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I read so many thread that indicate Nexus 4 poor battery performance. Therefore, I start thinking if I have the correct concept of charging a lithium
polymer battery. I don't know if the article I found correctly indicate the fact. Here is my way to charge my nexus 4 or 7
1. I never let my battery drain to zero or shut itself down. I usually charge when it's 10% or over 5% (How's your view about it? too low?)
2. I rarely fully charge my phone to 100%. I usually get it done around above 95.
3. I "turn off" the device while I'm charging. In this case, I turn off Nexus 4 and 7 when I need to charge them.
4. I rarely charge my phone overnight...( any second opinion on this?)
Any views and suggestions are all welcome. I just try to find the best way on how to "correctly" charge our nexus 4 lithium polymer battery.
Here is an article I read as an example http://buychargeall.com/cellphonebatterychargertips/
This link may help you http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=518861.
Lipo batteries do not need priming as it does not have memory.
Even though it's about Li-ion, effectively they're the same thing.
The lithium-polymer (LIPO) is a more technologically advanced version of a lithium ion (Li-ion) battery. It's electrolyte is held in a solid polymer film which is directly bonded to the lithium electrode.
Charging a drained battery will shorten the battery life. So I would recommend that you charge more frequently, than charging after the battery is low.
Just charge it however you like and don't worry about it. You'll likely have a new phone before any noticeable damage is done to your battery
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This link may help you http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=518861.
Lipo batteries do not need priming as it does not have memory.
Even though it's about Li-ion, effectively they're the same thing.
The lithium-polymer (LIPO) is a more technologically advanced version of a lithium ion (Li-ion) battery. It's electrolyte is held in a solid polymer film which is directly bonded to the lithium electrode.
Charging a drained battery will shorten the battery life. So I would recommend that you charge more frequently, than charging after the battery is low.
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Thanks I see.
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Just charge it however you like and don't worry about it. You'll likely have a new phone before any noticeable damage is done to your battery
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That's true too....but still...lol. Worry people worry a lot
xRegrets said:
This link may help you http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=518861.
Lipo batteries do not need priming as it does not have memory.
Even though it's about Li-ion, effectively they're the same thing.
The lithium-polymer (LIPO) is a more technologically advanced version of a lithium ion (Li-ion) battery. It's electrolyte is held in a solid polymer film which is directly bonded to the lithium electrode.
Charging a drained battery will shorten the battery life. So I would recommend that you charge more frequently, than charging after the battery is low.
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Sorry, I just have one more question after reading the guide...
So, it's ok to charge over night? Is it ok to always put the phone on charger?
I always charge it when below 5% juice is left. And I let it charge till it hits 100% mark. Plus I put it on charge when I got to sleep and wake up after 3 or 3.30 hours (yeah, thats how long it takes to full charge) then turn the switch off and go back to bed.
Is it ok?
I have let all my devices in the past 3 years charge continuously overnight and have never had a single problem
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Michealtbh said:
I have let all my devices in the past 3 years charge continuously overnight and have never had a single problem
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Yea same here.
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Michealtbh said:
Just charge it however you like and don't worry about it. You'll likely have a new phone before any noticeable damage is done to your battery
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This. There is nothing to worry about, other than ignoring the many myths that you can read on this subject. The battery will turn itself off way before any chance of damaging it.
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1. I never let my battery drain to zero or shut itself down. I usually charge when it's 10% or over 5% (How's your view about it? too low?)
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Because deep discharging is bad for all lithium based cells non of them allow the battery to discharge to zero, when the cells hit zero in your phone that is the empty limited deemed as safe by the manufacturer and not that the cells are depleted, conversely you cannot over charge it either, Lithium based cells have circuitry embedded in them to prevent damage. Therefore I charge and discharge my battery as i see fit to suit my needs be it over night or a quick blast.
I recently went on a trip to Belgium and it was a 14 hour ferry crossing of which most of the time the phone has no signal. Presumably my N4 was searching for a cell most of the time yet at 17 hours after unplugging it there was still 86% battery left.
People need to realise it is using the screen more than any other single activity that uses the battery, the Nexus 4 is no worse than any other similar phone with a similar battery.
The first phone i had which had a lithium battery was a Nortel 2000, this was in 1996 and i didn't give a toss how i charged that up and i didn't damage that battery, i am sure the technology had advanced shed loads since then.
How do you call people who let phones control their lives?
OP.
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How do you call people who let phones control their lives?
