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Would it be possible to run Windows Phone 7 on the Xoom you think. I know theJPhone part won't work. But just to see how it might look and run. Just a thought.
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Mods should delete the OP instead.
I sure hope not... eww.
Agreed.
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Windows 7 isn't supported on Tegra processors. Thats why you won't be able to install it.
i hope noone who has the ability to maybe realize that is trashing his abilities so hard.
Maybe Windows 8 as its supposed to support ARM processor instructions. Start looking for a leaked beta soon.
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Hey All,
So can I just ask why?
I mean I have a Windows Phone 7 phone as my backup/work phone (benefit of being in IT I get to not order my self a blackberry or an Iphone) and I can honestly say its a nice device and have owned 3 different generations of Zunes. Battery life is excellent and the UI is nice and clean and it works well. If I wasn't as vested as I was in android I would possibly consider making that the OS of my primary phone (which is currently a Droid X) once they have them on good old Verizon and HDMI out. That being said even good old Microsoft (who I actually really like) has said Windows Phone 7 is a phone only OS and not meant to be run on tablets. The whole design of the OS actually kind of falls apart if you imagine it on a large display since its novelty instead of having sub windows have everything on one horizontally long display, with the sub menu features essentially hidden off screen.
Now as for Windows 7, as of this point it wouldn't be possible. Windows 7 currently supports only x86 and x64 chips and google stopped supporting these processor types in android after 1.6. Which is the odd reason why some of those new dual boot android/win7 tabs all use android 1.6. So to pull off a main stream Windows OS on this tablet you will have to wait for Windows 7 Embedded (which is win 7 + mobile cpu/gpu support) or Windows 8.
Once they release an offical beta of Win 7 Embedded I have a funny feeling it will be ported to all sorts of devices
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Reading the replies for that gentleman post is like reading a rude war against someone who is just asking a very simple question in an open forum, well people you all shouldn't be that rude to him.. replying with some helping words is better than posting harsh words.. aren't you all knowing what is the meaning of being "Polite"?
may be some day..
it would be a huge undertaking to do something like this.
however, despite feelings running high and peoples obvious favour toward android i do think it would be great to be able to run Windows7 or Windows Phone 7 on the Xoom.
Take as an example the HTC HD2 - its a windows mobile device that now supports the following list of operating systems..
windows mobile ce
windows phone 7 series
android stock
android sense
linux ubuntu - kubuntu
maego
windows95-98 ( emulation )
this is simply because some very talented developers locked on to the HD2 as it was the first superphone with a big screen and big power, and it came along before Android had such devices available...
back to the XOOM - i doubt we will ever see this sort of porting wizardry on our Xooms but nothing is set in stone, if someone could create something like MAGLDR (see HD2 forums) but for the Xoom then we could all enjoy a huge range of operating system choices.
Also, we all need to be aware that for the most part devices are perfectly able to run all sorts of operating systems in theory but as they are mass produced by manufacturers the way they are today we don't get to enjoy the fully unlocked benefits that we could.
imaging buying a pc and finding it wasn't possible to install LINUX instead of Windows !! - you would take it back to the store !!
Okay so i haven't offered a solution here - but lets not stop the imagination of others providing ideas that may some day become possibilities. and lets all hope that some day we can buy tablets like we buy pc's, with the ability to be loaded with a choice os O/S solutions.
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Immature forum members.....
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Now the only device I'v see that can both run android and wp7 is HTC HD2. And I don't know why no developers want to let wp7 in other device. I've used android for 6 months and just use wp7 only 1 month. But I think the wp7 let applications more efficient. And I think if let this system in the powerful dual-core tablet can let this more strong. Now some one can let Ubuntu run in A500. And is possible to run wp7 in it?
WP7 is closed-source and would be extremely difficult to port over to this chipset, especially since there is no build of WP7 optimized for Tegra 2 yet.
