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Okay I have been on this forum for a few months now and I still consider my self a noob it seems as though that magical search feature that everyone demands us noobs use is not too noob friendly and to prove this I documented my frustration when trying to get this nandroid thingy to work.
Supposed noob thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3816278&postcount=3
EDIT: I am 99.9% sure this will work with a PVT board. I am not sure about DVT BUT if you are willing to risk bricking your G1 to find out, that would be great Reboot in fastboot and make sure it says "DREA100 PVT"
First of all what the hell is a PVT board? And what the hell is fastboot??? UHh wait I have to do another search on this stupid PVT board and this stupid fastboot. Searching…..
Searched for fastboot here is what came up:
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=000825...boot+&sa=Search&cof=FORID:0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
After clicking several search results there is not one single post that defines exactly what fastboot is or specifically what it does.
Searching for PVT Board……
And the results were: http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&...G=Search&cx=000825531964825142534:cqr2sjirilw
Not one single related post that clearly states what a PVT Board really is. Okay that’s out the window, maybe I can figure it out by reading how people are talking about it. Fun stuff. Unable to decypther what the hell people are talking about, NEXT search!
Okay now I want to find out what the hell a nandroid backup is.
Searching Nandroid…
Wow First success!! First result takes me to this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=459830
Oh no not again more words to search!!
Okay I see two strange words I do not know Busybox (wtf?) and adbd.
Searching Busybox….
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=000825...sybox&sa=Search&cof=FORID:0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Results are not clear, just links me to some posts that have some RC30 release (is the RC30 busybox? That is still not clear. Other results refer to it as some kind of back up tool, I thought the nandroid was a backup tool? SO that goes out the door Next search adbd….
Searching adbd..... Nothing that directly defines what exactly adbd is, all I got was people talking about it but never directly referencing exactly what it is ( ex: “need some questions answered about adbd and debuggerd Dream android development.” Or “restarting adbd as root”) Maybe it stands for a dumb big day? God knows.
Okay back to the original Nandroid post because its really important that a noob does a back up just incase right?………
I decided to go ahead and proceed without knowing what those two words were (of course I’ll get yelled at by everyone for not searching if I make a post asking what they meant so no point in posting).
Oh this is probably my favorite part of the post!!!
LOL the easy part!!!-* How to use this (the easy part)
And below it is this sentence:
“Just boot your phone in recovery mode with the correct recovery.img (one that has adb shell as root + busybox installed with symlinks to tar, md5sum etc) and connect it to your pc/laptop/server. Then run the nandroid.sh script. If something is wrong or missing, it will tell you. “
So lets break down this sentince (as a noob) line by line.
1st line: Just boot your phone in recovery mode with the correct recovery.img
Recovery mode? I think that is the pressing of the HOME+END key or is it the END+CAM keys? Which do you mean????? My guess is the HOME+END.
2nd line: (one that has adb shell as root + busybox installed with symlinks to tar, md5sum etc) WOA dude what planet you on?!! This entire line makes no freakin sense to me. And I do not think searching will help us there. “one that has adb shell as root” WTF is the one that has adb shell???? And wtf is adb??? And symlinks to tar? Is that encrypted language for his secret lover to find him? Geez how is anyone supposed to learn by searching stuff like this?? Okay at this point im just about to give up on this whole damn back up and just live without it, next line….
3rd line: Then run the nandroid.sh script. If something is wrong or missing, it will tell you.
Umm HOW? How do I run the nandroid.sh script and on WHAT operating system? Mac, Windows, Linux??? The only thing wrong or missing is proper Instructions and good English course!!!
If you are going to post a tutorial please don’t assume that everyone knows what your talking about and skip over steps that you think are elementary when in-fact you will discover that sometimes not everyone knows what you are talking about.
BTW I found this tutorial here (where supposedly 95% of my questions are answered….. umm sure): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=519523
Isnt this article supposedly posted to be in the pre-reading material before a noob posts questions?
This is not the only article that I found not to be noob friendly, in-fact I found very little articles that were noob friendly, here is yet another thread that I found to be rediculy confusing: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=512453
When I first went to this thread (before knowing what WIPE meant) I was like WTF is this guy crazy. Then he goes on to talk about some crazy loop (which he does not state how or where you get this mysterious loop) then he goes and pasts some code that god knows where the hell your supposed to paste it, on the phone in the command prompt or is it only in the mac????
