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What's the breakdown of the 16GB of memory?

Is it 8GB for os + apps and 8GB for media? Or maybe a new file system with Gingerbread that does not allow USB mass storage but all 16GB for os + apps + media?

It's most likely 1-2gb for apps and the rest for /sdcard/ this is how the Vibrant is.
You'll never fill up 2gb worth of apps...

So we are probably looking at roughly 14gb of available data stock? That's not that bad after all, most people are dealing with a 16gb microSD anyways. At least this will be faster... they should have made it 32gb or at least have the option... my heart is broken to have no removable storage (almost a deal-breaker)

It's not too terrible honestly. It's fully accessible when plugged into a PC. It's simply an internal SD card... Just copy the files off if you want them moved. No huge deal imho. Not that I wouldn't have preferred it to be external (bought a new 16GB class 4 for nothing)

Anderdroid said:
It's most likely 1-2gb for apps and the rest for /sdcard/ this is how the Vibrant is.
You'll never fill up 2gb worth of apps...
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Developers cite the lack of app memory as a reason why they don't port games to Android. I'm disappointed Google hasn't addressed this issue yet beyond Apps2SD, which only moves part of programs.
As a comparison, on my late iPhone 3G, I filled up 2GB in apps in a couple hours. Myst alone was around 700-800MB.

Pete2s said:
Developers cite the lack of app memory as a reason why they don't port games to Android. I'm disappointed Google hasn't addressed this issue yet beyond Apps2SD, which only moves part of programs.
As a comparison, on my late iPhone 3G, I filled up 2GB in apps in a couple hours. Myst alone was around 700-800MB.
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Err what? That's the point of the SD Cards. It is very easy for an game to download it's resources onto the SD Card... I own an iPad. Android and iPad do things differently. Both approaches work.

The Nexus S actually has two flash parts -- 512MB of onenand and 16GB emmc. The onenand hosts the bootloader, kernel/ramdisk, radio firmware, and the cache partition (yaffs2). The emmc part hosts /system (ext4), /data (ext4), and /sdcard (vfat).
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I believe the /data partition which holds the apps(AFAIK) is about 1 GB from the screenshots.

very disappointing that over a year after the moto droid launches, we have moved to internal storage (which should give more room for more memory) and we are still stuck at 16gb

The galaxy S line works like this:
2GB /Data partition for apps
13GB /sdcard partition that acts exactly like an SD card.
The extra missing 1GB is most likely the system storage.

The storage for app is about 1GB. See screenshot from Engadget :
http://www.engadget.com/photos/google-nexus-s-hands-on/#3644046
See screenshot no. 45.
There you go, happy?
I think I am fine with it. Right now I am using HTC Desire with its pathetic 40MB storage for app. So, 1GB is a huge upgrade for me

Check Engadget, they explain that apps can be placed in the internal extra space to substitute for the lack of SD card, still not great but at least you know Google knew this would be an issue, and fixed it. Honestly, the market is full of great 3d games, if I were to download all of the great 3d games in the market, I would still have enough space on the device for my 5 gigs of music, they don't take that much space.

Well not only you lose external SD you also lose 1GB of internal application storage
GalaxyS has 2GB free of application storage
Nexus S only has 1GB
Seriously dont get all these cut backs
BTW the 13GB is same on both phones
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Honestly, I would like it customizable. Like in a OS on a PC you can resize partitions with relative freedom. I would like to delegate what I want to app storage and general storage.

saint327 said:
Honestly, I would like it customizable. Like in a OS on a PC you can resize partitions with relative freedom. I would like to delegate what I want to app storage and general storage.
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You use to be able to do that on windows mobile back in the day

demo23019 said:
You use to be able to do that on windows mobile back in the day
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You can on the hero CDMA with firerat's mod

demo23019 said:
Well not only you lose external SD you also lose 1GB of internal application storage
GalaxyS has 2GB free of application storage
Nexus S only has 1GB
Seriously dont get all these cut backs
BTW the 13GB is same on both phones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IegTiCa6RTQ
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would of rather the 2GB to be on the safe side, but 5 times the space of the nexus one sounds pretty damn good to me.

64GB Micro SD card WORKS!

just formatted it with EASYUS to FAT32 and it works. Copied my 32gb content over and did not even have to redo my home screens. I also partitioned it to use with link2sd but have not yet tried out linking any apps.

