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Leaving world of X10i for Galaxy S - some thoughts briefly!

Hi guys,
Thanks so much to all the devs and members here who've posted tips, workarounds, rooting tools, and now custom roms for the X10i.
Your contributions have made the X10i a great device to use, particularly the JVM and multi-touch work.
I had my X10i since August last year from brand new.
Unfortunately yesterday I dropped a heavy mountain bike pedal on it from a 1metre height which smashed the top-right of the screen. The touch panel still worked, but it started rebooting continuously (4x in a row at one point) and was beyond repair.
I'd always had rebooting issues (2-3x per week) but this somehow had made it considerably worse.
Insurance has let me buy a Galaxy S (I9000) for an extra NZ$57.
I'd like to say that the X10i had a considerably sharper and more detailed screen than the Galaxy S. This is immediately obvious.
The X10i felt far more solid. The Galaxy S feels a lot cheaper.
However, I'm really enjoying the responsiveness of the Galaxy S (after rooting etc) and it feels several times faster than the X10i.
Android 2.2 is great. It's really good news SE is upgrading the X10i to 2.3.
So again - thanks - see you on Gingerbread!
Cheers
Aidan

By the way two of my accessories for the X10i are going free here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13077136#post13077136
Only if you're in New Zealand though! (postage costs)

awojtas said:
Hi guys,
Thanks so much to all the devs and members here who've posted tips, workarounds, rooting tools, and now custom roms for the X10i.
Your contributions have made the X10i a great device to use, particularly the JVM and multi-touch work.
I had my X10i since August last year from brand new.
Unfortunately yesterday I dropped a heavy mountain bike pedal on it from a 1metre height which smashed the top-right of the screen. The touch panel still worked, but it started rebooting continuously (4x in a row at one point) and was beyond repair.
I'd always had rebooting issues (2-3x per week) but this somehow had made it considerably worse.
Insurance has let me buy a Galaxy S (I9000) for an extra NZ$57.
I'd like to say that the X10i had a considerably sharper and more detailed screen than the Galaxy S. This is immediately obvious.
The X10i felt far more solid. The Galaxy S feels a lot cheaper.
However, I'm really enjoying the responsiveness of the Galaxy S (after rooting etc) and it feels several times faster than the X10i.
Android 2.2 is great. It's really good news SE is upgrading the X10i to 2.3.
So again - thanks - see you on Gingerbread!
Cheers
Aidan
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Bad time to have a accident! New phones are just around the corner. I am personally hanging on to my X10 until Galaxy SII comes out.

Totally agree.. wish I was getting an Arc as a replacement or Galaxy S2 as you say... but here in New Zealand we're often a few months behind the rest of the world and I needed the phone replaced soon... :-(

My friend has a captivate.
it's a good phone.
it definitely feels cheap though,
But its strong.
I've seen out dropped and stepped on.
The touch screen is much better.
You really should have held out for just a bit longer.
I'm holding out for the xperia play.
Wish it had hdmi out though.
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do what you think is best I understand why cause of how long they took to update the x10 but they now have the arc and play out which are great phones

markstaylorx said:
do what you think is best I understand why cause of how long they took to update the x10 but they now have the arc and play out which are great phones
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All the reviews I've read beg to differ, especially the play which supposedly has a horrible screen

Hiii
Firstly I got to say since the first time I held An X10 I fell in love and I wuldnt change for the world
But my Sister recently had a Galaxy S as a new phone and for the first time I'm actually jealous.
Good luck mate cuz the Galaxy S Is a BRILLIANT phone and I wish you all the best.....

Yeah I second that ;-) enjoy the upgrade.
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I had a captivate and then sold it and switched around and found my white x10. Honestly, when you have a good custom ROM on the x10, its speed is comparable to the Galaxy S (though I do have to admit the captivate I had was slightly faster).
I am someone who makes use of the camera on a phone, the x10 camera is seriously great and one of the reasons why I would pick x10 over GS. Second, is style, x10 is sexy, we all know this.
In terms of customizations, the Galaxy S series are more triumphant in this regard.
Good luck with your Galaxy S!

I spent hours and hours at times customising my X10i. I loaded different froms, JITted it numerous times, played with build.props and all - and I'd honestly say the Galaxy S is dramatically quicker still, even after I've now loaded most of the same apps onto it.
The screen feels more sensitive. The graphics are smoother. Loading apps is dramatically quicker.
I never felt the X10i's screen was accurate, like it was calibrated right, but if you used a Paint app and tried to draw straight corner-to-corner lines they were wiggly as anything. This meant sometimes clicking buttons, apps or typing was a little frustrating as you would have to top often slightly above the button.
The Galaxy S's camera is better and worse than the X10i.
Better: no stupid purple/green tinges when the picture is low contrast; it's way faster; the colours are more realistic. 30fps for 720p is really nice.
Worse: The resolution is definitely worse! The X10's camera eats the Samsung's 5mp in terms of resolution whether a bright outdoors photo or even high-ISO low-light indoors. There is also no auto-focus during video on the Galaxy S
If you're reading this and considering a Galaxy S, the things I miss are:
- LED notification (fix: NoLED, uses the AMOLED screen to display notifications instead. Seems okay.)
- Hardware camera button
- The weight of the X10, it felt like it was made better
- 8mp camera and video auto-focus
- SonyEricsson's UI overlay actually was pretty cool (not talking about Timescape here!)
The things I would never go back to the X10 for, that I like on the Galaxy:
- Speed.
- Touch screen that is accurate
- The extra RAM, built-in storage, etc.
- The better battery life (about 30-50% better so far)
- Thinness and lightness are quite nice actually.
I will probably come back to SE for the Arc - the camera and style really appeal to me.
I don't play games so the Play doesn't float my boat.
If anything, I used to sneer at Galaxy's as they looked "cheap". Now, I am thoroughly glad I changed and would definitely consider a Samsung phone as my next phone to be compared with SE Arc or Neo.
They're both great devices overall and have pros and cons of each.

