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You look at HTC forums and you see Sense 3 ROMS for the Desire or Desire Z or pretty much any HTC phone. Similarly when Sense 2.1 was new it was already ported onto the Desire. So why hasnt the UI of Galaxy S2 or S1 been ported to Nexus S? I'm not talking about just theming, but a proper port of Touch Wiz
ammarmalik said:
You look at HTC forums and you see Sense 3 ROMS for the Desire or Desire Z or pretty much any HTC phone. Similarly when Sense 2.1 was new it was already ported onto the Desire. So why hasnt the UI of Galaxy S2 or S1 been ported to Nexus S? I'm not talking about just theming, but a proper port of Touch Wiz
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Because TouchWiz is closed-source and no developer wants to put their time and effort into porting TouchWiz? It's very difficult to port a framework all from scratch.
The best thing you could do to come close to TouchWiz is to use the TouchWiz launcher which may be found in the Themes section of NS.
isnt HTC sense also close sourced? Atleast it was in the Desire HD era
ammarmalik said:
isnt HTC sense also close sourced? Atleast it was in the Desire HD era
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Yes. I never said it was impossible to do.
Because TouchWiz is closed-source and no developer wants to put their time and effort into porting TouchWiz? It's very difficult to port a framework all from scratch.
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yes I can imagine it would be difficult. But I also think there's something more to it. Sense UI 3.0 was ported to Desire even before the first Sense 3 phone was officially out. So either its really easy to port Sense UI or overly difficult to port touch wiz. But its just strange no one has given it a go. Heck there's a Sense 3 ROM for Nexus S
ammarmalik said:
yes I can imagine it would be difficult. But I also think there's something more to it. Sense UI 3.0 was ported to Desire even before the first Sense 3 phone was officially out. So either its really easy to port Sense UI or overly difficult to port touch wiz. But its just strange no one has given it a go. Heck there's a Sense 3 ROM for Nexus S
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This is not the Desire, Desire Z or whatever phone you think it is.
The Sense 3.0 ROM is not a fully functional ROM. A lot of functionality is incomplete and it is not a "daily driver" ROM whatsoever. A lot of custom kernels also don't support the ROM.
Also, the ROM hasn't been updated for a long time now. It has been on a long hiatus since to the IMEI renaming problem that has caused bricks on people's phones. Not wanting to reproduce the talk about that but that's what happened.
The Nexus S is a pure Google device. If TouchWiz was going to be the deal breaker, you should of gone with Galaxy S2 or Galaxy S series.
Talking is easy. Doing it on the other hand is another problem.
Would like to see if anyone has a good working port for ics
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As soon as someone has a working port of ICS, I'd imagine it would be the busiest thread in the development sub-forum. So keep an eye out there.
-Nipqer
Settle down. Source code isn't even out yet. And that will probably be November 17 at the earliest since that is the release date of the European Galaxy Nexus. Traditionally, code had been released a couple weeks after a nexus phone. Expect early December.
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Love the write-up posted here...
http://www.willowtreeapps.com/blog/...s-on-ice-cream-sandwich-and-the-galaxy-nexus/
Thank you just excited for the rom
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Of how much I want to see ICS on my beloved G2.. it seems the only way we'll see ICS on the G2 is through the great devs working on a port, because unfortunately according to PC World HERE HTC has the list of phones that will be getting ICS starting next year, and the G2 is no where in the line-up on getting it.
Oh well.. I was thinking about upgrading my phone to a Galaxy Nexus (32gb version).
lawalty said:
Of how much I want to see ICS on my beloved G2.. it seems the only way we'll see ICS on the G2 is through the great devs working on a port, because unfortunately according to PC World HERE HTC has the list of phones that will be getting ICS starting next year, and the G2 is no where in the line-up on getting it.
Oh well.. I was thinking about upgrading my phone to a Galaxy Nexus (32gb version).