Sweet dude where did you find one of them? I've been looking but no go so far
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well done...
any screenshot, to confirm...
i'm going to buy it, if it really works....
thanks...

I bought from play.com directly and it works. I saw them on amazon.co.uk cheaper but the one from amazon says 2-4 weeks delivery and the one from their market place third party i did not want to take the risk with. I can do the screenshot later but I promise you it works. I made it into two partitions now one FAT32 and another ext2 for link2sd and started moving some apps incl data and library files to get more internal space. so far a did only a couple of apps and after reboot it shows more free internal memory but I want to do more to see proper effect. will report on that later.

SDHC or SDXC?

Ok, we'll wait for it, can you show us also the storage info screenshot of your link2sd, I just wanna see how you did that 2 partition, mine has ext2 only..

Link2sd screen
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And settings storage one
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SDHC or SDXC?
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Sdxc but adapter says sdhc. By SanDisk. Hope it helps.
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Wow, I had a 64gb card laying around somewere, will try it later.

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Link2sd screen
And settings storage one
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hwowowo ,i can't really imaging . . . .the Xperia Play can use 64Gb micro SD ,really impressive . . .maybe in early time i must by 64 GB for my PLAY ,good thank for you

Forgive me for not really understanding this thread, but a few questions:
Why is it so amazing that a 64gb SD card works? Why wouldn't a 64gb SD card work? Is this likely to only work with certain brands or certain phones? If I get a sandisk 64gb SD card should I expect any problems?

tmovids said:
Forgive me for not really understanding this thread, but a few questions:
Why is it so amazing that a 64gb SD card works? Why wouldn't a 64gb SD card work? Is this likely to only work with certain brands or certain phones? If I get a sandisk 64gb SD card should I expect any problems?
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The Xperia Play is listed as only having an SDHC MicroSD port. SDHC officially, only supports up to 32GB per the specifications. The newer SDXC specification supports capacities up to 2TB.
That said, I think the OP poster should use one of the the free testing apps in the market like SD Card Tester, etc. to try filling up the card with real data. I've often seen cases of cards reporting more capacity than they can actually hold/access and errors may not occur until you try to actually fill up the space with real data despite the reported capacity from the OS appearing ok. This is especially common with Chinese e-bay sellers, etc. selling mislabeled memory cards that start giving errors when you start filling them up.

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That said, I think the OP poster should use one of the the free testing apps in the market like SD Card Tester, etc. to try filling up the card with real data. I've often seen cases of cards reporting more capacity than they can actually hold/access and errors may not occur until you try to actually fill up the space with real data despite the reported capacity from the OS appearing ok. This is especially common with Chinese e-bay sellers, etc. selling mislabeled memory cards that start giving errors when you start filling them up.
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I know what you mean that's way did not even wont to buy from marketplace amazon sellers just in case they had fakes for some reason. I have filled it with the content of almost full 32GB card and did not have any problems yet - most fake cards are much smaller capacity than 32gb so I don't think I will have a problem.

tmovids said:
Forgive me for not really understanding this thread, but a few questions:
Why is it so amazing that a 64gb SD card works? Why wouldn't a 64gb SD card work? Is this likely to only work with certain brands or certain phones? If I get a sandisk 64gb SD card should I expect any problems?
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The reason I was so amazed is that I asked people on the forum here and was told it would not work above 32GB but it does. Someone on the tablet did the same thing with 128GB SD card but not micro form factor. So now we know and I hope it helps someone who like me before was not sure if it would work.

ps3taker said:
I know what you mean that's way did not even wont to buy from marketplace amazon sellers just in case they had fakes for some reason. I have filled it with the content of almost full 32GB card and did not have any problems yet - most fake cards are much smaller capacity than 32gb so I don't think I will have a problem.
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Try going over 32gb with data and see what happens when trying to read it back. The free SD card tester in the market can make it very easy..slide the slider to the right and see how it does.
https://market.android.com/details?id=air.com.anotherflexdev.sdcardtester.SDCardTester

thanks for the screenshot you provided...
again question...
any lag with HD games?

