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[Q] Tab 10.1 or EEE Transformer or Option C?

Ok, so i was instantly hooked the second Samsung teased their new thinner Tab10.1.
Since then i've been disapointed.
No Expandable memory (and only 16GB internal)
No HDMI
My 2 main uses for my tablet are reading News/Blogs and media consumption.
I just can't figure out if i'm ok with a thin, light, well performing tablet if it's going to lack video output and at least 32GB memory.
So far the EEE Pad Transformer is a fatter heavier option, but it might suit me better.
I'm open to be swayed one way or another. feel free to throw in another good recommendation too. it seems like theres 10 new Honeycomb tablets per week.
What do?

You won't notice 2mm more thickness if you are not hyped to it.
If you can live without the GT screen resolution, then yes, there are more functional Android tabs.
For me it's the display quality. I read a lot of books so it must be awesome.

I own an eeepc 1015pn that I added a 120gb ssd to, I was originally looking to purchase a transformer, prior to the release of the tab... but I would have ended up with two devices that were similar. that and the asus rep at the store kinda blew me off so I said F that.
I like the tab. its small and I don't need the extra space or ports, because I typically will have both my netbook and tablet with me at the same time.

The Transformer's thickness didn't bother me. It was the bezel, it's got squared edges and wasn't that comfortable to hold after a while, mainly in portrait mode.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is by far the most comfortable tablet I've held, even more comfortable than the iPad 2.
No HDMI out was a minor thing since that isn't something I would use much anyway, I could use a laptop instead. No micro SD actually bothered me a lot. But in the end I decided comfort was worth more than micro SD (and the cheaper price tag).
Another tablet to perhaps keep an eye on is the Toshiba Thrive. It's got a lot of nice ports, full SD, USB, micro USB, and full HDMI. Along with a removable back cover and battery. It's heavy though and that worries me some, but Engadget said it didn't feel as heavy as expected and the rubber back makes it more comfortable to hold.

Ravynmagi said:
The Transformer's thickness didn't bother me. It was the bezel, it's got squared edges and wasn't that comfortable to hold after a while, mainly in portrait mode.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 is by far the most comfortable tablet I've held, even more comfortable than the iPad 2.
No HDMI out was a minor thing since that isn't something I would use much anyway, I could use a laptop instead. No micro SD actually bothered me a lot. But in the end I decided comfort was worth more than micro SD (and the cheaper price tag).
Another tablet to perhaps keep an eye on is the Toshiba Thrive. It's got a lot of nice ports, full SD, USB, micro USB, and full HDMI. Along with a removable back cover and battery. It's heavy though and that worries me some, but Engadget said it didn't feel as heavy as expected and the rubber back makes it more comfortable to hold.
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I have the Samsung 10.1,how do the screens compare to each other?I'm thinking about getting a transformer but is the Samsung 10.1 screen superior to it??

Barely. They're both very good screens but the Samsung one is more vibrant and bright (due to settings I'm sure).
PS: There should be a stickied topic regarding these... comparisons. Or people should learn to use the search.

cglowstick said:
No Expandable memory (and only 16GB internal)
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I just can't figure out if i'm ok with a thin, light, well performing tablet if it's going to lack video output and at least 32GB memory.
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You do know you can get it with 32GB, right?

Itaintrite said:
Barely. They're both very good screens but the Samsung one is more vibrant and bright (due to settings I'm sure).
PS: There should be a stickied topic regarding these... comparisons. Or people should learn to use the search.
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Is it like comparing super amoled to retna display? Like that kind of difference?
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(Q) modding a phone into a tablet

Can this be done? I am asking this because I am getting sick of messing with all these tablets none of the 7' ones have optical batteries and it is hard to find one that doesn't weigh like a pound with a huge bezel which is the main reason why I was looking at doing this I feel the tablet would really benefit being light weight. My main question is if I found a decent cellphone with a broken screen for cheap would it be difficult to be able to adapt a 16:9 7' LCD panel and capacitive digitizer to the connector? I'd really love to have a small pocketable 7' tablet that has moddable space for some of the cheaply available cellphone batteries or extended batteries etc..
I was close to getting what I wanted with one tablet but it didn't have USB charging.

you can try on openmoko phone,they are coming with full customization opensource phone so you can modify it.

