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1 or 2 question about the Nexus 7 Android Development

Hi,
i am new to this device and i want to calrify some things first. I own a Samsung Galaxy Nexus (previously Nexus One) and i am familiar to the dev sections of android/nexus devices.
1. What i do not understand is why the dev section is separated into Nexus 7 Android Development and Nexus 7 Original Development.
I there any difference between these devices or are they the same? I am in europe - which one do i usually get?
2. What is a good ROM to start with? What i am basically looking for is a fast and lean ROM with a very stock look and very good battery life. I am also looking for a true tablet UI look as it is on the transformer prime for instance. I mean i dont want those dock icons on the right when i hold the N7 horizontally...
Any suggestions? :fingers-crossed:
Thanks in advance

bunnahabhain said:
Hi,
i am new to this device and i want to calrify some things first. I own a Samsung Galaxy Nexus (previously Nexus One) and i am familiar to the dev sections of android/nexus devices.
1. What i do not understand is why the dev section is separated into Nexus 7 Android Development and Nexus 7 Original Development.
I there any difference between these devices or are they the same? I am in europe - which one do i usually get?
2. What is a good ROM to start with? What i am basically looking for is a fast and lean ROM with a very stock look and very good battery life. I am also looking for a true tablet UI look as it is on the transformer prime for instance. I mean i dont want those dock icons on the right when i hold the N7 horizontally...
Any suggestions? :fingers-crossed:
Thanks in advance
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1.original android development means that the devs there started the work from scratch/ or based from stock rom while android development is the place where people use other roms as a base and put their improvements into it (correct me if i'm wrong though)
2. you can try them all out check what fits your standard and look at the features if it has what you want try paranoid since it offers options which can make N7 look like tab

for question #2, try out Paranoid Android. that should give you the feel you are looking for in a tablet.

^^ what they said. PA for that tablet feel and while you are at it may I recommend Franco's kernel
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Ok,
Thank you all...
I am on Glazed ROM now and i'll give PA a shot tomowrow :good:

Seems like lots of nexus 4 issues after rooting/custom ROM

I've been flashing ROMs for years on my devices, and my new nexus arrives in a couple of days, replacing my amazing Samsung Vibrant (currently whizzing along on a very fast and stable 4.2.1 build)..... hard to believe a phone that's coming on 3+ years old and was dropped by T-Mobile at Froyo!
Seems that folk's flashing custom ROMs/kernels are having a ton of issues, and my question is this.
If the concept of the nexus device is pure Google and the latest stable ROMs, why bother flashing half-baked ROMs that cause problems?
I would assume the nexus 4 has the latest 4.2.1 build and should be stable, no?
Just trying to figure out the advantages of flashing problematic custom ROMs when this phone gets tested, stable latest builds?
How can you possibly stay ahead of Google if this phone gets the latest update as soon as it's available?
Thanks, looking forward to joining the nexus 4 community.

Hello and welcome to the Nexus community.
People usually flash custom ROM not for latest build but latest features. Google might have latest builds going on with nexus line but there are many features that only custom ROM offers. For example, making a quick toggle actual toggle, not a quick shortcut.
Also custom ROM for nexus have been much more stable than other phones since nexus phones already is running stock android, which is very close to AOSP, developers don't need to do a lot of work for basic features.
With these being said, I'm sticking with stock rooted mainly because features custom Roms provide isn't really needed for me and definitely not worth losing a bit of stability. But everyone is different.
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kyokeun1234 said:
Hello and welcome to the Nexus community.
People usually flash custom ROM not for latest build but latest features. Google might have latest builds going on with nexus line but there are many features that only custom ROM offers. For example, making a quick toggle actual toggle, not a quick shortcut.
Also custom ROM for nexus have been much more stable than other phones since nexus phones already is running stock android, which is very close to AOSP, developers don't need to do a lot of work for basic features.
With these being said, I'm sticking with stock rooted mainly because features custom Roms provide isn't really needed for me and definitely not worth losing a bit of stability. But everyone is different.
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Cool, appreciate the reply.
I see you are running stock ROM, but custom kernel? Does the kernel help with improving battery life? I've read that the battery life on the nexus 4 is lack luster and will only get you through a day of average usage before needing a charge?
That will be the only thing that I will flash - kernels that improve smoothness of experience and increase battery life.
I recall the original Vibrant ROM's were good but battery was crap. Over time and with a very strong (still to this day) developer community, I'm getting a couple of days with average use....and that's on an old battery too!
I should get my phone delivered tomorrow, so am excited to see how it compares to my aging Vibrant (running HellyBean 4.2.1 and it's really very very fast).
Cheers!