OP.
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Nothing here about control live by the phone. I post this only to find out the correct way to charge lithium battery.
Thanks for all the information.
I generally try not to charge my note 2 overnight. I want this battery to be healthy as long as possible, so I don't want it to sit at high voltages for too long.
Normally my note 2 is around 80 percent when I go to sleep so I don't plug it in at night, I just plug it in in the morning for an hour before going to work. It reaches 100 and then I remove it.
The times when my battery is much lower that I won't be able to charge it in the morning in the hour, I do charge it overnight.
What I've noticed is that the battery drains much slower on the days it's been on the charger overnight.
So I'm thinking that the charger will continue to raise the voltage even after it reaches 100%. Maybe someone has some other thoughts, but I just wanted to share what I've noticed so people are careful with their battery.
Hi,
Charge it yhe way you want. Don't stress on it.
But for a few tips:
Don't let the lithium-ion battery go down to critical battery levels before charge.
Don't put the battery on the refrigerator.
Don't over charge it even if it's a new battery .
Simone said:
Hi,
Charge it yhe way you want. Don't stress on it.
But for a few tips:
Don't let the lithium-ion battery go down to critical battery levels before charge.
Don't put the battery on the refrigerator.
Don't over charge it even if it's a new battery .
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So basically i can't charge the battery overnight? I don't understand the meaning of don't overcharge it.
Raging_Ken said:
So basically i can't charge the battery overnight? I don't understand the meaning of don't overcharge it.
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You can but can potentially damage the battery. It's up to you.
I'm going to disagree with you guys. The charger and the battery has overcharging protection built in. So don't speculate with overcharging overnight. In fact when the phone has stayed longer on the charger I got better battery life. Cheers
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kirilorius said:
I'm going to disagree with you guys. The charger and the battery has overcharging protection built in. So don't speculate with overcharging overnight. In fact when the phone has stayed longer on the charger I got better battery life. Cheers
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Yes, I know. So why would you charge your phone overnight? So it would stay 100% when you wake up?
I charge my phone overnight everyday.
The battery magnet would trigger the charger into trickle mode. This prevents overcharging.
Li-ion battery prefers to be charged then discharged. Contrary to hearsays, discharging it to critical levels too often would actually degrade battery life.
My Nexus one of 2 years still maintained a 84% charge because of this.
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Yes, I know. So why would you charge your phone overnight? So it would stay 100% when you wake up?
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Cause i'm using it all day till 1-2 o'clock at night and thats the only time i can charge my phone. And with the heavy usage im putting it the battery cant hold more then 15-16 hours
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The battery have both overcharging and undercharging protection.
So there is no problem charging your phone overnight, the battery will stop charging when it is full. It will then be allowed to discharge a bit and the charging cycle will resume. The fluctuations caused by this charge/discharge cycle are usually hidden by the firmware so that you only see 100% - charged.
As for undercharging, it can indeed kill batteries, but it won't happen unless you drain the battery completely *and* let it self-discharge for a few weeks.
You don't have to adopt a specific charging pattern to keep your battery in good shape, just do what's most convenient for you.
Some tips however :
- Avoid high temperatures, batteries don't like it. The fridge is actually a good place to store your batteries provided that you took the necessary steps to prevent condensation.
- Store unused Li-Ion batteries at about 50% charge. Fully charged batteries have a lower shelf life, the 50% are there to prevent self-discharge from causing undercharging.
- A full discharge-charge cycle won't make your battery healthier but it is useful to recalibrate the power gauge.
kirilorius said:
Cause i'm using it all day till 1-2 o'clock at night and thats the only time i can charge my phone. And with the heavy usage im putting it the battery cant hold more then 15-16 hours
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I see. Well, in your case it may be better.
Because during the night it gets more time to detect the proper voltage and stop.
And the battery is removable for a reason. It'll have over 80% original capacity even after 2000 discharges and it's only $20 at most to replace. No need to stress it over. Use it all you want and replace it the time comes. Leave the stressing over to the non-replaceable guys.
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BBlax said:
Because during the night it gets more time to detect the proper voltage and stop.
And the battery is removable for a reason. It'll have over 80% original capacity even after 2000 discharges and it's only $20 at most to replace. No need to stress it over. Use it all you want and replace it the time comes. Leave the stressing over to the non-replaceable guys.
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Exactly.
If said battery full unplug charger, i let the phone still connect to charger moreless 1 hour...
