[Q] Screwy sensors? - Flipout and Charm General

I've just started with Android apps and having a tiny little device like this Flipout, the most obvious first app for me to try was a compass.
I tried several of the free ones, all of which worked fine on my Desire Z, but were 'screwy' at best on the Flipout.
Supposedly, the Flipout has Accelerometer, Altimeter, Digital Compass and GPS sensors, yet the compass apps not only are strangely oriented but plain don't work - They don't point North and even away from all possible interference sources just jump around.
Are Flipouts normally just screwy, or is there something I can do to fix this issue?
Thanks,
Dylan.

Also now finding the tilt mechanism is reversed, ie left & right functions only happen when I tilt the device forward and back.
Can anyone please help with this?

DylanKeyne said:
Also now finding the tilt mechanism is reversed, ie left & right functions only happen when I tilt the device forard and back.
Can anyone please help with this?
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The sensors appear to be screwed up because the default orientation of the flipout/charm is landscape whereas most other phones have portrait mode as default orientation. Hence most applications are built for portrait orientations.
Hence there although the display might be shown in portrait mode, the sensor values are obtained from the landscape orientation.
Some application detect this issue and assign sensor values appropriately but that only a small minority.
I would suggest that you use a Display Orientation Changer available on Google Play and hence force the application to run in landscape mode.
Regards
HSR

My thanks to you HSR, but alas I have no luck so far.
Are there any particular orientators you'd recommend? I've tried four different orientator apps on all available settings. None have fixed the issue and one just outright crashes.
I'm using Smart Compass and Penguin Skiing as test apps, as I know they work perfectly and precisely on my Desire Z
Is this a hardware issue?
Using the orientators seemed to change not only the screen orientation, but the sensor's as well. In short, it turned everything 90º, rather than just the bits I needed.

DylanKeyne said:
My thanks to you HSR, but alas I have no luck so far.
Are there any particular orientators you'd recommend? I've tried four different orientator apps on all available settings. None have fixed the issue and one just outright crashes.
I'm using Smart Compass and Penguin Skiing as test apps, as I know they work perfectly and precisely on my Desire Z
Is this a hardware issue?
Using the orientators seemed to change not only the screen orientation, but the sensor's as well. In short, it turned everything 90º, rather than just the bits I needed.
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Hey, try this. it seems to work for me.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28022264&highlight=orient#post28022264
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24844428&postcount=953

Nope... :crying:
I've tried that one, both the version here and the one on Google Play.
Tried two more this evening as well. No luck.
Some of them do turn the display but the sensors alter with them, so whichever way the screen is, the compass moves North 90º from where it should be and the game controls are still twisted.

From the links I posted, try the one from the forum and force the display to landscape. Try the free version of doodle jump and check if it alters properly.

Doodle Jump - Este elemento no es compatible con tu dispositivo...
Is there another that is compatible?
Really starting to regret this Flipout - Tried 4 different unlocking shops in town today and none have been successful!

DylanKeyne said:
Doodle Jump - Este elemento no es compatible con tu dispositivo...
Is there another that is compatible?
Really starting to regret this Flipout - Tried 4 different unlocking shops in town today and none have been successful!
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:s oh, try any motion sensor app which runs only in portrait mode, in forced landscape mode using the app in the 2nd link I posted.
By unlocking you mean carrier unlocking?

I tried several more with the forum orientator you linked to - Same result, I'm afraid.
The screen orients back and forth just fine, but when you change that, the tilt sensor maintains the same crossways alignment.
Sorry, yes I meant Carrier Unlock (Orange UK).
The first 3 shops came back with 8 digit codes of failure. The 4th one got a 16 digit code but it also failed to work. They're trying something else which will take 2-3 days, apparently...

DylanKeyne said:
I tried several more with the forum orientator you linked to - Same result, I'm afraid.
The screen orients back and forth just fine, but when you change that, the tilt sensor maintains the same crossways alignment.
Sorry, yes I meant Carrier Unlock (Orange UK).
The first 3 shops came back with 8 digit codes of failure. The 4th one got a 16 digit code but it also failed to work. They're trying something else which will take 2-3 days, apparently...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1376037
This is for Charm but you could try this for sim unlock.
Regarding orientation issue, have your tried with the keyboard opened and with keyboard closed.
Any difference then?
Sorry that some things I told do not work, its probably because im a moto charm user and the keyboard swivel must be invoked in different ways.

No, no difference with the phone open or closed. Tried that each time I changed something else as well.
Will try that unlock when I get back home, though.