There are soo many more threads like the ones above. It is no wonder why noobs post the same questions over and over again, its because people assume that everyone else knows what their talking about and skip what they think are useless 2 or 3 steps, well I got news for you buddy, those silly 2 or 3 steps are probably the most important steps to beginner. I am still fairly new to this forum and still am having trouble figuring out what people are talking about. I just wish that there were some kind of rules or guidelines when writing instructions or how-to guides. The ONLY guide on this entire forum that I found to be clearly written and total noob proof is this thread here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502010 Everyone should take a few pointers from this person that wrote that thread, although he never stated the purpose of it at the start but that’s minor.
Sorry if I offended anyone but this is the ugly truth for us noobs, it really is hard when your first starting out and some one bashes you for asking a question that’s been asked before or the noob didn’t search. Well the search feature is not exactly that great and you almost always do not find the answer to that one noob question. And yes I am very grateful for all these great hacks and I am just posting this just out of frustration from having to constantly search and after having spent hours searching and searching. I am almost certain that I am not the only noob with this problem.
My next journey is Themes my G1 phone (God help me).
Thanks,
Abe
well the essential problem is that there will always be more noobs than not...no matter how many tutorials and guides that are posted it still will not be enough for some noobs...i did not know what i was doing myself but you first you have to understand what you are reading. so after a while after reading and searching the internet i understand what i am doing and am continuing to learn...this place was not meant to be a place for exacting directions and tutorials (ala development for Dummies)...
And i do not mean anything as an insult...i am just trying to explain that this is not an organized affair with a specific hierarchy, it is a community of developers experimenting and passing that knowledge off to others in the community.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=519523
that link is from the first or second thread on the development section...reading through those will give you a lot of the answers your looking for....
and to be honest if you do not have a clue as to what the stuff your reading is then research the internet...otherwise you definitely should not attempt any of this stuff.
All I will say Is I managed to root my phone by reading multiple threads.
I actually started reading threads before I got my phone . It was confusing but thats why I kept reading . If i didnt understand something I would read over and over again. As far as finding out what busybox was I used regular old google search for that . Heres what i found based on that search.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusyBox.
I have learned to not soley rely on the in forum search because it doesnt always seem that helpful. I think overall what the vets what is for the "noobs" to help themselves first before having someone hold their hand.
It is pretty ironic that you bought a phone featuring Google search and now want to hack it, and instead of taking time to actually learn searching techniques you write a page long rant on your incapability to do some simple research. If you cannot figure out what some of these basic terms mean, then you shouldn't be hacking your phone in the first place.
Also, what in the hell are you talking about? You say that we are asking you to search first, hello? You only have ONE post in our community, you haven't asked us ANYTHING.
Honestly, this forum is already very organized. Granted, you are a noob, but really, it isn't all that difficult. If there is something you just really can't figure out, ask it now, I would be happy to answer it for you.
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It is pretty ironic that you bought a phone featuring Google search and now want to hack it, and instead of taking time to actually learn searching techniques you write a page long rant on your incapability to do some simple research. If you cannot figure out what some of these basic terms mean, then you shouldn't be hacking your phone in the first place.
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Take it easy, man. What's basic for one person may be quantum theory for another. Everyone isn't the same-we all perceive and learn differently. The noobs are tired of senior members telling them to search, and the senior members are tired of noobs asking redundant questions.
Also, what in the hell are you talking about? You say that we are asking you to search first, hello? You only have ONE post in our community, you haven't asked us ANYTHING.
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I think he means other noobs have been told to search when asking a question...
Anyway, OP:
the forums are huge and contain a boatload of information. If you don't understand a tutorial or certain terms, ASK. PM the OP of the tutorial or someone in the thread that sounds like they know what they are saying. Follow devs on twitter, and read extensively. Get involved.
You have to understand that there have been hundreds of noobs that only come here to ask "OMG HOW DO I ROOT??" without wanting to understand ANY underlying details. They get caught in a bootloop, get errors, or brick their phone because they don't follow directions and they want to hold devs responsible.