Yes I am using Franco kernel because it gives me extra battery life while giving a smooth experience. Franco was smart enough to fix a problem that Google caused
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Does having TWRP and Stock ROM still allow OTA Google Updates?
kyokeun1234 said:
Yes I am using Franco kernel because it gives me extra battery life while giving a smooth experience. Franco was smart enough to fix a problem that Google caused
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I see that you have stock ROM but rooted with TWRP - I just completed this setup, despite being a little tricky as the auto downloads/updates from Wugfresh were not working (not an AV/Firewall issue - had them all turned off) so had to do a lot of manual install.
Anyway, my question is this:
If I stick with stock ROM and Franco Kernel, will I still get OTA updates from Google?
I'm not really interested in custom ROM's right now and would rather get the latest official from Google - I am assuming that is what you also want, hence emulating your setup.
Thanks.

Globespy said:
I see that you have stock ROM but rooted with TWRP - I just completed this setup, despite being a little tricky as the auto downloads/updates from Wugfresh were not working (not an AV/Firewall issue - had them all turned off) so had to do a lot of manual install.
Anyway, my question is this:
If I stick with stock ROM and Franco Kernel, will I still get OTA updates from Google?
I'm not really interested in custom ROM's right now and would rather get the latest official from Google - I am assuming that is what you also want, hence emulating your setup.
Thanks.
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Um as far as I know, technically yes, you will receive updates from Google. But I've heard that any modification can effect the update so I'm not expecting to use ota but I believe that great developers from xda will surely release a stock updated ROM with root and everything that you can flash on twrp. That's what I've been doing with galaxy nexus before using nexus 4
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I'm running the latest CM10.1 nightlies and have had no issues and great battery life.
My wife is running stock, unrooted with no issues and great battery life.
Keep in mind that it's the people with issues who are most vocal. I'm guessing that the majority have no problems either way.

Aosp is the same as stock. All nexus roms base on aosp plus officially supplied drivers. That means Google Android as you know it runs stable. Features on top of that are in development and that is what may cause some issues, but only if you use these features and only in their isolated scope. No one ever suffers from missing Wi-Fi, gps, Bluetooth, etc. I don't think i would put a rom on a non nexus device, the only reason i buy nexus is because it's an open platform and i can enjoy cool ideas and features.

[Q] is there a list of ROM capabilities?

I've rooted and unlocked my N10 and loaded TWRP (or whatever it's called). So, I now have the ability to flash Roms (I've done it for ages on my Touchpad so the concept isn't new to me).
But is there a list of the different ROMs available and what each one brings to the table (over and above the standard one)?
regards
Alan

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2003731
Always check out the sticky threads of any forum you join, my old nan used to tell me. How right she was
Btw it lists all roms/kernels available, for the list of features you will have to visit the thread of the rom. Personally, I would advice you to flash Vanilla Rootbox or PACrom.
Sent from my GT-N7100 or the Nexus 10, heaven knows.
Those who help noobs go to heaven. True story.

Is there any particular reason why u wanna flash a new rom?