Update - Phone is SIM unlocked. The helpful shop texted through a code that they guaranteed would work, which it clearly did.
No closer to resolving the sensor orientation issue though.
Is it just me being stupid/missing something/having this problem on the Flipout, or does anyone else have it?

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HTC Compass and Magnetic interference

Can't seem to get the compass working. Have tried the 8-gesture several times, but it just wont work.
Tried it both indoors and outdoors in open areas, but no luck.
Anyone else have this problem?
you are not doing it in the right way... try to do it in vertical way...
20mihalko said:
you are not doing it in the right way... try to do it in vertical way...
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I think I've tried it in every possible direction and orientation now.. Did it work instantly for you?
I've seen the calibration screen yesterday on Leo exhibition .. and I totally don't understand what I should do with the phone. Is it somehow better described in manual or something ?
Oh .. found this on YT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP3d00Hr14o
Now it even gives sense.
Dr.Sid said:
I've seen the calibration screen yesterday on Leo exhibition .. and I totally don't understand what I should do with the phone. Is it somehow better described in manual or something ?
Oh .. found this on YT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP3d00Hr14o
Now it even gives sense.
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Didn't work for me... I can't understand how I can possibly do that gesture wrong
The manual tells me to follow the on-screen instructions
Had the same problem but got it work with vertical gesture
I don't know how many times I have tried to get it working, but thanks to the replies to this thread I have managed to go beyond the interference-message-screen. The tip about gesturing in a vertical direction did the trick.
My sincere thanks
How come our is so slow compared to the one on the iPhone (see youtube link above)
umiss said:
How come our is so slow compared to the one on the iPhone (see youtube link above)
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It's probably just a crap application. I reckon the compass itself is better than the compass app makes it look.
gonna bump this thread a bit... I'm still having problems.. haven't gotten the compass to work since I got my HD2 in november, and I've tried quite a few different roms aswell...
Faulty device?
Anyone else have this problem?
johncmolyneux said:
It's probably just a crap application. I reckon the compass itself is better than the compass app makes it look.
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Mine is showing between 5 and 10 degrees difference for north, dependant on how much I wiggle the device beforehand.
Can't say it'd be wonderfully accurate anyway.
OP:
If you do the 8 gesture in one fluid motion that isn't too fast (say complete the motion in 3 - 4 seconds, it might work (mine did)
Gotta say I had almost given up on the compass. I had rarely gotten past the 'do a figure 8' screen, until tonight when i read the post about doing teh 8 vertically, not horizontally. Got a fix in about 3 figure 8's, and is as accurate as my Garmin GPSMap 60CSx inbuilt compass.
I'm not having problems with the compass...
sure, now and then it tells to do the eight-thing but I'm pretty having fun with it.....
rp-x1 said:
If you do the 8 gesture in one fluid motion that isn't too fast (say complete the motion in 3 - 4 seconds, it might work (mine did)
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Thank you for the tip, it worked for me too. Becuase I also had problems with the accuracy of the digital compass in the HD2, but this 8-gesture movement did the trick, and for my father's HD2 too... his compass was totally wrong, it showed 225° when the right direction was 310° (I tested it with a real, physical compass)
Have you noticed interference when pressing hardware buttons? Mine completely turn and points downwards when pressing the menu button in all compass apps and it is gradual depending on how firm you press. Seems like the buttons are interfering with the digital compass somehow. Holding down the menu button makes the needle really dance.

Did google fix the sreen problem after the upgrade?