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WP7 devices were being outsold by WebOS devices by almost 2:1. WebOS is officially gone due to the lack of any profit HP was able to yield from it. Why would you want to let MS infect another bit of hardware like android tablets?
WP7 on HTC is sweet...
but I don't think it's optimized for tablet usage...
waiting win8
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WP7 is closed-source and would be extremely difficult to port over to this chipset, especially since there is no build of WP7 optimized for Tegra 2 yet.
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I've already notice it, but I think nvidia want to let its chip on other OS platform. The tegra wp7 is coming soon.
You're right about that and one problem they are having with Win 7 on touch devices is that it's not designed for touch devices. Supposedly Win 8 will be, but it's not out yet.
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tedpc01 said:
You're right about that and one problem they are having with Win 7 on touch devices is that it's not designed for touch devices. Supposedly Win 8 will be, but it's not out yet.
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WP7. IS WINDOWS PHONE designed ffor touch devices.or am I missing something
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Sorry Erica, I read into it too much! lol
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do you think Windows 8 RT (ARM) could ever be ported successfully to the transformer, or even the prime or some other tablet?
i know it's not open source and that makes a HUUGE difference. so, what are the chances?
obviously it's a bit early to tell for sure, but how likely do you think?
I doubt it since it gonna come preinstalled with hardware.
http://www.techspot.com/news/48217-windows-8-editions-revealed-two-retail-one-for-arm-one-for-enterprise.html
Even if you were able to copy it to another tablet you would not be able to update it. At least legally.
Our only hope is that ms would sell it alone.
Im wondering how restricted it will be because if it runs like standard windows someone using it on a tablet could run a backup and push out an image that people on android could use.
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I very much doubt it as the WinRT code won't be open sourced so it would have to be one hell of a reverse engineering job to get it ported.
It would be like trying to get iOS ported to our TFs
I just hope splashtop or some other RDP software will have the ability to automaticly turn on all touch-features in win8 when you connect from your tablet.
Would make it a hell a lot easier to remote control your PC without keyboard and mouse.
If someone can figure out how to dump it then it is possible.
This is going back a few years & obviously Win8 whole different animal from WM6.5. I remember when it was announced that the beloved Dell Axim x51 was not going to be updated to WM6.5. Some of the devs did figure out how to make it happen. Going that route you do run into a whole host of legal issues.
In not sure why you would want to downgrade?
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Possible, but what's the point? Windows 8 RT isn't proper Windows, it's not get any apps, and has that horrible Metro user interface.
I love the metro interface. It is just so simple and smart. I would also love to use Windows 8 with a touchscreen to enable all the touch features.
Also, I think of it this way... As some person said on this thread, it is not actually Windows 8, cause you cant get out of metro. And it is a really big issue. But I mean, it is like installing Linux on your TF. You would just install it, check it out for a little while, and then switch back for android. I wouldn't actually use Linux on the Transformer. On Linux you wouldn't actually use Word or Excel on your TF. And if you had windows, same thing... you probably wouldn't use Photoshop or After Effects because you just don't need to. If you are on a mobile device, obviously the OS has to be limited only on the features that are useful on a mobile device. Photoshop would burn your TF most probably, so I don't really see the use of using the classic Windows desktop with a Transformer.
P.S. The Metro UI freaking ROCKS!
I'm going to counter and say I can't stand metro ui. At all. If I got win8 (In love with 7 atm) I'd instantly switch to desktop mode and never look at metro again.
I really hope they release a generic arm version, I want windows on my tab. It'd allow me to do so much graphically and musically, but for now,
Ubuntu xD
Windows 8 has high hardware requirement, atleast prime is needed I think for it to work
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Well, you can overclock the TF a considerable bit, my worry would be RAM usage, since Windows is a RAM hog. It's supposed to have lower Reqs than Windows 7, though.
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Well, you can overclock the TF a considerable bit, my worry would be RAM usage, since Windows is a RAM hog. It's supposed to have lower Reqs than Windows 7, though.