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Why would you care if HTC is going to build 4.0 for your phone? HTC builds **SUCK**. They are polluted with a whole bunch of garbage the *looks* like AOSP, but actually is NOT. The HTC VISION is hacked more thoroughly than any other android phone available. It will NOT be a big deal to build a proper AOSP for it.
Just wait for cm 9 and its variants. The nightlies even now are getting closer to ics.
I love a new release as much as the next guy, but I kinda wish the buzz was over. I can't stop trying to give my phone an ice cream feel. And it probably only does a couple things dif. than gingerbread.
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lawalty said:
Of how much I want to see ICS on my beloved G2.. it seems the only way we'll see ICS on the G2 is through the great devs working on a port, because unfortunately according to PC World HERE HTC has the list of phones that will be getting ICS starting next year, and the G2 is no where in the line-up on getting it.
Oh well.. I was thinking about upgrading my phone to a Galaxy Nexus (32gb version).
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Well did you honestly expect HTC to upgrade our phone to ICS officially? lol...
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Why would you care if HTC is going to build 4.0 for your phone? HTC builds **SUCK**. They are polluted with a whole bunch of garbage the *looks* like AOSP, but actually is NOT. The HTC VISION is hacked more thoroughly than any other android phone available. It will NOT be a big deal to build a proper AOSP for it.
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Precisely.
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Of how much I want to see ICS on my beloved G2.. it seems the only way we'll see ICS on the G2 is through the great devs working on a port, because unfortunately according to PC World HERE HTC has the list of phones that will be getting ICS starting next year, and the G2 is no where in the line-up on getting it.
Oh well.. I was thinking about upgrading my phone to a Galaxy Nexus (32gb version).
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I find it funny that many news sites either don't mention it, or repeating it wrong.
HTC was speaking of a first wave.
There is a second wave of phones that will get ICS.
Second wave of phones are not announced until now.
Incredible S, Desire S, Desire HD and Desire Z have very good chances to be on this second list.
Can somebody explain why ICS is so much better than what I have right now? Just wondering?....
Gpu acceleration is the main reason I want it...
the list included the following devices
HTC Sensation
HTC Sensation XL
HTC Sensation XE
HTC EVO 3D
HTC EVO Design 4G
HTC Amaze 4G
HTC Rezound
HTC Vivid
don't get shocked cause u didnt see Desire HD,htc said that this is the first list for devices that will get ics,and they will keep testing all other devices to see if is it possible to have ics,and will release a new list whenever testing is complete
in my openion this is how it goes,new devices will get it first,then they will say our dhd won't get it and finally they will release it =D
I hope!!!!
So? I love Sense, but I also have a HC tablet and let me tell you- the UI (ICS has virtually the same UI as HC) is brilliant. Once CM releases a build for DHD I'm dumping Sense and start using that.
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I hope too!
Who needs official ICS with sense 2 when there's such a heaving dev community?
Well i think theyll release it for a newer phone of theirs, and the DHD/Inspire Devs will just port that release to our phones.. Lol
you guys seem to forget that XDA devs need a base to begin with, so the more bases and kernel sources HTC provides the better for us, for example before the WVGA sense 3.0 DHD/incredibleS and runny leaks all customs ports of sense 3 needed to resize the graphics which wasn't a walk in the park, equaly right now roms based on WVGA sense 3.0/3.5 are running so well because we already have Gingerbread kernel source from HTC
so yes even if we rely on custom roms we will always need a compatible base
the good news is that HTC committed to ICS on Sensation XL which is WVGA and has close specs including the same GPU/CPU and RAM as our DHD, a fully working port is almost guarranteed
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Well i think theyll release it for a newer phone of theirs, and the DHD/Inspire Devs will just port that release to our phones.. Lol
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Specifically with the Sensation XL
i wish !! D
We don´t need official ics release, we only need to wait devs to port it, and sure will be better than official one....
Thanks devs.