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Rudyansah said:
If said battery full unplug charger, i let the phone still connect to charger moreless 1 hour...
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Why anyone stresses over a $20 user replaceable part is beyond me. I think you're too used to iPhones
kebabs said:
Why anyone stresses over a $20 user replaceable part is beyond me. I think you're too used to iPhones
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I love eating kebabs. LOL :cyclops:
BBlax said:
And the battery is removable for a reason. It'll have over 80% original capacity even after 2000 discharges
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You telling me if i charge once a day, the battery will still have over 80% charge after 6 years of years? I find that hard to believe as all my previous batteries have to be replaced after 2 to 3 years of use.
That's the quote from manufacturers under ideal conditions. The only devices that I haven't threw out for that long are laptops and the battery in them are still working flawlessly and holds a reasonable charge.
Even tiny LSD batteries can have up to 1000 charges so higher capacity ones will last longer and be more durable due to the increased amount of cells. Just like how higher capacity nand will last longer than lower ones.
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It's a 30 battery. Treat it like **** and just replace it when it dies! By the time it's dead you'll be wanting a new phone anyway.
Hello guys. I've read some articles regarding Li-Ion batteries, how to take care of them. Though our device have a Li-po. (Dont know whats the diff.) I apply my Li-ion charging to our device.
I got the attitude to top it off whenever I got a chance.
I usually charge my phone 30-50% left on my battery.
I really dont try fully charge my battery. I plug it off charge whenever I wanted to. Cause partial charge is always better than to be full charge all the time.
All this was base on Li-ion, how to take care them.
What the others how do you?
Thanks!
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I charge it always from 1% (or empty) to 100%
(Maybee two exceptions in 10 months.
It should be calibrated that way all the time according to what i see in threads. But I really dont know is it wise or not.
hAllonCM10
Got my N4 15 months ago. I put it on charge, take it off the charger whenever I feel like.
No issues with the battery performance what so ever.
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Is it just me or the usb port needs to be yanked quite good to pull out the charger? seems like it's too tight. i'm using the original cable + charger
grgana said:
I charge it always from 1% (or empty) to 100%
(Maybee two exceptions in 10 months.
It should be calibrated that way all the time according to what i see in threads. But I really dont know is it wise or not.
hAllonCM10
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This is not a good idea. You should avoid completely discharging li-ion/po batteries, rather doing partial discharges.
See this link for more info: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
klvnhng said:
This is not a good idea. You should avoid completely discharging li-ion/po batteries, rather doing partial discharges.
See this link for more info: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
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android itself wont allow fully discharge.the 0% android means still have some juice. but because doing a fully discharge on a lithium based battery is not good, google implemented that auto shutdown.even the bootloader haves a check so you cant turn on it if you have really low bat.
I'm not too worried about whether I charge this way or that say but I do know a while back I watched a video explaining about these batteries. The batteries that we have are "smart" in a way by for example when it reaches 100% it doesn't keep charging it'll drop down to 99/98 and then charge back up again
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I've got a question.... I leave my phone charging overnight on the pillow next to me and use the phone in the morning still plugged in to check emails, browse news etc and only remove the charger when I'm done and going to work...
Is this good for the phone and the battery or am I better off unplugging and then recharging when low again?
My method above keeps me charged up for the day's use as otherwise I would need to charge again at work..
What do you guys think?
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As long as you are using the original Cable+Charger, you aren't harming the phone or battery at all. Technology on batteries and chargers are amazing now, especially with usb-c.
i leave my 6p the whole nights too nothing happens. Just use the original charger and cable and youll be fine.
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As long as you are using the original Cable+Charger, you aren't harming the phone or battery at all. Technology on batteries and chargers are amazing now, especially with usb-c.
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Not entirely true, see below.
mchu6am4 said:
I've got a question.... I leave my phone charging overnight on the pillow next to me and use the phone in the morning still plugged in to check emails, browse news etc and only remove the charger when I'm done and going to work...
Is this good for the phone and the battery or am I better off unplugging and then recharging when low again?
My method above keeps me charged up for the day's use as otherwise I would need to charge again at work..
What do you guys think?
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While you can't overcharge the battery, leaving it connected like that will degrade the long term life of the battery. A lithium battery shouldn't sit at peak voltage (100%) for extended periods of time. Here are a couple of really good articles:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Heisenberg said:
Not entirely true, see below.
