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Nexus S gets a small preview?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/11/nexus-s-for-t-mobile-gets-brief-best-buy-mobile-nod-there-and-g/
Well, this was rather unexpected. Earlier today, Best Buy Mobile published a humble (if not incomplete) ad for the "Nexus S for T-Mobile," touting both its "pure Google" experience (i.e. vanilla Android) and holiday availability exclusively from Best Buy. It's gone now, saved only by the grace of Google cache. To be honest, all we can do is speculate beyond that. An anonymous tipster to RadioAndroid pegged the Nexus S name late last month and claimed it would feature Android 2.3 Gingerbread, a 4-inch Super AMOLED screen, and a Hummingbird processor. TechCrunch later described a Samsung-borne "Nexus Two" that has since been delayed due to some serious hardware issue. Is this a placeholder from the online devs? Does / did the S stand for Samsung, or something else entirely? And most importantly, is this presumed follow-up to Nexus One actually coming out, or did you just get your hopes up for nothing?
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I am not out to give people more hope than necessary but I think that google releasing this phone as sheep in galaxy clothing is the best news galaxy owners could get. Development of the hummingbird platform, gingerbread...... Huge opportunities here
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/11/is-this-the-nexus-s/
An update!
Now it only remains to be seen how similar the hardware on this bad-boy is to the Galaxy S's that we already have for the inevitable rom-porting. With any luck we'll be rolling in Gingerbread before we know it.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/11/is-this-the-nexus-s/
Now on the web flyer, looks pretty vanilla to me!
Engadget is on fire!!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/11/google-nexus-s-is-the-samsung-gt-i9020/
This is nice. Like a dream come true!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/11/this-is-the-nexus-s/
Again!"
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/11/this-is-the-nexus-s/
Thank God for 30 day return policies. Goodbye vibrant, hello Nexus S
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Now the cynic in me is starting to feel that Samsung may be deliberately crippling Galaxy S performance to make the Nexus S look even more beastly when it comes out and make people want to buy it.
Intratech said:
Now the cynic in me is starting to feel that Samsung may be deliberately crippling Galaxy S performance to make the Nexus S look even more beastly when it comes out and make people want to buy it.
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Well, basically, Android was built and optimised for Nexus One, it surely is not performing to it's maximum on the hardware of Samsung. The hardware of SGS is realy good, but the OS is not (yet) optimised for it.
But if you built and optimise the OS around this hardware, i'm pretty sure it'll fly! (and it'll give optimised OS to samsung's users as well)
Anyone know the specs
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Well, basically, Android was built and optimised for Nexus One, it surely is not performing to it's maximum on the hardware of Samsung. The hardware of SGS is realy good, but the OS is not (yet) optimised for it.
But if you built and optimise the OS around this hardware, i'm pretty sure it'll fly! (and it'll give optimised OS to samsung's users as well)
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Have you seen what CyanogenMOD are doing and the performance they are getting with an unoptimised, incomplete, Android 2.2.1 ROM on the Galaxy S using RFS file system? They put the Samsung software development team to shame.
Now post me a link to a Gingerbread ROM I can slap on my Captivate ASAP.
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Have you seen what CyanogenMOD are doing and the performance they are getting with an unoptimised, incomplete, Android 2.2.1 ROM on the Galaxy S using RFS file system? They put the Samsung software development team to shame.
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CyanogenMOD are putting every dev team to a shame!
Now the cynic in me is starting to feel that Samsung may be deliberately crippling Galaxy S performance to make the Nexus S look even more beastly when it comes out and make people want to buy it.
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Not really dude. This will be a low-volume device compared to the "regular" Galaxy S line.
Looking at some of those pics, there's quite a bit of internal differences. No visible SD card slot, for one, and a different battery (with power connectors on the left instead of top of the phone). That makes me wonder how much the rest of the internal hardware differs.
It's also bulkier at the bottom than an I9000, and looks to have antenna leads on the battery cover (like the Captivate), though those might be DTV leads instead.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/11/this-is-the-nexus-s/
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/11/this-is-the-nexus-s/
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Nothing is confirmed if not from Samsung or Google
Update: We contacted Google for comment and were told that the company doesn't comment on rumors or speculation -- the usual drill.
