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I have my Galaxy Note for 10 weeks and after using it always with 100% brightness there are aging effects.
Specially at blue backgrounds, but also at white and gray I can see the home screen icons, the clock and some buttons from jelly defense (I played jelly defense 3 weeks daily 2 hours) shining darker. (you can see it on the photo)
Now my Galaxy Note is in service for screen changing.
But what can I do in the future to avoid this aging effects? 80% brightness, 90% brightness?
Samsung didn't know this problems (I'll not believe it).
Has anyone practical experience with this problem?
Typically Blue pixels age the fastest. So pick a warm/red background. Avoid 100% brightness. Use auto if possible. Avoid leave screen on for prolonged period. Avoid static text or icon on the screen for too long. Basically the same care you would do to a Plasma TV except even the plasma TV screen(around 80,000 to 100,000 hrs) lasts 10 times longer than the AMOLED screen (estimated around 10,000 to 20,000 hrs).
Looks like you've discovered amoleds dirty little secret. I avoid pixel burnout by using launchers that auto hide the notification bar as well as browsers that allow you to hide the navigation bar such as opera. Opera let's you browse in fill screen mode.
I often refrain from using apps that show static images for long periods of time. I try to use the browser for everything that can be done through the regular Web portal of a site.
There is no way of getting around static images in apps unless the Dev accounts for it. Some devs are aware of amoled burn out and have options to hide navigation bars.
Ultimately you have to be mindful of static images and make sure to either avoid them on your screen for prolonged periods of time or remember to rotate your screen.
This is why I'm not looking forward to virtual buttons on ICS. It will destroy amoled screens for sure. Hopefully Samsung will retain physical button(s)
10 weeks is a pretty short life time, My friend's Nexus One (1yr++) does not have the very slightest hint of screen aging why my the galaxy S2 that I used for just 2 months already had the AM/PM burned in.
Its normal for OLED screens to age but it should not be this fast, this is probably why apple is not looking into OLED screens as the quality and or lifespan could be problematic.
There are some manufacturing defects. Some screens are just fade faster than others. But in general, if you know how to take good care of your screen, it will last a long time. My old Galaxy S lasted over a year without any noticeable burn-in. My new Galaxy S2 has been 4 months w/o any problem.
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There are some manufacturing defects. Some screens are just fade faster than others. But in general, if you know how to take good care of your screen, it will last a long time. My old Galaxy S lasted over a year without any noticeable burn-in. My new Galaxy S2 has been 4 months w/o any problem.
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like the part where you say "noticeable"
no matter how much you try to take care of it. It will happen. Its already there. (Depends to which degree)
My advice apart those ones about hiding the element that are always present.
Do not look for a screen burn in. Or do not look at the ****ty quality of the AMOLED. When you would look on for example on grey/ brown background easiest to spot when going to the marker you would notice the differences between the different parts of the screen. Its not perfectly even from the time its build. The color is displayed in different shades usually presenting itself in "lines".
Had my Note for 1 hour and I noticed it. Brand new.
But then again I know what to look for (proud owner of Galaxy S) and where to look for it.
I bought this device for the resolution and power. Not for the screen build quality
When I say 'noticeable', I meant to use screen test patterns. Last time I did that with my Galaxy S, I don't see any burn in with the test patterns at all. But I agree one should not purposfully sort after the burn in. It will always be there. But I also don't need live in panic. The great contrast of the screen (or infinite black) outweights any shortcomings it has. Side by side with an iPhone 4/4s, I simply can't stand the foggy looking screen of the LCD on iPhones. Every iPhone owners I encounter liked my SAMOLE screen better.
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But then again I know what to look for (proud owner of Galaxy S) and where to look for it.
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Hello fellow Galaxy S owner, This is the phone that brought up my standards and expectation for a SAMOLED device. I never saw any lines/uneven screen brightness and other garbage on my Galaxy S, even on greys. So this has brought up my expectation for a very high level which was crushed by the Galaxy Note's screen.
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I bought this device for the resolution and power. Not for the screen build quality
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Good for you, I bought the device as a while package with the top concern about screen build quality and as an HD playback device which it does not meet the purpose
Just a quick tip I picked up from someone else on this site (I forget now who it was, sorry). Change your clock from 12 to 24 hour every now and then (and visa versa), it shifts all the icons along a little
This is both an interesting and depressing post to find. I was so excited to order my International Note soon, but now I'm super paranoid about screen aging. I've read so much conflicting information about it online, I don't even know what to believe anymore.
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This is both an interesting and depressing post to find. I was so excited to order my International Note soon, but now I'm super paranoid about screen aging. I've read so much conflicting information about it online, I don't even know what to believe anymore.
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In terms of lifespan, LCDs still trump amoleds. That's a fact you'll have to live with.
No screen technology is perfect. SAMOLED for the moment has the problem that pixels decrease in brightness with ussage. So try to minimize the amount of light you get off the screen. That will also give you more battery life.
Try to use black backgrounds, and white text on black background if the application allows it. Of course if you spend 3 hours a day on a game with static icons and menus, that will wear some pixels more than others and you'll end up with something like the OP.
If you go looking for small variations of color, you're going to find them. But the superior brightness and contrast of a SAMOLED screen wins me over. Even when I know its effemeral and will degrade with time. But anyway, who keeps a phone more than 2 years?
Yeah, but I just found this information for the first time today, which is why I'm so depressed. I'm a digital artist so having a nice little on-the-go sketchpad has me super excited, but also worried because of the screen. Expansys tells me there's a 2 year warranty, but I don't know how that would work on an international phone if the screen goes bad...