I think the reason the galaxy feels much quicker than the x10 is because of the fps limit on the x10. When I tried the custom kernel that removed the fps cap the phone was sooooo much smoother, and just as smooth as my friend's galaxy s. But congrats on your new phone, I hope you enjoy it a lot !!!

I agree the Galaxy S is the better of the 2. I've had my friends Galaxy S here when I just had my X10 brand new (2 months ago) and both had stock ROM (2.2 on Galaxy, 2.1 on X10) and the Galaxy was superior.
Later I started using Wolfbreaks 2.2 ROM and that greatly increased the X10's performance but still it wasn't anywhere near the Galaxy, and that thing was still running stock.
I for one never had any regret getting the X10, mainly because of the price difference. I got mine using my moms phone plan because she didn't need a new one and I wanted to get rid of my W995. It costs me a total of €15x12 months = €180 in total for a brand new X10. The Galaxy would've been at least twice that amount.

Galaxy has superior gpu, screen & most obviously the software on a stock Froyo GS is miles ahead of Eclair with the Android platform and further the Samsung app quality is of a greater standard than Sony's.
16GB Internal storage and 32GB additional SDcard is always giving a huge benefit but the main point for me is the quality of the software, battery life, speed.. everything about a Galaxy S is better and the camera is damn good. Video calling is excellent!
What really surprised me, Sony invented the Walkman and Beta. So naturally I expected the sound to be better on a Sony, so wrong. Samsung is much clearer and more defined, as for the screen & gpu on the Galaxy it's impossible to even put the X10 beside it, like comparing analogue to HD with the X10 clearly made of infantile components, compared to the same company who delivered the Nexus S and for good reason.
Sony admitted to making mistakes with the X10 and using a Galaxy for a day, they become very clear and that is before you need to even consider modifications to the Galaxy. For the X10 it's impossible to get any quality from the device, without running a fully customized rom, kernel and apps... which I hope for the future Xperia devices is resolved but with device's like the Atrix and Galaxy 2 on the market at the same price, there isn't even a chance you could sway me towards another Xperia.
Play looks good for kid's, but if I wanted a PSX it's much cheaper to buy one, after all how many 10yr Old kids need smartphones?
Same applied when I bought a new camera and this time, it wasn't a Sony cybershot because Nikon & Canon have that one well covered. Sony & smartphones aren't even closely related in my opinion and trying to be a Jack of all trades has shown them as masters of none, at least for the X10, Arc, Neo, Play.. perhaps that's going to change with the Pro and I really hope they take their exceptional hardware skills and get up to speed with software in the future.
The design of Sony is fantastic. Hopefully the future sees them shine in Android.
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I do think the 2.3.3 update will solve a lot of annoyances but yes, you'd probably still need some good custom ROMs to get anywhere near todays high-end smartphones. I agree with you on the sound quality. Where my Sony Ericsson W995 is still the phone with the most superior sound quality, it went downhill with the smartphones.
SE did present their new walkman smartphone the other day though, the W8. Although it's basicly a rebranded X8 this may be signs that SE doesn't wanna drop the Walkman line yet and that might be good for us in the future.

Atrix IMHO changes the game entirely. What I'd be looking at if I was Sony, is that concept with their lessons learned from the X10. They really have great looking hardware and I expected too much with the X10. Completely agree with Gingerbread and 2.3.3 upgrade, will go miles in improving the device.
The real issue isn't Android versions, it's the restrictions imposed by the bootloader. Lacking sources for the Framework and customer apps like Timescape etc, is something Samsung, Motorola and HTC all suffer from.
With recent developments, opening the boot loader web service and choosing to upgrade to 2.3.3, it may provide Sony an edge over Samsung, Motorola and HTC if they were bold enough to make such a move and release sources to core services, Framework, Contacts and Timescape, opposed to the plugin architechture.. actual sources!
Garmin / Asus make affordable Androids but to be honest in comparing software, Asus beats Rachel, provide sources for development and have faith, there are brilliant mind's with time and idea's that no amount of money can buy.
If anyone has an X10 or Arc they can part with, I need one as I never was able to complete some of the AOSP work I was doing and would be very happy to hear in a PM if this may be you
What upset me about having been given a Galaxy S, is I'm no longer able to develop for XDA without having one to work with. I felt a part of something with XDA & developing for the X10 which, now is gone.. :-(
For all it's shortcomings, I miss my X10 and loosing it, has left a space nothing will ever fill - lol - awww haha..
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MrHassell said:
Atrix IMHO changes the game entirely. What I'd be looking at if I was Sony, is that concept with their lessons learned from the X10. They really have great looking hardware and I expected too much with the X10. Completely agree with Gingerbread and 2.3.3 upgrade, will go miles in improving the device.
The real issue isn't Android versions, it's the restrictions imposed by the bootloader. Lacking sources for the Framework and customer apps like Timescape etc, is something Samsung, Motorola and HTC all suffer from.
With recent developments, opening the boot loader web service and choosing to upgrade to 2.3.3, it may provide Sony an edge over Samsung, Motorola and HTC if they were bold enough to make such a move and release sources to core services, Framework, Contacts and Timescape, opposed to the plugin architechture.. actual sources!
Garmin / Asus make affordable Androids but to be honest in comparing software, Asus beats Rachel, provide sources for development and have faith, there are brilliant mind's with time and idea's that no amount of money can buy.
If anyone has an X10 or Arc they can part with, I need one as I never was able to complete some of the AOSP work I was doing and would be very happy to hear in a PM if this may be you
What upset me about having been given a Galaxy S, is I'm no longer able to develop for XDA without having one to work with. I felt a part of something with XDA & developing for the X10 which, now is gone.. :-(
For all it's shortcomings, I miss my X10 and loosing it, has left a space nothing will ever fill - lol - awww haha..
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good luck ,,........