buzz86us said:
Can this be done? I am asking this because I am getting sick of messing with all these tablets none of the 7' ones have optical batteries and it is hard to find one that doesn't weigh like a pound with a huge bezel which is the main reason why I was looking at doing this I feel the tablet would really benefit being light weight. My main question is if I found a decent cellphone with a broken screen for cheap would it be difficult to be able to adapt a 16:9 7' LCD panel and capacitive digitizer to the connector? I'd really love to have a small pocketable 7' tablet that has moddable space for some of the cheaply available cellphone batteries or extended batteries etc..
I was close to getting what I wanted with one tablet but it didn't have USB charging.
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If I read this correct, you want to be able to remove the tablets battery and/or swap it with a cellphone battery? Would it work? Yes. No. I have a 5in. Galaxy Player that has a non-removable battery but I removed it just to see if I could. If you manage to correctly wire everything together you have to consider how to get it in a pocketable shell. Also phones and tablets have different shaped batteries and those batteries have different amperage/voltage. But hey, if you got expendable cash and a little "know how" by all means go for it.

i was talking modding a phone with a broken screen into a tablet by replacing the screen with a 7' lcd and a capacitive digitizer and designing a shell while maintaining the phones ability to use its own optical batteries. I am just trying to get a feel for whether this would he a viable idea.

But do u think a 7 inch is pocketable? Even if its weightless? Lol, i almost dont put my hd2 in my pockets, its hell of a big.
But as ans for ur doubts its possible. Unless u manage to get a proper display. Batt isnt that much prob. U can make packs with several batts, if u know how to.
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Wouldn't one extended battery suffice? and yes a 7' tab is pocketable the main issue that makes these non pocketable is the huge bezels on some of them.

First and foremost you can't wire a different screen or digitizer into the system. The LCD driver is build and configured for that exact display and resolution. A better solution could be to slave a LCD panel using the hdmi and integrate a mouse into the housing to control it.
As for batteries there is a reason they are the way they are. It is easier to integrate it (smaller profile) and it is easier to deal with. You would need a huge battery if you wanted any sort of run time.

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First and foremost you can't wire a different screen or digitizer into the system. The LCD driver is build and configured for that exact display and resolution. A better solution could be to slave a LCD panel using the hdmi and integrate a mouse into the housing to control it.
As for batteries there is a reason they are the way they are. It is easier to integrate it (smaller profile) and it is easier to deal with. You would need a huge battery if you wanted any sort of run time.
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I was going to say, the biggest problem will be the driving hardware for the LCD as almost each lcd has a different one. In order for this to work you would have to find one that works exactly the same way as the screen that you are taking off.
Battery power will also be a problem. The battery for my Captivate is 5.5 Watt Hours which at 3.7-3.8V is 1450-1500mAh. The battery an iPad 2 is 28W which at 3.8V is 7380 mAh. Basically, bigger screen = bigger backlight. Bigger backlight = more power. The most battery two most battery draining items on the phone is the cell receiver and the lcd backlight.

pongkite said:
you can try on openmoko phone,they are coming with full customization opensource phone so you can modify it.
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Wow. I haven't seen a reference to openmoko in a long time.
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What's wrong with having a bezel around the screen? It is actually useful when you hold the tablet cause your fingers won't touch the screen as you're holding it

Get a Samsung galaxy note!

I agree with this guy ^^^^
I had the same trouble as you, but now I have a Galaxy Note, its only 5.3 inches though not 7, but after moving up from an iPhone it feels huge.

Yes on the Galaxy Note -- have one and am pleased
I have the Galaxy Note and recommend it as well.
Give that, my read is you may find an option of using an andriod phone put a mod on it (an example cyanogenmod) and BOOM phablet
I am digging into this as an option as well (welcome comments). I have been trying to get a device from ebay without luck todate (recommendations welcome).
I also ordered a Window N50 (N5Zero) as another option
let me know if this helps

Unless you really need the phone functionality of an actual phone, wouldn't it be much simpler to buy an existing 7" tablet and then mod it to take removable batteries? Some dremel work, bit of plastic plates for support and some spring contacts and you're good to go.
China makes some very nice android tablets. I've got a 9.7 one that runs ICS and the experience on it is at least as good as my old HTC desire minus the phone and 3G. Supports external 3G dongles but dang they're ugly..

