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If you had a choice would you buy the X10 again?

This is not a thread to bash or degrade the X10 at all in any way. I really like my X10 it's a great phone, I enjoy using it. Problem is my wife does as well.
So I gave her the phone because she need a good camera and something to watch movies etc with while on vacation.
So now I'm back with my rooted/hacked Magic which I like but not so much after using the X10. I was going to just buy another but wanted to be sure first, so to my question.
Anyone that has tried a different phone and moved to a X10 or has dropped the X10 for a different phone, whats the closest competitor or upgrade?
It has to be usable on Rogers 3g and can't be an Iphone, I will never own an apple product so that shouldn't be a debate.
Thanks for any feedback just want some options, maybe I already have the best one out there.

I would buy it again, I've even turned down an offer to trade mine in for a Desire. Only way I'd switch would be if there was a bigger Snapdragon version of the Legend available.
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X10 all the way
I would buy it again too. I just love the design, the camera, Mediascape and the screen. However I would be really tempted between the X10 and Galaxy S. The Galaxy S has an even better screen then our X10. However the Galaxy sucks design wise, I mean, it's just like an iFart 3G(S), even the menu looks the same. The Galaxy S feels a lot faster though. It just flies through all the different menus and screens.
So if you like me love the design, camera and Mediascape of the X10 , then buy it again. Otherwise I would take a good look at the Galaxy S.

X10 it is a wonderful phone, but this delay about android 2.1 and froyo annoys me...

I was looking through the specs on the Galaxy-S. Actually thought it would be a pretty nice phone till I actually saw it. And the fact it has a AMOLED screen, they seem blurry to me and way over saturated.
How does the Nexus compare, can't seem to see anything else that compares to the X10.

I will only exchange my X10 for a Droid X or dell Streak.
Droid X becuase it has similar specs (camera and bigger screen) and good firmware support. Dell Streak for the screen size and possibly 2.2 very soon.
But love my X10 for its camera, screen, Mediascape, Dialler, TrackID and lack of firmware update. You just cant beat that.

proatiku said:
I will only exchange my X10 for a Droid X or dell Streak.
Droid X becuase it has similar specs (camera and bigger screen) and good firmware support. Dell Streak for the screen size and possibly 2.2 very soon.
But love my X10 for its camera, screen, Mediascape, Dialler, TrackID and lack of firmware update. You just cant beat that.
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Thanks yes that was the other one I was thinking about just couldn't remember. The Droid X looks very nice, not big on the hardware keyboard but the rest of the specs look wicked and the looks itself I don't mind king of industrial. But I don't see that they have one for Rogers 3G bands (same as AT&T) It would be right on the top of my list if they have one that will work Rogers. Streak it very nice but getting into tablet size IMO.

I would buy it again.
I can overlook the 2.1 delay and no 2.2 in the near future.
I'm enjoying my first taste of Android.
The media capabilities are nice, video & audio are clear and smooth.
The processor is extremely quick.
I like the large screen.
I don't need a hardware keyboard.
It is less practical than winmo, but more entertainment oriented.
The camera is excellent.

I think you should wait a couple weeks and see what happens with flashing CM6 on the X10, if things go well then I'd go for another one for sure, otherwise choose something else.
Having said that, if you can't wait an additional few months lol, buy the AT&T Samsung Galaxy S Captivate...geeze mouthful or HTC Desire (which Telus will have in stock real soon and I think will work on Rogers 3G??) still imho one of, if not THE best phones on the market. And come October/November there will be even more great choices on the market...patience is a virtue

augie7107 said:
I would buy it again.
I can overlook the 2.1 delay and no 2.2 in the near future.
I'm enjoying my first taste of Android.
The media capabilities are nice, video & audio are clear and smooth.
The processor is extremely quick.
I like the large screen.
I don't need a hardware keyboard.
It is less practical than winmo, but more entertainment oriented.
The camera is excellent.
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Exactly the same sentiments as me. I just wanted an android phone and my carrier only offered X10 at a discounted rate. But I am extremely pleased. Plus it makes my blackberry friends jealous since they try to talk crap about my phone to make themselves feel better.

I would yes, as it's a beautiful piece of equipment, and will happily sit out the wait for 2.1, and who knows, maybe sometime later the devs on here will get 2.2 on it.

4 months ago... yes
today no... i would wait for September or even Christmas.

Yes.....after de-applefying myself from my old Iphone, i love this new bit of Kit. Sure ths OS isnt current and the battery is a little needy. But the hardware/software relationship is great and the device its self is fantastic.

