprit unfortunately.
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Thank you so much for confirming this. Any thoughts on who we might be able to reach out to so that they have an awareness that this issue exists? I'm not quite sure who is best to contact when it comes to the developers of the android operating system.

JPW1 said:
Thank you so much for confirming this. Any thoughts on who we might be able to reach out to so that they have an awareness that this issue exists? I'm not quite sure who is best to contact when it comes to the developers of the android operating system.
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I'm guessing there's pretty much nothing you can do other than downrating in the market and explaining why. That's what I did.
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I can't take this any longer. Watching DirecTV on my tablet was one of the primary reasons I purchased it. DirecTV just released a brand new app for Android and it looks almost identical to the iPad's (very nice GUI). But guess what? The stupid live streaming also fails on the Nexus 10 with the latest OS updates in the same way their other app did. Unbelievable. I've done what I can to contact DirecTV and Google about the issues, but I'm not seeing much response and since it has already been probably 4 months I'm not expecting a true resolution any time soon.
SO...this leaves me with taking matters in to my own hands. I'm a complete newbie when it comes to rooting, but I guess what I need to do is root the device and either install a different build or roll back the Google OS to 4.2.1, the version that worked with the DirecTV app. Could anyone point me in the right direction of what the best course of action might be to accomplish this? There are so many posts with what seems like so many options I am overwhelmed. Any guidance is appreciated.

Now with the update to 4.3 it won't stream at all. Just goes blank. Fantastic.
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fooldog01 said:
Now with the update to 4.3 it won't stream at all. Just goes blank. Fantastic.
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I'm getting the exact same thing after the 4.3 update. What is Google thinking!?!? And how long before they actually fix major bugs like this?

Finally finally finally. DirecTV has fixed this app. It doesn't appear the picture quality is as good as it used to be, but I'm not really going to complain about that. They at least have it operational again. Where I will complain is around the time it took to get a resolution. For as much DirecTV is advertising their mobile viewing ability with tablets and cell phones, this should have been an "all hands on deck" priority for them and it wasn't. DirecTV, you can do better, but for the moment, I will give them credit for getting it done.

Stock, AOSP, Lollirock, or?

First of all, im sorry if this is not the appropriate place to post this. I just assume since all the posts on other ROMs were here, this would be it. So if a mod comes across this, please feel free to move it the the right spot.
I was wondering what sort of needs would each ROM be for? Personally, I like stock because everything is remote friendly, a simple environment, etc. But i do find that stock has its limitations, and am unsure if other ROMs could even remedy them, which is why im more curious as to the benefits of each.
What could you do on lollirock that you could do with stock? what about AOSP? I've not used them so honestly i personally dont know, which is why im here asking for information and opinions. From what ive seen with videos and such, they basically just look like your basic stock android that would appear on a regular device. I dont mind having to use a keyboard and mouse to set things up, but id much prefer to get rid of keyboard and mouse whenever i can, so if this mindset is right, then stock is already best for me? But if i can use AOSP or lollirock to configure how i want and allow me to do more, thatd be worth the trouble as long as in the end i can just use the remote or similar.

Depends on your needs. Stock is good for the most part. But stock was a no go for me. I really wanted to stay stock. But.......
I'm with Comcast. The HBOGo App just came out for the NP. I installed it. YAY! It asked for activation. Ok. Asked for my provider.... WTF? Comcast/Xfinity is not a supported provider....
So Comcast/Xfinity subscribers are screwed out of HBOGo. Well, with full AOSP 6.0 I installed the regular HBOGo app using the regular Google Play Store and now I can see all of my HBO shows.
So in the end it depends on what you need. If HBOGo had worked without me needing to root, install AOSP, etc.. I would have stayed stock. But that was not the case.

I'm a little partial to Cyanogen in general, but I'm using lolirock. I'm also using it unencrypted, with the external user partition, a different kernel and Xposed mods. Cyanogen didn't have a force unencrypt script that I saw.

omegatek said:
Depends on your needs. Stock is good for the most part. But stock was a no go for me. I really wanted to stay stock. But.......
I'm with Comcast. The HBOGo App just came out for the NP. I installed it. YAY! It asked for activation. Ok. Asked for my provider.... WTF? Comcast/Xfinity is not a supported provider....
So Comcast/Xfinity subscribers are screwed out of HBOGo. Well, with full AOSP 6.0 I installed the regular HBOGo app using the regular Google Play Store and now I can see all of my HBO shows.
So in the end it depends on what you need. If HBOGo had worked without me needing to root, install AOSP, etc.. I would have stayed stock. But that was not the case.
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Could you explain some other uses on AOSP that you couldnt do on stock? Personally I havent tried HBOGo, but every app I've tried so far, works via sideloading. Apps that were not on the android TV play store, I was able to install from the browser play store, and the ones that simply werent compatible with my device, Id use market helper to make the play store think it was a different, compatible device.

irsuv said:
I'm a little partial to Cyanogen in general, but I'm using lolirock. I'm also using it unencrypted, with the external user partition, a different kernel and Xposed mods. Cyanogen didn't have a force unencrypt script that I saw.
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Could you provide some examples of things you do with lolirock that you couldnt do on stock? like what benefits do you have with cyanogen and xposed?

Lollirock enables some functionality that's missing on stock and AOSP, like working menu buttons.

unvaluablespace said:
Could you provide some examples of things you do with lolirock that you couldnt do on stock? like what benefits do you have with cyanogen and xposed?
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I have always had good luck running Cyanogen on any android I have had. I have tried lots of other roms and regardless of device I have come into issues. Cyanogen just has a larger pool of devs. In lolirock it works like a big android tablet. I like to use a stock looking launcher and all the restrictions turned off. All the roms I flashed, lolilrock had no crashing, minimal force closes, and fairly compatible with apps.

omegatek said:
Depends on your needs. Stock is good for the most part. But stock was a no go for me. I really wanted to stay stock. But.......
I'm with Comcast. The HBOGo App just came out for the NP. I installed it. YAY! It asked for activation. Ok. Asked for my provider.... WTF? Comcast/Xfinity is not a supported provider....
So Comcast/Xfinity subscribers are screwed out of HBOGo. Well, with full AOSP 6.0 I installed the regular HBOGo app using the regular Google Play Store and now I can see all of my HBO shows.
So in the end it depends on what you need. If HBOGo had worked without me needing to root, install AOSP, etc.. I would have stayed stock. But that was not the case.
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You could adb install app or put app.APK on a flash drive and install from file manager. I have stock but for PIA and other android app that arent in NP stock play store, i download the files and install via adb. So far no problems for me. Im quite happy with how mine is setup.
At the end of the day its up to you and your preference. You should try everything out and see what meets your needs best.