For the record, I have a galaxy note.
Just buy a kindle fire, root it, and install ICS. Or just install a launcher like my GF did. For 200 dollars you will not do any better than it, period.
The kindle fire is pretty impressive in terms of RAM and processor power for the price, and while the screen isn't perfect, I found it hard to justify $700 at the time for the Gnote over her free smartphone and $200 dollar KF.
Even in terms of gaming, emulation, etc, I have yet to find anything running significantly slower than on my Gnote, even though the specs are just a 1ghz dual- core processor and 512 mb RAM. I think the playstation emulater ran ever so slightly slower with a 3D game, that's it.
My girl seems to get around 3-4 days on standby with some moderate gaming and a lot of e-reading, etc. I'm sure you can get a generic micro-usb 'external battery' which will charge your device etc. Personally, I just carry around a micro-usb cable and/or charger. Unless you are taking this hypothetical tablet into the woods I can't see how you wouldn't be able to charge it at least for an hour or two somewhere in this day and age.
One of the reasons that you will not find tablets with removable batteries is that the batteries themselves are massive and make up much a pretty sizeable chunk of the phone. I can't state the specifics, but the point is you can't just 'remove the back and plop in a new battery'. What, were you planning to run four galaxy S2 batteries in series or something? How would that be useful? And do you really think that the result you will get will be superior to something you could buy? Have you ever tried soldering onto PCBs before? Do you have the proper equipment to do so?
+1 to the lower-cost tablets coming out of China, etc. I have heard some good things about them.
Summary: economies of scale have all the answers you need

The Toshiba Thrive has a removable battery. The 10 inch, at any rate.
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7.7 Portability vs iPad3

One of the big problems with the iPad other than overheating and under charging is it's poor portability. If you want to use it outside the home then you need a big bag similar to a laptop bag to carry it. The 7.7 easily fits in ladies handbags and fits in jacket pockets making it very portable.
Because the iPad3 is mostly house bound then you need to compare it with other mostly house bound devices such as laptops, netbooks, ultrabooks etc. where it does not fare well.

What is the point of this post, may I ask? Preaching to the converted?

Thanks for your random op/ed.
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alvinlts said:
What is the point of this post, may I ask? Preaching to the converted?
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What right have you to question the appropriateness of other people's posts?

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What right have you to question the appropriateness of other people's posts?
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Welcome to the internet!

I think he is just haring that the Tab7.7 has better portability and I agree with him, no other tablet can rival its portability.

EarlZ said:
I think he is just haring that the Tab7.7 has better portability and I agree with him, no other tablet can rival its portability.
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Perhaps the GT 7.0?
Just joking no offence
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edwinpang said:
Perhaps the GT 7.0?
Just joking no offence
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Lol its a thicker device!

EarlZ said:
Lol its a thicker device!
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My bad
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I just saw somebody holding a GT 7.0, and yes, the 0.7" make a difference, especially in a case. However, I don't really mind the extra waist of my 7.7.
I too find anything larger than 7.7 to be a bit cumbersome.
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There can be little doubt that the 7.7 tab is more portable than the iPad and for me that was the main reason I got it over the iPad3. Not counting the size and form factor advantage the 7.7 has the iPad3 is the better device in most other areas.
Give me an 8.5 inch screen with 1920x1200 resolution in a package about the same size as the 7.7 and I'd be even happier. And, I'd even PREFER it to be about 1mm thicker for two reasons: first, room for an even bigger battery; and second, I think the 7.7 is a little TOO thin and being a bit thicker would make it easier to hold by the edges.
The iPad is too close in size to a small notebook so it's hardly any more portable than that. The 7.7 is smaller than a sheet of paper (8.5x11) folded in half -- or about the size of a paperback book.
Brian

I've got a cheap Chinese 7 inch tablet as well my 7.7 and i've got to say the .7 really does make a difference in terms of portability. The 7" one fits much more easily in a pocket anss is a lot lighter.
Oh, and the "cheapo" chinese tablet is on ICS and has much more flexible connections than the Sammy.

palexr said:
I've got a cheap Chinese 7 inch tablet as well my 7.7 and i've got to say the .7 really does make a difference in terms of portability. The 7" one fits much more easily in a pocket anss is a lot lighter.
Oh, and the "cheapo" chinese tablet is on ICS and has much more flexible connections than the Sammy.
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flexible connections ? like what ? can i know the model number thingking of getting 1 as a remote for my htpc and whats the resolution ?

This 7.7 slides easily on my jeans front pocket lol
Everytime I pull it out, people are looking with a confused face 'where in the world thit that huge slab came from' = priceless

ThE_SoUrCe said:
This 7.7 slides easily on my jeans front pocket lol
Everytime I pull it out, people are looking with a confused face 'where in the world thit that huge slab came from' = priceless
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So true but the question I always get is "is that an ipad?" A bit anoying but I always tell them "no its better " lol!!!
Using Galaxy Tab 7.7 P6800