Hi, Just wonder if you still have the screen problem (register the wrong place when click) after the upgrade.
No. You should check out the humongous thread on google support forums. Googe have now abandned even giving updates on this serious problem.
http://www.google.com/support/forum...8e&hl=en&fid=04134c63c784258e00047fdfe09ae547
p.s. no fix in ere36b either (as im running that now and still experience this problem at random)
I don't understand this issue, I just don't see it on mine at all, no matter what ROM I install ... there has to be something more to this than a simple fault across all handsets ... either select faulty ones or some other factor. Mine just works 100% as expected at all times.
That said I have had no 3G issues either, no matter what radio version I use. Perhaps I am lucky ?
I think its because people are touching the edge of the screen while pressing with the other causing it to register incorrectly
duncan888 said:
I think its because people are touching the edge of the screen while pressing with the other causing it to register incorrectly
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That is not it, there are plenty of videos that show the touchsreen misfiring while just laying on the table. Also, the way I hold my phone I am never touching the glass surface other than with the one finger doing the touching.
With regards to some people not seeing it, this issue is very random. I can go for days without noticing it and then out of the blue it would come back, most annoying when it happens while typing something.
There is another somewhat related issue with the sensor on the n1. If you download an app called multi touch paint and try to draw two parallel lines simultaneously from say top left corner down to bottom right you will see that the lines are not straight at all and full of zigzags. Only way that this sensor recognizes multiple lines properly is if you draw perfectly vertical or horizontal lines.
There is also a discussion on developer groups where game developers are pointing out this very problem of multi toch totally being screwed up where it switches axis causing your touch to register in completely the wrong place. From the comments of the android engineer it makes it seem that the sensor hardware is just like that, cheap and low quality.
Link to discussion: http://groups.google.com/group/andr...read/thread/d0aa3eea8fd9a2b8/9a8ea81133866460
duncan888 said:
I think its because people are touching the edge of the screen while pressing with the other causing it to register incorrectly
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trust me its not.
i have had this twice and has nothing to do with that.
i dont see it as a huge problem but a lot of people are getting this on a daily basis..
vas41 said:
That is not it, there are plenty of videos that show the touchsreen misfiring while just laying on the table. Also, the way I hold my phone I am never touching the glass surface other than with the one finger doing the touching.
With regards to some people not seeing it, this issue is very random. I can go for days without noticing it and then out of the blue it would come back, most anyin when it happens while typing something.
There is another somewhat related issue with the sensor on the n1. If you download an app called multi touch paint and try to draw to lines simultaneously from say top left corner down to bottom right you will see that the lines are not straight at all and full of zigzags. Onlyway that this sensor recognizes multiple lines properly is if you draw perfectly vertical or horizontal lines.
There is also a discussion on developer groups where game developers are pointing out this very problem of multi toch totally being screwed up where it switches axis causing your touch to register in completely the wrong place. Fromn the comments of the android engineer it makes it seem that the sensor hardware is just like that, cheap and low quality.
Link to discussion: http://groups.google.com/group/andr...read/thread/d0aa3eea8fd9a2b8/9a8ea81133866460
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I know, I have seen all these videos and attempted to re-create many times to test I have never seen this issue once.
Don't get me wrong I can understand it being a mare of you are having it, but I just dont ever see it.
after trolling the Google thread, it seems to me there are several scenarios everyone is lumping into "screen issues" and it's going to be hard to pin it down to one source
Mine happens (touch registers on the wrong part of the screen) when I am using certain apps (Ringdroid, Browser mostly) - a couple of things clears it up ; press the sleep button, kill all tasks if you have an app for it, or change to landscape mode. For other people it's the soft keys and/or much worse. Since mine clears up with a specific action, I tend to think it is software related.
With mine it used randomly to happen but only in the Launcher (never again since 36B). I couldn't point anywhere but if I selected any app with the trackball and opend ist everything worked fine again, also the keyboard on the launcher worked well. For me it seems that it has something to do with the launcher.

A Quasi-Solution to the Compass issue

So, I happened to accidentally launch Google Sky map and found that the map auto-rotated to the direction (due west) immediately. I thought possibly Eugene373's Vibrant9 ROM had some extra GPS mojo that no one had mentioned and I was all excited until I turned my phone to landscape and saw the bearing get all jacked. After a few seconds I realized the issue with the compass is that it is not compensating for the orientation of the screen. If you hold your device in "portrait mode" and perfectly vertical, the compass works flawlessly and fast. If you change the orientation to anything off that axis (ie turn the phone to "landscape" or rotate the phone so that it is not perfectly perpendicular to the ground), the compass gets slower and further off it's correct bearing. This would explain why occasionally I seem to have "decent" compass functionality while other times it is completely jacked up. So the good news in my mind is that this should be fixable via software, and there is an immediate work around to being able to use things that require the compass to work (hold your phone in a portrait orientation).While I prefer (as I assume most people do) to view maps, google sky maps and layar with the phone in a landscape orientation, at now I can use the apps now whereas before they were completely unusable.
If someone else figured this out, please let me know. As far as I can everyone knew the compass wasn't working but noone knew "why".
K
my compass has been fine, but i read somewhere that if you need to "recalibrate" it, you just make a swinging motion with the phone in your hand. i guess the movement is supposed to reset it or something?
i dunno. hasn't been an issue for me
It seems to be calibrated fine as long as you "hold it right" (credit to Steve Jobs for that one.... )
Nope. Even when I hold it in perfect "portrait" orientation it's really, REALLY slow to adjust to movement...even when said movement is on an axis level with the ground. You're right, though, other orientations seem to completely throw it for a loop. Laying it flat seems to work the best for me.
I can usually get it to work ok, but it's flaky and nowhere close to the performance I've seen in the compass in other, cheaper Android phones. Forget about SkyMaps...when I hold the phone pointed upward to look at stars the compass just spins to wherever it wants to.
It's not just my device, either, I've personally had 2 Vibrants that were exactly the same way, and others seem to be sharing the experience (those who know what the compass does, anyway...it has nothing to do with GPS). Calibrating helps a little, but it doesn't get it to the point of what I would consider "working well."
Well, glad it worked on mine, sorry it doesn't seem to be more universal.
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klkarlin said:
Well, glad it worked on mine, sorry it doesn't seem to be more universal.
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Just curious...after your compass "settles" and you turn 180 degrees how long does it take for the compass to settle again? How does it compare with other Android phones?