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But still, it looks good so far!
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Now the cynic in me is starting to feel that Samsung may be deliberately crippling Galaxy S performance to make the Nexus S look even more beastly when it comes out and make people want to buy it.
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i agree ....they are not fixing the filesystem lag issue because they are already thinking of future sales of new models, they want to keep it crippled, typical samsung.
on another note i much prefer the samsung's touchwiz additions to stock android, the apps are better (calendar for example) and there are more built in apps.
if only not for the lag
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Nothing is confirmed if not from Samsung or Google
But still, it looks good so far!
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What looks good? I believe you don't mean that stretched Nokia 5800XM...
Hey guys.
As you already know, official Galaxy S Gingerbread ROM released.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1009177
That means we've got a "Gingerbread ROM with Touchwiz UI" !
So let's encourage developers to port it to Nexus S
That would be soooo awesome, but at this point the MT3G has more development than the Nexus...they even have honeycomb.
this topic made me smile .. Before the nexus s I owned a galaxy s .. lots and lots of people there want an aosp looking rom and want to get rid of touchwiz asap .. And now I ahve a nexus S with the aosp I have been wanting for so long and see a topic requesting touch wiz
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this topic made me smile .. Before the nexus s I owned a galaxy s .. lots and lots of people there want an aosp looking rom and want to get rid of touchwiz asap .. And now I ahve a nexus S with the aosp I have been wanting for so long and see a topic requesting touch wiz
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Same here. Go figure...
However, CM7 already has all it takes to make your phone look a lot like TouchWiz. It has the statusbar widgets, and the launcher can be customized to look a great deal like it. Is it the home widgets? Cause I'm sure there must be plenty of alternatives in the Market.
Heck, CM7 + ADW is even far more customizable. I don't see a reason why anyone would need TouchWiz at this point.
the reason people sold their Galaxy S to nexus S is because of the stupid touch wiz. and you want people to bring it ? i hate you from my heart
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Same here. Go figure...
However, CM7 already has all it takes to make your phone look a lot like TouchWiz. It has the statusbar widgets, and the launcher can be customized to look a great deal like it. Is it the home widgets? Cause I'm sure there must be plenty of alternatives in the Market.
Heck, CM7 + ADW is even far more customizable. I don't see a reason why anyone would need TouchWiz at this point.
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TW apps(camera, calendar, music player, video player), codecs...the launcher isn't a reason why people would want it imo.
ll_l_x_l_ll said:
the reason people sold their Galaxy S to nexus S is because of the stupid touch wiz. and you want people to bring it ? i hate you from my heart
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I didn't, all this great hardware with crap apps to use. Doesn't even have zoom in the camera let alone 720p video recording.
ll_l_x_l_ll said:
the reason people sold their Galaxy S to nexus S is because of the stupid touch wiz. and you want people to bring it ? i hate you from my heart
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Pretty sure it was because of gps..
Which still looks weak in the nexus
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Pretty sure it was because of gps..
Which still looks weak in the nexus
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Pretty sure it was Samsung's incompetence of releasing Android 2.2 in a timely fashion and ROMs basing off Samsung internal leaks with kernels that weren't open-sourced.
I personally don't care if someone ports TouchWiz. If they do, then great. I won't be using it but trying it out to play around with. There's a difference between requesting and something actually being done.
I would definitely like to have the choice of trying out Gingerbread TouchWiz. I've noticed that the Nexus S doesn't really have as much roms as I thought it would have. Maybe its because 2.3 is the latest software and it would defeat the purpose of putting 2.2 sense, 2.2 blur etc or its simply the fact that devs are holding out for dual core and quad core phones.
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I would definitely like to have the choice of trying out Gingerbread TouchWiz. I've noticed that the Nexus S doesn't really have as much roms as I thought it would have. Maybe its because 2.3 is the latest software and it would defeat the purpose of putting 2.2 sense, 2.2 blur etc or its simply the fact that devs are holding out for dual core and quad core phones.
