[Q] New to Nexus 4 - Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

So I was recently on the myTouch 4G. and then I switched to the Nexus 4 2 days ago. I'm not sure if i'm just stupid or what, I don't know what to do with my Nexus 4. Lol. Should I root it? If so, what rom should I use? So many questions....

mrjoeltan said:
So I was recently on the myTouch 4G. and then I switched to the Nexus 4 2 days ago. I'm not sure if i'm just stupid or what, I don't know what to do with my Nexus 4. Lol. Should I root it? If so, what rom should I use? So many questions....
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Well you can always give it to me. Lol.
Why don't you play with it for a few days and see how it is. After that you can decide if you want to root it and install Roms and kernels on to it. You dont have to root it but it's nice to know you can. If you want to enjoy your phone with the freedom to install customizable Roms and kernels, then go for it. There are several great kernels like motley and Franco. Both offer performance and outstanding battery life. We also have great Roms like Paranoidandroid and Cyangenmod 10.1.
So anyways, play with it for a while and then decide what you want. No need to rush.
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The phone is perfect out of the box, you only need to worry about all that stuff if you're the kind of person who needs to constantly fiddle with every setting
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I'm also curious. I got mine on Friday and I'm wondering what the best case and screen protectors are. Also, what are some of the neat features and/or "easter eggs" of pure 4.2?
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mrjoeltan said:
So I was recently on the myTouch 4G. and then I switched to the Nexus 4 2 days ago. I'm not sure if i'm just stupid or what, I don't know what to do with my Nexus 4. Lol. Should I root it? If so, what rom should I use? So many questions....
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I personally think that if you have to ask that question then you're safer not rooting and just leaving it as it is. As someone said, it's near perfect when stock.
coolguyjosh said:
I'm also curious. I got mine on Friday and I'm wondering what the best case and screen protectors are. Also, what are some of the neat features and/or "easter eggs" of pure 4.2?
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I don't know about screen protectors but the case which I'm waiting for is the Rearth Ringke Fusion case, it's not the most protective but it looks great and prevents scratches to the back glass. As for the features of 4.2, just Google them and I'm sure you'll find tonnes of info.

Regardless of whether or not you intend to root this phone you should consider unlocking the bootloader. If you decide to root later on and haven't done so, all your data will be wiped and you'll be forced to start again from scratch.
Having said that, this is one of the few devices where there is little reason to root. You do get some added functionality from stuff like CyanogenMod and AOKP though.
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Nexus S vs Galaxy S