[Q] Should I buy?

I am wondring if I should buy the Xperia arc S now, or should I wait for the next generation in this price range.
What do you think?

Really. THERE LIKE 100 people making the exact threads everyday.
Can't you search for someone asking the same question???

It may be an old threads ...
Yes :-
1-Clear display
2-HDMI
3-Awesome speaker
4-sexy design
5-The Best camera phone. (not better than xperia s)
6-Will recive ICS update officially.
7-good battery life
8-noise cancelling mic
No:-
1- Became Old cause most of new android devices are dual core and quad.
2-Lags alot with ICS .
3-Not good for HD games even when using GB.
4-Overheat from the back when playing games or surfing the web using DATA.
5-when you speak the other side (who listing to you) will hear your voice repeated specially when using the speaker.
6-Less custom roms ( seriously that's why i started making my own roms) than Galaxy or htc users.
*So it depends on you whether you wants high performance device for gaming and fast picture shooting or not .

Don't do it.
It's too old
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I want to break some myths about the Xperia S. The screen is .1 inches bigger but the phone is massively bigger due to the screen bezel and the antenna design and does not feel good in hand. The material feels quite cheap for some reason. The Arc isnt a solid phone but feels more solid and is thinner and lighter. I have been using one form of ICS or another since December with Arc (not S) and its as stable and fast as it ever was with GB. The official ICS ROM will make for even better custom ROMs. The camera is marginally better on the S but is not the best by 2012 standards. I hate the feel of capacitive buttons on the S but I guess ICS on screen buttons would take care of that.
The Arc S is a good phone for its current price but I expect development to slow down in a few more months as more and more developers are upgrading hardware. The One X and the One S is definitely the bar right now. The screens, construction, processors and camera are all the best on the market. I have Sony everything so its hard for me to exit the brand so I'm keeping my Arc for one more year but for others, the One is the upgrade for 2012.
I have played with all of the phones above and Arc overclocked feels the same as S.
One S is better in almost every way vs Xperia S. The feel in hand to the performance. The construction is superb aircraft grade aluminum treated to a very nice finish. The only thing you'll miss is NFC but its still not mainstream with enough practical applications right now (it takes two hands to clap). The super AMOLED is not an issue coming from a lower resolution Arc and is a superb screen despite reviews.
One X is hands down the best phone I have ever played with. There are only two things inferior to the One S and thats battery and finish. Its still gorilla glassed front with ultra high impact-resisting polycarbonate, which is very strong and solid but something about that black aluminum magic is so sexy about the One S.
Either get one of the Ones or Arc S. I cant recommend the Xperia S to anyone.

hellocng said:
The Arc S is a good phone for its current price but I expect development to slow down in a few more months as more and more developers are upgrading hardware. The One X and the One S is definitely the bar right now. The screens, construction, processors and camera are all the best on the market. I have Sony everything so its hard for me to exit the brand so I'm keeping my Arc for one more year but for others, the One is the upgrade for 2012.
I have played with all of the phones above and Arc overclocked feels the same as S.
One S is better in almost every way vs Xperia S. The feel in hand to the performance. The construction is superb aircraft grade aluminum treated to a very nice finish. The only thing you'll miss is NFC but its still not mainstream with enough practical applications right now (it takes two hands to clap). The super AMOLED is not an issue coming from a lower resolution Arc and is a superb screen despite reviews.
One X is hands down the best phone I have ever played with. There are only two things inferior to the One S and thats battery and finish. Its still gorilla glassed front with ultra high impact-resisting polycarbonate, which is very strong and solid but something about that black aluminum magic is so sexy about the One S.
Either get one of the Ones or Arc S. I cant recommend the Xperia S to anyone.
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I didn't want to say get the (htc one x) so the people in this forum doesn't think that i support htc or whatever ... otherwise wait for galaxy s3
I recomend if you still want to buy an arc then get a used one ... so you don't lose too much when you replace it with another phone later .

hemo1001 said:
No:-
2-Lags alot with ICS .
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I strongly disagree with this point. With the final update, it will be at least as smooth as GB if not faster. The ICS beta is laggy because of the incomplete/unoptimized 2D acceleration implementation.