These people want the easy way out, so don't be surprised if senior members and devs here are hesitant in replying to a thread that has been started countless times before. Also, every one here has a life (almost everyone ), so they may not always be available 24/7 to answer unimportant (to them) questions.
I've been with this forum for little over a year now and search function may not be the best but does help a lot. I've started out with the dash, mda, tilt and now the g1. i've just been recently been posting because everything everyone does here is great. I still consider myself a noob and still learning. Ranting like this doesn't really help, spoon feeding noobs gets tiresome and i can see why the seniors gets frustrated. All you need is the patients to read thru the posts and not get blown away with all the lingo and information overload that gets yourself more confused.
This is a community built by the community no one expects to get payed for helping out, so be thankful for what this forum bring. [/rant]
I don't see whats hard about this forum.
I just followed the guides and I was set.
This is a DEVELOPER forum, so I expect it will be a little difficult to use
You don't take physics before taking elementary school math.
That's the way I look at.
But I partially share your thoughts.
I am the first to agree that a search button or Google are your best friends.
What makes a successful search, though, is your choice or keywords or phrases. And I've run into those times that had I known the proper combination of terms to use (one's that would weed-out the bizillion of results that don't relate), I would have easily found the proper answer. I've gotten buried in search results that lead to endless threads only to find out that the Google search I did for "Android Bluetooth Cupcake" might have been better had I narrowed it further with "Android Bluetooth +"File Transfer" +application". That was probably a poor example, but you know what I mean. Searching for broad and common terms usually turns up useless results, we give up in disgust, and that's when some of the redundant posts get made. I also continue to have trouble decided whether a post belongs in the "Dream" forum or the developer forum. And we won't even go into whether they belong in the developer forum, app forum or theme forum. To me, they all cross similar boundaries at times.
There are lots of other forums that are intended for end-users with technical questions. They break things down in easier to understand terms (at least for me). Most of them link to XDA for the downloads, but they offer support on their own forums. I frequent XDA the most, but I still haunt the ubber-newbie sites as well. I still learn from them.
One last thing... It's been said that the internet is akind to the wild, wild west. Forums and mailing lists are usually the worst. If there wasn't some type of moderation/control over XDA, there would be telling how deep we would have to wade to find one meaningful post. I'm as guilty as the next person of wanting immediate answers when I think I've ruined a $400 phone. Luckily, I think the rescue tutorials here are fairly good at outlining the needed steps. No, they may not explain what's happening with each step along the way... but they do give you the necessary steps to get you out a bind. If you'll remain calm, follow the steps, not expect your hand to be held during the process, and only resort to asking for help when all else fails, you'll probably get your phone working the way you want it AND learn along the way. It's the equivalent of junior high vs a college or university. Once you make a conscious choice to go beyond what's required, you're expected to do a lot of the work yourself without the teacher constantly having to offer a refresher course on the basics.
Just my opinion.
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go to everythinghd2.blogspot.com it has a guide to installing android on your hd2 leo
so do the stickies on these boards.
Another non searcher/reader to add to the masses, sigh........
This gets at me too, but lets not flame.
and let this thread die its death now
It's a nice straight and to the point guide. The guides here are a bit complex and cover a lot of issues that may not apply to everyone.
OP, I think you need to include the possibility of flashing a new phone ROM besides just the radio. Froyo had some glitches when using a stock tmous rom, I had to flash to chuckyrom for instance. You should mention this, because there is a 90% certainty users will need to use one of the available roms out there.
Other than that, a think his guide has merit. The guides on here are a bit daunting to look at, especially with all the bold capitalized letters with silly character symbols and different fonts trying to get your attention, it's almost more distracting than just using plain text. But thats another story.
I think there needs to be more simplistic guides like this that let users try a predefined series of steps first for quick and easy installation, then if that doesnt work you can go through all the work of learning what you're doing and getting in-depth in the forums.
I searched this site for guides and that when I was looking for a way to get android on my hd2, but i found i'd be jumping from site to site trying to figure out how to do steps as they all assume you have experience with the hd2, so i thought i'd try making a simple step by step guide with a little more detail
If you can't figure out how to put android on this phone using XDA, then you shouldn't be using android on your handset.