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Most likely because of 2.2 and 2.3. Porting another FrameWork takes a lot of work. It's not that easy to do especially to get it working as a daily driver
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I would definitely like to have the choice of trying out Gingerbread TouchWiz. I've noticed that the Nexus S doesn't really have as much roms as I thought it would have. Maybe its because 2.3 is the latest software and it would defeat the purpose of putting 2.2 sense, 2.2 blur etc or its simply the fact that devs are holding out for dual core and quad core phones.
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Most people are obsessed with speed and latest and greatest, not what offers the most. They say TouchWiz is buggy but so is Gingerbread...obviously I could go on and on.
Why is there so much hostility with reference to Nexus S and development? Why do people consider the Nexus S inferior and not worthy of ROM development? It's a phone, people own it. If all you do is bash the phone and the community, what is your endgame? I say, the more ROMs the better, no matter what they are. And if development dies because of lack of interest, so be it, but let the natural course of the device play out.
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Pretty sure it was Samsung's incompetence of releasing Android 2.2 in a timely fashion and ROMs basing off Samsung internal leaks with kernels that weren't open-sourced.
I personally don't care if someone ports TouchWiz. If they do, then great. I won't be using it but trying it out to play around with. There's a difference between requesting and something actually being done.
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That's not the issue anymore will those roms. Not to mention the only leg nexus has up the captivate is nfc and vanilla android. I like the touchwiz icons, maybe it is because i also use an iphone 4, but those stock app icons make me want to scream
And judging from the 2.3.3 has bricked my gps thread, i am getting less and less excited about owning a nexus s once it arrives with 850mhz 3g bands. Looks like samsung still cant get the gps right..now to see if they did something to the gs2.
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That's not the issue anymore will those roms. Not to mention the only leg nexus has up the captivate is nfc and vanilla android. I like the touchwiz icons, maybe it is because i also use an iphone 4, but those stock app icons make me want to scream
And judging from the 2.3.3 has bricked my gps thread, i am getting less and less excited about owning a nexus s once it arrives with 850mhz 3g bands. Looks like samsung still cant get the gps right..now to see if they did something to the gs2.
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I don't know what you've heard but GPS works perfectly for me...
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Heck, CM7 + ADW is even far more customizable. I don't see a reason why anyone would need TouchWiz at this point.
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I couldn't find a Touchwiz like CM7 theme? Is there any?
ll_l_x_l_ll said:
the reason people sold their Galaxy S to nexus S is because of the stupid touch wiz. and you want people to bring it ? i hate you from my heart
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Because I'm bored with default Android. I just want to try different things.
And yes Touchwiz is stupid, I hate it when I first saw that, especially lock-screen. But theme looks great.
the only think i'll be looking forward in a port from SGS to SNS are the mkv codecs and hardware play
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That's not the issue anymore will those roms. Not to mention the only leg nexus has up the captivate is nfc and vanilla android. I like the touchwiz icons, maybe it is because i also use an iphone 4, but those stock app icons make me want to scream
And judging from the 2.3.3 has bricked my gps thread, i am getting less and less excited about owning a nexus s once it arrives with 850mhz 3g bands. Looks like samsung still cant get the gps right..now to see if they did something to the gs2.
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Try the MIUI rom I think it's the rom that you're looking for.
@allgamer: in cm7 the hardware encoding actually works. 720p I smooth but no audio is being outputted. That's the only thing that needs to be fixed. Regular videos are fine.
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ll_l_x_l_ll said:
the reason people sold their Galaxy S to nexus S is because of the stupid touch wiz. and you want people to bring it ? i hate you from my heart
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The only reason I hated TouchWiz was because of bloatware, and Samsung's closed source issue which hindered development. Other than that, the UI looks great to me. The blue accents are nice and is easier to view than the gloomy green of the NS. Codecs are a major plus. The launcher is acceptable. My reason for moving to the NS is for CM7 as well as Google updates. Therefore, I'm all for porting the Galaxy S Gingerbread ROM.
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Try the MIUI rom I think it's the rom that you're looking for.