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vcespon : Yeah, I normally keep the brightness on my Atrix down quite low anyways. The max brightness setting is *blindingly* bright. As for the 'who keeps a phone more then 2 years", I had my iphone 3gs for quite awhile thank you very much. That and if I spend 600-700 bucks on this baby I want it to last! If I get at the very least a year to a year and a half out of the screen I'll be somewhat happy, though closer to 2 would be better obviously. I wonder what the long-term outlook is for the life of these screens anyways. Does anyone know the mean-time-before-failure for them?
I would also try using black backgrounds or dark themes on as many apps as possible also. Like tapatalk or k9 for instance.
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I wonder what the long-term outlook is for the life of these screens anyways. Does anyone know the mean-time-before-failure for them?
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I think there are some references how long the pixels "live". You should google. Even though Samsung said that they used new materials to build the displays.
I can tell you one thing you get used to the inferior screen in time.(Few rants not and then) So I wouldn't worry about that. If it really fails you. Meaning someone else will notice something wrong on the screen no just you. Claim warranty
Also to pointing out. There is shor-term memory effect as well. I think I already posted some bad quality pics here about that from my SGS. > http://goo.gl/URYzm I do not remember if this is a burn it or just the memory effect. I think its the memory bla bla. Second pic is best.
Thanks for the information! I think I remembered someone saying that the short-term memory effect gets better over time as well. I'm mostly worried about the screen quality as I plan on doing a lot of sketching on it, which kind of sucks because it'll most likely be using a light-colored background then. :\ I wonder if the AT&T version will have the exact same screens or if they'll be a slightly updated version. I guess not considering AMOLED is still AMOLED.
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I think there are some references how long the pixels "live". You should google. Even though Samsung said that they used new materials to build the displays.
I can tell you one thing you get used to the inferior screen in time.(Few rants not and then) So I wouldn't worry about that. If it really fails you. Meaning someone else will notice something wrong on the screen no just you. Claim warranty
Also to pointing out. There is shor-term memory effect as well. I think I already posted some bad quality pics here about that from my SGS. > http://goo.gl/URYzm I do not remember if this is a burn it or just the memory effect. I think its the memory bla bla. Second pic is best.
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Thanks for the information! I think I remembered someone saying that the short-term memory effect gets better over time as well. I'm mostly worried about the screen quality as I plan on doing a lot of sketching on it, which kind of sucks because it'll most likely be using a light-colored background then. :\ I wonder if the AT&T version will have the exact same screens or if they'll be a slightly updated version. I guess not considering AMOLED is still AMOLED.
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You worry too much. And you do not even have that phone yet.
First of all not sure how its in your country, but here you can return in if you dont like it in a week I think.
Also if it becomes really apparent you really can go to a service center. I do not remember someone saying that samsung refused to change the screen.
Also I was ranting here already a year ago about the Galaxy S. I hate SAMOLED soo much since I got the SGS (18 months ago). I own an iPhone 4 and love retina and SLCD. And yet bought the Galaxy Note as well (despite the fact I knew how faulty it will be and how I will hate it )
Hey, I'm paranoid! I *really* get upset when I get a device that either isn't stable or has something wrong or defective about it. (Especially something that costs this much!) I'm in the US and am debating ordering through Expansys (USA), and I've heard they have I believe it was a 2 year warranty, but I have a feeling I'd have to send it to Expansys and have them take care of it if something went wrong. I can't see Samsung handling an international phone's repair in the US?
Aren't we strange with how we buy our gadgets? We know we will hate something and yet still buy it.
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Hey, I'm paranoid! I *really* get upset when I get a device that either isn't stable or has something wrong or defective about it. (Especially something that costs this much!) I'm in the US and am debating ordering through Expansys (USA), and I've heard they have I believe it was a 2 year warranty, but I have a feeling I'd have to send it to Expansys and have them take care of it if something went wrong. I can't see Samsung handling an international phone's repair in the US?
Aren't we strange with how we buy our gadgets? We know we will hate something and yet still buy it.
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All oled displays suffer from amoled burn out. Not much you can do.
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Try to use black backgrounds, and white text on black background if the application allows it.
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Here you can see my homescreen. There is already white text on black background.
But I can see the shadows of the big clock and all icons. The shadows are the white parts of the homescreen; for example the "S" of my S-Banking-App is very visible as a black shadow in all other apps with lighter background (Internet-Browser, ebook-Reader etc..).
And the homescreen is visible only for a few minutes, because when I want to use an app I directly start the app. I don't look so much time to the homescreen and my Galaxy Note goes after one minute in standby mode.
That means only 10 minutes/day homescreen with 100% brightness is enough to damage the screen visible after 10 weeks?
Okay, playing Jelly Defense 2 hours a day at 100% brightness is not so good, but the problem is not the time, because a few minutes looking to the homescreen has nearly the same aging effect.
So the Nexus 4’s potentially quality screen has crappy screen issues. There. I said it.
What I mean is that it’s a GREAT screen in some ways (resolution mainly) but it’s let down by what seems to be noticeably poor quality/manufacturing.
Why do I say this? Well, it’s been my experience that the Nexus 4 (in general) has a chronic problem with significantly poor screen uniformity for both colour and brightness. I ordered my first phone on the 13th December 2012 and as soon as it arrived I was pretty excited at finally getting a new phone (upgrading from Galaxy S1 the N4 is a beautiful beast).