I find it faster but it could be because I also started using app2sd and now have more internal memory. I used to get force close/wait messages before even in settings and play launcher menus and my low on space message would be triggered frequently - now it is no problem

zipeee2 said:
Try going over 32gb with data and see what happens when trying to read it back. The free SD card tester in the market can make it very easy..slide the slider to the right and see how it does.
https://market.android.com/details?id=air.com.anotherflexdev.sdcardtester.SDCardTester
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I agree....until over 32GB of the card is full there's really no way of confirming this 100% works

Very close to filling it over 32gb. When final dexter is aired i will fill it over 32gb and test.
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zipeee2 said:
Try going over 32gb with data and see what happens when trying to read it back. The free SD card tester in the market can make it very easy..slide the slider to the right and see how it does.
https://market.android.com/details?id=air.com.anotherflexdev.sdcardtester.SDCardTester
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Hi, I just bought a Sandisk 64GB card for my Xperia Play and I can confirm it's working fine. I used the above app to verify my card that already had about 14GB of data on it, which can also be seen in the screenshot below (the max amount of data i could test was ~46GB, which is about right... 60-14 = 46).
I set it to write another 25GB for a total of ~39GB and it had to problems.
This took about three hours to test, and if i shut off the screen it stopped testing... as you can see my battery almost died. I'm glad I didn't try filling it up fully
Anyway, I hope this helps someone.

[All Carriers] Internal Storage Partitioning

EDIT (2012-06-27):Great news! Android Central was wrong and internal storage does not appear to be partitioned! Although it's strange that it's not closer to 28GB. Thanks to aznmode for posting the first screenshot in another thread.
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just got mine woot. Heres the memory. I guess its not split?
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To those of you with the 16GB phone in hand, could you post a screenshot of the Storage screen? Androidcentral's review of the 32GB model says that the 32GB is partitioned into 12GB of "phone storage" (for apps) and 12GB of "internal sd". I was all set with getting the 32GB version, but this has now given me pause. Can it be re-partitioned to be one single large partition for apps? If not, I would just go for the 16GB version (assuming it has similar amount of space for apps) and spend the $50-saved on a 32GB MicroSD card.

Yea it is a buzz kill on 32g it saves 12 to USB storage and 12 to internal sd card im getting the 16 gb

Any chance the Dev's will come up with something that will allow us to change this?

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Any chance the Dev's will come up with something that will allow us to change this?
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I would think so. The guys in the Nook Tablet forum provided a way to repartition that thing from it's miniscule 1GB of user space.

12 + 12 = 24. Where is that last 8GB? O/S reserved space or something?

Sleestax said:
12 + 12 = 24. Where is that last 8GB? O/S reserved space or something?
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I would think so, but that sounds high
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nicholaaaas said:
I would think so, but that sounds high
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I think so too, but if it is, then the 16GB crowd will only have 8GB divided between apps and data (before adding a micro SDHC card), that blows.

Totally sucks on the 32gb version which I switched to and ended up waiting longer for. I do hope there is a way to repartition them to one.

This is where I'm at now. Just a few essential apps and a few pics. Haven't put me sd card in yet
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Thanks tkemack! Seems like without re-partitioning, both 16GB-models and 32GB-models will run out of app space at the same time. That's assuming that Android Central really does have the 32GB version...

Sleestax said:
12 + 12 = 24. Where is that last 8GB? O/S reserved space or something?
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I was expecting the 32GB version to have 28GB (12GB+16GB) in a single partition. There's really no reason not to have exactly 16GB more than the 16GB-model. I guess we'll see next week when people get the 32GB-model in hand. Hopefully someone will post a screenshot in this thread.

ken830 said:
I was expecting the 32GB version to have 28GB (12GB+16GB) in a single partition. There's really no reason not to have exactly 16GB more than the 16GB-model. I guess we'll see next week when people get the 32GB-model in hand. Hopefully someone will post a screenshot in this thread.
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I'm hoping the website is wrong as I see no point to partitioning it. Isn't the GNex on Sprint 32GB? Maybe someone who has one of those can shed some light on if theirs is partitioned.

is this something we errrrrrr (the devs) can change ?

This makes me glad I got the 16gb! I was having a hard time deciding, but I figured I could just throw in a 32gb sd card if I start to run out of space. I doubt I'll actually use 16gb just for apps.