I love my X10
Rooted already, tethering done, since root my batter goes x2 time , great thanks to xda people.
Screen is so great.
Well a lot of things, maybe the Froyo not support is the only thing I miss here, but I'm patient about it

As far as I'm concerned its the best android phone out there, I've tried the nexus one, milestone and the HTC legend and the x10 was the best when it came to reception and battery life. I just wish it came with 2.1 at the very least. I'm on my 3rd x10 btw, I keep going back to it

Thanks for all the opinions guys. Yeah I'm a fan since I bought it that's why it's hard to figure if I want another one or try out the latest and greatest.
Not new to Android I've had a Magic since the day they came to Canada I love to OS no selling me on that. Battery is a none issue I charge every night regardless, had to do it with my Magic as well. (heavy user)
So far I think the only one that looks to be able to grab my attention from the X10 would be the Droid X if I can find one that uses Rogers 3G bands.

tuxStyle said:
4 months ago... yes
today no... i would wait for September or even Christmas.
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I can't seem to find anything up and coming that would make me wait. Any info on what you think would be worth the wait. I'm not in a huge hurry, but now that I've used the X10 it's hard to use the little Magic again.

I just did as I moved from T-mobile to AT&T. Had X10i in white for a long while now and then purchase X10a in Black. I didn't like the Black X10 as much as the white one. So, purchased a White X10a. Yesterday, I went to AT&T store and played with Samsung Captivate and have to tell you I like my X10a even more. SE came up with a design that can't be beaten for a long while. I wonder how much better can SE do with their X10 upgrade.
Some things they can do to make X10 upgrade even more sexy:
1. Little sleeker or keep same size but fit in bigger and better battery.
2. Sony Ericsson logo on top or Xperia logo at bottom to act like Notification light (battery drainer?)
3. 4 buttons
4. A Glossy Premium Carbon metal body (like Z series Vaio) for the front side.

absolutely i never buy sonyericsson device one more time!
i have just not really happy with T68 (some years ago..) and p900i.
i try SE X10 for the top class hw feature, but i have to admit that this "phone" is not very usefull for me.
battery life is a huge problem.
the touchscreen some time is not responding fine.
the sound quality and volume level is not sufficient (i have Nokia N95-1, is tremendous louder compared to x10 !!) , that's absolutely NOT acceptable from a brand wich contain the word "sony" on his brandname.
plus, the lag of the official software development on this phone.
if this is the top-class device from SE, it must deserve a top-class development , i think
sorry for too many words, but i'm really disappointed with this phone.

I Would yes,
I love the phone , i love the design , x10 feels like a classy phone with very elegant design.
I am very satisfied with the latest updates , my battery life holds more than enough.
And i love the freaking screen !!!
I cant wait to run 2.1
Cheers

Leaving world of X10i for Galaxy S - some thoughts briefly!

Hi guys,
Thanks so much to all the devs and members here who've posted tips, workarounds, rooting tools, and now custom roms for the X10i.
Your contributions have made the X10i a great device to use, particularly the JVM and multi-touch work.
I had my X10i since August last year from brand new.
Unfortunately yesterday I dropped a heavy mountain bike pedal on it from a 1metre height which smashed the top-right of the screen. The touch panel still worked, but it started rebooting continuously (4x in a row at one point) and was beyond repair.
I'd always had rebooting issues (2-3x per week) but this somehow had made it considerably worse.
Insurance has let me buy a Galaxy S (I9000) for an extra NZ$57.
I'd like to say that the X10i had a considerably sharper and more detailed screen than the Galaxy S. This is immediately obvious.
The X10i felt far more solid. The Galaxy S feels a lot cheaper.
However, I'm really enjoying the responsiveness of the Galaxy S (after rooting etc) and it feels several times faster than the X10i.
Android 2.2 is great. It's really good news SE is upgrading the X10i to 2.3.
So again - thanks - see you on Gingerbread!
Cheers
Aidan

By the way two of my accessories for the X10i are going free here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13077136#post13077136
Only if you're in New Zealand though! (postage costs)

awojtas said:
Hi guys,
Thanks so much to all the devs and members here who've posted tips, workarounds, rooting tools, and now custom roms for the X10i.
Your contributions have made the X10i a great device to use, particularly the JVM and multi-touch work.
I had my X10i since August last year from brand new.
Unfortunately yesterday I dropped a heavy mountain bike pedal on it from a 1metre height which smashed the top-right of the screen. The touch panel still worked, but it started rebooting continuously (4x in a row at one point) and was beyond repair.
I'd always had rebooting issues (2-3x per week) but this somehow had made it considerably worse.
Insurance has let me buy a Galaxy S (I9000) for an extra NZ$57.
I'd like to say that the X10i had a considerably sharper and more detailed screen than the Galaxy S. This is immediately obvious.
The X10i felt far more solid. The Galaxy S feels a lot cheaper.
However, I'm really enjoying the responsiveness of the Galaxy S (after rooting etc) and it feels several times faster than the X10i.
Android 2.2 is great. It's really good news SE is upgrading the X10i to 2.3.
So again - thanks - see you on Gingerbread!
Cheers
Aidan
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Bad time to have a accident! New phones are just around the corner. I am personally hanging on to my X10 until Galaxy SII comes out.