That said, if you are going to use information from xda developers I hope you give proper credit.
Just wanted to let OP know that I just used his guide today after a buddy of mine bought an HD2 (after seeing me run android on my own hehe). I had kinda forgotten exactly the steps and weblinks with proper builds to get er done, and while Im sure I would have figured it out again quickly, having it all in one tight little place with simple to read & to the point instructions helped a lot.
Thanks again op!
I was going to rant but I decided not to. Instead I would like to say that I hope proper credit is given where credit is due.
Xda is home to the android to hd2 port!!!!!
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I was going to rant but I decided not to. Instead I would like to say that I hope proper credit is given where credit is due.
Xda is home to the android to hd2 port!!!!!
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Hear Hear!!
Great But the Guy is Right!
Simple and step by step to the point!(thats how instructions to do something should be written, now I'm no expert but Half the time I cant even find the download links or they don't work. But basically Its a problem of...(fill in the blank), laziness perhaps lack of caring and or attention to details?? in my opinion. It may take a couple more sentences to get the exact point across but I personally think most every tutorial should be written as if for a complete noob. Because I want everyone who possibly can do actually be able to do it just makes sense from a marketing point of view I mean anyone can get into this sight so enough said. But I must admit XDA is always my first choice and usually answers my queries the best!
Link To Tutorial Blog
Hear me out on this one--I think it's a swell idea.
I'm a huge advocate of having very well tagged, chronicled, and accessible information for technical items. Being a novice myself with hacking, theming, flashing, and all the like, I always appreciate it greatly when there are really solid quality tutorials covering exactly what I want to do myself. What is it that the general population of Droid 2 users want? How to root, theme, and flash. Even for tasks as simple as running a one-touch root, some users may be frightened to try it because they're not tech-savvy and think they may load a file to an improper location, press the wrong button with their single touch, etc... Well written tutorials with screenshots make the tech world less daunting for newcomers, and that's something I definitely want to help with!
Being biased to Tumblr since I freaking love the site, I'd like to suggest that a blog be started there. I'll be making a mock-up tonight of the design, or maybe even flat out creating the blog, but the Tumblr theme creation really makes it easy to make your blog look like a fully functioning website. What's perfect about it is that you can make any blog you create into a Group Blog, which is what I propose for this "project." Multiple users are allowed to post and edit posts on the blog, so we wouldn't even have to have a shared account on the site.
I'd like to open this up to serious tutorial writers only! Each tutorial should have a minimum of two screenshots or pictures of your Droid 2 going through important steps for each subject we cover.
I understand wholeheartedly if no one would like to volunteer until they see a tutorial from me first. Once I have the blog up-to-snuff with my own web design standards, I'll dive in to how to root your phone. I might even post a few tutorials for rooting, depending on how many methods I run into.
If you're interested, you can either shoot me an email to allyouhavetolose(at)gmail(dot)com or chat me up on Skype (username: misterivanovich). Don't worry, I totally won't get [fully] naked if we video chat.
Make your way to Droid 2 Development where there are:
Directories on everything Droid 2 related, tutorials, and video tutorials...
And better yet, they are already stickied.
I did find a few nicely done tutorials, but that's just not quite the feel that I'm going for. While those tutorials are informative, they are very technical. If you take a look at Skull One's Overclocking 101 thread on droidforums.net, that's more along the lines of what I want to do (his is WAY more in depth than I care to get with my tutorials though!).
I have the beginnings of the Tumblr page done (which I will link to after I've posted 8+ times here haha), but I haven't finished editing my first tutorial just yet. Really, I'm going to be doing this half as a chronicle of my own learning, because I'm really not well versed with Android customization in any way--I've also been having quite a bit of difficulty getting familiarized with it because of the way that I learn and the way the tutorials are written. For that reason, I'll be writing my own tutorials knowing very well that there has to be at least ONE other person out there that will benefit from it haha. And if I can help one person, then that's kosher with me.
I have updated the first post with a link to the tutorial blog. Although it is incomplete in design and I haven't finished or edited the tutorial I have posted, you can get the general idea for what it is I'm going for. At least I think you can...