CapsLockKey said:
I'm hoping the website is wrong as I see no point to partitioning it. Isn't the GNex on Sprint 32GB? Maybe someone who has one of those can shed some light on if theirs is partitioned.
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Yeah... Epix4G posted a screenshot of the Galaxy Nexus in another thread showing a single large partition.

Now that people are taking delivery of the 32GB-model, could someone post a screenshot of the Storage screen?

aznmode said:
just got mine woot. Heres the memory. I guess its not split?
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Deep Grey or White Color the best?

I am Confused and hesitant which color to purchase, I saw the white version in shops here cause it's only the color available till now, but don't like it's interfere with silver bezel, deep grey in youtube looking gorgeous but not see it in my hand and want to take one online, for those who has available in there country, is grey looking better ?

lol where's the option of 32 gb wifi only white in the poll?

omnia1994 said:
lol where's the option of 32 gb wifi only white in the poll?
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Samsung Announced that there are only Deep Grey Version for 32 GB Storage device:laugh:
Check the beginning of this video
http://support-us.samsung.com/spsn/detail.jsp?ctg_id=1280&sub_ctg_id=&live_id=&video_id=1785174479001

White will make ur device looks 'big'.
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Samsung Announced that there are only Deep Grey Version for 32 GB Storage device:laugh:
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Therefore, Deep Grey is the best.
And, for those of us with Unlimited Data on our rooted phones, WiFi only is best.

I like the white 16gb. Just pop in a 64/32GB memory card and your good to go

A grey, 32gig with a 64gig card in it (like mine, for example ) is even gooder to go. And, really, compared to other tablets, an extra 16gig internal for $50 is a bargain.
Plus, don't forget that without rooting, you can only install apps to the internal memory, so 16gig could become a problem.

stuartv said:
A grey, 32gig with a 64gig card in it (like mine, for example ) is even gooder to go. And, really, compared to other tablets, an extra 16gig internal for $50 is a bargain.
Plus, don't forget that without rooting, you can only install apps to the internal memory, so 16gig could become a problem.
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I love the white color to it though. If white had came in a 32gb I would have been all over it. i Guess the limited storage space is a sacrifice I'll have to make. If I find it becomes a problem I might consider exchanging for a grey 32g

Newegg is selling all these awsome decal skins.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA15R0E02748
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With these doesn't matter what color you get. There are many designs available.
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lm that guy said:
I like the white 16gb. Just pop in a 64/32GB memory card and your good to go
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You do know that the external memory card is good only for storing pics,videos,datas,doc etc. but most apps if not all specially games which eats a lot of space can only be installed on your pecious internal storage so having at least 32gb. Internal is a plus.

mywingtophone said:
You do know that the external memory card is good only for storing pics,videos,datas,doc etc. but most apps if not all specially games which eats a lot of space can only be installed on your pecious internal storage so having at least 32gb. Internal is a plus.
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oh yes, i did some research before buying. I remember switching back and forth between the 32 grey and 16 white on amazon.com for nearly 2 hours until i made up my mind haha, but what helped me choose was this thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1857391 this script swaps your internal and memory card space for app data storage. I haven't tested this yet though, but i hope it works.

lm that guy said:
oh yes, i did some research before buying. I remember switching back and forth between the 32 grey and 16 white on amazon.com for nearly 2 hours until i made up my mind haha, but what helped me choose was this thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=185739. this script swaps your internal and memory card space for app data storage. I haven't tested this yet though, but i hope it works.
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Link does not work.........

who needs more than 16 gigs of app only storage? i have quite a few apps, as many as i need and that is a lot, and i only use 4.1 gb of storage. i cant imagine that someone would need a little under 4 times the amount of apps i have. pop in a 16 or 32 gb sd card to store pics, music, movies and other data on and you will be fine

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Sorry link works now

whoa... results not what I expected.