hemo1001 said:
No:-
1- Became Old cause most of new android devices are dual core and quad.
2-Lags alot with ICS .
3-Not good for HD games even when using GB.
4-Overheat from the back when playing games or surfing the web using DATA.
5-when you speak the other side (who listing to you) will hear your voice repeated specially when using the speaker.
6-Less custom roms ( seriously that's why i started making my own roms) than Galaxy or htc users.
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I strongly disagree with most of your points.
1. It depends on what you really need and fit best your needs.
2. You can't even know because there is no official ICS yet.
3. Well it is good enough for HD games. Name one, which doesn't run smooth? I can play GTAIII and MC3 smooth (I don't need anymore ).
4. Every phone heats, you just feel it a little bit more because of the thinness. GS2 users whine about that too.
5. Surely not with normal mic, and for the speaker, I personally don't know any device, which has really good speakers.
6. Less custom ROMs? In Samsung and HTC forums there are only more ROMs, because 80% are stock-based. Do you really need that?
@OP: As I said it depends on what you really need. I am very happy with my Arc S.
BTW: Next time you could search and post your question in Q&A.

dp94 said:
@OP: As I said it depends on what you really need. I am very happy with my Arc S.
BTW: Next time you could search and post your question in Q&A.
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1- Agree maybe i should wait then judge the Arc s with the official ICS hoping it will become better .
2-GTAIII is playable but with few glitches ...
* I used to be happy with my arc but not after i saw the benchmarking of GSII ... And the face unlocking on ICS .

I'd say Arc S is one of the best phones in that price range. I admit the processor and GPU are kinda crappy, but it's still capable of running HD games(such as Asphalt 6, MC3, GTA3 etc.) without noticable lag!
Arc has a lot of custom roms. Phones like i9000 has more roms, but why do we need hundreds of different roms, because we all know that only some of them are good!
One thing I really love in my Arc is the screen! It's large enough(Frankly, I think larger would be too big), it has good resolution, and it hard to damage(it is more scratch-resistant than ie. Gorilla Glass).
And don't you say ICS is laggy! They haven't even released the final build! I believe Arc has a good potential of running ICS.

hemo1001 said:
1- Agree maybe i should wait then judge the Arc s with the official ICS hoping it will become better .
2-GTAIII is playable but with few glitches ...
* I used to be happy with my arc but not after i saw the benchmarking of GSII ... And the face unlocking on ICS .
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1. I am sure Sony won't release some laggy ****. We should be way more happy with Sony for even releasing a alpha/beta version.
2. IMO, It depends on the ROM. I haven't had any on CM7 and stock based ROM like Arconium.

But still it hasn't enough RAM, apps need more and more RAM.
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Motorola Atrix

if u wanna a phone, a good looking phone, with good call quality,camera and sound yes u should, but don't expect it to do any heavy lifting like crazy multitasking or graphic intence gaming..

well,i sold my HTC Evo 3D two days ago and iam using my old Arc For now.
coming from Evo i feel some lag in games but homescreen feels same.overall i dont see much difference in performance(i mean real life performance not benchmarks) but if you are a power user dont get this if you want a overall good smartphone with good camera Arc is pretty cheap now.go for it

My wife is going to kill me...

...because I just bought a white Xperia arc S on eBay as I miss my old one so much.
The question is whether I'll keep my new Nexus 4 or not as if I'm completely honest I'm not that happy with it. The camera is rubbish, I have serious WiFi issues ... but my biggest concern is the glass back - I dropped my old arc S about half a dozen times and it suffered no damage whatsoever but if I drop my N4 it's going to smash. Yes, I could get a case for it but it's already huge - too big really. I bought the official bumper but my headphones won't fit when it's on and it makes it almost impossible to use one-handed.
I must be mad right? But I think this rush to larger screens on high-end phones is a mistake. Nearly all the rumoured high-end 2013 Android devices are going to have a 5" 1080p screen which is just too big. I was tempted to try the Acer S500 but Acer have a terrible reputation for crappy hardware and poor support. I saw a mint condition arc S on eBay last night and just couldn't resist it.
Maybe I'll keep both and use the arc S for messing with ROMs, etc.
And do know something else that bugs me - people in this arc forum are generally helpful and polite, treating "noobs" with respect. Over in the N4 forum it is completely different - God help you if you ask something they deem a "stupid" question as they'll rip you to pieces. Very sad.
Despite Sony not coming through with JB, despite housing cracks, despite poor ICS performance, low memory, low storage space, I still think the arc S is a GREAT phone. The design is second-to-none, you can swap the battery, you can use an SD card, you can listen to FM radio, the screen is excellent and the camera compared to the N4 is in a different league. Plus I got myself a Nexus 7 back in the summer so my smartphone needs have changed somewhat - gaming for example is something I only do on the N7 now.
So there you have it. The grass isn't always greener on the other side!

Honesty can't get any better than this.
I'm feeling the same way about my arc S, believe me. I have a feeling that I will use it as long as possible, and even after I get another phone, I doubt, very much, that I will ever sell this one.
This beauty is not yet matched, and I doubt it will be matched any time soon.
You know, I have this friend of mine, not very tech educated, but he likes to spend money on new tech gadgets, because he can.
Up untill few days ago, he was having HTC Evo 3D, and he always played with my phone, telling that it's the most beautiful phone he ever saw. Now he bought iPhone 4S to "test it a little bit", and he still plays with my phone every time we go out on coffee. He is looking arc S from every angle like for dozens of times, and keeps repeating that it's the most beautiful phone ever designed.
He never opted to buy it because then it wouldn't be "status symbol" he is carying around, but it's enough for me to see with what desire he is looking at my phone.
And he is not the only one. My other friends, using other phones/brands, share the same opinion about arc S.
It is repeated for thousands of times already, that build quality could be better (and it could, indeed), but design is yet to be matched. And judging by actual trends in smartphone designs (Sony included), like creating lifeless boring plates, I doub't that any time soon we will see an original and sexy design like with Xperia arc/S.
And, congratulations on your new white arc S. :good:

mr_torture said:
Honesty can't get any better than this.
And, congratulations on your new white arc S. :good:
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Thanks.
And if I had of posted something like this on the N4 forum it would already be full of insulting replies.