Again, anyone who feels like contributing, feel free to shoot me an email or get in touch with me on Skype or via PM here on the board. You are also welcome to give me suggestions for future tutorials, correct me if I've written something incorrectly, etc... All of which will be credited wherever applicable.
Though I appreciate your good intentions, your blog/tutorial thing is... well... time not being put to good use. First of all, there are already tutorials on how to SBF your phone. I would know. I wrote one almost 6 months ago. And there are others out as well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=770224
and/or here:
http://www.kimete.com/sbfrsd.html
I don't see why you are rewriting everything unless there is a need to. Now, if you feel like my tutorial is lacking in quality or quantity, I certainly encourage you to rewrite a guide, write an updated one, or whatever. But what you are doing is recreating stuff that ALREADY exists. Additionally, you didn't even write correct directions to SBF'ing the phone. Not only incorrect, but you have incomplete directions and procedures. In my opinion, your tutorial is incredibly misleading and very inaccurate and will throw a lot of people off.
Well, even if it's not time put to good use for anyone else, I will be benefitting from my own blog. I think it will help me to understand things a bit more if I'm writing it all--sort of like how when you lead a study session, you end up being super refreshed on the topic yourself.
I'm not opposed to, with proper permission and ample credit given where due, just following other tutorials that have already been written and showing screen shots of the process that I follow as outlined by someone else. Some tutorials have no real need to be rewritten, but do lack a visual element in my opinion. I almost want to be able to know what I have to do without even reading the post and looking at the pictures (almost... I realize that's a stupid goal to take literally).
I'll check out your guide for flashing an SBF and figure out what is so terrible and misleading about mine, then I'll fix it haha. I'm not looking to replace any of the tutorials that anyone else has already done--I simply want a super compiled and organized list of them, if only for my own use. But I'm pretty sure that at least one more person out there in the world, somewhere, may eventually one day sort of be happy that I did it. :]
The reason why your tutorial is so misleading is because
1. You have no real knowledge of the topic at hand.
and 2. Because of number 1, your work is incomplete, and not
I have no problem with you taking my tutorial here on XDA and making edits and additions. Add pictures, or make additional notes, or what not. Of course, give credit where due.
But whatever you do, 1. Don't rewrite things that already exist, and 2. know what you are writing about before you write about it. My tutorial has gone through countless revisions. Additions, subtractions, rewording, simplifying the process for the end-user, troubleshooting of errors. EVERYTHING!
In all honesty, if you want to contribute, take my work, run through it on your own phone, and make additions and edits to that.
Well, I wouldn't say I don't know anything about the topic. I DID already flash a SBF to my phone before I wrote the guide, I just didn't read up more than I had to on the topic--I found out how to use RSD Lite, found the .sbf file, knew I would want to make backups first, then dove right into it. I can't say that I agree with you that my guide is really missing much as a general outline for flashing an SBF, but like I said in one of my posts already, I haven't even finished that tutorial yet! I just posted a link to it so that if anyone were interested in helping me compile it all on to the tumblr, they could see what the blog looked like and a very, very general idea of what a post would look like.
I'll certainly be going back to edit that tutorial plenty. That is, after I finish it in the first place.
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Well, I wouldn't say I don't know anything about the topic. I DID already flash a SBF to my phone before I wrote the guide, I just didn't read up more than I had to on the topic--I found out how to use RSD Lite, found the .sbf file, knew I would want to make backups first, then dove right into it. I can't say that I agree with you that my guide is really missing much as a general outline for flashing an SBF, but like I said in one of my posts already, I haven't even finished that tutorial yet! I just posted a link to it so that if anyone were interested in helping me compile it all on to the tumblr, they could see what the blog looked like and a very, very general idea of what a post would look like.
I'll certainly be going back to edit that tutorial plenty. That is, after I finish it in the first place.
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I believe what the point here is rather than redo tutorials that have already been done, why not look into something new.
You know how if you read someone's phone number to yourself, then try to dial it the next day, you forget it entirely--but if you had written down the phone number, your chances of remembering it are significantly better?
It's kinda like that. Like I said, this is for my own benefit, I was just opening it up to the community to put all of the Droid 2 tutorials in one common space.
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You know how if you read someone's phone number to yourself, then try to dial it the next day, you forget it entirely--but if you had written down the phone number, your chances of remembering it are significantly better?