Totally agree.. wish I was getting an Arc as a replacement or Galaxy S2 as you say... but here in New Zealand we're often a few months behind the rest of the world and I needed the phone replaced soon... :-(

My friend has a captivate.
it's a good phone.
it definitely feels cheap though,
But its strong.
I've seen out dropped and stepped on.
The touch screen is much better.
You really should have held out for just a bit longer.
I'm holding out for the xperia play.
Wish it had hdmi out though.
Sent from my SE_X10i using the XDA App and sliding my finger around really fast.

do what you think is best I understand why cause of how long they took to update the x10 but they now have the arc and play out which are great phones

markstaylorx said:
do what you think is best I understand why cause of how long they took to update the x10 but they now have the arc and play out which are great phones
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All the reviews I've read beg to differ, especially the play which supposedly has a horrible screen

Hiii
Firstly I got to say since the first time I held An X10 I fell in love and I wuldnt change for the world
But my Sister recently had a Galaxy S as a new phone and for the first time I'm actually jealous.
Good luck mate cuz the Galaxy S Is a BRILLIANT phone and I wish you all the best.....

Yeah I second that ;-) enjoy the upgrade.
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I had a captivate and then sold it and switched around and found my white x10. Honestly, when you have a good custom ROM on the x10, its speed is comparable to the Galaxy S (though I do have to admit the captivate I had was slightly faster).
I am someone who makes use of the camera on a phone, the x10 camera is seriously great and one of the reasons why I would pick x10 over GS. Second, is style, x10 is sexy, we all know this.
In terms of customizations, the Galaxy S series are more triumphant in this regard.
Good luck with your Galaxy S!

I spent hours and hours at times customising my X10i. I loaded different froms, JITted it numerous times, played with build.props and all - and I'd honestly say the Galaxy S is dramatically quicker still, even after I've now loaded most of the same apps onto it.
The screen feels more sensitive. The graphics are smoother. Loading apps is dramatically quicker.
I never felt the X10i's screen was accurate, like it was calibrated right, but if you used a Paint app and tried to draw straight corner-to-corner lines they were wiggly as anything. This meant sometimes clicking buttons, apps or typing was a little frustrating as you would have to top often slightly above the button.
The Galaxy S's camera is better and worse than the X10i.
Better: no stupid purple/green tinges when the picture is low contrast; it's way faster; the colours are more realistic. 30fps for 720p is really nice.
Worse: The resolution is definitely worse! The X10's camera eats the Samsung's 5mp in terms of resolution whether a bright outdoors photo or even high-ISO low-light indoors. There is also no auto-focus during video on the Galaxy S
If you're reading this and considering a Galaxy S, the things I miss are:
- LED notification (fix: NoLED, uses the AMOLED screen to display notifications instead. Seems okay.)
- Hardware camera button
- The weight of the X10, it felt like it was made better
- 8mp camera and video auto-focus
- SonyEricsson's UI overlay actually was pretty cool (not talking about Timescape here!)
The things I would never go back to the X10 for, that I like on the Galaxy:
- Speed.
- Touch screen that is accurate
- The extra RAM, built-in storage, etc.
- The better battery life (about 30-50% better so far)
- Thinness and lightness are quite nice actually.
I will probably come back to SE for the Arc - the camera and style really appeal to me.
I don't play games so the Play doesn't float my boat.
If anything, I used to sneer at Galaxy's as they looked "cheap". Now, I am thoroughly glad I changed and would definitely consider a Samsung phone as my next phone to be compared with SE Arc or Neo.
They're both great devices overall and have pros and cons of each.

I think the reason the galaxy feels much quicker than the x10 is because of the fps limit on the x10. When I tried the custom kernel that removed the fps cap the phone was sooooo much smoother, and just as smooth as my friend's galaxy s. But congrats on your new phone, I hope you enjoy it a lot !!!

I agree the Galaxy S is the better of the 2. I've had my friends Galaxy S here when I just had my X10 brand new (2 months ago) and both had stock ROM (2.2 on Galaxy, 2.1 on X10) and the Galaxy was superior.
Later I started using Wolfbreaks 2.2 ROM and that greatly increased the X10's performance but still it wasn't anywhere near the Galaxy, and that thing was still running stock.
I for one never had any regret getting the X10, mainly because of the price difference. I got mine using my moms phone plan because she didn't need a new one and I wanted to get rid of my W995. It costs me a total of €15x12 months = €180 in total for a brand new X10. The Galaxy would've been at least twice that amount.