rec71 said:
...because I just bought a white Xperia arc S on eBay as I miss my old one so much.
Despite Sony not coming through with JB, despite housing cracks, despite poor ICS performance, low memory, low storage space, I still think the arc S is a GREAT phone. The design is second-to-none, you can swap the battery, you can use an SD card, you can listen to FM radio, the screen is excellent and the camera compared to the N4 is in a different league. Plus I got myself a Nexus 7 back in the summer so my smartphone needs have changed somewhat - gaming for example is something I only do on the N7 now for example.
So there you have it. The grass isn't always greener on the other side!
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I still have my original arc, which is getting on for two years old now (housing replaced under warranty) and as like yourself was going to upgrade to the N4, but reading this had made me think twice about it. I also bought a nexus 7 back in July which covers most of my needs gaming, movies, skygo etc.
Cheers for posting your thoughts, it sounds like we have similar tastes in gadgets, so i think for now my arc shall suffice. Maybe a reduction in my line rental is the way to go.

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But I think this rush to larger screens on high-end phones is a mistake.
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+1 I just don't get it, bigger Phones are a step backwards imo and everyone seems to be jumping on the bandwagon. I sold my Arc to buy a Ray because it does everything I required from my Arc but I just craved the compactness as the even the Arc was just a little too big in the pocket and it's like going from my old Nokia 3210 to an 8210. My actual upgrade isn't due until April but with Sony's current line up of Phones I'm struggling to decide what I might upgrade to as they're all just too big or too ugly for my liking.
Something between the Ray and the Arc (the two most beautiful devices I have ever owned) with the same kind of sleek design as both would be right up my street. The novelty factor of just how beautiful the Ray is hasn't worn off as I still do what mr tortures friend does and pick it up just to admire it lol.

From usability point, when holding with one hand and using it, going above 4.2 inch is nonsense.
I loaded mine with almost 2GB (a2sd on stock kernel with disabled zram) and still happily running.
Kind Regards, vr.
PS: Since this is your second come back, you have to stay at least entire next year?!

vr5411 said:
PS: Since this is your second come back, you have to stay at least entire next year?!
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Yes! I promise. I'm actually going to try stock (rooted though) GB for a bit.
For those that don't know I used an Xperia S for a while earlier this year (wife kindly swapped for my arc S) and I bid this forum goodbye. And I hated it. My wife has it back now. The camera is good but those horrible soft buttons... what were Sony thinking? lol.
I have to say it again - the community around here is superb.

XperienceD said:
+1 I just don't get it, bigger Phones are a step backwards imo and everyone seems to be jumping on the bandwagon. I sold my Arc to buy a Ray because it does everything I required from my Arc but I just craved the compactness as the even the Arc was just a little too big in the pocket and it's like going from my old Nokia 3210 to an 8210. My actual upgrade isn't due until April but with Sony's current line up of Phones I'm struggling to decide what I might upgrade to as they're all just too big or too ugly for my liking.
Something between the Ray and the Arc (the two most beautiful devices I have ever owned) with the same kind of sleek design as both would be right up my street. The novelty factor of just how beautiful the Ray is hasn't worn off as I still do what mr tortures friend does and pick it up just to admire it lol.
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Sony Xperia V perhaps?
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-v/

The V isn't available in the UK
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Same here, i switch to a xperia ion recently but still find myself preferring my good old arc s. Hope the upcoming update can finally fix the bad lag on arc s wif ICS
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Man Im loving my N4 but I still miss my gorgeous white arc s, I gave it to my gf so I can use it whenever I want, but the N4 rocks
I also think that the arc s is a great phone but the n4 is better no matter how much we love the arc s, I wish sony make the arc again with 4 cores and the exactly same desing maybe name it xperia arc X... It will be great
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I too was thinking on getting N4 but for what? Do I really need a faster phone? (I'm on KXP JB and it flies) I don't even use it on full capacity so why getting a new phone? I love my Arc S and I'll keep it for at least another year!
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It arrived this morning and as promised by the seller it is in MINT condition. Not a single blemish or scratch and the white case ... omg ... it is so much nicer than the midnight blue one I had before.
So happy.
Next step is to sell my N4 before I tell my wife. I hate selling on eBay so I need to check the XDA rules on selling I guess. I don't want to make any money so perhaps I should just post something over in the N4 forum and ask people to PM me? Does anyone have any experience with this sort of thing?

I think new XDA rules is not allowed to sell buddy they removed marketplace section aswell. But maybe if you do it privately with someone on here who has good reputation with many thanks itll be safe. Make sure you do PM
Anyone tried new 4.2.1 ROM feels so smooth. Not sure which is better that or beautiful ICS

Last week I went to a mobile store to sell my Arc S...But when he was ready to take it I just backed off..I couldnt sell it at all! It was really emotional situation. Hence I have decided to never my Arc S..Its the best phone ever...its like a girlfriend man...smart..sexy..kinda slow(lazy)..delicate..

Same here. Bought myself an HTC one x seeing as I've had this phone since last May, but I don't want to stop using my arc. It's pretty gubbed and has no sound and weak WiFi due to a couple of facia replacements going wrong, but I just can't put it in the drawer. My Mrs said I should recycle it but that would be sacrilege(in my eyes anyway), so now I'm tinkering with 2 phones. Possibly grounds for divorce...