[Q] Milestone 2 Touch Keyboard malfunction for numbers

a friend brought me a CLARO milestone 2 Argentina because he was possessed, the touchscreen was a disaster only, or all day was just pressing and there was no way to stop. I got out and as he did not hesitate to put him froyo to Ginger, because I saw it was CLARO the official version, anyway, I did, it was a love, was walking well and better than before, more fluid more consistently say, a beautiful version, the touch was wrong everywhere, tried the angry birds that had the apk here and went great, all was well until I got to the keyboard to call or send sms tab not recognize the touch, that is, if vertical, closed, and I want to dial a phone number, the numbers 2,5,8 and SEND does not touch them, do not squeeze recognizes not know how to say no, but do not walk, I jump to the side, as if he had a hahahaha dome, but it does not go well. I tried putting it on its side, if you use that are not going well is horizontal, or 4, 5 and 6 ... if I want to send messages, do not walk half the virtual keys, the whole area of ​​the ghee and those around, but the rest goes as well, if I use the calculator goes all genius, if I use an application area screen goes as well ... I do not know is a very rare thing and I tried everything, I put ginger, I put another above that which I can not remember what i root CM9 unroot 10 and it turned to official ginger since in all cases I get the same ... I searched all the forums, in spanish in English do not know everywhere, and took two days and I'm going crazy over anyone not know what happened wave ... not hardware before and did not work the other apps rather the keyboard, Ideas?
Of course, if you read this far, thank you.
OFF: I put it here because I think it's firmware if a mod thinks it's wrong or what moves me know, all right. Thank you. Sry for my very poor english I_I
I had the same problem when a got my screen dirty, you may try clean it. I hope it's help...
You can uses the option to show your touch points in the development options, in CM10 has, by there you can try to find a way tô fix the problem
jonasgitz said:
I had the same problem when a got my screen dirty, you may try clean it. I hope it's help...
You can uses the option to show your touch points in the development options, in CM10 has, by there you can try to find a way tô fix the problem
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Mine also creates ghost pressing when the screen is dirty.
Plastic screen covers helps to reduce this a lot, as well as touch failures when charging.
Are you shure thats's not a hardware problem? I never had this problem even when the scree is oil by touch my face. You better check this out.

[Q] Upside down screen rotation problem

I'm sorry if there already is post about this problem, but i couldn't find anything useful so i decided to ask for myself.
The other day i bought a second hand i9505, the problem is that the screen rotates upside down. When i start any app and turn the phone sideways the screen rotates exactly 180 degrees from what it's supposed to be, which is very annoying when watching a youtube clip or taking a photo. The phone was on stock 4.4, at first i thought it was a callibration problem so i installed a stock 4.2.2, but no luck. Then i installed slimrom but still no go, tried different kernels (like 4 or 5) and still nothing.
So my question is is there any way to fix this without taking it to the shop? Like a patch or an app to fix it, and how can i see the values of the gyroscope to see if it is outputting what it's supposed to ?
v41p3r said:
I'm sorry if there already is post about this problem, but i couldn't find anything useful so i decided to ask for myself.
The other day i bought a second hand i9505, the problem is that the screen rotates upside down. When i start any app and turn the phone sideways the screen rotates exactly 180 degrees from what it's supposed to be, which is very annoying when watching a youtube clip or taking a photo. The phone was on stock 4.4, at first i thought it was a callibration problem so i installed a stock 4.2.2, but no luck. Then i installed slimrom but still no go, tried different kernels (like 4 or 5) and still nothing.
So my question is is there any way to fix this without taking it to the shop? Like a patch or an app to fix it, and how can i see the values of the gyroscope to see if it is outputting what it's supposed to ?
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As you have tried several different ROM's, presumably the error is hardware related. As you bought it as second hand, I'd bet that it was reason of sale (mechanically caused sensor(s) damages are not covered by warranty).
sorry that I could not provide more optimistic assessment.
I figured as much, but thanks anyway. So there is no app to flip the rotation ( invert it so that it is normal ) ?

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