geogetski666 said:
flexible connections ? like what ? can i know the model number thingking of getting 1 as a remote for my htpc and whats the resolution ?
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Hi, well the device i got was this one:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/NATPC-M009S-Capacitive-Gingerbread-Responsive/forum/Fx1DBIDSXCYCEJH/-/1/ref=cm_cd_f_h_dp_t?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B006M07X34 Not sure if you can get that where you are, it is a pretty generic android tablet. But it is surpisingly well made and works fine. It is slightly thicker than the 7.7 but noticeably lighter and narrower, which makes it easier to hold in one hand and put in a pocket.
In terms of the connections it has an easily reached microsd slot (no fiddly cover which feels like it is going to snap off any minute), a built-in HDMI (output to 1080), a mini-usb, 3,5 audio and a seperate power in.
The bit that I like is that I can use HDMI directly without having to pass-through the power cord. I can also use all the connections seperately. So in terms of your htpc question, it has actually replace mine. Bluetooth dongle for keyboard/mouse, hdmi to TV, power in or not, wifi connected streaming directly or from files on my PC.
The single proprietary IN on the 7.7 is a bind as far as I am concerned.
It came with 2.3.4 gingerbread on it but there are ICS 4.0.3 FWs to upgrade to - from the manufacturer.
The res is a "lowly" 800x480 but it works for me.
For £100 it is well worth the money, certainly compared to products from a certain company that thinks it sits somewhere on the right hand of whichever deity you might adhere to.

palexr said:
Hi, well the device i got was this one:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/NATPC-M009S-Capacitive-Gingerbread-Responsive/forum/Fx1DBIDSXCYCEJH/-/1/ref=cm_cd_f_h_dp_t?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B006M07X34 Not sure if you can get that where you are, it is a pretty generic android tablet. But it is surpisingly well made and works fine. It is slightly thicker than the 7.7 but noticeably lighter and narrower, which makes it easier to hold in one hand and put in a pocket.
In terms of the connections it has an easily reached microsd slot (no fiddly cover which feels like it is going to snap off any minute), a built-in HDMI (output to 1080), a mini-usb, 3,5 audio and a seperate power in.
The bit that I like is that I can use HDMI directly without having to pass-through the power cord. I can also use all the connections seperately. So in terms of your htpc question, it has actually replace mine. Bluetooth dongle for keyboard/mouse, hdmi to TV, power in or not, wifi connected streaming directly or from files on my PC.
The single proprietary IN on the 7.7 is a bind as far as I am concerned.
It came with 2.3.4 gingerbread on it but there are ICS 4.0.3 FWs to upgrade to - from the manufacturer.
The res is a "lowly" 800x480 but it works for me.
For £100 it is well worth the money, certainly compared to products from a certain company that thinks it sits somewhere on the right hand of whichever deity you might adhere to.
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I have the 7.7 but would not mind it being a tad thicker if that meant an even bigger battery. I would like the bezels to be smaller making it easier to hold on the sides and, once again, I think being a tad thicker would help here as well. But 800x480 -- NO F'n WAY! Not interested.
The Android makers are in a bind with Apple at one end eating up the premium dollars and the Kindle/Nook and Chinese knock offs at the other end driving the price down to unprofitable levels. The 7.7 is expensive and will likely not sell well even though the display is top of the heap and the size and form factor make it more usable than the iPad. When Apple pushes out the 7.85 tab that will be the final nail in the Android tab coffin...
Brian

Raptor1956 said:
But 800x480 -- NO F'n WAY! Not interested.
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Ha, ha, ha. Yes, it really makes a world of difference
Oh, and I happen to be in the electronic component distribution industry, I can tell you the final nail in the coffin will be when the manufacturers persist in ripping the public with their vastly inflated prices. Maybe people will fall off the Apple hype wagon ahd those trying to copy them will be forced to re-evaluate their business models. Bring on the kindles and Chinese 'knock offs' (knocking what off I don't know but hey, let's stereotype why not?).
I love my 7.7 but then I didn't pay for it...

The 0.7 inch does make a difference. I had the GT 7 for a year and waited for the 7.7 for a long time for its beautiful screen the thinness. Now that I have it, it is just a tad too big. It will fit in the pants pocket but not as comfortable as the GT7.
Now, all I need is the 7 with AMOLED screen andless than 7mm thick. Next year's Super GT 7 I guess
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Thats funny. As much as I like the iPad, I think the 7.85 form factor is going to be a tougher battle for Apple than the 10". I certainly won't be buying one. I tried the GT 10.1 and that is just too big, not comfortable at all.
To me between 7 to 10 (only in the 4:3 aspect ratio of the iPAD, not 16:9) is the ideal size for a tablet. And the Android devices certainly offer more choices in that range.

If Apple is smart they'd sell the 7.85 at cost to get a large percentage of the market. After all, they make 30% off of the apps and media they sell so they can sell the 7.85 at cost, kill Android in the process, and still make money from apps and media. They won't be able to so easily do this in the smart phone space, but tablets are another thing and Apple, if they play things smart, could kill Android in tablets and still profit.
When I say kill Android I'm not counting the Kindle or Nook and maybe some of the cheap Chinese ones but the major players looking to build quality tabs will not be able to do so AND make a profit...
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[Q] TF810 vs Ativ 500T

Seems simple as they are almost the same we should go for cheaper one...but...
is getting Samsung really a better deal?
Your thoughts? Which hybrid with Atom is the best choice and why?