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It's pretty gubbed...
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Gubbed? Brilliant. I have a few mates up in your neck of the woods (Cumbernauld) but have never heard that one before!

I had an iPhone 3G up until 11 months ago, decided I needed a new phone, I tend to keep phones for 3 years, so coming up to a year now, the only thing that annoys me is phones have changed quite a bit in specifications, And its easy to trick myself into needing a new phone. But I love my white Arc S, and it's capable of all day to day needs, I don't play many games because they do my head in with the touch screen, trying to make console-like games... Anyway. Running Xperia Ultimate HD 2.0.2 Rom, it's ICS based and really nice and fast, probably the best ICS Rom, and will keep the phone running smooth for ages.
Keep us updated with what you do with it. (basically use the forum
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I just loaded it up with MP3s (via a 32GB microSD card) and wow, I'd forgotten how good the audio quality was ... really excellent. The N4 is pretty good too but the volume is weak and the arc packs a lot more bass. I just tried the same tracks on both phones with my semi-decent Sennheiser headphones and the arc definitely sounds better to my middle-aged ears.
I've flashed GB for a giggle. I don't think I'll last long though and I'll probably flash the upcoming 4.1.B.1.13 release as soon as it's available.
I still haven't told my wife. ha ha ha.

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I just loaded it up with MP3s (via a 32GB microSD card) and wow, I'd forgotten how good the audio quality was ... really excellent. The N4 is pretty good too but the volume is weak and the arc packs a lot more bass. I just tried the same tracks on both phones with my semi-decent Sennheiser headphones and the arc definitely sounds better to my middle-aged ears.
I've flashed GB for a giggle. I don't think I'll last long though and I'll probably flash the upcoming 4.1.B.1.13 release as soon as it's available.
I still haven't told my wife. ha ha ha.
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Man this is a must-have mod for the Nexus 4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2025486
Try it
I can't sell my arc s too, is like selling a son
*the arc s was silver, now is white

Why I chose Sony

My main reasons were the beautiful physical design on the phone but more importantly the software and UX. But recently Punit Soni, Software Product Management at Motorola, went over Motorola’s tenets when it comes to software development on Android and two of them ironically enough described why I like Sony, even though he was talking about Motorola phones. Here's the 2 that stood out:
1. Ensure that we build on a foundation of pure Android
MotoBlur’s long gone. Expect the user interface on all new Motorola Android devices to look and feel like “stock” Android - not far off from a Nexus or a Google Play edition device. Motorola doesn’t want to take over the Android interface.
2. Build experiences that compliment Android and Google services, not compete with them.
I realized after reading this that this is more or less the same direction Sony has chosen to take as well. Good for them! :good:

Why I chose Z1 (Sony)
- Most premium feeling smartphone in my opinion:
The 1 piece aluminum body with glass on front and back looks and feels so premium, also a slightly heavier weighing phone is a big addition to me in this department. I don't like very light phones.
- Sony firmware:
By far the most beautiful UI. Sony theming is really beautiful, the media apps upto settings, home launcher etc everything just fits. It makes vanilla android look boring to be honest.
- Long software support:
Sony doesn't abandons support for phones too fast nowadays, it's great to see how T , TX, V will still receive 4.3 and get a lot of new features.
- Updates which introduce something new every time:
When you receive a major update from Sony (4.2 to 4.3 for example) they always introduce some nice and new features. Most of them aren't even gimmicks like Samsung for example.
- less devs so more fun and challenges for me and other devs
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:good:

Why I chose Sony...
1. Build Quality
2. Screen ( I actually love it and the viewing angles don't bother Me)
3. Connectivity with the Sony eco system
4. Software. I love their UI
I came from HTC (which I loved) and before that Samsung (which I hated)... And now with Sony I've never been happier!
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Why I chose Sony?
1. The Sony convergence. From Bravia, to Cybershot, Walkman, to Playstation, all of the Sony's in-house technologies in the power of one.
2. Build quality. Although I was bothered on my Xperia Arc days when there are a lot of paint chippings on my silver cover,
3. Sony's Android development. Every Android iteration from Sony introduces new (but helpful) features. From ICS (Album, Walkman and Movies integration), to Jelly Bean 4.1 (although Small Apps were introduced post-ICS days of T,TX and V), to 4.2 (new lockscreen and ecosystem), to 4.3 (Xperia themes and Xperia camera),
4. Last but not the least, I started with a Sony Ericsson T68i way back 2003, and I will end (not hopefully the soonest) with Sony

Why I choose Sony?
I don't know. I didn't figure it out yet. I think something is wrong with me!