When I booted it up and started using it I immediately got a sinking feeling as I realised that the bottom third of the phone had a slight but easily noticeable yellow gradient tint to it along with the left edge and the right edge was grey/dingy about a half a centimetre in. The left side and bottom third were also noticeably brighter than the right side of the phone. I’ve illustrated this in the attached pic. It’s all fairly subtle – but it’s definitely there and is easy to see.
Since I use (like most people I guess) quite a few apps that have white or solid colour backgrounds (gmail, currents, google books, email, messaging, chrome etc) – this lack of uniformity really made things look crappy in a not spectacular but just “sub-par” way unless I was viewing something which was a picture or video or filled the screen where it wasn’t noticeable.
So I called Google Play and told them about the problem and they arranged for a return.
When I got my replacement I booted it up and immediately, even before getting past the X logo animation noticed a big spot of light bleed at the top right. *Very* easy to see and my heart sank.
There on in I opened up the Mail app and closed the keyboard so I got a nice, mainly white screen. Again I noticed the same issue with the yellowing tint to the bottom and left but this time it was *more* noticeable.
To cut this long story short I’ve now sent back 3 devices for this issue, about to send back my 4th and my 5th should arrive tomorrow. I’m not holding out much hope.
I’ve seen this exact same issue on about 4 other Nexus 4’s in shops in the UK (Carphone Warehouse, O2) and while there looked at the HTC One X, iPhone 5 and the new Lumia phones from Nokia running Windows Phone 8. Those phones in particular (with LCD screen tech too) didn’t have these issues *at all* as far as I could tell. In fact the HTC One X screen looked to me to be flawless, as did the Lumia 820 and 920. If I could put the screen from the One X into the N4, I would. Sadly, not gonna happen. Sadly I don’t want the One X but do want an N4. P.S. I know LG manufacture their own displays.
Now I’m NOT claiming to speak for ALL N4’s (why I’ve started this thread) but I do believe that it cannot be a coincidence that ALL the N4’s *except one* showed this issue. I believe that LG simply manufacture the screens in such a way that they invariably have these tinting and brightness uniformity inconsistencies and that because most people don’t care, they don’t care.
********What I’d like is to ask if people with an N4 they’re happy with could do the following and provide the following info:
*Open the Mail app and close the keyboard (press down arrow at bottom). Look at the white of the screen and see if there is any edge or part of the screen that is noticeably *brighter* or *more yellow*. Are there any areas of the screen that are noticeably darker or duller? Do this for different brightnesses (low and fairly high). What do you see? Any yellow tint? Any inconsistency in brightness? All ok? Perfectly even?********
TL;DR: I’ve had 4 Nexus 4’s from Google Play all with the same yellow tint and brightness uniformity issues. Very noticeable. Not acceptable to me for a device that displays a lot of white “pages” and solid colours. Other phones (that I don’t want) do not have this issue (annoying). Please can you give feedback from your phone.
PLEASE NOTE:
Other threads discussing the “yellow tint” issue invariably attract trolls in their varying forms.
DO NOT reply to this thread if you simply want to say any of the following:
1) I don’t see a problem with mine therefore I don’t understand what you’re talking about.
2) I don’t see a problem with mine therefore you’re imagining a problem with yours.
3) I don’t see a problem with mine therefore you’re expecting a “perfect” screen and they don’t exist.
4) There are more important things in life to worry about. (A: I’m not “worried”, screen uniformity is important to me, get over it.)
5) I see a slight yellowing but I don’t care therefore you shouldn’t care. There are more important things in life to worry about.) [see above]
The attached illustration is slightly "exaggerated" to make sure the effect is reproduced for all screens. Not by all that much though.
UPDATE: 31/01/2013: Well I've received *another* N4 replacement today and lo and behold the exact *same issue*. With this one I'm going to wait it out at least a week and see if it improves. I *really* want an N4 as in every other way it's truly a great piece of tech. Pray for me guys!
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My screen has no discolorations or brightness unevenness that I can see.
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I've had tint issues with all three handsets. First two it didn't disappear after use. This third handset SEEMS to have gotten a little better after a week.
All three had light bleed. First one was least noticeable, last two including the current have two blobs of light bleed in the exact same places along the top of the LCD.
It's almost as if something during manufacturing (screw tightness?) has caused it on both handsets. They are both 212K and revision 11.
It's annoying me and I may do one final RMA once I see what this new wave of devices brings.
mine's fine.
I did what you asked, OP and I'm not seeing and unevenness, yellow tint, or brightness issues (aside from auto-brightness being stupidly low).
The only issue I have with my screen is poor colors. I have a One X and an iPhone 5 that I sometimes compare with my N4's screen and it's shockingly apparent that the N4's screen has colors that just aren't worthy of a top-tier device. The resolution is nice and all, but I like it when the colors are nice and accurate. It's most easy to tell when comparing images of people and looking at their skin. Now I'm no anthropologist, but I have a pretty solid grasp of what skin looks like. The One X is probably the best at representing things the way they look IRL, followed by the iPhone 5. I don't know if it's just my N4 or other people have the same issue. I've tried using apps to adjust the color (FauxClock with Faux's kernel, to be specific), but nothing makes it look quite as nice as my other phones.
I guess you never asked about the second part, but there it is.
I had that issue when I received my device, Used kernel setting to rectify the problem but after 4-5 days of use it gone away. Now device is perfect.
I recommend you to stay with it for 3-4 days before returning it and check.