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the ram for this device is too low even for modified android and for browsing sites and watching flash video.
is ram not like the cheapest component?
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I made a post in another thread stating why I think it's not going to happen.
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I don't anticipate it being possible to run Win8 on the tf101.
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It's unlikely that Windows 8 ARM will be available except preinstalled on devices; unlike PCs, the installation would be different for and specific to each device. So if we assume that is the case;
Windows 8 will probably come on a device with only the drivers necessary for that specific device. You could cite space constraints on that. Why would drivers for any other device be included?
Secondly, building a kernel specifically for the transformer is not going to happen. Why? The Windows kernel is not open source. obviously current kernels we have won't help, because they are Linux.
That last point is probably the biggest reason why we won't see it happening. Not having the source severely limits what can be done.
I wouldn't get my hopes up for this.
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Windows 8 on ARM is more about breaking away from the limitations Intel has in the mobile space. It has nothing to do with compatibility. Microsoft doesn't want to lose any more licenses of Windows to Apple with the iPad (MS makes more money on every Android phone than on Windows Phone).
ARM won't run the desktop. No one cares about Windows if they can't run their old apps. It's DOA.
Windows 8 is gonna flop bigger than all the other Microsoft failures like Xbox and kinect
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"never say never"
look at the HTC HD2, a device that was shipped with WinMo 6.1, now it can run Windows Phone 7.5, Android (ICS included), Ubuntu, booting from NAND (with 2 different boot loaders written from scratch), with nearly full hardware support for everything.
When Asus releases WinRT tablets, they will reuse some of the hardware they use in Android tablets, so they will have the correct code compiled, and hackers will backport it to other tablets...
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Windows 8 is gonna flop bigger than all the other Microsoft failures like Xbox and kinect
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uhm wtf? xbox best selling game console worldwide? about 20 million kinects sold?
anyway... for win 8 I say we'll see and we'll know then.
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Windows 8 is gonna flop bigger than all the other Microsoft failures like Xbox and kinect
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Go back to doing what ever you were doing on your Mac or ipad!
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Go back to doing what ever you were doing on your Mac or ipad!
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Comon man we all know microsoft copied ipads angry birds when made xbox360!!
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Is it possible? I'd like to have it on my galaxy tab 7.7
I'm sure it would be possible.. For Microsoft.
Windows is a closed source operating system, meaning there can never be a direct port to your device. The closest someone could do is perhaps a bootloader that would allow it to run but you would still have other problems like drivers.
Not to mention the required boot security features that Windows 8 is rumored to have on the ARM version.
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Remember Microsoft said that windows 7 would not ever have a successful license hack. that happened and quite quickly at that. Give it time and the devs, specifically the black hatters, will get the security opened and then we'll have some very interesting ports.
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Awesome!
Eun-Hjzjined said:
Remember Microsoft said that windows 7 would not ever have a successful license hack. that happened and quite quickly at that. Give it time and the devs, specifically the black hatters, will get the security opened and then we'll have some very interesting ports.
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I understand that but a license hack is a whole different monster. This is taking an operating system that theoretically doesn't support the OP's device and making it work. Even if it can be made to boot, we'd still need input drivers, display drivers for it's GPU, etc.
Maybe possible if the ARM version uses a WinCE style BSP, but that's speculation I suppose.
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I suppose that they will use something similar to what they use on wp7 devices. And in that case we could see derivatives of those drivers running under arm-win8
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your biggest problem is drivers, assuming you get around the security and get it installed, you will need drivers, and traditionally, OEM built devices don't always have openly available drivers to every platform Esp, ARM devices
you would need to hope that Win RT uses some of the same hardware on its own devices, enabling us to take the drivers from those devices and install them on your own ex android device.
and given that Win RT isn't a user installable OS your looking at having to build images with the drivers available, flash it, and hope that it works!
to be honest, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Well, that is how WinCE/Embedded works and look how well it can be "ported" (if that can be said as the right word for this.) around.