I love Sony phones. Back 5-6 years ago, we all used Sony Ericsson phones. Everybody was telling me that they have the best camera. My girlfriend still have her Sony Ericsson k800i phone that had the best camera back then. Of course, with Xenon flash!
I chose Sony mobile phones for the main reason that I love the great and unique design. The software interface is also better looking (for me), than the stock Android interface.
For me, right now, Z1 have the best design that I've seen. We'll see in future.
Thanks!

krabappel2548 said:
Why I chose Z1 (Sony)
- Most premium feeling smartphone in my opinion:
The 1 piece aluminum body with glass on front and back looks and feels so premium, also a slightly heavier weighing phone is a big addition to me in this department. I don't like very light phones.
- Sony firmware:
By far the most beautiful UI. Sony theming is really beautiful, the media apps upto settings, home launcher etc everything just fits. It makes vanilla android look boring to be honest.
- Long software support:
Sony doesn't abandons support for phones too fast nowadays, it's great to see how T , TX, V will still receive 4.3 and get a lot of new features.
- Updates which introduce something new every time:
When you receive a major update from Sony (4.2 to 4.3 for example) they always introduce some nice and new features. Most of them aren't even gimmicks like Samsung for example.
- less devs so more fun and challenges for me and other devs
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Agree with you. The reasons why I recently switched from a Galaxy Note 3 (SM-N900) to the Sony Xperia Z1 (C6903) are:
Sony's device build quality starting from the Xperia Z are outstanding next only to the iPhone and Nokia Lumia designs
The device designs are not generic and cheap looking
The Sony Software UX is overall pretty good and WAY better than all other manufacturers especially Samsung and their Touchwiz UX. HTC is at par with Sony in Android Land
Plus, Samsung's recent region locking stupidity really tilted the odds against it. And, the nerve of these people to ask for close to US$ 70-80 for removing the lock and the device goes out of warranty once it is done. WTF? I bought the device and it's not subsidised by any carrier and I travel to different regions!!!! None of this is applicable to other manufacturers.
So, I guess the current best in terms of specs, handling and design and UX in android land is definitely the Xperia Z1. Followed by Z Ultra and HTC One (if we discount the Snapdragon 600).
Proud owner of Xperia Z1!

Camera, design and Software.
Camera - the best camera on any Android Smartphone if you give it a try.
Design - It's just beautiful
Software - No software gimmicks. Media apps are just awesome.

Well, I had to choose Sony since I lost my Galaxy Note 3 yesterday, and the Xperia Z1 was the best camera phone available (and it was cheap second-hand). Just bought it a few hours back, and I quite like the software's looks and performance. I hate the display though, it's so much behind compared to other flagships (viewing angles do matter to me, and Sony's displays just go bad in an instant at even small angles, I also don't like Sony isn't using Gorilla Glass), though it does look good when viewed straight. The camera isn't exactly great either (the Note 3's 13MP photos were better in that there was lots of detail in outdoor photos and very little to no noise) but it's certainly there at the top.
Hoping to stick it out with the Xperia Z1 for the months to come, let's see how it goes (I do love that Sony gives long support for updates, though I hope KitKat will come soon as it has on the competition's devices.)
Oh, and I also like the fact that Sony has brought back some amazingly useful things that manufacturers have forgotten in their quest to copy Apple and make things as inconvenient as possible, like a slot for a lanyard and the camera shutter button. Seriously, it's amazingly sad how these things have been ignored, especially the lanyard slot which makes protecting your phone while in use so much easier!

Just started using Z1 and i was on Samsung phone for many year. Never to buy Samsung in future. Looking for phone with water resistance, lanyards and the camera button so I choose Sony. It was outstanding among all other brands. I can upgrade/downgrade the software without problems. Well designed and came with 3000mah battery which can last me at lease 8 hours of heavy used, S4 only last me less then 5 hours. Now I rooted it with dual recovery and never gave me flash counter/know warranty void problems like Samsung phone . With xpose framework and gravity box, which made it very useful and enjoy! Cheers.
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I probably have the simplest reason:
It was the only phone in current gen with quad core, great camera, enough ram, AND MICRO SD!:laugh:

So I had an XZ and I loved it to death. Unfortunately the screen cracked, but I carried it to a repair guy, who repaired the screen...but damaged other stuff in the process -_-. He gave me a new Samsung S4 in replacement of my XZ....I was disappointed...the S4 was just not what I was used to in a Sony phone. Reading this thread encouraged me to sell that S4 plastic mess and I got my XZ1 yesterday....
1. The appearance of this phone...just sheer beauty, I have the white one. Was in town with it and people were just staring lol
2. The feel of it is like what people describe as "premium", but that word just doesn't justify the feel of this phone in my hand...have to make up another word for this.
3. The smoothness, speed and beauty of the UI is incredible. Every time I pick up my phone and use it I feel refreshed.
4. A freaking phone made me emotional!!!....

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4. A freaking phone made me emotional!!!....
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You know you're a nerd when you get emotional from phones :crying:
I actually understand it though. I've ordered myself an Xperia Z1 today and I can't wait to see how much of an upgrade it really is from my current Xperia S. I'm far from rich, but I really love Sony devices and the Xperia S just can't keep up with me. I figured I'd be able to afford it if I wouldn't buy anything else in the coming two years anymore :fingers-crossed:

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You know you're a nerd when you get emotional from phones :crying:
I actually understand it though. I've ordered myself an Xperia Z1 today and I can't wait to see how much of an upgrade it really is from my current Xperia S. I'm far from rich, but I really love Sony devices and the Xperia S just can't keep up with me. I figured I'd be able to afford it if I wouldn't buy anything else in the coming two years anymore :fingers-crossed:
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You certainly won't regret having the Z1! great phone... I love mine...

Why did you choose Xperia Z2?

Hi all, refer to the above let's discuss why you choose xperia z2 compare with others device.
is it because the design, Spec, price, sony fans or others.
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Simply because it's the best flagship on the market at the moment.