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I did what you asked, OP and I'm not seeing and unevenness, yellow tint, or brightness issues (aside from auto-brightness being stupidly low).
The only issue I have with my screen is poor colors. I have a One X and an iPhone 5 that I sometimes compare with my N4's screen and it's shockingly apparent that the N4's screen has colors that just aren't worthy of a top-tier device. The resolution is nice and all, but I like it when the colors are nice and accurate. It's most easy to tell when comparing images of people and looking at their skin. Now I'm no anthropologist, but I have a pretty solid grasp of what skin looks like. The One X is probably the best at representing things the way they look IRL, followed by the iPhone 5. I don't know if it's just my N4 or other people have the same issue. I've tried using apps to adjust the color (FauxClock with Faux's kernel, to be specific), but nothing makes it look quite as nice as my other phones.
I guess you never asked about the second part, but there it is.
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Thanks for the feedback - very helpful. I got *another* one through today and it seems "better" by a bit than the previous one at least. I think I'll see how it goes. Good to know that it's not only me sho can see the difference.
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I've had tint issues with all three handsets. First two it didn't disappear after use. This third handset SEEMS to have gotten a little better after a week.
All three had light bleed. First one was least noticeable, last two including the current have two blobs of light bleed in the exact same places along the top of the LCD.
It's almost as if something during manufacturing (screw tightness?) has caused it on both handsets. They are both 212K and revision 11.
It's annoying me and I may do one final RMA once I see what this new wave of devices brings.
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All the phones I've had have been 301K and they've all had the same issue with yellow tint/backlight inconsistency in a very similar way. I'll have sent back 4 N4's if I decide to keep the current one! I think you're probably right about the screw tightness or some such other minor thing during manufacturing. It's not like a viewing angle problem. It does look like something to do with assembly in particular. Please do let me/us know how you get on and how things work out.
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I had that issue when I received my device, Used kernel setting to rectify the problem but after 4-5 days of use it gone away. Now device is perfect.
I recommend you to stay with it for 3-4 days before returning it and check.
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I used FauxClock on my previous device (sat here waiting to go back) and it did seem to improve the situation slightly - but then since the screen isn't uniform, it reduced the yellow where it was yellow but then made it too "blue" on the rest of the screen. I really hope that this yellow tint is a "glue" issue or something that will even out through repeated use due to heating/cooling - i.e. expanding and contracting which somehow settles things down. I'll keep this one about a week and see what happens. Fingers crossed!
Thanks for your feedback guys!
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5) I see a slight yellowing but I don’t care therefore you shouldn’t care. There are more important things in life to worry about.) [see above]
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^ this is pretty much all I can say.
Every nexus 4 phone I handled had a slightly yellower screen at the bottom. For me its barely noticeable, not as yellow as it is in your illustration.
They all seem to have that same issue, along with light bleeding across the top edge.
You can keep RMAing if you're not tired of that .. But you will not receive a fully uniform no matter what.
If screen uniformity is important for you get one of the above phones you mentioned.
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^ this is pretty much all I can say.
Every nexus 4 phone I handled had a slightly yellower screen at the bottom. For me its barely noticeable, not as yellow as it is in your illustration.
They all seem to have that same issue, along with light bleeding across the top edge.
You can keep RMAing if you're not tired of that .. But you will not receive a fully uniform no matter what.
If screen uniformity is important for you get one of the above phones you mentioned.
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Thanks for the info, that's interesting to know. Out of interest, how many have you handled? Going by some comments on XDA and around the web regarding this issue, you'd think that the yellow tint was only on a handful of handsets and an isolated quirk, not as I suspect and you seem to suggest, a common trait of the N4.
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Thanks for the info, that's interesting to know. Out of interest, how many have you handled? Going by some comments on XDA and around the web regarding this issue, you'd think that the yellow tint was only on a handful of handsets and an isolated quirk, not as I suspect and you seem to suggest, a common trait of the N4.
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Well,
I ordered three of them, all screens looked identical with the exact same issues: some yellowing at the bottom with a light bleed over the top edge (especially top right corner). I had to RMA 2 out of the 3 due to severe screen issues (screen flickering and dead pixels). Received 2 new units, screens have the exact same issue. I have 2 friends with N4s and their screens are like that too. It's almost not noticeable.
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Well,
I ordered three of them, all screens looked identical with the exact same issues: some yellowing at the bottom with a light bleed over the top edge (especially top right corner). I had to RMA 2 out of the 3 due to severe screen issues (screen flickering and dead pixels). Received 2 new units, screens have the exact same issue. I have 2 friends with N4s and their screens are like that too. It's almost not noticeable.
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Does the light bleed appear like small blobs from the top edge?
My worst is the top left, about an inch in. Then there's another smaller blob nearer the right hand side. Little bit leakage top right and top left, but its worst along the actual taskbar.
I will take a picture tomorrow.
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My first nexus 4 (rev 10) has perfect whites except the bottom of the screen would turn yellow after warming. All of the 4 RMA devices I've recieved (rev 11) don't have this issue EXCEPT all the rev 11s are calibrated horribly leading to the entire screen being yellower than my rev 10 unit. The screens are uniform, however, I just wish they calibrated the phones like they did with the rev 10.
The new rev 11s have a calibration problem while my rev 10 has a glue problem.
The new rev 11s also have a dimmer screen than my rev 10. I kinda just want them to send a perfect rev 10 to me.