A small hypothetical situation:
Someone hacks out drivers for the Galaxy Tab's components and just happens to release a version compatible with WinRT-ARM, That's fine. Someone with the WinRT Platform Builder creates an image targeting the Galaxy Tab, even better. But the problem would be getting the Galaxy Tab to actually boot something that isn't recognized by the device's inbuilt bootloader (Theoretically this could be bypassed like the Android phones that can dual-boot WM7). Only then, after you get a bootloader to actually bootstrap and start the image created will you be able to run "Windows 8 for ARM" on a Galaxy Tab.
The above situation is the only, only possible way you'd be able to get it to work.
Also, It seems even then it wouldn't work
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1466400&page=2
opps screwed up
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Is it possible? I'd like to have it on my galaxy tab 7.7
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Rumor is WOA (windows on arm) will require efi (locked boot loader).
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i am also a 7.7 user. very disappointed with honeycomb's performance so far i would love to see win8 here
what about missing windows button? it is very necessary in metro
Use custom lancher with moded windos 8
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Use custom lancher with moded windos 8
IF I HELPED PRESS THE THANKS BUTOM OR DONATE ME IN ORDER TO BUY A NEW PHONE AND CONTINUE THE DEV.
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The OP wants to install Windows 8 on his tablet, not a custom launcher. Although if you want the metro experience, a Launcher like Launcher7 or such would probably be the best choice.
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Rumor is WOA (windows on arm) will require efi (locked boot loader).
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Microsoft stopped calling it WOA a while back, they now call it WinRT.
And EFI (or UEFI to be precise) doesn't imply boot signature checking, rather it is a next generation bootstrap that replaces the long dated PC BIOS with many improvements. My current PC does an EFI boot, and there is no signature checking involved.
Rather, in order to have signature checking, EFI is a requirement. (Signature checking is also a requirement to run the x86 version of Windows 8 OEM channel license, by the way.)
But that is only one among many problems (and not the hardest one, BTW) that will prevent you from running WinRT on non Microsoft approved ARM systems. The biggest problem will be creating a driver set that is compatible with the hardware.
It's going to be hard to find developers who will take on such a project since not only is it a huge time investment, but it's liable to get you sued by Microsoft.
Anything can be hacked given time and patience, but Win RT will be a tough nut to crack. You will have to have to find an exploit to unlock/replace the bootloader and likely write custom firmware. Given what a b!#@h the Lumia 900 has been to unlock, it may be a long time.
The good news is that Windows 8 (at least full Win 8) is moving to a class driver model which makes the likelihood of cross device compatibility much more likely than in the past. Base drivers could very well be standard across the respective ARM families and OEMs are likely to reprovision standard chassis designs for both Windows RT and ICS (much like WP7, a la Samsung Galaxy and Focus).
There are still too many questions to accurately guess, but we'll know more soon.
Ubuntu is releasing its tablet version this week for developers, but its only for nexus devices, let's hope this will be available for our 7.7 also. My only dream id to run both jb and Ubuntu as dual boot on this tab
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I have spare Galaxy Tab 7.7 that I'm not that actively using, but I would like to try an port the Ubuntu touch for it. Any hints how to start? I have been working with software since 90's but I have no idea how to go forward.
So what I have understood is that what Canodical did was to take latest stable CM 3.5.xx kernel and then compiled their Ubuntu software on top of that?
I don´t know anything about porting ubuntu or roms but this page should help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting Well at least if u guys are talking about ubuntu touch...
https://wiki.Ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
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Thx for help. I'm setting now Ubuntu 12.04 LTS on my spare laptop (Acer TimelineX 3820TG) with needed build environments.
I have no guarantees that anything what I'm trying will work, but I really hope that I can avoid bricking my gt-6800 and get the cm10.1 kernel to work with the device. After that it should be quite straight forward to get the build up and running in some shape.