It's kinda like that. Like I said, this is for my own benefit, I was just opening it up to the community to put all of the Droid 2 tutorials in one common space.
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Do as you desire, however I was shedding light on DarkOnion's mindset as I see it.
I did my first post to day after many hours reading about how to root.
I made it with out help,but I was not confident.
I got a privat message Where someone aked how I did it. I have to say " Don't ask me".
The reason is that there seem to be a lot of traps along the way.
I read about one metod and started that,but then there was a warning and another suggestion. Then I went for the next one and again another suggestion.
I gave up and just picked the one with largest tread .
The things I'm wondering about are . Is there a sticky about how to step by step do it ,or do everybody need to read a lot and still be unsure about whitch way to go for?
Normally one way is better.
Is it not possible to concentrate it around one way?
There are lots of treads about how to do it but I'm confused about the warnings " if yod did it that way you can't use this file ,but need to look around for a file that you can use"
I did put in a new kernel and want to try a complete Rom,but I don't know if I can use a kk9 rom for my phone. There was a warning about use CF ready or made Rom ??
Is there,or if not, why is there not a sticky about how to tweak the easiest and most widely used way for beginners in this forum?
Then more people dear to start. More people is more money to those who make the files.
If there are many ways and conflicts,maybe a link to the compatible way can be posted together with the rom,kernel or what type of file that's posted.
Please correct me if I'm the only one that feels that there are to many choices for nearly the same thing.
Maybe I'm spoiled from the way the Norwegian apple forum was build for beginners to professionals.
Or maybe it's not a standard for whats the best way.
+1 on this!!
Yeah after paying what I paid and probably would have to deal with a nightmare of a return I'm not about to root or anything until its been run through it's paces a million times. Actually since there don't seem to be any solid ROMS yet I have not desire to anyway.
Also I rooted and unrooted my ATT Galaxy S2 a bunch of times and it ended up not able to connect voice calls for some reason. Had to return it. Not sure if it was related but I don't want to risk it with the Note.
I used to enjoy the video's explaining the Jailbreaking process from start to finish(iPhone). Has anyone seen a video guide for rooting/Roms? The only experience I have with Rom flashing is from the Windows mobile days, where as easy as jailbreaking(easier infact)
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Is there a sticky about how to step by step do it ,or do everybody need to read a lot and still be unsure about whitch way to go for?
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Hi there!
I found it here on XDA: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1371070
Within it is a (Great) review of the Note. It is IMO worth to read it through, although it is very long.
Also, the same guys at AndroidNZ made a step by step Rooting guide, with a video (I did not watch it yet, because of corp. firewall ) You can find that here: http://www.androidnz.net/2011/11/at-your-own-risk-how-to-root-your.html
Happy rooting!
i have rooted my phone so how can i install rom ... Gnote cant use rom manager and it is such pain
Yes it can. I haven't done it myself yet, but search through a couple of threads and around 293 posts, and you'll find it
Ok, just kidding. Here's the link (scroll down to the bottom of the first post) :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1329360
BazookaAce said:
Yes it can. I haven't done it myself yet, but search through a couple of threads and around 293 posts, and you'll find it
Ok, just kidding. Here's the link (scroll down to the bottom of the first post) :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1329360
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we need to request this post to be stick so that it makes easy for newbie like me
Interested in re-rooting my KF. Did it a week or so after I first got it back in November, and having nothing of real note (for me), let the update unroot it.
Looking at things now, it's virtually impossible to determine (if you haven't kept up on a daily basis), exactly what is going on now. Many utilities claiming to root, make it easy to root, re-flash, recover, etc.
Could someone (or several someones) please put together a sticky or series of stickies that is kept up-to-date (and NOT allow posting to, so it is simply ONE post that is updated, and if there is some reason to have ancient history, the most recent info is at the TOP of that ONE post) that would cover the following:
What utility to use to root the KF
What utility to use for recovery, etc. (I assume TWRP)
What each of these utilities does, has, etc. (some seem to have more bundled in them, and at this stage, I can't tell who's got what bundled that does what and more importantly, WHY I want to use utility A over utility B)
Is there one utility that "has it all" and makes it pretty easy and goof-proof?