Interesting because calibration issues affect the whole screen. If any part of the screen isn't the same "tint" as another part and its noticeable then this isn't something that can be fixed with calibration. Calibration can only save a uniformly "yellow" or "blue" tinted screen. To that end I wish mine was uniformly yellow. Mine is a rev 11 and I'm on my second day with it and hoping the bottom and left yellow tint fades soon and that it's just glue. I've tried Fauxclock and applying various screen tweaks with a previous similar phone and it helped somewhat but there's nothing can be done about unevenness in the tint really unless its glue and it dries.
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Hey guys,
I've had my nexus 4 for a week now and I am super pleased by it. The phone runs like a dream.
The only issue I seem to be having is that I can see the IPS sensors even with the screen on!.
I'm talking about the little transparent-gray squares all over it, not about the super awesome dots that you can see with direct sunlight.
This is flipping me out!
Is anybody else having this problem with it?
I can't appreciate the beautiful screen because of this.
Also, when displaying single color frames specially dark ones, like on the clock app , the colors are not really solid.
I get this vertical stripes that are approximate to the color but not quite it.
Im posting a screenshot but I don't think that youll be able to notice it since it may be a hardware problem.
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That's a hardware thing, not visible in screenshots. You'd need to take an actual picture.
Are you referring to the dot grid that is visible in direct sunlight? Everyone has is. It's because of the fact that the screen is integrated into the glass.
I think it looks kind of cool but that might just be me.
Edit: Gotta read the whole thread first I guess you're not talking about the dots. I have no idea what you're talking about then.
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Question to the OP. Do YOU see anything wrong with those images, or is it a hardware problem? I can't see any difference between your screen shots and my phone.
Damn it man, now i see them too -.-
I went to the clock app, and i can see some stripes on the left but mine are vertical.
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That's a hardware thing, not visible in screenshots. You'd need to take an actual picture.
Are you referring to the dot grid that is visible in direct sunlight? Everyone has is. It's because of the fact that the screen is integrated into the glass.
I think it looks kind of cool but that might just be me.
Edit: Gotta read the whole thread first I guess you're not talking about the dots. I have no idea what you're talking about then.
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Hello after using my nexus for almost 2 weeks today i noticed some vertical line (of Dots) on my screen under direct sunlight...these dots very moving and can be seen with screen off also..
is there any thing to worry..
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Hello after using my nexus for almost 2 weeks today i noticed some vertical line (of Dots) on my screen under direct sunlight...these dots very moving and can be seen with screen off also..
is there any thing to worry..
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Haha Dude that's the digitizer. Don't worry. It's all cool.
Chill out people.. Its just the digitizer that you can see, so close to the screen for better touchscreen responsiveness. The most likely reason you can still see it with your device screen on is that you have your brightness too low.. Put it up
even amoled screen are also the same
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even amoled screen are also the same
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When I first got my Nexus4 the weird screen was the first thing that popped out at me. Between the visible digitizer matrix that glints when it catches the sun wrong, to the odd rectangles that can be seen behind the screen I was initially bummed and thought about returning the phone. It doesn't even bother me anymore
This is my 8th android device and the first one that has a funky screen like this, but it really isnt a big deal. Under 95 percent of conditions it looks really nice
I have been able to see the digitizer on every single capacitive screen i have ever owned.
@David_Azar I have to agree.. initially I was disgusted by how prominent the digitzer pattern was, I've never had ANY screen show it as much as the Nexus 4 does.
However, the vertical stripes you're referencing is commonly referred to as "banding". I have this on my Nexus 4 as well, most visible on grays (especially darker grays).
I have been doing some research and I believe the banding issue will reduce over time. If you check your screen when displaying a white background at max brightness, such as gmail or chrome browser, you should see a slight yellowing of the whites. It appears this can be due to the adhesive they used to glue the digitizer to the screen not curing completely. After several weeks of use, the heat from the processor will help cure the adhesive causing the yellow to disappear after a while.
I cannot say for certain that it will completely resolve the banding issue, but I have noticed that the worst banding is in the areas where the yellow tint is most prominent. I have also been testing my display every day to monitor any changes, and I am happy to report I do see a minor reduction in both the yellowing and banding (I've only had my Nexus 4 for five days so far).
Give it a couple of weeks, run some intensive games to get the processor to heat up every day. Keep brightness at max for the next few weeks and let us know if you see any improvements.
As for the pattern of the digitizer in the glass.. it's not going anywhere so get used to it. I don't like it much either but it seems to be less prominent once you start becoming used to it.
Good luck, let us know how it goes
Hey man,
Curiously enough I've never had the yellow tints everybody's complaining about. I'm used to The digitizer matrix ( rectangles) buy at first it was really weird. I was coming from a non HD display ( a RAZR Maxx) so naturally, I expected that my N4 would have a perfect screen.
I've had my N4 for almost two months now and the banding has not reduced. I made some research over the last month and I found that with some kernel settings for saturation the banding is reduced. I'm not sure if it is really reduced or the clear gray tones that have the banding just don't appear anymore because of the saturation.
The Trinity kernel reduces this a bit but like I said, your screen will look life a f*** ing AMOLED.
Right now I'm using the kernel provided by the 123 FAUX CLOCK project. I'm using the LG factory presets and for the most part I'm really happy with the screen. If you or anybody else comes up with a different solution, let others know on this thread.
Peace brothers.
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Just for kicks, if you stop by a T-mobile location compare your screen with the display model and see if you can spot the yellow tint on either screen (on a white background)
I will update this thread with my phone's progress (or lack thereof if it stops improving).