I own the Samsung 500t. What I like about it besides being $200 cheaper, is the rotation lock button, full sized USB port, and a slot to store the s-pen. What I don't like is the glossy slippery plastic back, the weak speakers, and lack of second battery in the dock.
The TF810 looks like it has better build quality with mostly aluminum and some plastic, shouldn't be slippery, I think the "Quad-Speakers" are probably going to sound better. It's got a brighter Super IPS+ screen which helps if you need to use the tablet outside. And it has a second battery in the dock. Oh and it is just better looking too.
The Atom is okay, but it's video playback kinda sucks. It seems many of these Atom tablets have various driver quirks that are still being worked out. Things just don't seem to be quite ready yet and I'm already second guessing the wisdom of spending $750 on the Samsung. So I definitely wouldn't pay $950 for the ASUS (with dock).
I'm looking at the HP Envy X2 also. HP has it on sale for $750 (not sure how long this sale will last), that includes the dock. I really like the all aluminum build and the latch mechanism doesn't stick out as much as other tablets. It's also get a second battery in the dock, but has no stylus or a Wacom digitizer (apparently uses some cheaper digitizer). And some day the keyboard isn't that good either.
Seems like all the Atom tablets have some downsides that we have to figure out which ones we can accept.
I'm also thinking about just giving up on the whole keyboard docking thing and saving some money and getting a 10 inch ASUS VivoTab Smart. At least it'll make a better tablet being lighter and easier to hold. And I can prop it up in a stand and use a bluetooth keyboard. And lastly I won't feel so bad spending so much money to be a first generation Windows 8 tablet guinea pig.

Lenovo Lynx is looking pretty good too. $600 for the tablet, $150 for the dock.
http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/tablet/ideatab/lynx-k3011/?menu-id=learn&ref-id=learn
Being a Lenovo that means the keyboard should be pretty good, and the keyboard dock has a battery. Built quality looks quite nice overall, and a textured back appears grippy and finger print resistant. It has no pen though. And what really makes me nervous is the specs say the micro SD slot supports up to 32GB. No SDXC in 2013, seriously? I'm really thinking that's got to be a mistake, but I'm not sure. It's definitely a deal breaker if it isn't a mistake.

Ravynmagi said:
I own the Samsung 500t. What I like about it besides being $200 cheaper, is the rotation lock button, full sized USB port, and a slot to store the s-pen. What I don't like is the glossy slippery plastic back, the weak speakers, and lack of second battery in the dock.
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That is a true downside. I got Galaxy S3 and I have dropped it few times beacuse back has no grip at all , I suppose laptop/tablet will be less mobile than phone but still it should allow me to carry it in safety.
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The TF810 looks like it has better build quality with mostly aluminum and some plastic, shouldn't be slippery, I think the "Quad-Speakers" are probably going to sound better. It's got a brighter Super IPS+ screen which helps if you need to use the tablet outside. And it has a second battery in the dock. Oh and it is just better looking too.
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My thoughts exactly. So fat I have only seen 500t in reality as Vivo Tab is not in shops yet... but I just like the way it look.
One more downside of Asus in Poland is TERRIBLE warranty service. Services are being run by small companies that have agreement with Asus Poland and in most cases they blame user for everything - standard reply is "Seal was broken/tempered with - warranty void" even having pictures of it before send for repairs is not helping .
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The Atom is okay, but it's video playback kinda sucks. It seems many of these Atom tablets have various driver quirks that are still being worked out.
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What exactly are your issues?
This device that I will buy has to be able to play (smoothly) most video formats, most popular being .mkv 720p.
If this has similar problems to "old" Tegra 2 devices (remeber?) than it is a BIG PROBLEM.
On the other hand I used to have old Asus 1201n netbook with dual-core Atom 300 and first gen. Nvidia Ion onboard and it played everything without an issue (12" screen with 1366x768).
So... what is going on here?
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I'm looking at the HP Envy X2 also. HP has it on sale for $750
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Saw it... don't like it either. Had HP/Compaq in the past and always had problems with them.
Since hardware of HP and 500t is the same I would go with Samsung in this one (I guess).
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Seems like all the Atom tablets have some downsides that we have to figure out which ones we can accept.
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More details, please
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I'm also thinking about just giving up on the whole keyboard docking thing and saving some money and getting a 10 inch ASUS VivoTab Smart.
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I was considering it, but in my case size of screen matters . When I write texts I work with few windows an 10" is just to small .