Galaxy has superior gpu, screen & most obviously the software on a stock Froyo GS is miles ahead of Eclair with the Android platform and further the Samsung app quality is of a greater standard than Sony's.
16GB Internal storage and 32GB additional SDcard is always giving a huge benefit but the main point for me is the quality of the software, battery life, speed.. everything about a Galaxy S is better and the camera is damn good. Video calling is excellent!
What really surprised me, Sony invented the Walkman and Beta. So naturally I expected the sound to be better on a Sony, so wrong. Samsung is much clearer and more defined, as for the screen & gpu on the Galaxy it's impossible to even put the X10 beside it, like comparing analogue to HD with the X10 clearly made of infantile components, compared to the same company who delivered the Nexus S and for good reason.
Sony admitted to making mistakes with the X10 and using a Galaxy for a day, they become very clear and that is before you need to even consider modifications to the Galaxy. For the X10 it's impossible to get any quality from the device, without running a fully customized rom, kernel and apps... which I hope for the future Xperia devices is resolved but with device's like the Atrix and Galaxy 2 on the market at the same price, there isn't even a chance you could sway me towards another Xperia.
Play looks good for kid's, but if I wanted a PSX it's much cheaper to buy one, after all how many 10yr Old kids need smartphones?
Same applied when I bought a new camera and this time, it wasn't a Sony cybershot because Nikon & Canon have that one well covered. Sony & smartphones aren't even closely related in my opinion and trying to be a Jack of all trades has shown them as masters of none, at least for the X10, Arc, Neo, Play.. perhaps that's going to change with the Pro and I really hope they take their exceptional hardware skills and get up to speed with software in the future.
The design of Sony is fantastic. Hopefully the future sees them shine in Android.
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I do think the 2.3.3 update will solve a lot of annoyances but yes, you'd probably still need some good custom ROMs to get anywhere near todays high-end smartphones. I agree with you on the sound quality. Where my Sony Ericsson W995 is still the phone with the most superior sound quality, it went downhill with the smartphones.
SE did present their new walkman smartphone the other day though, the W8. Although it's basicly a rebranded X8 this may be signs that SE doesn't wanna drop the Walkman line yet and that might be good for us in the future.

Atrix IMHO changes the game entirely. What I'd be looking at if I was Sony, is that concept with their lessons learned from the X10. They really have great looking hardware and I expected too much with the X10. Completely agree with Gingerbread and 2.3.3 upgrade, will go miles in improving the device.
The real issue isn't Android versions, it's the restrictions imposed by the bootloader. Lacking sources for the Framework and customer apps like Timescape etc, is something Samsung, Motorola and HTC all suffer from.
With recent developments, opening the boot loader web service and choosing to upgrade to 2.3.3, it may provide Sony an edge over Samsung, Motorola and HTC if they were bold enough to make such a move and release sources to core services, Framework, Contacts and Timescape, opposed to the plugin architechture.. actual sources!
Garmin / Asus make affordable Androids but to be honest in comparing software, Asus beats Rachel, provide sources for development and have faith, there are brilliant mind's with time and idea's that no amount of money can buy.
If anyone has an X10 or Arc they can part with, I need one as I never was able to complete some of the AOSP work I was doing and would be very happy to hear in a PM if this may be you
What upset me about having been given a Galaxy S, is I'm no longer able to develop for XDA without having one to work with. I felt a part of something with XDA & developing for the X10 which, now is gone.. :-(
For all it's shortcomings, I miss my X10 and loosing it, has left a space nothing will ever fill - lol - awww haha..
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MrHassell said:
Atrix IMHO changes the game entirely. What I'd be looking at if I was Sony, is that concept with their lessons learned from the X10. They really have great looking hardware and I expected too much with the X10. Completely agree with Gingerbread and 2.3.3 upgrade, will go miles in improving the device.
The real issue isn't Android versions, it's the restrictions imposed by the bootloader. Lacking sources for the Framework and customer apps like Timescape etc, is something Samsung, Motorola and HTC all suffer from.
With recent developments, opening the boot loader web service and choosing to upgrade to 2.3.3, it may provide Sony an edge over Samsung, Motorola and HTC if they were bold enough to make such a move and release sources to core services, Framework, Contacts and Timescape, opposed to the plugin architechture.. actual sources!
Garmin / Asus make affordable Androids but to be honest in comparing software, Asus beats Rachel, provide sources for development and have faith, there are brilliant mind's with time and idea's that no amount of money can buy.
If anyone has an X10 or Arc they can part with, I need one as I never was able to complete some of the AOSP work I was doing and would be very happy to hear in a PM if this may be you
What upset me about having been given a Galaxy S, is I'm no longer able to develop for XDA without having one to work with. I felt a part of something with XDA & developing for the X10 which, now is gone.. :-(
For all it's shortcomings, I miss my X10 and loosing it, has left a space nothing will ever fill - lol - awww haha..
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good luck ,,........

Galaxy S2, The Destroyer?

So the GS2 has been getting fantastic reviews and the specs are just monstorous! It pretty much kills anything on the market right now, how do you feel about this? Will the Arc be outdated quicky? These phones move WAY to fast for me...its not even funny...you buy a phone and theres already one that makes you feel inferior...

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So the GS2 has been getting fantastic reviews and the specs are just monstorous! It pretty much kills anything on the market right now, how do you feel about this? Will the Arc be outdated quicky? These phones move WAY to fast for me...its not even funny...you buy a phone and theres already one that makes you feel inferior...
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While I think the GS2 has better technical specs than the SE, I think the overall design of the Arc is much more unique than that of the GS2. I also find that the Sammys tend to be more plasticy (if that is a word). Additionally, I don't think apps (and the OS) have been optimized for the dual core processor in the GS2.
What the GS2 has going for it, is a front facing camera (which should have in the Arc too) and an unlocked bootloader! Those two might tempt me to pick up a GS2 to play around with.