Updated status and ETA of CM9 or other Android 4.x ROM for the KF (Yes, I know the devs have said "don't bug me", but it's been quite a while now, and we still don't seem to have HWA for video on CM9/etc. So, a "rough" ETA? I'm a developer too, so I know these things aren't always exact, but are we a week/month/3 months/year/when pigs fly away from potentially having ALL of the HW supported on the KF with CM9? At least I can go away for a while, come back at some time when the ETA is supposed to be reached, and do a check)
While Amazon VOD was important to me at the beginning, I've been exclusively using Netflix, so I'm not sure if having the Amazon video disabled due to rooting is an issue to me anymore. But HWA is an issue for watching videos on Netflix or over my DLNA server at home.
The stickies need to be updated by the authors - NOT a reply to the thread the author of the utility started. This stuff is simply too time-consuming to wander through, and attempt to wonder if "idiot A" bricked his KF due to a bug in the utility, didn't follow instructions, or whatever 27 posts later. I'm looking for a direct "here's the utility, here's the instructions, here's why you want this over this" kind of thing.
Here's my 2 cents, take them for what they are worth.
In my opinion, Kindle Fire Utility is sort of the one stop shop for all things root/recovery/etc. and it has TWRP built in. It is super easy to use in my opinion and you can get burritoroot, firefirefire bootloader and TWRP all at one time.
Credit to vashypooh on a job well done.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1399889
Hashcode and csholmq have been working with serial output, which probably offers the best chance of getting HWA working, etc.
csholmq issued and upate, but no ETA yesterday.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1471813
+1 to Yuma75.
I rooted with BurritoRoot, heavily modded the stock ROM, which was my daily for several weeks. I then used gscript to install CWM and FireFireFire and then installed Kang ICS ROM.
But for someone just starting out, KFU seems to be the way to go. I would have used it to install recovery, etc., but for user error (that is, my own). That's my two cents.
All of the developers come together to share their tricks, techniques and ROMs, often without compensation, and yet you think this "stuff is simply too time-consuming to wander through?"
If you don't have time to look through discussions, why are you on a forum?
There are already stickies and great utility threads, but if they aren't up to snuff, I think you should make one.
UrticantOwl said:
All of the developers come together to share their tricks, techniques and ROMs, often without compensation, and yet you think this "stuff is simply too time-consuming to wander through?"
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No, I don't. What other site offers tools to root KF? None I'm aware of. If all I want to do is root the device....
Also - a dev posts "hey I've just got X and released it, here's the link", etc. Then I have 40-50 PAGES (not posts) of follow up. Some with problems, some just going "Ata boy!". Are there kernels of wisdom in there? Probably. But to follow through and separate the wheat from the chaff takes a LOT of time.
I've rooted before using KFU. Basically a 5 minute process. Why should I read pages of posts (not all of them even with the original post of the utility, etc.), to find out what I need? Post it in one location. Keep it up to date (things like, "oh, I forgot to upload the correct script, updated now" - updated in the original link in the original post? Updated at the web site shown in the original post? Updated in a following post somewhere?
Many of the "first posts" with links now point to dead download links. One would presume it is because the dev uploaded to something like RapidShare or the erstwhile MegaUpload, and either the link expired, or the dev killed it because there's a newer version. Do I really need to wade through dozens of posts to find the most recent D/L URL?
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If you don't have time to look through discussions, why are you on a forum?
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In this particular case? To get a utility to root a KF. I have no desire to develop on the platform, I've been developing on a great number of platforms for nearly 40 years, and have gotten more into the "I want it to work and use it", rather than "I love the struggle and fight to make something happen". So, I peruse the forum once every 3-4 weeks to see where things are - and without spending 3-4 hours perusing posts, questions, etc. it is not really possible. Sorry, I used to be one of those guys who would sit up for 2-3 days straight pulling things apart, coding in assembler, making "things dance". These days, I simply don't have the time - but would like to enjoy the fruits of a device that might be more open. Or might not. As I said before, I rooted within a week after getting the KF, using KFU. Played with it, and at the time, simply didn't see a point (other than saying "I did it"). So I let it die out. I'd very much like to try out Android 4.x to see if there's anything more - or I just leave it alone.