@allgamer: in cm7 the hardware encoding actually works. 720p I smooth but no audio is being outputted. That's the only thing that needs to be fixed. Regular videos are fine.
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that's great news! as that's the only thing that is really missing on the Nexus S at this point
being able to play back with hardware instead of software codec
Hello
The main reason i sold GS1 was TouchWiz, i love Samsung's hardware but not so much the software. What are the chances of getting AOSP like CM7 on GS2?, or would it be as painful as GS1? which still dosent have a stable AOSP ROM as far as i know
Peace
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The main reason i sold GS1 was TouchWiz, i love Samsung's hardware but not so much the software. What are the chances of getting AOSP like CM7 on GS2?, or would it be as painful as GS1? which still dosent have a stable AOSP ROM as far as i know
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We wont know until the device is released... CM7 was never released for the SGS so it might be touch and go;( But its my belief that if the bootloader can be unlocked or hacked then CM7 will support it... Its gonna be too much of a big phone not to support
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Buy something else. With AOSP you will lose some critical functionality of this phone. All of them in Multimedia dept. You loose fantastic code support. That's USP of sgs2.
From early previews TWUI 4 seems to be very much refined though.
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Buy something else. With AOSP you will lose some critical functionality of this phone. All of them in Multimedia dept. You loose fantastic code support. That's USP of sgs2.
From early previews TWUI 4 seems to be very much refined though.
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That's the USP for you.
For me, it's the hardware: thin, sleek, light. Dual-core. HDMI (or equivalent) +++ Unlockable boot-loader.
The hardware of the rival phones isn't as good and, quite a few manufacturers are in full lock-down mode these days.
Well, that was my thought exactly, that removing Touchwiz will remove all of the cool features and application support. To perhaps better serve your needs, it would be cooler to swap the launcher as suggested by many wise people here. This will give you a better UX while retaining the app support.
JupiterDroid said:
We wont know until the device is released... CM7 was never released for the SGS so it might be touch and go;( But its my belief that if the bootloader can be unlocked or hacked then CM7 will support it... Its gonna be too much of a big phone not to support
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SGS's bootloader isnt locked, and yet there is no stable AOSP ROM around
Funkym0nkey said:
Buy something else. With AOSP you will lose some critical functionality of this phone. All of them in Multimedia dept. You loose fantastic code support. That's USP of sgs2.
From early previews TWUI 4 seems to be very much refined though.
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I'm still not sure if i'll buy it, as for the so called "critical functionality", i would happily give them up and get rid of the crapware that i dont need, and head for the market for added functionality.
Well, since it is Android, you are more than welcome to do so. Although, more than the critical functionality, the features you are PAYING for are being stripped away. It would be better that you find a Rom that adds these features (motion sensing, etc.) while removing the "Crapware" from the device.
Even if the SGS doesn't have a fully functional cyanogenmod, it has lot's of ROM's that remove touchwiz and crapware.
And CM7 is closer than ever from being stable on SGS, and there's actually a MIUI beta. I would say that the SGS2 will have a good dev support and we'll have a lot of choices in ROM's.
If not, there's always launchers like ADW, launcherpro, Regina...
That should be the least of your worries.
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SGS's bootloader isnt locked, and yet there is no stable AOSP ROM around
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If you read my post it doesn't say at any point that the SGS bootloader is locked I dont think the SGS was supported due to its many faults;/
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If you read my post it doesn't say at any point that the SGS bootloader is locked I dont think the SGS was supported due to its many faults;/
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Got u
Thank you and everyone else for ur input
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I'm still not sure if i'll buy it, as for the so called "critical functionality", i would happily give them up and get rid of the crapware that i dont need, and head for the market for added functionality.
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You are paying heavy premium for these features.
With AOSP, you will lose all proprietary samsung apps and features. That includes codecs, Media player post processing functionality and probably MHL functionality.
Also all Samsung drivers will be lost that mean lots of work for developers to get camera working right, bluetooth, wifi working right.
By the time ASOP which is actually usable comes out, it will be time for next generation hardware.
i was wishing for the ability to use bt joypads to play me some emus but i guess its a no go then
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You are paying heavy premium for these features.