You should have waited for S2 instead of buying Arc What specifications S2 was going to have, was published on every mobile site since S2 was announced

I do think always to buy things per my own need not to what is the highest. I did care for design and decent performance. ARC was and is the solution for me. Does S2 devalue my arc? no! This is not a good example but I will try
You are driving an Audi RS4 and then Nissan GTR comes out with a performance car, do I care? no because I love my RS4 very much(BTW I don't have a RS4)

Nimche said:
I do think always to buy things per my own need not to what is the highest. I did care for design and decent performance. ARC was and is the solution for me. Does S2 devalue my arc? no! This is not a good example but I will try
You are driving an Audi RS4 and then Nissan GTR comes out with a performance car, do I care? no because I love my RS4 very much(BTW I don't have a RS4)
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+1 well said..

SGS II is also ~150 USD more expensive than the Arc.
With the rapid growth of GPU and CPU for mobile, IMHO, spending your every pennies to get the top line of these hardwares every couple months is not worth it. It will get depreciated very quickly. And all the values left would be:
1. design and built quality
2. battery life
3. functionalities
Arc's beautiful design and 8MP camera + exmor r, however, will stay on top of the line for quite a while

(1) The Galaxy S2 is Fugly
(2) "Samsung" and "quality" are two words that wont be used in the same sentence.

I don't think the Arc is in anyway now going to be forgotten about.
I was initially going to wait on the S2, but it was going to cost me about £150 on the plan I'm on, where as the Arc was free. Not really bothered about the dual core CPU as it runs more than fast enough as it is. Front facing camera I don't care about as I'm never going to use it (don't think many iphone users do either as it only works on wifi). The feel and quality of the S2 is way way way below that of the Arc too.
So still well happy with my choice.
Dazza

solidkevin said:
So the GS2 has been getting fantastic reviews and the specs are just monstorous! It pretty much kills anything on the market right now, how do you feel about this? Will the Arc be outdated quicky? These phones move WAY to fast for me...its not even funny...you buy a phone and theres already one that makes you feel inferior...
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I just purchase Arc from Japan knowing it's long been outdated. Even several months old Atrix's has killer specs compared to Arc. I still went for Arc mainly because of it's styling.
I want to wait for GS2 but the styling doesn't appeal to me and not having LED notification kind of killed my desire for it.
With Android handsets, by the time the phone you desire hits the market, there is another killer one coming in a month. It's hard to keep waiting. But, I will move to GS2 if it looks better outside than it is in pictures. But, I doubt Samsung can make anything as attractive as SE phones . Just the SAMSUNG logo kills it for me

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(2) "Samsung" and "quality" are two words that wont be used in the same sentence.
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Could not agree more!!! Well said!

LOL I agree, it has monster specs but it is FUGLY! Arc and IP4 are MUCH better looking..

SGS2 is definately amazing phone specs wise. There's no denying that. I was going to get SGS2, but got Arc instead. I just wanted to get rid of my iPhone.
Arc looks amazing, works very well and is fast. SGS2 is faster and has better screen, but Arc actually does everything I need currently. I think Arc is enough for me the next 2 years. There will always be new stuff coming, but there is no real need to change every 6 months.
SGS2 will probably be the king until SGS3. But it doesn't make my Arc bad. Actually my Arc is excellent

A phone with better specs than the Arc has been released, so what?
It was bound to happen at some point.

What I really don't like about the galaxy phones is how they look and feel like previous versions of the iPhone. Seriously, the tipping point for getting the arc over the other phones is its unique style. Do you trade off specs and performance for style? Not really. But I don't see the need to pay extra when I can get something that I want and that pretty much caters to what I need.
If you want to be future-proof, get the SGS2 - it might be the HTC Desire of dual-cores with its potential long life. Give it a couple months more and a few more dual-core phones will come out. Will you be wanting every new phone with better specs?
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mtechfan said:
(1) The Galaxy S2 is Fugly
(2) "Samsung" and "quality" are two words that wont be used in the same sentence.
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+1 on that

I think you guys are stuck with arc. And couldn't afford sgs2 so why bashing it? And quality on sgs2 is way better than arc. Only thing arc has is camera and Hdmi 2.3 and slim other than that same as x10. I don't see how and why people bought the arc
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I could afford to be choosy when opting for a phone I liked the arc so got the arc you can to through life upgrading everything tvs pcs cars houses phones but there is always something bigger and better round the corner so just enjoy what you have
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well, i was on the fence between both phones but ended up with the arc, its just an awesome phone, super fast, even in the browser, which i was surprised.
the x10 was trash, but now that sony is giving it 2.3 it makes use of all of its hardware. so its actually a pretty good phone now. the arc of course is way better.
dual-core wouldnt really be as future proof as people are making it out to be....unless ofcourse your idea of future proof is about 6ish months long till the next big thing comes out....and didnt nvidia already map out quad-cores? which means the wait for 2.5+ would be needed since 2.4 will take advantage of the dual-cores.
coming from an atrix, the only real noticable difference in speed comes when you open certain apps, and even then...the difference is by about...1, maybe 2 seconds? so until android can utilize dual-cores, a single core phone done right is fantastic.
*personal preference here*i love sony's screen for movies and pics vs Samoled. cant comment on Samoled plus but the over-saturation and fake colours on the galaxy S phones drove me nuts :/
so those are some of my reasons for getting the arc over the Gs2.