hi there,
i know there are a lot of users here for Nexus S, but i'm still considering my options between a Nexus S and a Galaxy S, both under 300 euros.
what would you recommend?
thanks a lot.
Probably Nexus S. It gets all the android updates first, but the galaxy S has 720p recording. Otherwise they're identical pretty much.
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Remember CyanogenMod is now available for both units. Ota is the past. You won't needed if CyanogenMod keeps supporting it.
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edited after doing a little googling
after searching the internet I have found these links:
1. http://www.shaswatpatel.com/google-nexus-s-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-which-one-should-you-choose/
2. http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/37148/samsung-nexus-s-vs-samsung-galaxy-s
3. http://www.brighthub.com/mobile/samsung/articles/100386.aspx
and the best conclusion I found here:
4. http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s/234858-galaxy-s-nexus-s.html
"to be honest, it boils down to 2 things.
1. Do you want massive amounts of memory? Nexus has 16gb max,Galaxy has up to 48gb max
2. Do you want faster updates? [then go for Nexus]
The rest is just little things that aren't massively important "
sl8125 said:
Remember CyanogenMod is now available for both units. Ota is the past. You won't needed if CyanogenMod keeps supporting it.
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OTA are more stable.. I used to run CM on my EVO/N1 (don't even bother with the NS) but it was never as rock solid as a stable Google release. Experienced this both on the NS4G and N1.
Not too bad on Nexus devices but its flaky on devices that don't have completely compatible kernels.
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sl8125 said:
Remember CyanogenMod is now available for both units. Ota is the past. You won't needed if CyanogenMod keeps supporting it.
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You do need OTAs. The Manufacturer has to supply the source for the kernel for that new Android OS. Otherwise, you'll be stuck using the stock kernel which will limit development.
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You do need OTAs. The Manufacturer has to supply the source for the kernel for that new Android OS. Otherwise, you'll be stuck using the stock kernel which will limit development.
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Ota will be always be floating around. Once it's out there will be custom roms too.
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Ota will be always be floating around. Once it's out there will be custom roms too.
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I'm not talking about that OTA of stock ROMs. I'm talking about the KERNEL SOURCE of that Android version. If you're using a Samsung phone and a internal leak is made for Samsung Galaxy S for Android 2.5 (making it up). You can make a custom ROM out of it but you CANNOT use the previous kernel source because it will be incompatible. You will be forced to use the stock kernel.
Samsung will not release source for pre-released kernels.
Nexus s for sure. I have both and have to say. The specs are almost identical but nexus s is updated regularly where the galaxy s doesnt recieve any...
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I have both, l like NS more than GS.
More responsive.
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I have both
I have a Galaxy S and a Nexus S. My Nexus S is not the AMOLED variety despite being told it was when I was purchasing it... Readon to find out why I kept it anyways.
The AMOLED screen experiences pixel wear or burnout or whatever you want to call it. After owning the Galaxy S for several months, I read about a keypad code that could generate different color screens for testing pixel coloration. That is when I saw my battery symbol and some other screen elements had an image burned in. It was very light and a custom launcher that allowed the main screen to rotate freely solved the issue of burn-in but apparently, the pixels still fade, just not in an obvious pattern now.
The Nexus S does not come with a SD card slot. At first, I thought that would be an issue... But I only really needed five gigs or so of music at any one time anyways.
Meh. Both phones are great. I prefer my Nexus S because I can unlock it if I want to and I really appreciate the slight curve to the glass. I gave my Galaxy S away after being satisfied with my Nexus S. You should not end up regretting either phone.
Nexus has camera flash
Galaxy has FM radio.
will Nexus S support and receive a great OS upgrade like, let's say (hypotheticaly) a 2.5 or 3.0 android ?
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will Nexus S support and receive a great OS upgrade like, let's say (hypotheticaly) a 2.5 or 3.0 android ?
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yes its a nexus phone.
I have a nexus s and I am very happy with it. Its definetly classier (looks and feels) than the gs. However things I think people have forgotten to mention is that the galaxy s (as I understand) has a video out (through the headphone jack?) Which us something u wish I could do. However saying that I wouldn't swap it for the gs! Also a smaller thing is that the NS has NFC, although I still haven't used it it seems it could come to shops in the very near future
Hope that helps good luck with the choice and infact I honestly think that you will be completely happy with either choice!
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Anyone from ATT s3?