With AOSP, you will lose all proprietary samsung apps and features. That includes codecs, Media player post processing functionality and probably MHL functionality.
Also all Samsung drivers will be lost that mean lots of work for developers to get camera working right, bluetooth, wifi working right.
By the time ASOP which is actually usable comes out, it will be time for next generation hardware.
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that's a good point
i hope samsung will release the drivers
I'd also much rather have an AOSP build, as I just don't like any of the custom overlays, never mind the included bloat- and crapware. Heck, if I had anything to say Android phones would ship without an OS and there'd be a ton (metric, of course) of distribution to choose from.
And no, we're not paying a premium for these "features", since one cannot buy the same (or even similar) hardware without them, for less.
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I'd also much rather have an AOSP build, as I just don't like any of the custom overlays, never mind the included bloat- and crapware. Heck, if I had anything to say Android phones would ship without an OS and there'd be a ton (metric, of course) of distribution to choose from.
And no, we're not paying a premium for these "features", since one cannot buy the same (or even similar) hardware without them, for less.
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But then that would require some standardization. Or every phone maker will have to issue set of drivers that users will have to bake themselves into the rom before flashing the same.
I dont think phone industry is or will be ready for that any time soon.
And you are paying for everything that comes on phone whether you like it or not. Everything costs something and it comes out of your pocket (or Samsung on some parts for superiority claims ).
AOSP usually rolls out faster for HTC phones (most of which share same DNA inside ) or sister devices of Google devices as its much easier.
Expecting AOSP for something as heavily modified as Galaxy S range quickly is unrealistic.
If your beef is against just TWUI launcher, its relatively easy to roll back to stock android launcher by just defaulting to stock android home (easy to do from Manage Applications ).
Other than the launcher (which can be changed in seconds), TouchWiz is awesome.
I used CM7 for about an hour before I sorely missed the Samsung Contacts, Camera, Calculator, Dialer and Calendar.
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MikeyMike01 said:
Other than the launcher (which can be changed in seconds), TouchWiz is awesome.
I used CM7 for about an hour before I sorely missed the Samsung Contacts, Camera, Calculator, Dialer and Calendar.
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I have no objection to touchwiz myself, except for one thing: I get REALLY excited by the innovations Google brings with each new version of Android. Owning the nexus 1 was/is amazing from that perspective. Every new, brilliant feature, is instantly yours.
Having said that, I like some of the new things Samsung are doing with their skin. I like the gyroscope actions and the resizeable widgets.
I guess what I want is a Nexus S2
I'm going to wait until after Google I/O to see if rumours of a new Nexus surface. If not, it'll be the Galaxy S2 for me. It is a beautiful device.
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I have no objection to touchwiz myself, except for one thing: I get REALLY excited by the innovations Google brings with each new version of Android. Owning the nexus 1 was/is amazing from that perspective. Every new, brilliant feature, is instantly yours.
Having said that, I like some of the new things Samsung are doing with their skin. I like the gyroscope actions and the resizeable widgets.
I guess what I want is a Nexus S2
I'm going to wait until after Google I/O to see if rumours of a new Nexus surface. If not, it'll be the Galaxy S2 for me. It is a beautiful device.
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Even if the phone runs stock Android, you're still not guaranteed updates.
Honestly the whole update thing is a mess anyway.
Samsung provided Gingerbread for the i9000 already, so they have a good track record on updates.
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Other than the launcher (which can be changed in seconds), TouchWiz is awesome.
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Well, to each his own. But that's what I like about Android - choice. There's something for everyone.
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Even if the phone runs stock Android, you're still not guaranteed updates.
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That's true. The only thing stock does in that respect is make updates a little easier.
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Samsung provided Gingerbread for the i9000 already, so they have a good track record on updates.
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You're right about the GB update, even though it was pulled again, but their track record is still pretty bad. Let's all hope it isn't just a fluke.
Bottom line is that most phone vendors care about selling new hardware, for them, updates are a mixed blessing. Too few and nobody will buy their current phones, too many and nobody will want to buy the new model.