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+1 on that
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+1 on this.. lol..!!

Doesn't look like double cores have any real advantage right now, something really better for the user. Unless you're counting any second after app launching.
It's definitely the future but I wouldn't pee in my pants because of that right now.
SGSII is probably awesome. However has inferior design, inferior UI (for me of course) plus the fear of quality. And Samsung software doesn't seem polished ever. SGSI had issues AFAIK and just look at their WP7 problems story.

I'm with Rogers and am having troble deciding between Arc and...

Hey guys,
I am with Rogers, and will be buying my phone cash for the full price. Because of this I am really trying to figure out what phone would be best to purchase because I don't want to make an $800 mistake.
I have had 2 Android phones in the past, an Xperia x10 and a Samsung Captivate.
I am basically torn between the Xperia Arc, and the Nexus S. I am also considering by a long shot the White iphone 4, though I am absolutely bored to tears with iOS and am not really interested...I guess call it the fall back device if I can't make up my mind between the Arc and Nexus S.
Anyways, if you guys have any opinions on either I would really like some help. I have been trying to figure it out, watching hours and hours of reviews and reading written reviews. But no one talks about the things I would like to know like how much bigger the screen is on the Arc compared to the Nexus S for example, or is it hard to lock the Arc with its little power button? Anyways any help is very much welcome.

I should also note I am not planning to root the phone and am keeping everything stock.

gunstar3035 said:
I should also note I am not planning to root the phone and am keeping everything stock.
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Dude are you serious??! The Arc blows the nexus S all the way.
The Arc looks 100% more stylish and better looking, thinner, bigger screen and fits better in your pocket.
The Arc's camera is mind blowing, the screen is gorgeous leave aside how much fast and smooth the phone really functions & operates.
The majority of Arc users are happy and satisfied. This is no X10, this phones is miles ahead. So, if you loved your X10, then I'm warning you that you may be obsessed with the Arc
There is a reason behind choosing the Arc to be the #1 for 2011 :
http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/04/25/techradar-crowns-xperia-arc-best-mobile-in-world-today/
Hope this helps a little

I've owned a lot of phones (not the Captivate though) and I find the Arc the pick of the lot (althugh the original HTC Desire comes close).
Overall, even though the screen is 4.2", the phone is extremely compact. It is a bit taller than the Nexus S, but due to it's thinness feels the same size as the Nexus S. The physical buttons are a major advantage (IMHO) and there's no issues with the small power button. The screen is pretty good (probably not as good as the AMOLEDs) and tends to look a bit washed out when viewing from certain angles, but it is not an issue for me. Also, SE's UI is quite minimalistic and actually enhances the Android experience.
Why don't you pick up an Arc and play with it? You have 15 days (and 30 mins of talktime) to try it? If you don't like it, you can return it and pick up the Captivate.

Thanks guys so much for the input.
I think the thing I am worrying about with the Arc is the lack of a front facing camera, but I am loving the screen size and rear camera.
With the nexus S I like the thought of pure and quick updates, but the lack of 720p recording and build quality is concerning me...
Oh and lets just forget I mentioned iphone 4, I dont want another iphone ever again : /

gunstar3035 said:
Thanks guys so much for the input.
I think the thing I am worrying about with the Arc is the lack of a front facing camera, but I am loving the screen size and rear camera.
With the nexus S I like the thought of pure and quick updates, but the lack of 720p recording and build quality is concerning me...
Oh and lets just forget I mentioned iphone 4, I dont want another iphone ever again : /
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The moment you hold the Arc in your hands, you'll totally forget about the front facing camera! The phone is really that good, just go and play with it for a while and you'll understand where I'm coming from.
The nexus S has a terrible camera, no external storage, fugly+ugly looks and my main concern is that in case you need support with the phone it won't be easy to get access to it like in case you get the iphone or the Arc.
Thinking too much will just drive you nuts! I've been there trust me. If I were you, I would eliminate the Nexus S and go straight for the Arc! Unless you still have some love for the iphone
Ur call pal! But one thing I know for sure, I still haven't ran across one Arc owner that did regret his purchase.
Take a look at some of the pics that I took with the Xperia Neo, and I can assure you that the Arc is in the same level since I own both of them now :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1059189

Basharca said:
There is a reason behind choosing the Arc to be the #1 for 2011 :
http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/04/25/techradar-crowns-xperia-arc-best-mobile-in-world-today/
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You might want to look again.
It was number one for about a week, not number one for 2011
I used a Nexus S for a few weeks prior to getting my Arc.
No question, Arc all the way.