To be honest, white looks cleaner and better on video and in pictures; however, when I went to the stores to check it out, deep gray also looked okay (I think I just prefer gunmetal gray over .. the blueish gray that it is) and kind of pretty as well.

wmka2000 said:
Samsung Announced that there are only Deep Grey Version for 32 GB Storage device:laugh:
Check the beginning of this video
http://support-us.samsung.com/spsn/detail.jsp?ctg_id=1280&sub_ctg_id=&live_id=&video_id=1785174479001
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Funny, I had the option of a grey or white 32gb 3g note 10.1.... That was here in Australia...
mbucks911 said:
who needs more than 16 gigs of app only storage? i have quite a few apps, as many as i need and that is a lot, and i only use 4.1 gb of storage. i cant imagine that someone would need a little under 4 times the amount of apps i have. pop in a 16 or 32 gb sd card to store pics, music, movies and other data on and you will be fine
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I have the 32gb tab with a 64gb sd card... I have less than 5gb remaining on both internal and external storage... Trust me, if you have it, you'll use it...

I think he meant that there is no white wi-fi 32gb version.

You'll most likely put it in a case anyway so who cares?
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Q for 64gb card users

Today I noticed the sd card area of my phone was heating up. Checked fauxclock and all cores were steady at 1.2ghz. Unmounted card, and everything was fine. I thought it may have been a kernel issue as this happened once before with my old 16gb card, but a reboot solved it that time.
I'm on mint jelly v2.1, faux 005m and using SanDisk 64gb class 10 uhs1 formatted to fat32 using a program from download.com I found in another thread on xda (yes I did my research on this before posting).
Is anyone else noticing stuff like this? If not how did you format your card, what settings did you use to format it?
I've read that Samsung's tend to reject SanDisk cards, but this seems like more of a bad format or maybe corrupt file on the card. I pulled a log, and when the card is mounted the log becomes inundated with hits from facial recognition(face unlock perhaps?)
Here's the log:
http://db.tt/bUIeHk7Z
TIA
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Have you moved any apps to SD? That will cause the card to be powered all the time.
I am running 64gb sandisk card on stock rom with no issues.

Not a one
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So I reformatted, loaded stuff back up, and got the same issue. I did learn it only happens when there are pictures on the SD card though. If I take the pics off, and just leave data like backups, the cores peg for a few seconds then shut down like normal. WTF is going on here. Is face unlock trying to scan all 8 gigs of pictures for faces? lost...

One or more of your picture files is probably corrupted.
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Copy your data off the card, reformat it, and see if it reoccurs. If it doesn't, then try putting your data back on one folder at a time with Camera photos last and see what happens.
If there are _A_LOT_ of photos Gallery could be creating and saving thumbnails in the background.

Let me guess, you have a Sandisk 64gb card

I did a full format using the gui formatter last night. Loaded it back up, same thing. Took all the pics off, and it's all better. So I took my old 16gb card and put it in, which I haven't touched and it worked fine when I took it out, and the cores pegged again. So I said maybe it's the rom... Even though both cards worked fine with pics up until I made the op. I factory reset it, still the same! Everywhere I go with my troubleshooting I hit a brick wall.
I'm entertaining the gallery thumbnail idea, but that to me doesn't explain the overflow of facial recognition in the log.
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Froze gallery and inserted old card. We may be on to something.
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Let me guess, you have a Sandisk 64gb card
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Please reference the OP.
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Please reference the OP.
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Thats your problem...i mentioned this in my thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2329797

I'm gonna try it one more time tonight. Might end up returning it for a Samsung card though.
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I have a 64gb Sandsik UDA-1 in mine. Been almost a month now fine. Althought I've reformatted it myself willingly a few times. (exFat > ext4 > exFat > Fat32) depending on the ROM i was using and whether they support exFat or EXT4.

It seems they are very hit and miss. This is very frustrating. But my 16gb card is a transcend, and like I said I had the same problem with it...
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Ive had the same Sandisk 64gb, bought it a year ago and used it since my GS3. No problems. Sometimes the gallery likes to take a while to rescan. But no heat
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SO.... I unfroze the gallery, stuck my old sd card back in chock full of pics and videos. It warmed up quite nicely. Cores stated steady at 1.242 for a good 20 minutes and burnt 15 percent of my battery. Then all the sudden... Nothing. Core 1 idling at 384. Maybe I made a big deal about nothing, sort of. I've never encountered such an issue... Maybe someone who knows more than I can explain why the phone feels the need to scan every file with reckless abandon when a card is inserted.
I'll transfer everything back to my SanDisk 64gb and report back if anyone gives a crap
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