Samsung "TouchWiz" Android had been optimized for S5PC110 (Hummingbird), not because of UI. They optimized for their own processor and many of the optimization are not in AOSP branch.
CyanogenMOD has been optimizing own version of Android for all devices. AOSP is like bare minimum for devices like Nexus S / Nexus One / HTC Dream. We may have some of the Samsung optimized stuff due to Gingerbread. I wouldn't go back to AOSP because of the bare minimum. I would go for CyanogenMOD rather than AOSP because it has been optimized for all CPUs like Cortex A8/A9/ARM11.
First yayayyyyyyyyyy now to read the OP
Haha you beat isaint
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First yayayyyyyyyyyy now to read the OP
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LoL
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Isn't this something the general public already knows? Sounding kinda drunk there noobnl.... nevertheless, you are/were a great dev and deserve all my respect.
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Isn't this something the general public already knows? Sounding kinda drunk there noobnl.... nevertheless, you are/were a great dev and deserve all my respect.
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I am saying Samsung TouchWiz is not just a UI, it contain some of the most optimized version of android for Hummingbird Cpu.
So TW is not THAT bad after all?
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So TW is not THAT bad after all?
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Guess not. I always liked tw, but this makes it even better.
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I gotta look into this further, TW optimized mmmmmmmm...
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Samsung "TouchWiz" Android had been optimized for S5PC110 (Hummingbird), not because of UI. They optimized for their own processor and many of the optimization are not in AOSP branch.
CyanogenMOD has been optimizing own version of Android for all devices. AOSP is like bare minimum for devices like Nexus S / Nexus One / HTC Dream. We may have some of the Samsung optimized stuff due to Gingerbread. I wouldn't go back to AOSP because of the bare minimum. I would go for CyanogenMOD rather than AOSP because it has been optimized for all CPUs like Cortex A8/A9/ARM11.
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Quit the talking and start coding then, help the other devs get CM done and you may (and only then) vindicate yourself.
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Quit the talking and start coding then, help the other devs get CM done and you may (and only then) vindicate yourself.
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Hes gunna do whatever the hell he wants do and i doubt hes gunna do that
Well, I'm still using it. And I think my tastes overall pretty good.
I like trying new themes and apps, but Android is decent without much tinkering and TouchWiz may be around the right level. I have owned my Epic since last November and if I didn't like the UI I would have tried another by now.
That's not to say I never will, but Samsung didn't foul up at least. I'll be surprised if Gingerbread TouchWiz is noticeably different, although I am intrigued by v4.0 on the SGS 2, since it's been highly praised and the videos are interesting.
you all realize everyone who has an epic is using touchwiz right?? unless you are on CM, or MIUI or some other rare AOSP port instance... its more than just a launcher.. its the entire framework... and thats what noobnl is getting at..
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you all realize everyone who has an epic is using touchwiz right?? unless you are on CM, or MIUI or some other rare AOSP port instance... its more than just a launcher.. its the entire framework... and thats what noobnl is getting at..
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So a launcher you get from the Market which changes the theme of your phone is nothing but an overlay, or what? I can disable TW in app controls. I used the plain Android launcher after clearing the default and decided I liked TW enough to go back to it. At least, I tried it in Eclair. If that option is missing from Froyo or later versions, that's news to me.
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So a launcher you get from the Market which changes the theme of your phone is nothing but an overlay, or what? I can disable TW in app controls. I used the plain Android launcher after clearing the default and decided I liked TW enough to go back to it. At least, I tried it in Eclair. If that option is missing from Froyo or later versions, that's news to me.
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TWLauncher.apk is just the Touchwiz based launcher... your phone is still using the touchwiz framework and there isn't anything you can do to get rid of that short fo flashing MIUI CM7 or AOSP, which are all only semi functioning......
adelmundo said:
So TW is not THAT bad after all?
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He's not referring to the UI, launcher, widgets, ect. TouchWiz is Samsung's UI, just like HTC has Sense. He speaking to the optimizations Samsung makes to Android to in order to take advantage of the proprietary hardware. You'll notice this right away if you use the Nexus S. No codec support, the camera is a step down from the Epic (at least software wise) and it doesn't pull the same frames per sec the Epic can. Samsung does work some magic with the Galaxy S phones. If you don't believe that then play with a Nexus S and you'll see many of the advantages that the Epic has over the Nexus S.......