I get banding issues also, more noticeable in grey backgrounds; but I can I see them in other colors if I look hard enough
I use a dark black theme to avoid looking at those bands
I can say this. I've had a ton of devices..latest was s3 and I'll just say I'm stoked to have IPS over pen tile. Just knowing HD was plagued by this alone was enough for me to ditch Sammy all together especially after seeing rgb on note 2 was no better. This is my opinion of Samsung's design ...I know why they chose it but I can't and won't buy another amoled until they get another tech in order. So now I say kudos on IPS but I'm surely a screen purest and I found these hardware screen/digitizer artifacts you speak of and to me its so much less noticeable. Your not alone. You just like good clean HD like me. Lol HTC one should be a nice one to check out...
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That would be a little like kicking myself in the nuts. Nothing good can come out of that.
If I spot the yellow tints once, then I will always look for it. I hate doing that with the banding but it's an automatic thing.
I dunno why but it really bums me out whenever I have a problem with my phone.
Let's keep posting of someone finds a solution or something .
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I've got the quite visible digitizer rectangles too. In anything less than a dark room if the phone is not on a perfect angle they are visible.
I can't really tell if "everyone's" is like that, or just some are "worse" than others.
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Here's an image with them visible with the screen on (and at an angle) - difficult to take a photo of - but much easier to see with the naked eye.
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Few more with the screen off.
sargorn said:
I've got the quite visible digitizer rectangles too. In anything less than a dark room if the phone is not on a perfect angle they are visible.
I can't really tell if "everyone's" is like that, or just some are "worse" than others.
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Here's an image with them visible with the screen on (and at an angle) - difficult to take a photo of - but much easier to see with the naked eye.
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Few more with the screen off.
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Went and checked out an Optimus G today (Nexus 4 isn't actually released in Japan). Given that a Nexus 4 is just a remodeled Optimus G I thought it'd be worth comparing screens. The digitizer matrix is barely visible on the G I was looking at with the screen OFF. With it on you could almost see it at some angles. It is much more visible on my Nexus 4 which you can almost always see with the screen off and at an angle and often with the screen on.
I'm leaning towards my phone being "less than a perfect example of a Nexus 4" and not the "norm" at the moment.
they are much more noticeable in Rev 11 devices and they where barely visible in Rev 10, i am sure that there is a technical reason behind it
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they are much more noticeable in Rev 11 devices and they where barely visible in Rev 10, i am sure that there is a technical reason behind it
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See that explains it a little more. Not sure I see the logic in putting a screen with pretty decent viewing angles on a device and then sticking a really visible digitizer on it though.
I've contacted the seller and I guess I'll wait and see what they say in regard to it.
I'm on my 4th phone, and this one is by far the worst. I busted out my Galaxy S4 to compare, and it's night and day difference. The S4 (also super amoled) is completely uniform color temp, and has almost zero color shift when you tilt the phone. Every 6P I've had has some type of pink to blue color gradient, and shifts to blue when I tilt it just a tiny bit forward (like everytime I'm reaching for the notification tray). I'm starting to think people with "zero issues" are either smoking the hype pipe, or having a completely different experience. All 4 of my phones are 64GB Graphite, with build dates of 10/25 or 10/27. It seemed there were a disproportionate number of 64GB Graphites reporting these issues. I'm thinking I keep getting phones from the same crappy batch(es). I'm wondering if there is any correlation between the color/size variants and these defects.
I'm considering returning the phone for good and either reordering in a month or two, or getting a 5x to hold me over until next years Nexus. I got Nexus Protect and the whole shebang with the 6P because I was planning on keeping it 2+ years.
2x bad 64gb graphites for me. 3rd one seems to be better, but not perfect. I'm not sure if I'll RMA it or not. Like you said it seems like every screen has issues and it's just a matter of how bad it is. The 3rd one isn't too bad at least.
Frost 128gb, no problem at all except for the random reboot.
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Frost 128gb, no problem at all except for the random reboot.
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Frost 64GB and same as you, no defects but I need to check if I got a random reboot while asleep as it asked me for the secure boot password when I unlocked it this morning. Strangely, once I did this, the phone appeared to have been exactly where I'd left it, instead of going through the usual boot up process of loading home screens, widgets etc.
I do wish to clarify that I do find this device to shift colors ever so slightly when not looking straight on. It is nothing major and I put it down to Google/Huawei not sourcing a good panel. It is the obvious shift expected from lower end panels due to changes in viewing angles. I do not classify that as a defect. I will post pictures of this in another thread in General.
At the most extreme near 180 angle, I can see some green rainbow effect. I don't know if this is due to my cheap screen protector or it has something to do with the Gorilla Glass treatment on the panel. It really is a non issue for me. I NEVER noticed ANY of this until I came along the forums and read people complaining about defects, making me go LOOK for them on mine. This doesn't mean others aren't suffering from defects.
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Frost 128gb, no problem at all except for the random reboot.
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Mine had the freeze and reboot issues. Did it 7 times in the span of 5 days. Put it on safe mode and still rebooted. Factory reset the device and clean install of apps and rebooted once. After that one random freeze, the device hasn't had one in 48 hrs and counting but still rma'd for a new device to make myself feel more at ease knowing that there is no internal hardware issues.
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Not had any reboots at all but my 3 phones had increasingly worse displays. Alu 64gb, manufacturrd 18/10, 28/10,28/10. The original 18/10 was the best of them all but still not good with pink hue on the left side of the screen.