S5 sucked balls. It will be Z2 unless HTC suprises us with a monster in about 1 month.
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Just saw ARTICLE about new IPS screen and Sony finally have great and quality product.
I'm completely satisfied with my Z1 but if I get some interesting offer (like I got for Z1) I'll definitely try it.
Why?
Because, now, Z1 is ultimate device and Sony just upgraded it
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Because the Z2 is the best on the market just now, S5 rom is 8Gb compared to the Z2's 4Gb, plus Z2 has way more excellent specs. I don't care that Samsung maybe releasing a 64bit S5 later this year as I think it is too early for me to get into 64 bit phones just now; as infrastructure etc is not in place yet i.e. app devs have yet to jump on board. That is my opinion anyway...

Waterproofing
Micro SD slot
Front facing speakers
Great camera
And thankfully a big battery
Also simple things like a camera shutter button make this the best phone on the market atm.
BTW, would not touch the S5. The design combined with touchwiz is enough to put me off.

I had a Z, ZL and now Z1. Logical to have a Z2 next.
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Lost faith in Samsung with there handling of s3 updates plus had problems with them regarding other Samsung products. Been a fan of sony for a while now and its coming close to my phone upgrade and the Z2 currently looks like it. I have a few months to go so plenty of time to judge the competition and see what negatives might crop up about the z2.
As long as root is easily gained with minimal drawback Ill most likely be picking up the z2.
Plus the specs of this phone do look pretty good to me

Bigger battery, nicer look, wanted something that wasn't made by Samsung for once.
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Eye friendly...
I am one of the small amount percentage of population who seems to suffer from LED's displays... Sony triluminos display tech, seems to be benign on our eyes. At least sony Vaio Pro 13 and flip are better displays... This issue has years... Hope Z2 is really eye friendly to me too...
Seems spectrum of light of triluminos technology is more balanced. Not a huge blue spike on spectrum...
Here you could see a thread talking on LED's:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1677617?start=0&tstart=0
My HTC One is killing my eyes...
Cheers...

xz2
because of this past year i cannot trust Sony easily!
i love to buy Xperia Z2 IF all thing about display & ... be right!
if no two quality of display!
sharp display! jdc! OR all story like those!
It s ok if sony s using different company for display supplying BUT not different quality from each company.
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My first phone was the Motorola RAZR V3i and have been a loyal user since then with Moto Droid & Moto RAZR... just loved the premium build quality along with excellent specs. Beauty with brains! Loved the design of Xperia Z & Z1 but was hesitant to switch due to the screen quality as I'm spoiled by AMOLED on my RAZR.
But the Z2 seems like the only phone to be awesome inside & out with no drawbacks to give me second thoughts why not to buy it... (Size was a little concern but I can live with that)

It's either the htc one 2014 or z2. I'm going to buy on tmobile 's jump program if i do decide to get one of these puppies. The phone addict in me wants the latest and greatest, but honestly don't "need" one just yet since I have the N5.
I expect by Fall, everyone will update their SOCs with 64 bit cpus. Also hope that finger print unlock and pw will be supported more widely. Not to mention waterproof and 3GB of ram. These will be must have options.

bigbrown said:
It's either the htc one 2014 or z2. I'm going to buy on tmobile 's jump program if i do decide to get one of these puppies. The phone addict in me wants the latest and greatest, but honestly don't "need" one just yet since I have the N5.
I expect by Fall, everyone will update their SOCs with 64 bit cpus. Also hope that finger print unlock and pw will be supported more widely. Not to mention waterproof and 3GB of ram. These will be must have options.
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I also want to see what htc will bring to the table. I doubt it can match sony. Also would need a case since you can't get protection on the alu back.
I don't really see a need for 64 bit systems. What do you see 64 bit bring? Do phones need a new OS to match it? Will support for old systems stop?

We might not need it in the consumer space, but it's one of those things where if you can get it as a little to no-cost option, why not? I can envision a bunch of enterprise use cases like big data analytics and data visualization, not to mention phones/phablets/tablets with > 4gb of ram etc

I'm currently on a htc one x, my contract has 2 weeks on it, so I started looking. The galaxy s5 is a massive fail in my eyes, and I'm just getting bored with HTC. As soon as a saw a leak of sense 6 I knew I'd be bored. I'm going to miss BlinkFeed, but the look of the Z2 and the specs, plus noise cancelling and stereo speakers, as well as the camera (going on a once in a lifetime holiday in August), coupled with an sd card slot and waterproofing (11 pools in the resort), I think it'd be a crime not to go for the Z2. I am worried about the size a little bit, even tho I have big hands.

I have the HTC one and have very little complaints about it and the 2014 version looks promissing but that panel that used to have the capacitive buttons on it is still there but now it's just a logo. Idk why they would keep that. I hate wasted space and big bezels and I think the Z2 once I get Cyanogenmod running on it would be amazing

because the first android phone that i used was sony
sony phones are great in price , support in my country and dev's are supporting them great
and the most important one because sony phones are blazing fast and their software is useful and they don't have useless futures that only make your phone slower and they will eat your ram as hell
thats why i decided to buy sony z2

I love the design,
I love the software,
I love the camera,
I love the build quality,
I love the bigger battery,
I love front facing speakers,
And 3gb of Ram which the s5 don't have (besides I got the note 3, I dont need any more Samsung devices for now)
The Z2 and the note 3 will do me for now

mujj said:
Waterproofing
Micro SD slot
Front facing speakers
Great camera
And thankfully a big battery
Also simple things like a camera shutter button make this the best phone on the market atm.
BTW, would not touch the S5. The design combined with touchwiz is enough to put me off.
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All of the above + 3GB RAM is what sold me. It should also make this phone relevant for a while. Can't wait for the Z2 to arrive!