What's the difference between the tf810 and the tf810c? Is there a tf810 with LTE or any cellular connectivity?
Also the Samsung device looks to be a afterthought device from Samsung. Avoid
If its possible, I'd say wait another season or two for more competition.
If not, go TF810.

WingCero said:
What's the difference between the tf810 and the tf810c? Is there a tf810 with LTE or any cellular connectivity?
Also the Samsung device looks to be a afterthought device from Samsung. Avoid
If its possible, I'd say wait another season or two for more competition.
If not, go TF810.
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Can't wait I am waiting last 2 year to replace iPad with something that will do what I need.
I need Windows to work, I need mobile device to work away from home during weekends ( yes I know)
And I dont want just laptop as I has to be entertainment device as well.
Why do you say: Samsung device looks to be a afterthought device...?

galtom said:
Can't wait I am waiting last 2 year to replace iPad with something that will do what I need.
I need Windows to work, I need mobile device to work away from home during weekends ( yes I know)
And I dont want just laptop as I has to be entertainment device as well.
Why do you say: Samsung device looks to be a afterthought device...?
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In terms of the Samsung device, its build quality looks to be just as bad as it's phones. Samsung laptops are probably the best in the world (Series 9) To see the ATIV coming from them is a clear sign that they didn't really put much thought into it, especially when you compare it to DELL and ASUS' hybrids.
Looks like we're in the same situation. I cannot wait either :-/
I just posted this so maybe you'll find some help alongside of me.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2093981

Thanks for link.
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I have a TF810C and it's beautiful, the battery life is quite incredible. I consider this device perfect, except for the downsides:
-Slightly visible pixels at normal viewing distance, due to lowish resolution screen
-The pen bugs out when drawing 1cm near the edges of the screen
-The pen lacks drivers, and so does not work for Photoshop or nearly anything else. It works with some Windows 8 apps and both desktop & metro OneNote. When it does work, it works really well.
-Tinny speakers that are situated at the back of the tablet. They get a little bit distorted.
-No complex gestures for the touchpad. I like to tap on the right click area instead of pressing down, but the drivers for the tablet don't allow this!
-Dodgy, dodgy chipset drivers. Expect a BSOD every 2 days, sound that completely breaks until you reboot once a day, stability problems, unresponsive touchpad when waking from sleep, etc. These can happily be fixed by installing Samsung/HP/Acer drivers.
-No ASUS support at all. Drivers are not being updated, and the website doesn't even list the device correctly.
-The CPU can't handle fast-moving 720p 10bit .mkv files in VLC Player. Media Player Classic works, but it breaks for complex subtitles. Thankfully, a kickstarter for Windows 8-style VLC Player has been funded, and may offer better performance.
...And that's pretty much it for the problems. Every last one of them.
The tablet is thin, light, shiny, has a colourful and bright display, well-balanced with the keyboard dock, brilliant in every other way.
I can definitely recommend it, and hope that ASUS will eventually get around to fixing these problems rather than making users depend on other devices' drivers.