While you can't overcharge the battery, leaving it connected like that will degrade the long term life of the battery. A lithium battery shouldn't sit at peak voltage (100%) for extended periods of time. Here are a couple of really good articles:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
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This is correct in my experience, and is one of the reasons why the battery life on laptops tends to go right to crap . . . because people just let them sit on the charger constantly. IIRC, ideally you want to let it drain to around 20%, charge to full, let it drain, etc. Never let it completely die, and long-term storage should be at around 40% charge. No one does this perfectly because it would be such a hassle but in general this is what keeps lithium-ion batteries happy.
*sits back and waits for an electrical engineer to come humiliate this peon's approximation*
cabbieBot said:
This is correct in my experience, and is one of the reasons why the battery life on laptops tends to go right to crap . . . because people just let them sit on the charger constantly. IIRC, ideally you want to let it drain to around 20%, charge to full, let it drain, etc. Never let it completely die, and long-term storage should be at around 40% charge. No one does this perfectly because it would be such a hassle but in general this is what keeps lithium-ion batteries happy.
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You're pretty much right on the money there. I think three ideal range is between 40%-80% though. Small top up changes are the best way to charge lithium batteries.
20% is too low. Charge cycles slowly degrade the battery. 80% is a good number, but failing that 100% is a better option than continually cycling it. But this is a phone we're talking about not a laptop. I would imagine cycling is what's going to happen to it in most normal usage scenarios.
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Many thanks for all the responses much appreciated.. I'll have to work out a way of not having to charge overnight as this is the only time I leave it plugged in for extended periods!
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Hello,
I am doing an experiment since few days ago. I noticed that if you disable the Fast Charging, and (most importantly) use a proper, thick 2A USB cable (I use a Kindle Fire original cable) then the battery lasts around 15-20% longer.
How to recognize that you got a proper USB charging cable ? With fast charging disabled and the battery empty, the phone should tell you that there are around 2 hours until full (instead of the usual 7 hours or so with fast charging disabled). That's when you know that you are using the proper cable. I bought a original Kindle Fire cable from Amazon and that is very solid, much thicker than the standard cable. See attached screenshot. With the standard cable this seems to be a hit and miss, you sometimes get the 2 hours message and sometimes the 7 hours message.
I repeated the experiment 3 times and each time I got significantly better battery life than before.
You may want to try it to see if it works for you.
PS: Attached is my latest battery life screenshot (APC8 firmware), which is the third charge since the experiment. 2 days 6 hours of stand-by with 5h SOT on a mix of 80% Wi-Fi, 20% 4G with nothing disabled (even Bluetooth is permanently connected to the LG smartwatch). Almost no videos played, only web page browsing which is quite demanding on battery.
Look if new software update is possible.
Yeah, I noticed that my battery life was worse when I used a ****ty 1 Ah Sony charger when I displaced the original Samsung charger. It took about 3 hours to charge it up to 100%, but then I noticed that the battery life would be worse than before. I found the original charger again, and battery life is back to being good again. I never use fast charging, unless it's in the middle of the day and I'm heading out or something.
None of the things mentioned above should (technically) have any impact on battery life once unplugged? I mean, stored electricity is stored electricity, so if someone QUALIFIED could give an explanation here, it would be cool.
Nothing new, I've always noticed that if I charge the phone with the original charger and fast charging disabled it will last much longer.
https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Kindle-Micro-USB-Cable-Tablets/dp/B006GWO5NE
This cable? Which AC adapter do you use?
None of this solutions should impact battery life Oo. Energy is energy, no matter where it comes from?!
Would be nice, if someone qualified could tell us more..
Do you have the newest android version installed?
By the way, I only charge with original charger and cable, fast charge disabled (battery life is longer?!)
Battery life depends on how well you follow charging & discharging cycle. I usually fully discharge my battery (so that phone will shut down by itself after dropping below 1% charging), then charge it fully keeping it switched off & then use it.
I always had far better battery life than most people complain about.
BTW, I also tried charging battery keeping phone switched on at 10-15% charge remaining, battery definitely performed weaker for my use.
So that confirmed my theory based on my usage over last 7 years..
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https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Kindle-Micro-USB-Cable-Tablets/dp/B006GWO5NE
This cable? Which AC adapter do you use?
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Yes, this is the exact cable I am using. A bit expensive, but for me it was the only cable that consistently worked at 2A over time.
J.Biden said:
I mean, stored electricity is stored electricity, so if someone QUALIFIED could give an explanation here, it would be cool.