Ok, now I have the environment set-up, but there are no kernel confs available. So it seems that I have to either found them somewhere or create a new one and then try to figure it out. It seems that Iocerras kernel is a bit old (3.0.xx series). We'll, as soon as I have something to show, I'll put the information available in the development section on this forum and release the first version of the platform. But currently the image build is on hold because I need to concentrate my daily work.
Will the cm10.1 not work?
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Will the cm10.1 not work?
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There is no build for gt-p6800 available in CM10.1 with kernel sources. I'm still investigating where I might find the needed sources so that I can compile the kernel and start upgrading it towards 3.5.xx release.
Try this if you want the Ubuntu look right now
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mohammad.adib.sidebar.lite
Works great
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Heh, anyway I think I'm getting quite close to on finishing the first ever build for ubuntu-touch for gt-p6800...
I had to create two new repositories because the kernel and device configuration that is available is so messed up. I hope I do not have many legacy kernel problems anymore when I'm making the first build here.
Are there any gt-p6800 dev's around still or has the ship sailed already from this device. I really like it because its premium build quality, but I hate it if there is no one else interested on the device anymore
YEAH, first build done.
If someone has a good idea where to dump the image for others to test, please notify me in this thread or PM me.
Development thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38648150
is it better than ICS?
Morloc2 said:
is it better than ICS?
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I really cannot say. It is a development preview of a fully linux system that has potential (yes), but no software yet. At all... We'll see if it is better than meego, android or tzisen in future
Is there really need in ubuntu on tablets? Any real "+" against Android?))
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Is there really need in ubuntu on tablets? Any real "+" against Android?))
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Is there a need for Android for phones? (asks Symbian developer)
Is there a need for iOS for phones? (asks Symbian developer)
Is there a need for Meego for phones? (asks Symbian developer)
It depends on what you find necessary or what you like For you there might not be anything, for me I find it interesting and useful.
dun1982 said:
Is there a need for Android for phones? (asks Symbian developer)
Is there a need for iOS for phones? (asks Symbian developer)
Is there a need for Meego for phones? (asks Symbian developer)
It depends on what you find necessary or what you like For you there might not be anything, for me I find it interesting and useful.
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I think you are user of Ubuntu on PC, so could you please tell me in which aspects is it good?)) I had never used Ubuntu)))
P.S. sorry for my english))
I use Ubuntu as my desktop OS at home. Canonical is looking to make your Ubuntu phone your only device. Android is a great mobile platform but is not a desktop platform. Ubuntu has a desktop platform and a tv platform both sitting on top of a common Linux kernel. If Ubuntu phone works as promised you'll have all three platforms in a single unified device depending on what the device is connected to. Standalone it is a phone/phablet/tablet depending on the device. Attach it to a tv and it is a media centre. Dock it to a keyboard, mouse and monitor it becomes a full desktop. Each with their own interface optimised for that use case rather than trying to make one interface that sort of works for all. If Canonical pulls this off it will be a winner.
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I use Ubuntu as my desktop OS at home. Canonical is looking to make your Ubuntu phone your only device. Android is a great mobile platform but is not a desktop platform. Ubuntu has a desktop platform and a tv platform both sitting on top of a common Linux kernel. If Ubuntu phone works as promised you'll have all three platforms in a single unified device depending on what the device is connected to. Standalone it is a phone/phablet/tablet depending on the device. Attach it to a tv and it is a media centre. Dock it to a keyboard, mouse and monitor it becomes a full desktop. Each with their own interface optimised for that use case rather than trying to make one interface that sort of works for all. If Canonical pulls this off it will be a winner.
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Sounds really cool:victory:
Thanks for answer:good:
I vote for Ubuntu because linux is very good So i think it Will work Great for. You
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I would definetely prefer a well running Ubuntu to Android. Meaning phone, data, wifi working. The hardware of my tablet is almost as good as the hardware of my laptop running Ubuntu. 1.4Ghz vs 1.8 Ghz, 1Gb Ram vs 2.5Gb, powervr xyz vs geforce 7400m. One device to rule them all .