galtom said:
What exactly are your issues?
This device that I will buy has to be able to play (smoothly) most video formats, most popular being .mkv 720p.
If this has similar problems to "old" Tegra 2 devices (remeber?) than it is a BIG PROBLEM.
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It's fortunately not as bad as the Tegra 2. I'm not sure if it's a hardware issue or maybe just a driver issue. I have trouble playing back some 1080p videos, there are noticeable frame drops. Stream HD video from Amazon Prime or YouTube gets choppy sometimes (not referring to buffering issues) as it's dropping frames. The ABC Player app in the Windows Store also drops frames. The Netflix app however seems to work flawlessly. And if I download 1080p YouTube videos and play them back with VLC that seem to work fine usually. 720p MVK files work most of the time, think I've had some higher bit rate ones that got choppy sometimes.
I have a smoother and more reliable video playback experience with my Kindle Fire HD. I'm hoping this is just a driver issue and things will get smoothed out soon.
Other driver issues...
Wireless sometimes has trouble reconnecting to an access point with bluetooth is being used. Some have also mentioned dramatic slows with wifi using bluetooth, though I haven't done any file transfers while using my bluetooth mouse yet, so haven't seen that first hand yet. If I disable the bluetooth the wireless never seems to have trouble reconnecting, only with bluetooth on.
The keyboard/trackpad don't seem to go to sleep when the tablet does. With the tablet in the keyboard dock, if I close lid this often causes the tablet to wake back up, even the screen will come back on. And it make stay on. I've also found that apps I didn't open will open up after I close the lid. I the tablet coming within close proximity of the trackpad while it's close is causing it to register clicks or interaction and wake up and run apps. I now have to manually press Fn-F5 to disable the track pad before closing the tablet lid on the keyboard. This seems to help a lot and now the tablet will go to sleep most of the time. Hopefully a driver update will make the keyboard/trackpad also sleep at some point.
However I don't think the keyboard/trackpad is the only issue preventing the tablet from going to sleep. Seems like if I have some applications running it has trouble sleeping as well. So if it doesn't sleep I may need to close some apps or go back to the Windows Start screen.
The audio is inconsistent. Sometimes the volume sounds good and sufficient and other times I have a real hard time hearing it. It's different on an app by app basis. Hopefully this can be improved through drivers.
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I seem to run into big cons with each tablet I look at...
Samsung 500T, slippery back, no secondary battery.
ASUS TF810, expensive, no pen silo.
HP Envy X2, No pen, poor keyboard.
Acer W510, Too small, poor keyboard.
Lenovo Lynx, No pen, 32GB SD limitation.
Lenovo Tabet 2, No keyboard dock.
Dell Latitude 10, No keyboard dock, too small.
Pick your poison. I'd prefer a keyboard dock that converts the tablet into a clamshell laptop design (so I'm not a fan of the Surface kickstand and type cover design). 10 inch tablets mean the keyboard is going to be too cramped, so the W510 is too small (and the Dell is too if it had a keyboard).
Originally I didn't care about a pen, however after using the Samsung 510T for a while, I'm starting to realize the pen is pretty nice to have. It helps with desktop apps, such as when I want to highlight some text in the browser, which seems to be impossible to do by finger. I don't ink on my tablets, so the pen is just to make working with the desktop apps easier. And I need to be able to store the pen in the tablet otherwise it'll be hugely inconvenient. This is probably the one con I can overlook, I think I could live without the pen, it's just something I'd really like to have.
Seems like on the Lenovo Lynx has the 32GB micro SD limitation. I already own a 64GB microSD card and I got to be able to use this with my tablet. 64GB is going to already be cramped on the tablet (only about 32 to 40GB is available depending on the size of the recovery partition). I'm hoping the 32GB limit is an error in the specs list, but it's mentioned more than once in different places.
Lack of secondary battery is more an annoyance. So far I've been able to get through an entire tablet with my Samsung 500T despite not having a second battery. I'm also not using the tablet constantly all day long, but I do use if frequently through out the day. And the battery life of the Atom is already impressive. So it's disappointing there is no second battery, but it's not a deal breaker.
A slippery back on a tablet almost is a deal breaker. While I don't feel like there is any danger of dropping it, it's so huge, so it won't slip out of your hands that fast. But it does make holding it even more awkward than the weight and size already make. Fortunately this potential deal breaker issue is somewhat solved with a skin I put on the back from Decalrus. The skin is smooth, but it is still a decent improvement than the glossy plastic of the tablet. It doesn't feel slippery anymore.
At this moment I'm probably going to end up keeping my Samsung 500T. If the Lenovo Lynx supported 64GB micro SD then I'd be highly tempted to switch to that. However if the sleep issues with the Samsung keyboard keeps bothering me, it's possible I just may give up on a tablet+keyboard=laptop dream and just go with a pure 10 inch tablet without keyboard and get an ASUS ME400 (VivoTab Smart) and save myself $250. And wait for the Bay Trail tablet at the end of the year.
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One positive thing about the 500T. Despite some driver issus with the wireless, it seems like Samsung has been doing a good job with driver updates. And the tablet has been quite stable. I've never had a bluescreen of death and don't need to reboot it.

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A slippery back on a tablet almost is a deal breaker. While I don't feel like there is any danger of dropping it, it's so huge, so it won't slip out of your hands that fast. But it does make holding it even more awkward than the weight and size already make. Fortunately this potential deal breaker issue is somewhat solved with a skin I put on the back from Decalrus. The skin is smooth, but it is still a decent improvement than the glossy plastic of the tablet. It doesn't feel slippery anymore.
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It seems a couple people posted about the slippery back of the Samsung ATIV 500T. I have owned this tablet for about 3 weeks now and I have had no issues at all with the material on the back of the tablet. Honestly I dont even feel like it is slippery. Its not like my fingers glide across the back when I am gripping it. Or I have never set it on a surface and feared that it would glide to the other end and fall to the ground. Just my opinion.
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knlmwq said:
It seems a couple people posted about the slippery back of the Samsung ATIV 500T. I have owned this tablet for about 3 weeks now and I have had no issues at all with the material on the back of the tablet. Honestly I dont even feel like it is slippery. Its not like my fingers glide across the back when I am gripping it. Or I have never set it on a surface and feared that it would glide to the other end and fall to the ground. Just my opinion.
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The back is smooth glossy plastic. When your hands are perfectly dry there is no issue. Unfortunately for us humans, up to 60% of our body is water and most of us have a little bit of moisture that forms in our palms. So unless you are constantly rubbing your hands dry and wiping the back of the tablet with a cloth, it's going to get slippery for most people.
I have no fear it's going to just pop out of my hands like a wet bar of soap. But it's difficult to hold in the palm of one hand while interacting with the screen, because it keeps slipping.
This back is one of the big reasons I'm returning mine. It's just too much of a hassle.