Hey guys, I have an att galaxy s3. I'm using an aokp ROM on it, and I really like it. I'd like a phone with a slightly smaller screen though, and for the price of the nexus 4 I think I need to get one. Is anybody else coming from an att s3 and what are some of your reasons?
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geoldr said:
Hey guys, I have an att galaxy s3. I'm using an aokp ROM on it, and I really like it. I'd like a phone with a slightly smaller screen though, and for the price of the nexus 4 I think I need to get one. Is anybody else coming from an att s3 and what are some of your reasons?
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You do know the screen size difference is 0.1"? I guess that qualifies as slightly smaller
thank youu
Yes .1 smaller and on screen keys make it smaller too.
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Going from a S3 to a Nexus 4? Same size phone, IPS screen. Don't know why you would bother unless it's going to be a beater.
From the looks of it the phone looks much more elegant than the s3. I'm tired of having my phone creak all the time. And official Google sounds really nice especially after using my nexus 7. Aokp Roms on s3 are nice but mine all have issues
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I'm coming from a T-Mobile S3. I don't think I will notice that much of a difference in screen size. The AOSP/AOKP roms were always a little buggy and had bad battery life on my S3 compared to the touchwiz roms. And since I hate TW and love vanilla Android, the Nexus 4 made a lot of sense.
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I'm coming from a T-Mobile S3. I don't think I will notice that much of a difference in screen size. The AOSP/AOKP roms were always a little buggy and had bad battery life on my S3 compared to the touchwiz roms. And since I hate TW and love vanilla Android, the Nexus 4 made a lot of sense.
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Exactly. I have bad battery life as well with aokp. Only way to fix it is by flashing kernels but I have to do that every update and its just getting way too crazy to have aokp + more than 2hr screen on time. And with aokp my phone is always so hot. Nexus 4 sounds pretty good.
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I am. My reasons why?
-Pure Google
-Quad-Core
-No more buggy ROMS
-Latest and greatest Updates
-More elegant in my taste
-More dev support
-More customization (easier bootloader to unlock, and as I said before, the dev support will be ahead of the game)
-WORLD PHONE. Going to be graduating this year.. If I travel for college or etc, my phone is always reliable.
I'm coming from a Sprint S3. Ideally, I think I'd like to try another S3 of the GSM variant. But I will probably be getting the new Nexus.
I'm seriously debating it myself. I love my nexus 7...my first Nexus device. I love my S3...just not sure what the real benefits would be. I love AOKP but putting that on the nexus, wouldnt that be defeating the purpose?
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Warrior1975 said:
I'm seriously debating it myself. I love my nexus 7...my first Nexus device. I love my S3...just not sure what the real benefits would be. I love AOKP but putting that on the nexus, wouldnt that be defeating the purpose?
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Basically, I am in the exact same situation as you.
I'm coming from my unlocked ATT s3 ass well. Reason? I love aosp.
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I'm pretty sure I'm going to stay with the s3...just because of the non removable battery. Maybe I wouldn't need to switch batteries but my battery life blows on my S3.
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Warrior1975 said:
I'm pretty sure I'm going to stay with the s3...just because of the non removable battery. Maybe I wouldn't need to switch batteries but my battery life blows on my S3.
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Same. Battery sucks on my S3. But I think that is due to bad LTE signal in my area.
Its so tempting. I love my Nexus 7...although that's different. I don't know. I will have to seriously sleep on this...for a few days. I love my S3...so if its not broke why fix it?
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Couldn't you guys just sell your S3 for roughly the same price as a Nexus 4? Local listings where I'm at seem to be in the $300 range. Of course you'd lose out on LTE, but hey.
Definitely could. Just not sure I want to yet.
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[Q] Nexus 4 waiting for me at home!!

Hey guys any advice on what to do first?
Root or not root? Custom ROM or stock?
or just any suggestions in general?
Ballistics case should be here next week too.
Thnx
Search...posted many times.
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Immediately unlock bootloader so you don't have to wipe all your stuff when you finally decide to root, or flash a custom ROM. At least I wish I did.
negroplasty said:
Immediately unlock bootloader so you don't have to wipe all your stuff when you finally decide to root, or flash a custom ROM. At least I wish I did.
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This ^^^^^
My N4 was delivered yesterday. Running CM right now and it's fantastic. Enjoy your new device!
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Mine was delivered tonight. I couldn't wait to get off work to see it lol.
Coming from a s3 and I love this phone.
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Mine was delivered tonight. I couldn't wait to get off work to see it lol.
Coming from a s3 and I love this phone.
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I was a little unsure at first whether out not I would miss my s3. Six weeks later I don't.
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Stock. Unless you are a flash junkie, stock is amazing. CM10 is nice I'm sure, but stock just plain works and is fast as hell. I'm still stock on n7 even. Google knows what they are doing (for the most part)
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RasBean Jelly. =)
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negroplasty said:
Immediately unlock bootloader so you don't have to wipe all your stuff when you finally decide to root, or flash a custom ROM. At least I wish I did.
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this.
you can unlock the bootlader first. then proceed with your research. enjoy the phone buddy
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Thanks guys, I'm really loving phone.
I was thinking of keeping it stock, just like my N7, but definitely I'm going to follow your advice and unlock bootloader, I know I'm not gonna stay too long without root for sure.
Thnx again!

Should I buy one?