KasF said:
Is there any particular reason why u wanna flash a new rom?
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yes, I want to see what else my N10 can do. I've been use CM9 on my TouchPad and it seems nice. But I was looking to see what else was around
Alan

It all depends on what you want from a rom. Some offer tablet ui and some don't. Others offer otg support while others have yet to.
If you can list some necessities I'm sure many users can input which is most suitable.
I've personally switched from PA ROM/KTmanta to Kaos/Franco. R11.
Tablet ui is a must for me on a.... Tablet
Sent from my Nexus 10

johno86 said:
It all depends on what you want from a rom. Some offer tablet ui and some don't. Others offer otg support while others have yet to.
If you can list some necessities I'm sure many users can input which is most suitable.
I've personally switched from PA ROM/KTmanta to Kaos/Franco. R11.
Tablet ui is a must for me on a.... Tablet
Sent from my Nexus 10
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OK I need:
Tablet support
Smooth scrolling (check out Firefox in the standard ROM for how NOT to do it)
Bug-less wifi (standard ROM is not that good)
Anything else is just a bonus
Alan

What ROM are you using now?

Hi, I'm a new nexus 7.2 WI-FI owner, coming from an old Samsung Galaxy tab 8.9 with CM10.1.2
I've been playing with the stock ROM for a week now and I'm happy. I'm wondering if I'm missing anything staying in stock. My old galaxy nexus phone is also on CM10.2, haven't tried any Rom other than CM.
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Since the new Nexus 7 is Google's flagship device, they push out the latest release of the Android OS very quickly (first to get it). You have to ask yourself what's to be gained by using a custom ROM? Most folks who use them on their phones its to eliminate bloatware and run a later Android OS than their carrier has pushed out. The Nexus 7 Wi-Fi model doesn't have carrier loaded bloatware and you have the latest OS already. I run the stock ROM rooted . . . it's all I need.

Summit1 said:
Since the new Nexus 7 is Google's flagship device, they push out the latest release of the Android OS very quickly (first to get it). You have to ask yourself what's to be gained by using a custom ROM? Most folks who use them on their phones its to eliminate bloatware and run a later Android OS than their carrier has pushed out. The Nexus 7 Wi-Fi model doesn't have carrier loaded bloatware and you have the latest OS already. I run the stock ROM rooted . . . it's all I need.
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I haven't rooted nor installed customized ROM yet but what I'm missing about cm is the little customizable things such as options and layout of quick notification tiles, quiet hours, DSP manager, etc. Also very looking forward to the day some Dev can unleash the cellular function of the LTE version,

If you want some additional features like customizable shortcuts, HALO, lock screen shortcuts, PIE or something else, flash some other ROM. If you're a Nexus 7 WIfi owner, then it's not a big problem to choose one. There's a lot of them for FLO (32GB, Wi-fi). I'm personally using PAC Rom and ElementalX kernel, but it's just because I like Paranoid Android and AOKP features. If you don't want a lot of customizing, find something else, possibly lighter, faster, more battery efficient. Or simply use CM 10.2. And if going to settings to change Wifi state doesn't get on your nerves, you did rooting and want your device to run fast and have the latest OS, stay on stock.

I'm waiting for kitkat, so i figured if i root now, ill have to wait until someone gets the source and provide a flashable update. I'm originally from the Philippines but i stay in Ireland for 2 more months for a client im working with now. I bought the device in Dublin so I hope I get the update earlier than if i was in asia.
I actually miss being rooted and able to block annoying ads but i guess after the kitkat update I'll root immediately.
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I am stock, rooted. I really haven't seen the need for anything else at this point. I DO think rooting needs to be done, if for nothing else that Titanium Backup. Plus, I think it is silly to have a device that you don't have access to the file system. Kinda like installing Linux without the "su" function.