Theres nothing stopping HTC from upgrading the Desire HD to sensation XL performance. If we can do it at Dev level like with Android Revolution, including upping the CPU to a safe level like 1.2 Ghz, then HTC can do it. They're just being picky.
we believe in our developers
And thanks to this guy ^…Im typing this from my ICS Inspire 4G. You dh.harald, truly rock my friend
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And thanks to this guy ^…Im typing this from my ICS Inspire 4G. You dh.harald, truly rock my friend
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Same I love you! This is the best!
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I wish Desire HD it won be long for ics too
HTC devices will most likely get ics before christmas
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HTC devices will most likely get ics before christmas
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Nice.. Already my daily driver.. Kudos to all developers..
I believe, i trully believe that The genius developers in this dhd thread will satisfy me and all this dhd thread members.
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Sense is an insult to ICS stock ICS is great and I hope HTC leaves a bit of the ICS feeling
I really hope to see some ICS soon on my HD
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As the title suggest, my contract is up next week. Shd I get a Xperia S(S$318 with contract) or Optimus 4X HD(S$188! With contract) or maybe Xperia Acro S(price not sure yet, shd be similar to Xperia S)? Any suggestions is welcome
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I'd go for the Quad-core Tegra 3 Optimus 4X. But then again, its LG. :|
By all accounts LG are terrible at updating their Android phones.
I spent a week with an Xperia S and didn't like it. How about a Galaxy Nexus?
The ICS update on xperia S is terrible... sony dosn't do a good job ... acro s come with ICS (I'm right?) I think it will be good..
LG is terrible in updates ...(optimus 2X and 3D and black is still not recived the ICS update....)
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By all accounts LG are terrible at updating their Android phones.
I spent a week with an Xperia S and didn't like it. How about a Galaxy Nexus?
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The ICS update on xperia S is terrible... sony dosn't do a good job ... acro s come with ICS (I'm right?) I think it will be good..
LG is terrible in updates ...(optimus 2X and 3D and black is still not recived the ICS update....)
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But the 4X is shipped with ICS.
I did consider a galaxy nexus but in my country, Singapore only offers the 16gb version, which is simply not enough for me
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Exactly, LG did a very bad job with their 2011 lineup. That's why I am having a second thought abt getting the 4X HD...
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Is it your primary phone or secondary one?(most contract based phones are primary)
If I in your shoes, would definitely go for arco s
LG phones look great in hardware specifications but they are LG, even they have tegra 3
you know technology is doesn't downgrade...
sony will not release any quadcore this year
and probably next year will get the 2nd gen quad or whatever
sony is so late in the game..
xperia s cant even match with the speeds of s2.having a higher proc. speed
When does xperia sl come out is it this year or next anyone got the specs on that it should be a little better than xperia s ?
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It's ok found that answer of sorts http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/sony-xperia-sl-new-snaps-show-off-samey-xperia-s-sequel-50008802/
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16GB version of Google Nexus is still better that Xperia phones or LG, thrust me. Plus, you can use USB OTG. You can also consider buying Galaxy S3 if it isn't to expensive for you. Those two are currently top Android phones on the market in my opinion.
Why not just get the One XL? Beats the other phones in terms of CPU power, isn't too far off with price (depends on your plan), and you can use 4G once it gets rolled out
In my experience, LG isn't the worst in software updates (*ahem* motorola) and there's more customisability because they don't lock most of their phones at all (my O3D being a good example). However the UI is heavily customised and you might not like the LG flavour of ICS.
Xperia S looks cool, feels fast even though it has a Snapdragon S3. Sony is also usually good with software updates (the ICS update being the exception rather than the norm) and their phones are generally zippy.
Xperia Acro S... no experience with it, it's not even here yet
Still, keep your options open. If you can wait until September, wait til then. The PC show offers the best deals
This is crazy. Get the Sammy S3 or GNote. Both are way better than any of those mentioned so far. Or just wait for the GNote 2, this will be the best phone around.
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You should go with the Nexus or the GS3. You could use some cloud storage, or go with the GS3.