I am thinking about buying the n4. I love my n7 but reading some of these forum's it seems quite a few people are unhappy with it. Oh what to do?
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joeZONE82 said:
I am thinking about buying the n4. I love my n7 but reading some of these forum's it seems quite a few people are unhappy with it. Oh what to do?
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Buy one.. This phone blows the n7 away
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I think people only post if there is a problem with the phone...
That why you only see post about people being unhappy with it..
Most of the time, people wouldn't post anything about the phone if it's working fine/happy with it..
But then you do get the occasionally positive/*this phone rocks* reviews :victory:
I end up selling my N7 after awhile I got my Nexus 4... cause is such pain getting game saves around.. !
Getting mine today :good: First things to do: unlock it, flash recovery and SU and off course Franco kernel. Had it before and liked the phone, the only bad thing about this phone is the camera quality and the washed out colors out of the box.
capcanuck said:
Buy one.. This phone blows the n7 away
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No it doesnt. Lol
I have both and I love them!
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Right on, I need a phone and not just any phone..had the s3 unlocked rooted, loved it. Sold it lol. Was thinking about note 2 but don't really care for the gimmicks and the price! Kinda new at whats what for tech but refuse Togo back to ifoam or bb. Android rules. Caught wind of the n4 on n7 forums n dig the specs, just need to make sure ppl that have it love it. Reading a few negative threads I had to ask cuz it looks like a badass phone.
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joeZONE82 said:
Right on, I need a phone and not just any phone..had the s3 unlocked rooted, loved it. Sold it lol. Was thinking about note 2 but don't really care for the gimmicks and the price! Kinda new at whats what for tech but refuse Togo back to ifoam or bb. Android rules. Caught wind of the n4 on n7 forums n dig the specs, just need to make sure ppl that have it love it. Reading a few negative threads I had to ask cuz it looks like a badass phone.
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You will not regret buying this phone, and a custom kernel should increase batterylife quite a lot. And you can set the colors to your own liking
As far as reports of problems go, there are just as many in the Nexus 7 forums. People with issues are simply more vocal.
I for one am finding this phone to be a perfect companion to my Nexus 7 and it's also as near to a flawless specimen as I could have hoped.
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Okay I been reading up more on this phone and I can't find a good reason not to get it. Price is great specs are solid and the support and development are going to be off the charts. I'd like to know what case to get, I have been using otter box on past phones but wanna try something different.
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joeZONE82 said:
Okay I been reading up more on this phone and I can't find a good reason not to get it. Price is great specs are solid and the support and development are going to be off the charts. I'd like to know what case to get, I have been using otter box on past phones but wanna try something different.
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To be fair, most of the people in this forum are nexus 4 fanatics, so our opinions may be a bit biased
That being said, this phone is AWESOME.
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joeZONE82 said:
Okay I been reading up more on this phone and I can't find a good reason not to get it. Price is great specs are solid and the support and development are going to be off the charts. I'd like to know what case to get, I have been using otter box on past phones but wanna try something different.
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I would honestly suggest a soft gel/rubber case.. Hard cases ruined my hox, too much pressure to get them on, ended up breaking some ribbon on the board, so the screen won't turn on unless the housing is partially removed.. Which is how I have to use this phone until I fix it or order a nexus 4 if its not fixable for free/really cheap.
The only thing I'm losing is LTE. Which I don't use/rarely use as it is
You should if you can get it for $350 at Play Store. I'm happy with it, very good price for a good phone. If you can live with no LTE, non removable battery, no external SD card, somewhat low/tinny speaker output volume and just average camera quality you'll be happy with it.
I would buy it again. The price is unbeatable. If you can live with the lack of OTG (Which may be fixed eventually) and camera quality then you'll love it. I think the washed out colours thing is due to peoples love for very saturated screens. As I said in another thread, take a photo of something, look at it on the screen, if it's brightly covered in bloom, then it's over saturated. Just because the Nexus 4 is less saturated doesn't mean it's washed out.
All right just ordered it from Google. Can't wait! 388.00 total but that's cheap compared to the other ones I've had bought. Not to worried about the camera I have a camera for that. I'm still not sure on what case but thinking gel case something that won't scratch it n can clean up n not bulky. I don't know what plan to go with being in northern Mn there's not too many options.
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I have been driving myself nuts with this question. I have a note 2 now that I love but I am also thinking about getting a nexus so I can have something to play around with mods and getting into developing. I have At&t so swapping the simple won't be a problem.
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Well I got mine about a month ago and I love it. Even more so than my s3. Not worried about lte cuz it's not around here anyway and it does lack storage but I been using drop box. I haven't rooted it yet tho I am fine with it the way it is. No issues with it at all. Beautiful phone with great features and price. They got it right with this one. Love it.
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joeZONE82 said:
Well I got mine about a month ago and I love it. Even more so than my s3. Not worried about lte cuz it's not around here anyway and it does lack storage but I been using drop box. I haven't rooted it yet tho I am fine with it the way it is. No issues with it at all. Beautiful phone with great features and price. They got it right with this one. Love it.
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You can still have LTE just flash older radio when or if it comes to your area.
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Noooooooo
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If you can live with a phone that has 3 hours of screen time, meaning that you don´t go from 8am to 8pm, meaning that you have to do 2 full charges every day, go for it
i´m returning mine
I recently got it and I absolutely love it.
Things to consider though:
1. no SD CARD, got the 16GB version and im still struggling with space.
2. battery life is below average, I'm coming from a Motorola defy which had much better battery life.