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There are already stickies and great utility threads, but if they aren't up to snuff, I think you should make one.
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Having been on forae for many, many years, and having worked with, made my own notes and posts regarding Linux since 1995 or so - sorry (and a great many other topics/forae). I've found in that time that the dev, or those working most closely with the dev are the only ones qualified with enough knowledge of not only what a utility does, but the thought and design behind it. Someone else attempting to step in, will simply "step in it" most of the time.
If the dev doesn't have documentation skills (and most devs don't), I'd encourage the dev to work with someone to help document and write up what their x does. I would presume that the dev has a desire for some praise and accolade for their efforts (otherwise why would they make their work public). By posting a sticky that is up-to-date and current, with correct (or corrected info), they help many others to partake of their works, even if the dev does not have their own web site (and I presume many don't since many don't point to their own website, but post a link to some file sharing service from within a post here).
I wasn't able to use KFU because I got the unsigned driver error and KFU wouldn't run correctly on my PC. But I have heard that it is a very good tool for someone that isn't good with adb.
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No, I don't. What other site offers tools to root KF? None I'm aware of. If all I want to do is root the device....
Also - a dev posts "hey I've just got X and released it, here's the link", etc. Then I have 40-50 PAGES (not posts) of follow up. Some with problems, some just going "Ata boy!". Are there kernels of wisdom in there? Probably. But to follow through and separate the wheat from the chaff takes a LOT of time.
I've rooted before using KFU. Basically a 5 minute process. Why should I read pages of posts (not all of them even with the original post of the utility, etc.), to find out what I need? Post it in one location. Keep it up to date (things like, "oh, I forgot to upload the correct script, updated now" - updated in the original link in the original post? Updated at the web site shown in the original post? Updated in a following post somewhere?
Many of the "first posts" with links now point to dead download links. One would presume it is because the dev uploaded to something like RapidShare or the erstwhile MegaUpload, and either the link expired, or the dev killed it because there's a newer version. Do I really need to wade through dozens of posts to find the most recent D/L URL?
In this particular case? To get a utility to root a KF. I have no desire to develop on the platform, I've been developing on a great number of platforms for nearly 40 years, and have gotten more into the "I want it to work and use it", rather than "I love the struggle and fight to make something happen". So, I peruse the forum once every 3-4 weeks to see where things are - and without spending 3-4 hours perusing posts, questions, etc. it is not really possible. Sorry, I used to be one of those guys who would sit up for 2-3 days straight pulling things apart, coding in assembler, making "things dance". These days, I simply don't have the time - but would like to enjoy the fruits of a device that might be more open. Or might not. As I said before, I rooted within a week after getting the KF, using KFU. Played with it, and at the time, simply didn't see a point (other than saying "I did it"). So I let it die out. I'd very much like to try out Android 4.x to see if there's anything more - or I just leave it alone.
Having been on forae for many, many years, and having worked with, made my own notes and posts regarding Linux since 1995 or so - sorry (and a great many other topics/forae). I've found in that time that the dev, or those working most closely with the dev are the only ones qualified with enough knowledge of not only what a utility does, but the thought and design behind it. Someone else attempting to step in, will simply "step in it" most of the time.
If the dev doesn't have documentation skills (and most devs don't), I'd encourage the dev to work with someone to help document and write up what their x does. I would presume that the dev has a desire for some praise and accolade for their efforts (otherwise why would they make their work public). By posting a sticky that is up-to-date and current, with correct (or corrected info), they help many others to partake of their works, even if the dev does not have their own web site (and I presume many don't since many don't point to their own website, but post a link to some file sharing service from within a post here).
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This isn't the place to go looking for a handout this is a place to read, search, read some more, learn to use a tool properly or risk bricking your device, your piss poor "I don't wanna search I just want it given to me" attitude isn't gonna get you far in these forums.Either suck it up and search to find what you want, or don't it's as simple as that. These devs do this for free, in their spare time and are nice enough to share their work with the rest of us. They do have jobs, families and lives outside of this forum and they aren't here to cater to you needing a handout. Plain and simple. If you even bothered to read to forum rules, rule #1 is SEARCH. If you want a handout I'd suggest going to another forum aside from XDA cause this isn't the place for you :-|
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