Thanks for all ur suggestions guys. I decided to pick up a 4X HD and give it my sis. I will probably change my phone around November now. Hopefully Xperia GX will arrive on the international market by then
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Here's my thoughts on the Sony Arco S:
I got it to use while cycling so I wouldn't have to worry if it got wet (or I used my sweaty hands). It is my secondary phone (primary is a Galaxy Note). Before this, I had an Samsung S2 and a Sony Active. This is replacing the Active.
Very solid feel slightly heavier than you would expect for its size. Screen is nice. Came with ICS (4.04) installed. It also came with a recharging base unit which is very nice. It has some software that recognizes when you drop it into the base and will launch any app that you want. It is a nice phone all around BUT I prefer my S2 as it is about the same size. However if you NEED that water resistant feature this is a great way to go. The Active worked but it was too small, this one's screen is nice sized.
RevDoug
I prefer acro S. It's have ip67 certificate
Sorry for my bad English
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XPERIA S, because is the best
Wait for the Xperia "hayabusha" LT29i
Desire HD, Galaxy S, Xperia Arc is almost the same specs.
Galaxy S and Xperia Arc has a stable version of the official CM9.
However, Desire HD does not have even the nightly version.
http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?device=ace&type=nightly
Kernel related i think.
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fis324 said:
Desire HD, Galaxy S, Xperia Arc is almost the same specs.
Galaxy S and Xperia Arc has a stable version of the official CM9.
However, Desire HD does not have even the nightly version.
http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?device=ace&type=nightly
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The key is they almost have the same specs. There will not be an official CM release for DHD untill things are working. Right now the biggest hurdle is the camera, but there are other smaller issues and tweaks to be made before they will release an official version. I am running an unnofficial CM10 build by Randomblame that I like quite a bit atm. Things feel like the are progressing pretty quickly, so I have hope we'll see a strong/stable JB build in the coming weeks.
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Desire HD, Galaxy S, Xperia Arc is almost the same specs.
Galaxy S and Xperia Arc has a stable version of the official CM9.
However, Desire HD does not have even the nightly version.
http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?device=ace&type=nightly
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They already stated that then only devices that will get an official CM build are those with ICS official updates. Without it all we will get is kang builds which are not bad at all
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They already stated that then only devices that will get an official CM build are those with ICS official updates. Without it all we will get is kang builds which are not bad at all
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But aren't Galaxy S did not have official ICS updates? Are they just pull the hardware driver from its sibling Nexus S? CMIIW
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But aren't Galaxy S did not have official ICS updates? Are they just pull the hardware driver from its sibling Nexus S? CMIIW
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Yes it is because the whole galaxy series is so close that they can make things work unlike HTC
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Desire HD is not complete even CM7
http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?device=ace&type=nightly
Sony is working with FreeXperia team, Samsung has a relationship with Cynagenmod team.
I think HTC is reluctant about the CUSTOM.
The sales of HTC fall as expected
Where is CM9 for HTC Desire HD (was running Icecoldsandwich)
If HTC are not going to continue to support this phone ... they should at least release the source code to the CM & Kang teams who continue to develop for this device.
Come on HTC lift your game!
How is it that Opensource development teams in there spare time can achieve more that the dev's who created the device????
Its they can't but xda is your best bet
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Desire HD is not complete even CM7
http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?device=ace&type=nightly
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Yes it is. Look at the stable releases. You have CM 7.2.0 which was released June 15th,
It's a shame though. I never like Vanilla Android (and CM) until ICS. HTC Sense is the reason why I always stuck to HTC phones. However, with the UI advancements in ICS and JB, I would happily drop HTC Sense. Looks like that will never come to fruition on the Desire HD though, as there won't be an official CM9 or CM10 unless we get the source code from HTC first.
HTC really are killing themselves. Once industry leaders, they are now lagging far far behind. Sort of like a 100m runner competing in a marathon (sorry, I've been watching way too much of the Olympic Games)!
fis324 said:
Desire HD, Galaxy S, Xperia Arc is almost the same specs.