Basharca said:
The moment you hold the Arc in your hands, you'll totally forget about the front facing camera! The phone is really that good, just go and play with it for a while and you'll understand where I'm coming from.
The nexus S has a terrible camera, no external storage, fugly+ugly looks and my main concern is that in case you need support with the phone it won't be easy to get access to it like in case you get the iphone or the Arc.
Thinking too much will just drive you nuts! I've been there trust me. If I were you, I would eliminate the Nexus S and go straight for the Arc! Unless you still have some love for the iphone
Ur call pal! But one thing I know for sure, I still haven't ran across one Arc owner that did regret his purchase.
Take a look at some of the pics that I took with the Xperia Neo, and I can assure you that the Arc is in the same level since I own both of them now :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1059189
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Thanks man, I will check out the pics too. I am honestly leaning towards the Arc right now. It looks like it is everything the x10 should have been, and even more.
3 questions about the Arc: How is texting/Screen sensitivity? and How do you find locking the device? Does the UI feel zippy?
Thanks again guys, your the best!

gunstar3035 said:
I am basically torn between the Xperia Arc, and the Nexus S.
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Get Nexus S IF
1. it's design appeals to you more than Arc.
2. if you don't care about LED Notification.
3. Camera and HD video quality are not of higher importance.
4. screen brightness in day light doesn't have to be great.
5. having the latest greatest official update from Google is important.
6. front facing camera is a must. Also remember the Android 2.3.4 update has GoogleTalk that supports video chat.
For me, what I would want but will miss on my Arc is item 6.

gunstar3035 said:
Thanks man, I will check out the pics too. I am honestly leaning towards the Arc right now. It looks like it is everything the x10 should have been, and even more.
3 questions about the Arc: How is texting/Screen sensitivity? and How do you find locking the device? Does the UI feel zippy?
Thanks again guys, your the best!
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You shouldn't lean towards the Arc, you should go and buy it right away
Texting/screen sensitivity is perfect! I can claim confidently that Sony aced it this time. I know they had it in them but they were acting like douche bags before hehe, but this time they did a great job.
The UI is not zippy! Sorry, it's super duper zippy
The only things that lags a little is timescape and also when loading the pics from the new widget that sony created. However, I only noticed this when I switch the phone off and restart it again.
Other than that it works flawlessly, this may be the fastest android phone you could get, I seriously mean it.
And ya no need to root it to install some lagfix if you know what I mean hehe

Get the Arc. I've owned several Nexus S and it's fine, but not exceptional. The Arc is a head turner and it does everything well. I like the wall to wall screen with no borders. I write about these things, so I use them all, and of all the Android phones, the one I would take for myself as my personal phone is the Arc.

I would say definitely that the arc is miles ahead of the nexus S.
The only conceivable reason to buy the nexus over the arc is if you absolutely have to have the latest version of android ASAP. Apart from that the nexus is a deeply, deeply average phone.
There are a couple of phones out there that i can see some people choosing over the arc (though personally i'd still go with the arc) but the nexus aint one of them.

The Nexus S is a Galaxy S running 2.3. That makes it a very good phone. It has a great display and it beats the Arc in most speed tests. My personal preference is still the Arc. I think that the Nexus S is a good choice regardless of the enthusiasm for the Arc in this thread. The Nexus S is pure Android and there's not a lot wrong with that. The Arc is sexy and it does everything well. Both phones work for me.

If I had to choose between the Xperia Arc and the Nexus S (or any 2 phones in general for that matter), what I'd do is go to a store and compare the devices side-by-side.
Three things where the Nexus S is better than the Xperia Arc are:
better viewing angles on the display
1GB apps storage on Nexus S vs. ~320-350MB on Xperia Arc
Nexus S has hardware Search button; Xperia Arc doesn't
NFC [this may become really big really soon]
Front-facing camera
The Xperia Arc advantages over Nexus S:
much better camera [8.2MP vs. 5MP]
HDMI port
720p video recording
slightly higher screen resolution [854×480 vs. 800×480]
possibility for PlayStation-certification because internals are very similar to Xperia Play [not sure though]
Having said that, I own both devices. Regarding apps storage, I am using ~270MB on both, and that is growing very very slowly, so it is not a concern for me [yet!].

Back to my arc S!

I had an Xperia S for a week. And I hated it. So I got my arc S back and I couldn't be happier.
If you're ever tempted by an Xperia S - don't do it. It's just not good enough.

Why?it is faster,and screen is much better.
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I tried xperia s and find it heavier, worse picture quality, worse design and i missed the physical buttons. So i stick with arc S, still my fovorite so far.

I felt the build quality was poorer than the arc. Wasn't as big a step forward as is claimed, tbh.

isnt the dual core do nothing for it??