In all those devices with 64GB SSD - how much space is left for user?

A base Win8 64-bit install will use ~15GB, counting pagefile, hiberfile, etc. (size highly variable on the amount of RAM installed, among other things). Adding things like Office and the legacy .NET frameworks will drive that up somewhat. Realistically, If there's a recovery partition (likely), it'll probably be at least 5GB and possibly as much as 15GB (if there's a ton of pre-loaded crap) but that just depends on where you get it from, and you can create external recovery media (flashdrive or similar), nuke the recovery partition, and extend the main partition into the space. Realistically, I'd say you should expect to have 30-40GB of fully usable free space - you can go higher than that, especially if you disable hibernate, but it will slow things down if the storage gets too full.

Thanks for the info - that is all I needed to know.
As far as I understand there will be no problem in moving recovery partition to USB drive/NAS disk/ or even to cloud (Skydrive) just for storage?

galtom said:
Thanks for the info - that is all I needed to know.
As far as I understand there will be no problem in moving recovery partition to USB drive/NAS disk/ or even to cloud (Skydrive) just for storage?
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You can move it to a USB flash drive, it needs about 8GB of space. I probably wouldn't put it in a cloud drive since if you actually need it it'll need to be on a USB flash drive anyway.
BTW, with my Samsung 500T, I sometimes had to reboot twice before it would recognize the USB recovery drive (USB boot is weird on this thing).

Hi Guys, I had both the Ativ 500t and now the TF810. For me the 500t seemed slower and seemed to freeze. so I returned it and last week I got the TF810 for my Bday. It is so much better quality and performance. I also had a huge problem with the keyboard disconnecting on the 500t. The keyboard is soo much better with the TF810 and the battery adds atleast an additional 8hours. All this aside I ended up winning a contest at work and will receive the surface pro when released so I will probably sell the TF810 and throw in the Keyboard for free. It turns out we just missed out on the extended return with Amazon holiday because Adorama is only 15days into the new year.
Out of the 2 the TF810 for me was the far better machine. Granted I have only used it for a week but everything from the Pen on is so much better.

Great to hear that my decision to spend more and get Tf810 was/is a good one

Before you sell the TF810, it would be interesting to observe your comparison with the Surface Pro. I have the Surface RT and love it, but I'd like to see some comparisons of the x86 options. The Surface is very tablet-y; it can be used as a laptop (I have the Touch Cover, which works but is not perfect) but even with the kickstand and all, it feels a bit more natural as a tablet. I'm worried that Surface Pro may try a little too hard to be a tablet (despite its disadvantages in weight, thickness, etc.), and end up being good at neither.

If I still have it when the Pro comes I will do the comp video. But right now it is on EBay with keyboard included for only $799 so I doubt it will last long. As it is priced to sell.

[Q] PIPO W5 with active stylus

Guys have you check out PIPO W5 its 175 USD now on aliexpress and really I think is a game changer because it has active stylus rumoured come from hanvon.
Any of you have experience with the device?
Or, what do you think?

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Guys have you check out PIPO W5 its 175 USD now on aliexpress and really I think is a game changer because it has active stylus rumoured come from hanvon.
Any of you have experience with the device?
Or, what do you think?
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I've had mine since December 2014. Pretty zippy, screens a lot more brighter than my old Asus Vivotab Smart me400. The build quality is pretty good. The only spot that is creaky is where the headphone jack is.
The bezels are very small and the back is metal giving it a premium feel. However, it also makes it slippery compared to a plastic back.
I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 4 and the stylus and I would say this tablets stylus input is about 80% close to the experience on my Note 4.
Writing and input with the stylus is pretty accurate and an overall good experience.
I found that the screen input technology is the same as Hanvon (a chinese rival to Wacom).
So if you lose the stylus just goto Aliexpress type in the search box "hanvon stylus" and buy anyone of those as a replacement.
Overall I'm quite impressed with the tablet. I use it to take notes at work and surf the net here and there. Being Windows OS its pretty easy to use (if you can get over it Windows 8).