PJ Clifford said:
I am stock, rooted. I really haven't seen the need for anything else at this point. I DO think rooting needs to be done, if for nothing else that Titanium Backup. Plus, I think it is silly to have a device that you don't have access to the file system. Kinda like installing Linux without the "su" function.
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True that. But like Apple, Google is protecting the masses, aka non tech people, from breaking their own devices. Only knowledgeable people should root their devices.
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stgeorge88 said:
I haven't rooted nor installed customized ROM yet but what I'm missing about cm is the little customizable things such as options and layout of quick notification tiles, quiet hours, DSP manager, etc. Also very looking forward to the day some Dev can unleash the cellular function of the LTE version,
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You can do most of this on stock with Xposed Framework.

Using pandroid no problems or lock ups yet.
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CarbonRom and ElementalX kernel.
On my Galaxy S3 I also run Carbon with KT747 kernel.

mixterz said:
Using pandroid no problems or lock ups yet.
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I saw in one post they're having lockups at least once a day. Maybe you're not the heavy user type?
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martin707 said:
I saw in one post they're having lockups at least once a day. Maybe you're not the heavy user type?
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Not everyone experiences lockups. In fact, when everything works, people usually stay quiet.
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Summit1 said:
Since the new Nexus 7 is Google's flagship device, they push out the latest release of the Android OS very quickly (first to get it). You have to ask yourself what's to be gained by using a custom ROM? Most folks who use them on their phones its to eliminate bloatware and run a later Android OS than their carrier has pushed out. The Nexus 7 Wi-Fi model doesn't have carrier loaded bloatware and you have the latest OS already. I run the stock ROM rooted . . . it's all I need.
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I would think people are more likely to go the custom rom route because they wish to have more control over their devices, as in more settings/options. Then add in some of the cool additions rooms have.
Though some can be mimicked via apps.

Just the stock ROM; not rooted yet.

PA. Absolutely love PA.

PA and Franco kernel. Love the extra features of PA

Been using Carbon. I really like it and the nightlies have been very stable for me so far.

I'm running the latest PAC man ROM with elemental X kernel.
There actually is a lot to be gained... With this custom kennel I have double tap the screen to wake, swipe to sleep.
With PAC man you can also use the PA gapps to customize the colors of the apps. Also has swipe the top of the screen to adjust brightness. There are several themes as well. I run the PAC in black theme that comes with the ROM.
Just a few reasons why I prefer a custom ROM over the stock rooted rom
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I'm using AOKP and plan on staying with it. There wasn't anything wrong with the stock rom and I considered staying with it, its' the first android device where I wasn't unhappy with something. The reason I use AOKP is mainly because of how easy it is to theme it. Literally hundreds of options and changing the theme is like getting a new rom without the hassle of changing rom's. It's nice to have something new to look at when you get bored, plus I like all the rom control options like changing the battery icon and clock position and color.
Plus with this device its soooo easy to go back to stock I am not afraid of having any issues if I ever want to unroot and update.

I'm using AOKP, stable tablet ui with no need of changing dpi settings, adding 7 buttons to the navbar and customizing them.
Also use Carbon, for the lots and lots of features.

CM & franco kernel w/ DT2W

[News] Paranoid Android is back.