I was all for getting one, until I had one in the hand, two big for my liking. I really want my next Phone to be Sony, but if they continue the trend of creating bricks like most manufactures seem to be doing these days then I'll stick with my S.E and I might just upgrade to the Arc S.
I don't want a mini tablet as a Phone.

Wait for the GX guys, it's true Arc successor.
I'm waiting for SX to replace my Ray

I think 4-4,3 inch is the limit for the smartphone. Everything above is... tablet. Arc S is good enough for me.

I think the bigger a phone the better, I thought the xperia s looked good in the pictures but when held it irl it feels fat and the bezel looks really thick (big turnoff). But I'd still go for performance over design.
Sent from my Arc S with JJ's ROM installed + stock kernel.

What I didn't like:
Soft buttons are terrible - often takes 2 or 3 taps for then to work. Very frustrating.
Terrible battery life on the latest ICS F/W.
Heavy and uncomfortable to hold for long.
Bravia engine doesn't work on latest ICS F/W.
Power Saver app completely useless.
Sony UK refusing to repair screen tint issues if you've unlocked the bootloader.
Occasional hang when using the Quick Launch camera button.
Fonts too small for me - and using Large option only works in some apps and is ignored by Timescape, etc.
The flap on the USB port won't last long.
Stupid menu design for the launcher.
Widget picker takes 5 seconds to appear.
This phone looks great on paper but feels half-finished to me. I can see why the reviews were so lacklustre now.
So I'm back using my arc S which I will keep until I've saved up for a Galaxy Nexus. Sony have done a poor job of ICS and I they no longer have my trust. Why can't they produce a couple of excellent devices instead of releasing mediocre phones every few months? The mind boggles.
I did like the new Walkman app though - by far the best music player I've used on Android.

I find it ridiculous when people say " the bigger the phone, the better." Perhaps ego issues to compensate for something else ? Lol
Seriously, it is silly to put a tablet sized phone next to your eat. Just don't, please, for the love of god.
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Thanks for the review guys as my x10 is up for upgrade in 2-3 months time and was naturally thinking of this, I am a se fanboy.
Not 100% sure what to do as I have arc already.
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Not 100% sure what to do as I have arc already.
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I'd hang fire, I've got 8 months left on my contract so I've got plenty of time to see what Sony can come up with in the future. I was going to sell my Arc the other week and get a Ray as I was wanting something smaller but after some thought decided to stick with the Arc in the end. There's nothing that I really like when I look at line up on GSMArena, maybe the Arco S but I'd have to hold it before deciding.

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What I didn't like:
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Soft buttons ARE terrible, even calendar launcher(lower left corner) interrupts with user interaction.
a mid range / mid end device doing a very nice job. even hdmi output is surprisingly smooth.
well, fairly spoken I had no expectations with ics, even sony's official website claims that, I never understood that, why some people got confused with "improved" performance and "speedy" UI, they both are different things.

I disagree.
For its price... Arc/Arc S was a loot when it was launched.
I now own both an Arc and an Xperia S. No doubt arc is the best designed fone any manufacturer ever made, but it is way too short on horsepower. Even on gingerbread, the contacts app lags if you cross over 500 contacts. So does the messaging app.
Arc users keep dwindling and shifting around custom ROMS trying to find the perfect one. And we all know after a few days of use and installing chunk loads of apps, the fone just struggles to keep up as a BASIC PHONE (it runs applications well though).
Arc is indeed a great fashion statement but as a basic phone, even my dads ZTE Blade delivers better.
Xperia S is thicker but works like a charm! Wish it's speaker was as loud as arc though

romiltherock said:
I disagree.
For its price... Arc/Arc S was a loot when it was launched.
I now own both an Arc and an Xperia S. No doubt arc is the best designed fone any manufacturer ever made, but it is way too short on horsepower. Even on gingerbread, the contacts app lags if you cross over 500 contacts. So does the messaging app.
Arc users keep dwindling and shifting around custom ROMS trying to find the perfect one. And we all know after a few days of use and installing chunk loads of apps, the fone just struggles to keep up as a BASIC PHONE (it runs applications well though).
Arc is indeed a great fashion statement but as a basic phone, even my dads ZTE Blade delivers better.
Xperia S is thicker but works like a charm! Wish it's speaker was as loud as arc though
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100% true. When I first booted JJHybrid 3.2 it was a rocket comparing to stock ICS. Now with few apps instaled (<30), everything lags, even keyboard, which should be one of the main things in phone. Looks like, arc S in my last Sony phone.....from now on I am 85% sure, my next phone will be Galaxy Nexus.
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rec71 said:
I did like the new Walkman app though - by far the best music player I've used on Android.
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You haven't used Poweramp with the ICS skin, have you?

Traviizter said:
You haven't used Poweramp with the ICS skin, have you?
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I haven't looked at PowerAmp for about 6 months. I didn't like it much though but will take another look.

It's much better than any other music app I've found.
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Traviizter said:
It's much better than any other music app I've found.
how about mort player?
remember most android users are free bee :highfive:
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