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Frost 64GB and same as you, no defects but I need to check if I got a random reboot while asleep as it asked me for the secure boot password when I unlocked it this morning. Strangely, once I did this, the phone appeared to have been exactly where I'd left it, instead of going through the usual boot up process of loading home screens, widgets etc.
I do wish to clarify that I do find this device to shift colors ever so slightly when not looking straight on. It is nothing major and I put it down to Google/Huawei not sourcing a good panel. It is the obvious shift expected from lower end panels due to changes in viewing angles. I do not classify that as a defect. I will post pictures of this in another thread in General.
At the most extreme near 180 angle, I can see some green rainbow effect. I don't know if this is due to my cheap screen protector or it has something to do with the Gorilla Glass treatment on the panel. It really is a non issue for me. I NEVER noticed ANY of this until I came along the forums and read people complaining about defects, making me go LOOK for them on mine. This doesn't mean others aren't suffering from defects.
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I also have the color shifting, but this is probably caused by the tempered glass screen protector. anyway, I always look a the device with an angle of 90 degree.
Thanks mods for cleaning up the hate speech. It amazes me people think we should be grateful and accept any crap Google ships. The way QA works, it's not an issue unless the customers make it an issue. If Google can save money and use grade B panels, and their customers don't seem to mind, then next year they might use grade C panels.
This is what my 6P looks like on the google homepage at normal brightness levels: https://goo.gl/photos/z77YPDta247Jh3Zt5
Last I checked, there is no gradient on the google homepage that goes from pink to green. And if you're curious, here is what that looks like next to a Nexus 5X: https://goo.gl/photos/3huN7dPbeBKqrodf7
Every one of my 6Ps has a color gradient when looking directly at the screen. That's not taking into account the crazy rainbow effect when you tilt the display just a few degrees any direction. I had multiple Galaxy S4s, which also have a samsung amoled screen, and they are all completely uniform and have close to zero color shift at normal viewing angles.
So to everyone that thinks we are just picky @#[email protected], in all my years and hundreds of consumer electronic devices I've owned, I've only ever RMAed two other devices: a plasma TV that buzzed like a bumblebee, and an og PSP that had dead pixels and completely outrageous back light bleed.
Dear Friends,
In peripheral vision, I can see a the 6p screen flickering slightly. Mostly only noticeable on bright white and green screens on full brightness (without auto brightness adjustment)
Can you please do me a solid one and check it out on your device?
1. Turn Off brightness adjustment in Display settings
2. Set phone to full brightness
3. Load a completely white background (chrome browser starting page or any screen testing tool)
4. Hold the phone centrally close to your face and look at another object in the room while viewing the phone in your peripheral vision
5. Look back and forth at the object in the room and at the screen to see if you notice a slight flickering or restlessness in the screen
The flickering is very faint and hard to notice in peripheral vision but it is definitely there. I tired the same with an iphone 6plus and the iphone screen (my brothers Iphone, I'd never buy none) definitely has no flicker at all. It's very steady.
The screen is also not as bright as the iphone 6+ but I think that is well known.
I'd like to know if it is standard with all nexus 6p's and if it bothers you at all.... maybe I am just obsessing or maybe not and I need to RMA the device which is a huge pain in the ass.
Thanks!
Thomas
I do not have this issue at all. There are two possibilities, there is a defect with your device OR you are sensitive to the refreshing of the display. However, most modern displays have a refresh rate of 60Hz or higher (I assume the Nexus 6P and iPhone 6 are 60Hz, but I cannot find that info) so it's odd you haven't experienced this with other devices.
My best advice is for you to get your hands on a different Nexus 6P to see if you have the same problem. If you can't do that, I would suggest you try to see if you notice it in any other displays. Maybe go to a store and try it with a Samsung Galaxy S6/Note 5 as those have a similar AMOLED display, whereas the iPhone is LCD.
Thanks for your quick feedback. I am really surprised that noone has noticed this. I am looking at the device straight I don't notice it either it is only in peripheral vision that I can see it but even then it is very hard to catch. I think that indeed it must have something to do with the refresh rate of the screen.
Maybe other people can give it a try ? I have a gut feeling that it is an "issue" in all Nexus 6P devices but that most people don't notice it because it takes a very malicious mind to see it. Maybe it's because the device is brand new and the screen needs some time to "break in" or "adjust" ?
I just want to make sure that I don't have a defective device.
Thanks everyone
Maybe It's related to http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/help/screen-flicker-pwm-question-t3228826 ??
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Maybe It's related to http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/help/screen-flicker-pwm-question-t3228826 ??
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I have heard of that before, but you're seeing the issue on super high brightness. Perhaps try it on a lower brightness to see if it worsens.
PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) is used for making the display darker. For example, say that a phone has a 60Hz refresh rate, meaning all of the pixels update 60 times each second. To make the display dimmer, the pixels are on for a shorter period of time in between each refresh. For maximum brightness, the pixels are on for the entire time between each refresh. Thus, when the display is dimmer, some might notice flickering as the pixels turn on and off.
Billy, again, thanks for your response. I will give it a try.
The best way I can describe it is that the effect is extremely subtle; so much, that I don't notice it looking directly at the screen but it translates into a sort of "nervousness" of the screen in general because you are left with the feeling that the screen is constantly moving and not really 100% steady. I am not sure if it is something I can/will get used to over time but I am willing to give it a try for a few days.
I am also almost certain that I don't have a hypersensitivity of some sorts but rather that all Nexus 6P phones have this issue just that most of the people don't really notice it.