Think of it the same way you would a computer. Most run windows but OEM's tend to optimize or customize the windows installation to take advantage of the their specific hardware.
Nice post Noobnl
chris41g said:
TWLauncher.apk is just the Touchwiz based launcher... your phone is still using the touchwiz framework and there isn't anything you can do to get rid of that short fo flashing MIUI CM7 or AOSP, which are all only semi functioning......
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I see. So (let me understand and correct if necessary) noobnl's original post is to let us know that we basically are going to have particularly good code for TW-sourced ROMs in Android 2.3 due to better hardware optimization?
This makes sense in light of Samsung making Google's latest flagship phone, I guess.
DroidApprentice said:
I see. So (let me understand and correct if necessary) noobnl's original post is to let us know that we basically are going to have particularly good code for TW-sourced ROMs in Android 2.3 due to better hardware optimization?
This makes sense in light of Samsung making Google's latest flagship phone, I guess.
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TouchWiz is a blessing and a curse. I detest the UI and that fact that it makes development more difficult. However, Sammy's version of Android is optimized for the Galaxy S hardware, drivers, ect. Although the same could probably be said about most devices. OEM's will generally optimize their versions of any OS to take advantage of their own hardware.
DroidApprentice said:
I see. So (let me understand and correct if necessary) noobnl's original post is to let us know that we basically are going to have particularly good code for TW-sourced ROMs in Android 2.3 due to better hardware optimization?
This makes sense in light of Samsung making Google's latest flagship phone, I guess.
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He's basically saying that AOSP is like when you just install Windows and its using the generic Windows GPU driver and its all wonky and just scrolling a web page is glitchy, but it works with literally every video card in existence. Touchwiz is like installing the newest Nvidia or ATI driver so that the OS knows exactly what hardware you have and how to utilize it, so the experience is as optimized as it can be. Cyanogenmod is somewhere inbetween those two points.
I thought this was common knowledge.
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Hey guys,
I know this is a very stupid question anyone would ask, but I was wondering if the Nexus 10 can actually be backported, not saying anyone would want it to be.
For example, Gingerbread on the Nexus 10 would look very cool and then Honeycomb could be built using bits and pieces and themes.
Also, would the kernel be an issue when backporting? lol. Just a cool question to me.
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Pretty much impossible unless you want to pay Google to backport the N10 binaries.
add12364 said:
Hey guys,
I know this is a very stupid question anyone would ask, but I was wondering if the Nexus 10 can actually be backported, not saying anyone would want it to be.
For example, Gingerbread on the Nexus 10 would look very cool and then Honeycomb could be built using bits and pieces and themes.
Also, would the kernel be an issue when backporting? lol. Just a cool question to me.
add12364
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Sure, its possible, we just need some full time software engineers to spend a month doing it
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Technically, yes. The question is, who would want to waste a countless amount of time (we're talking many months here) on such an endeavor?
Jotokun said:
Technically, yes. The question is, who would want to waste a countless amount of time (we're talking many months here) on such an endeavor?
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I find that the honeycomb ui is cooler than the ICS/jb ui. Would be cool if someone would try, I'm not smart enough to do myself. Also, I wonder if the performance would be really good on gingerbread.
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I find that the honeycomb ui is cooler than the ICS/jb ui. Would be cool if someone would try, I'm not smart enough to do myself. Also, I wonder if the performance would be really good on gingerbread.
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As the owner of a phone on Gingerbread, I can answer you without a shred of reasonable doubt. No. No it wouldn't.
Seriously though, the lack of threaded optimization on GB would make the N10 a snail. Plus tablets on GB sucked. I've used an HTC Flyer on Gingerbread 2.3.3. Those were dark times.....:crying:
The newest Android has gotten significantly more optimized and smoother. Although the old OS, Gingerbread as you mentioned, would take less memory it would still run a lot slower.