Galaxy S and Xperia Arc has a stable version of the official CM9.
However, Desire HD does not have even the nightly version.
http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?device=ace&type=nightly
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becoz it was never officially released by htc
fis324 said:
Desire HD, Galaxy S, Xperia Arc is almost the same specs.
Galaxy S and Xperia Arc has a stable version of the official CM9.
However, Desire HD does not have even the nightly version.
http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?device=ace&type=nightly
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Specs mean nothing. It is all hardware, driver, kernel related. You have to remember that drivers for a lot of hard ware is not open source so they have to be built from the ground up. Without kernel source it is a lot more difficult.
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Specs mean nothing. It is all hardware, driver, kernel related. You have to remember that drivers for a lot of hard ware is not open source so they have to be built from the ground up. Without kernel source it is a lot more difficult.
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However, Xperia Arc has been updated to Android4.0, But Galaxy S hasn't been updated to Android4.0.
Why does Galaxy S have the official version of CM10? And GalaxyS is officially supported by AOKP, But DesireHD is not supported by it.
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However, Xperia Arc has been updated to Android4.0, But Galaxy S hasn't been updated to Android4.0.
Why does Galaxy S have the official version of CM10? And GalaxyS is officially supported by AOKP, But DesireHD is not supported by it.
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Because the nexus is a galaxy phone. All the galaxy phones are alot closer then HTC phones. You can take most of the stuff from the nexus and it will work on the galaxy s with only minor changes to the kernel and coding.
Also you have to remember that HTC big thing is Sense. They want every HTC running it so they are not huge supporters of AOSP.
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fis324 said:
However, Xperia Arc has been updated to Android4.0, But Galaxy S hasn't been updated to Android4.0.
Why does Galaxy S have the official version of CM10? And GalaxyS is officially supported by AOKP, But DesireHD is not supported by it.
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I can't see why you don't understand. The Galaxy S is pretty much identical to the Nexus S. They have the same CPU and GPU. So the CM team pretty much had the drivers for the Galaxy S when the Nexus S source code was released.
Thank you for your reply.
I see.
CM9 for DHD
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Because the nexus is a galaxy phone. All the galaxy phones are alot closer then HTC phones. You can take most of the stuff from the nexus and it will work on the galaxy s with only minor changes to the kernel and coding.
Also you have to remember that HTC big thing is Sense. They want every HTC running it so they are not huge supporters of AOSP.
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now that desire HD has got a fully working unofficial rom ported from incredible s, where the camera works great which was the actual reason that was stopping the CM team from building a CM9 for DHD.. cant they build one now ? :fingers-crossed:
If I am correct, you can't use a Sense kernel on a ASOP kernel. Although having the Sense kernel will help, you can't plop in a Sense kernel on a ASOP rom. If those CM10 betas get any better, then CM may start official nightlies. The main problem is all internal, how the phone manages RAM and especially using the SD Card is relatively unstable compared to a Sense Rom (most people consider it very stable but CM wants everything to be somewhat perfect and truthfully it kinda is unstable).
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If I am correct, you can't use a Sense kernel on a ASOP kernel. Although having the Sense kernel will help, you can't plop in a Sense kernel on a ASOP rom. If those CM10 betas get any better, then CM may start official nightlies. The main problem is all internal, how the phone manages RAM and especially using the SD Card is relatively unstable compared to a Sense Rom (most people consider it very stable but CM wants everything to be somewhat perfect and truthfully it kinda is unstable).
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Correct. And about the galaxy s and xperia arc, they have team hacksung and freexperia project working on every Samsung and Sony device. We HTC users have devs committed to a certain section, usually their device
Our maintainers, attn1 and kali- have both moved on. Maybe that's the problem lol
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I think Desire HD is getting too old. Using it 2 years now, however i'll keep on doing as long as it works