I'd love to hear from others about if they see it
It's normal, it's caused by PWM. I don't notice it much on my 6P,my Note 4 had it much worse. Some people are more aware of it than others and seem more succepatble to seeing it.
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It's normal, it's caused by PWM. I don't notice it much on my 6P,my Note 4 had it much worse. Some people are more aware of it than others and seem more succepatble to seeing it.
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Thanks nice to hear that it is "normal" i was worried i had a defective unit
So you are saying if you really pay attention to it, you WILL notice some of it for ANY person, right?
I have a Galaxy S6 and I have not noticed it there. Does that mean that the S6 is not using PWM ?
Thanks
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Thanks nice to hear that it is "normal" i was worried i had a defective unit
So you are saying if you really pay attention to it, you WILL notice some of it for ANY person, right?
I have a Galaxy S6 and I have not noticed it there. Does that mean that the S6 is not using PWM ?
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I think the S6 uses it also but some phones seem worse than others. As I said, I can see my 6P a little but my Note 4 was worse, I could see the flicker all the time.
I just checked my S6 for the issue (side by side with the 6P) and I can say with confidence that the S6 does not have the issue AT ALL. The screen does not flicker in peripheral vision and as a result appears steadier and calmer in general.
If i hold a video camera over each screen I can see scan-lines moving diagonally upward in regular intervals/spacing which both phones, however the lines are stronger and more visible with the 6P Screen. Which in my humble option explain why I am noticing this effect. I am just not sure if something like that warrants the effort of returning or swapping out my 6P
It doesn't really bother me but knowing that maybe other 6P devices have it less makes me think because I shelled out 699€ for it....
What would you do?
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I just checked my S6 for the issue (side by side with the 6P) and I can say with confidence that the S6 does not have the issue AT ALL. The screen does not flicker in peripheral vision and as a result appears steadier and calmer in general.
If i hold a video camera over each screen I can see scan-lines moving diagonally upward in regular intervals/spacing which both phones, however the lines are stronger and more visible with the 6P Screen. Which in my humble option explain why I am noticing this effect. I am just not sure if something like that warrants the effort of returning or swapping out my 6P
It doesn't really bother me but knowing that maybe other 6P devices have it less makes me think because I shelled out 699€ for it....
What would you do?
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Does it get worse on the 6P when you turn the brightness down? How about on the S6, if you turn the brightness down (which should exemplify the PWM issue) does it have the same effect as the 6P?
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Does it get worse on the 6P when you turn the brightness down? How about on the S6, if you turn the brightness down (which should exemplify the PWM issue) does it have the same effect as the 6P?
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Thanks for asking. When I turn the brightness down on the 6P it gets better; the effect is not noticeable anymore when it's set on 50% brightness. As soon as I have it on 100% I can see it from the corner of my eyes when set on a white background.
The question is really if I can expect it to be different on another 6P or if all the 6P's have this level of subtle "flickering" if I may call it.
I suspect the latter... and from this point of view it doesn't make sense to swap it out. if you are able to notice it ever so slightly on your device then changes are that it is present on all devices and that the 6P just has it more than for example the Samsung S6 because on the sammy I can't notice it at all, even on full or low brightness for that matter.
As you've said , if it were a PWM issue, It would worsen with low brightness, correct? In my case it worsens with high brightness. So what really is it then?
Quick question... Under normal day-to-day usage, you look at your screen out of the corner of your eyes and have the brightness set at 100%?
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Quick question... Under normal day-to-day usage, you look at your screen out of the corner of your eyes and have the brightness set at 100%?
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You're asking the right questions here and the answer is no to both ?
However I hope your can understand my concern because in the beginning nothing is more important than having a flawless device to my very rigid mind.
Also im worries that the screen in general is not calm as compared to other models such as the s6. Basically that since the flicker is present I might still perceive it even when looking straight at the screen.
I decided to order another 6P to be able to compare the 2 and see if the issue persists on the new device. Depending on the outcome I will keep one or return both. The flickering is really evident and IMO unacceptable for a device with this pricetag.
I am not sure if this is the same thing, but see the flicker in the attached video. It's at 5th,10th and 15th seconds. But then I checked it on Galaxy S4 and see it there as well. I don't notice it in any other screen. May be NBA app is causing it.
https://youtu.be/wtAiMt32GfI
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I am not sure if this is the same thing, but see the flicker in the attached video. It's at 5th,10th and 15th seconds. But then I checked it on Galaxy S4 and see it there as well. I don't notice it in any other screen. May be NBA app is causing it.
https://youtu.be/wtAiMt32GfI
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that is indeed odd. I think the app is causing it
I am just surprised that noone else has noticed the flickering as i described above. It is quite evident when you hold the phone in front of your face and look at something in the room. I wish others would give me some feedback on it
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I am just surprised that noone else has noticed the flickering as i described above. It is quite evident when you hold the phone in front of your face and look at something in the room. I wish others would give me some feedback on it
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I have been searching for someone, anyone, who has this issue as I do. Everything you said previously, I experience as well. I've had a 6p since November, and the flickering was there from day one. It's easy to notice at >50% brightness on white or greenish screens. Less so on red and blue. It's something I've gotten somewhat used to, but sometimes it really bugs me. Have you had any success with trying things?
I have recorded the screens of the 6p and 5x. The difference and flicker of the 6p is clear.
Nexus 6p: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEA41Uoehkg
Nexus 5x: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCMEvUsA0TQ