Original source: https://plus.google.com/+ParanoidAndroidCorner/posts/WcCp3J7Vj1A
Paranoid Android 2016 Launch
We are launching brand spanking fresh. All new features. New team members. New everything and we have made sure that everything that we are releasing has been polished to our best.
The main features and enhancements that you will probably end up noticing are our custom Quick Settings tile reordering functionality, floating window support, immersive mode, the new on-the-spot interface and CM Theme Engine.
Quick Settings tiles can be managed with ease - you can reorder the tiles by simply long pressing them, remove them by dropping them in the trash bin and add them back in from the add panel. The hidden tiles will be out of your way when checking the notifications but will still be usable from the add panel without any hassles if you want to do that all of a sudden.
You can make an application float either by long pressing a notification and tapping the floating button or by tapping the floating button for the application in the recents list. Additionally, you can make peeking (heads-up) notifications open floating windows by enabling that behavior in the "Floating peek" tile.
Those are not the only changes and features we have added. There are a variety of improvements to CAF devices (OnePlus, OPPO and others) which add custom kernels, advanced gesture and buttons control and more to provide a great experience on those devices. Of course we have spent a lot of attention on making all the visual details look right and on making all the functionality work right.
Over the months we have gained a bunch of new team members. We are now ready for all varieties of work - be it low level, aesthetics, user experience, motion design, testing or anything in-between. What we strive for is the best and we are stronger than ever to reach that.
On Paranoid Android 2016 launch we are supporting popular Nexus devices (6P, 5X, 6, 5, 4, 7 2013, 9) and the OnePlus family (One, 2, X) along with some Sony devices. The lineup is this way to make sure we release the best possible experience on all the devices we release for. No compromises, pure greatness.
We highly recommend everyone to use OpenGapps full version (do not use stock). Nexus 6P users need to make sure their vendor partitions are up-to-date (6.0.1). Our Nexus 5X builds come with a prebuilt vendor image so no worries for you folks!
There is more to come in #aospa2016 but for now, grab your builds at http://get.aospa.co/ and #stayparanoid!

ok, a simple question.. so what?

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo excited ! I'm flashing right now. I was worried someone was just bumping an old thread !

Holy crap this is great news. Used PA on my old Samsung Infuse back in the day
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Interesting... Cant wait to see a fresh rom from them and try it out. Happy with Pure Nexus atm but im always for trying a paranoid rom.

best rom for nexus devices, i used this rom from nexus 4, nexus 5, now it avalible for my nexus 6, so nice

Great, just when I've sold my N6.
Hope they develop for the 1+1 though...

instruction not clear. stuck in patching system image unconditionally. what should i do captain?

don't use stock kernel if you unencrypted.........flash a different kernel if you are or you will lose everything...

simms22 said:
ok, a simple question.. so what?
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Seems to be a popular ROM and people are excited to see it back in action. That's what.

My nexus 6 is still on paranoid Android version of 5.1.1 how do I update to 6.0? Anyone know what I need to do (bootloader's radios etc) to successfully update? I'm currently encrypted and don't mind staying that way.
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flash the latest radio and bootloader, first, just to make sure
there is a thread in dev that has them all

fantasy2c said:
don't use stock kernel if you unencrypted.........flash a different kernel if you are or you will lose everything...
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Or use this... [MOD][GUIDE] Unencrypt/Flashable - Disable Force Encryption - Any Rom/Kernel and you can use the stock kernel and remain unencrypted.

I've been running this since the announcement yesterday and everything is going smoothly so far. Very stable so far with no reboots or app crashes. Not a ton of features in the rom yet but I'm sure with some time this will be an amazing Rom. It pretty much already is.

Dopamin3 said:
Or use this... [MOD][GUIDE] Unencrypt/Flashable - Disable Force Encryption - Any Rom/Kernel and you can use the stock kernel and remain unencrypted.
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I messed up and allowed the ROM to boot before I could install a custom kernel or use that guide. TWRP is asking me for an encryption password now. Is there some kind of default password that got set or am I screwed?

Just skip it, I forget what to hit but don't type anything and hit enter or something, it'll skip thru it

murtaza02 said:
Great, just when I've sold my N6.
Hope they develop for the 1+1 though...
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They support 1+1 on their official release's: http://get.aospa.co/official/bacon

Anyone got the lockscreen to work?
Is Franco kernel working?
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mine is stuck in patching system image unconditionally., tried with franco and exkernel and stays there

h.baraary said:
They support 1+1 on their official release's: http://get.aospa.co/official/bacon
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I tried their new build.
Wasn't too impressed. Charging is painfully slow, camera is horrible, flashing a custom kernel breaks the camera and it was a real challenge to actually get the ROM to boot.
Hope they fix it in their newer builds.
P.S: I'm talking about the 1+1 here, not the N6 in case anyone was wondering.
Sent from my A0001