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Would be nice, if someone qualified could tell us more..
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I wonder if Qnovo is qualified enough ? Their technology is employed in many charging solutions. Here is what they say:
"Add fast charging - it gets noticeably worse. It turns out that the simple way batteries are charged today causes most of the damage that leads to shorter daily battery life and reduced lifespan."
Cst79 said:
Yes, this is the exact cable I am using. A bit expensive, but for me it was the only cable that consistently worked at 2A over time.
I wonder if Qnovo is qualified enough ? Their technology is employed in many charging solutions. Here is what they say:
"Add fast charging - it gets noticeably worse. It turns out that the simple way batteries are charged today causes most of the damage that leads to shorter daily battery life and reduced lifespan."
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So you're saying that Kindle Fire cable extends battery life? Isn't 100% battery life from one cable the same as 100% battery life from another cable? Energy is energy.
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So you're saying that Kindle Fire cable extends battery life? Isn't 100% battery life from one cable the same as 100% battery life from another cable? Energy is energy.
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In no way I am saying this. I am just saying that you need a cable that reliably supports 2A charging, so the charger shows 2 hours to full instead of 7 hours to full, even with fast charging off.
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In no way I am saying this. I am just saying that you need a cable that reliably supports 2A charging, so the charger shows 2 hours to full instead of 7 hours to full, even with fast charging off.
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Ah okay. I went ahead and bought one!
It ' also the logical thing. With fast charging , the battery holds less charge than the "normal . " He just spoke in various forums of this.
Anyway , great idea.
How to maintain max battery life span (reliable source):
Perform shallow discharges. Instead of discharging to 0% all the time, lithium-ion batteries do best when you discharge them for a little bit, then charge them for a little bit. The table below, from Battery University, shows that discharges to 50% are better for your battery's long-term life than, say, small discharges to 90% or large discharges to 0% (since the 50% discharges provide the best number of cycles-to-usage ratio).
·Don't leave it fully charged. Similarly, lithium-ion batteries don't need to be charged all the way to 100%. In fact, they'd prefer not to be—so the 40%-80% rule you heard is a good guideline. When possible, keep it in that range to prolong its life as long as you can. And, if you do charge it to 100%, don't leave it plugged in. This is something most of us do, but it's another thing that will degrade your battery's health. If you need to charge it overnight, use something like the Belkin Conserve Socket to stop it from charging after it's full.
·Fully discharge it once a month. This may seem contradictory, but hear us out. While lithium-ion batteries shouldn't be discharged regularly, most modern batteries are what's known as "smart batteries", which means that they can tell you how long you have until your battery dies (e.g. "2 hours, 15 minutes remaining"). This feature can get miscalibrated after a lot of shallow discharges. So, manufacturers recommend fully discharging your battery once a month to make sure this stays accurate.
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In no way I am saying this. I am just saying that you need a cable that reliably supports 2A charging, so the charger shows 2 hours to full instead of 7 hours to full, even with fast charging off.
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But you stated that it increases battery life.
thegame2388 said:
So you're saying that Kindle Fire cable extends battery life? Isn't 100% battery life from one cable the same as 100% battery life from another cable? Energy is energy.
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What he's saying is that a slower charge equals a longer lasting battery between charges.
But maybe that doesn't apply to Li-ion batteries, according to this link here.
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What he's saying is that a slower charge equals a longer lasting battery between charges.
But maybe that doesn't apply to Li-ion batteries, according to this link here.
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You can try it for yourself (if you have an S7/Edge) and report the results here. I posted my results, I'm not an expert, I just tried this. I also tried the 7-hour slow charge (with a different charger) and it didn't work as well as the 2-hour charge. The 2 hour charge seems to work best.
Yeah, If you use fast charging the battery dies a little bit quicker. I recommend fast charging if you are in hurry.
I only use fast charge when I'm in hurry.. Nice feature! I try to charge my phone between 25-80%...
p2kin said:
Battery life depends on how well you follow charging & discharging cycle. I usually fully discharge my battery (so that phone will shut down by itself after dropping below 1% charging), then charge it fully keeping it switched off & then use it..
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Worst thing you can do for the lifespan of an Li battery.
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Worst thing you can do for the lifespan of an Li battery.
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I disagree, even though it switches off itself, it still has charge, don't go by it says 1%.. so it's not fully discharged... besides my method served a good battery life to me over the years with earlier phone models