First time I don't feel like getting a new phone...

I usually switch phones every 4 months but since I got my nexus 4 I do not feel like getting rid of the nexus 4. Anybody else feels the same out there?
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I do too. Except for the limited battery capacity, the phone feels great. You get to do what you like with it, no oem restrictions and always the first to get software updates.
I too am that type of person but I'm really enjoying the nexus!
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Me too! I plan on getting a new one in 2-3 years but only if there'll be another amazing Nexus available
Pretty much this. I'll probably just stick with whatever the latest Nexus is.
Unfortunately I don't feel the same way. This HTC One is calling me and I must get it.
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shook187 said:
Unfortunately I don't feel the same way. This HTC One is calling me and I must get it.
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Anything special about it? I read it has many production flaws + software will be two versions behind within 2 months when klp comes out. Still great phone though!
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LTavaress said:
Me too! I plan on getting a new one in 2-3 years but only if there'll be another amazing Nexus available
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Lol 3 years waiting for me would be a lot...
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Anything special about it? I read it has many production flaws + software will be two versions behind within 2 months when klp comes out. Still great phone though!
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Let's see better battery life a 1080 p screen stereo front speakers a quality built to kill for.
Should I go on?
shook187 said:
Let's see better battery life a 1080 p screen stereo front speakers a quality built to kill for.
Should I go on?
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Please don't. I would run and go get it if I was you
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Please don't. I would run and go get it if I was you
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I was drooling over the HTC One when I first heard of it. But then I thought "Mine is better cuz it's cheaper, *****es".
(I still secretly love the HTC One tho. Please don't tell it to myself or I'll regret buying the N4)
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I was drooling over the HTC One when I first heard of it. But then I thought "Mine is better cuz it's cheaper, *****es".
(I still secretly love the HTC One tho. Please don't tell it to myself or I'll regret buying the N4)
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i do... abit for the Z
The Nexus 4 is the perfect phone for me, no doubt about it.
However, being the tech geek that I am there is no doubt in my mind I will grab the Nexus 5 about 6 months after it's released (I don't want to deal with launch-day drama and hardware issues which always seem to plague the initial Nexus releases)
I can say, however, that I will only be buying Nexus phones from now on since they have finally stepped up to the plate with decent hardware and specs. The Gnex was a massive disappointment to me, I sold it within four months of owning it.
Same for me. I had the one x for the last year but it has started giving me trouble by not recognizing the Sim card was in the slot.
I was torn between the nexus 4. HTC one and the galaxy s4.
After much deliberation I went with the nexus 4 and I'm so glad I did.
I owned the nexus one before so I am already accustomed to the nexus experience.
I honestly didn't expect the 4 to be so much better than the one x. Snappier. Better gaming performance and longer battery life.
I'm so glad I switched
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I don't know about you guys but I want a Motorola Razr.
shook187 said:
Unfortunately I don't feel the same way. This HTC One is calling me and I must get it.
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Good luck with HTC. I just sold my HTC OneX+ after 4 months only. Just can't stand anything except stock Android.
Same here, N4 is perfect for my needs.
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I was drooling over the HTC One when I first heard of it. But then I thought "Mine is better cuz it's cheaper, *****es".
(I still secretly love the HTC One tho. Please don't tell it to myself or I'll regret buying the N4)
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Thank you, you just made me and my brother laugh pretty hard. In happy with my phone for now I'm waiting for the x or the next nexus
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I've upgraded from a BB Curve 3G, So as you could imaging this phone is one hell of a upgrade, So I won't be looking for a new phone anytime soon. Well happy with my Nexus 4
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